Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Margo]

It's arguably possible that Sidney brought it in, or is a carrier. Or, even that Callie has had a latent infection that has surfaced. The vaccine has limited efficacy, and duration, so a weakened immune system could contribute.
Whatever the cause, I hope hat she rallies quickly!
All the best,
Margo
-Original Message- From: Kelley S Sent: Feb 23, 2015 6:10 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats Lance,The "c" in the FVRCP vaccine is calicivirus. It covers calici,Rhinotracheitis,andPanleukopenia. Current recommendations are for the initial series as akitten, then a booster not more often than every 3 years. I'm just tryingto figure out how on earth she could possibly have been exposed.KelleyOn Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Lance wrote:> I see. I mentioned Sidney because he’s the only one who might have met> another cat. Callie is strictly indoors, and the only cat she meets is> Sidney.>> I’m not sure about vaccinations. If that’s a core vaccine, then she> probably had it when she was a kitten. Neither cat has had a recent> vaccination.>> On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Kelley S wrote:>> Lance,>> I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated? I've> only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just> seems odd they would be exposed to it. I wonder if it can lie dormant and> surface later?>> In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine. We> had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100%> recovery.>> Kelley>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance wrote:>>> Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been>> fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched.>>>> Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that.>>>>> ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org>>

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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Kelley S]

Marsha,

I don't think ANY vaccine can possibly hope to cover all the various
strains of anything.  I just find it so odd that a mature cat would all of
a sudden come down with calici, as their immune systems, absent FELV, are
quite well developed after a year of age.  I'm not a vet and am not trying
to doubt their diagnosis.  Just trying to figure it out.

Kelley

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Marsha  wrote:

> Sounds like a good plan.
>
>
> On 2/23/2015 4:57 PM, Lance wrote:
>
>> I would prefer buprenex (the compounded liquid version if possible) or
>> tramadol. We may have some tramadol here. I don’t think we’re going to give
>> Sidney anything tonight, but I’ve put the metacam somewhere that will
>> require deliberate consideration rather than “Oh, there’s that thing we
>> give to Sidney. I’ll do it now.”
>>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Marsha]

Sounds like a good plan.


On 2/23/2015 4:57 PM, Lance wrote:

I would prefer buprenex (the compounded liquid version if possible) or 
tramadol. We may have some tramadol here. I don’t think we’re going to give 
Sidney anything tonight, but I’ve put the metacam somewhere that will require 
deliberate consideration rather than “Oh, there’s that thing we give to Sidney. 
I’ll do it now.”




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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Marsha]

I found out last year that the vaccine doesn't cover all possible 
strains of calicivirus.  One area vet told of a severe case of it he'd 
seen in a cat that had been vaccinated.


I too, wonder if upper respiratory viruses can lie dormant.  I will 
never know for sure what Harley had in December, but several months 
earlier he had an inflammation in his mouth that went away, possibly 
herpes or calici trying to assert itself.  Or maybe it was something 
else.  But whatever it was manifested when we had a temperature 
inversion that impacted air quality and lasted for something like 10 
days.  No other cat got sick with a URI, not even Harley's FeLV+ 
roommate Brock.  First part of the illness was a very sore throat & 
inflamed larynx.  Harley didn't eat because it was impossible or too 
painful.  The 2nd phase was the nasal part.  That's when he developed a 
fever, and had copious amounts of nasal discharge (couldn't breathe 
through his nose at all for a day or so), and some eye discharge also.


Marsha

On 2/23/2015 4:57 PM, Kelley S wrote:

Lance,

I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated?  
I've only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a 
kittenit just seems odd they would be exposed to it.  I wonder if 
it can lie dormant and surface later?


In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out 
fine.  We had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, 
but he had a 100% recovery.



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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Kelley S]

Lance,

The "c" in the FVRCP vaccine is calicivirus.  It covers calici,
Rhinotracheitis,
and
Panleukopenia.   Current recommendations are for the initial series as a
kitten, then a booster not more often than every 3 years.   I'm just trying
to figure out how on earth she could possibly have been exposed.

Kelley

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Lance  wrote:

> I see. I mentioned Sidney because he’s the only one who might have met
> another cat. Callie is strictly indoors, and the only cat she meets is
> Sidney.
>
> I’m not sure about vaccinations. If that’s a core vaccine, then she
> probably had it when she was a kitten. Neither cat has had a recent
> vaccination.
>
> On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
>
> Lance,
>
> I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated?  I've
> only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just
> seems odd they would be exposed to it.  I wonder if it can lie dormant and
> surface later?
>
> In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine.  We
> had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100%
> recovery.
>
> Kelley
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance  wrote:
>
>> Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been
>> fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched.
>>
>> Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that.
>>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

I see. I mentioned Sidney because he’s the only one who might have met another 
cat. Callie is strictly indoors, and the only cat she meets is Sidney.

I’m not sure about vaccinations. If that’s a core vaccine, then she probably 
had it when she was a kitten. Neither cat has had a recent vaccination.

> On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
> 
> Lance,
> 
> I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated?  I've 
> only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just 
> seems odd they would be exposed to it.  I wonder if it can lie dormant and 
> surface later?
> 
> In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine.  We 
> had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100% 
> recovery.
> 
> Kelley
> 
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance  > wrote:
> Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been 
> fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched. 
> 
> Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

I would prefer buprenex (the compounded liquid version if possible) or 
tramadol. We may have some tramadol here. I don’t think we’re going to give 
Sidney anything tonight, but I’ve put the metacam somewhere that will require 
deliberate consideration rather than “Oh, there’s that thing we give to Sidney. 
I’ll do it now.”

> On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> 
> Vets around here tend to avoid Metacam and favor Buprenex.  I worry about the 
> kidneys with Metacam. Hopefully they went with a minimal dose for Sidney.  A 
> dose of longer acting Buprenex seems to be recently popular in my area, for 
> post-dental pain relief.  Then the owners don't have to give any pain killer 
> at home.  But I have had 2 cats apparently hallucinate on that.  One was very 
> mild.  She was sitting on my lap, and trying to catch a string or something 
> that was floating in the air just above.  It was a very brief occurence.  The 
> other had a more pronounced reaction.  He thought he saw a mouse and was 
> intent on catching it.  Every time I moved what it seemed to be under, there 
> was nothing there, but he made a dash after it to its new hiding place.  At 
> first the other cats believed there must be a mouse, and they joined the 
> chase.  After about a half hour, they realized there was nothing there and 
> wandered off.  He seemed to see it for a another hour or two, but he must 
> have spent around 12 hours checking the places he thought it went.  He didn't 
> sleep for more than 24 hours.  My vet put a note in his file.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> On 2/23/2015 4:27 PM, Lance wrote:
>> The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost 
>> certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth 
>> were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.
>> 
>> I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my 
>> parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a 
>> problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.
>> 
>> Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details 
>> since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she 
>> might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she 
>> has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every 
>> six hours to help treat the ulcers.
>> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Kelley S]

Lance,

I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated?  I've
only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just
seems odd they would be exposed to it.  I wonder if it can lie dormant and
surface later?

In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine.  We
had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100%
recovery.

Kelley

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance  wrote:

> Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been
> fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched.
>
> Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that.
>
> On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
>
> Hi Lance,
>
> I've been doing some reading on stomatitis since Merls has been diagnosed
> with it.  There's a product called Plaque Off that is supposed to help with
> dental issues.  It's composed entirely of seaweed so it won't do any harm
> in any case.  Best wishes for both the kitties. Please keep us posted.
> That's odd they suspect calici.  Have they been exposed to any other cats?
>
> Kelley
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Lance  wrote:
>
>> The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were
>> almost certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some
>> teeth were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.
>>
>> I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer
>> my parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a
>> problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.
>>
>> Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details
>> since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she
>> might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she
>> has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every
>> six hours to help treat the ulcers.
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been 
fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched. 

Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that. 

> On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lance,
> 
> I've been doing some reading on stomatitis since Merls has been diagnosed 
> with it.  There's a product called Plaque Off that is supposed to help with 
> dental issues.  It's composed entirely of seaweed so it won't do any harm in 
> any case.  Best wishes for both the kitties. Please keep us posted.  
> That's odd they suspect calici.  Have they been exposed to any other cats? 
> 
> Kelley
> 
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Lance  > wrote:
> The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost 
> certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth 
> were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.
> 
> I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my 
> parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a 
> problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.
> 
> Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details 
> since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she 
> might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has 
> an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six 
> hours to help treat the ulcers.
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Kelley S]

Hi Lance,

I've been doing some reading on stomatitis since Merls has been diagnosed
with it.  There's a product called Plaque Off that is supposed to help with
dental issues.  It's composed entirely of seaweed so it won't do any harm
in any case.  Best wishes for both the kitties. Please keep us posted.
That's odd they suspect calici.  Have they been exposed to any other cats?

Kelley

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Lance  wrote:

> The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were
> almost certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some
> teeth were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.
>
> I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer
> my parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a
> problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.
>
> Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details
> since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she
> might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she
> has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every
> six hours to help treat the ulcers.
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Marsha]

Vets around here tend to avoid Metacam and favor Buprenex.  I worry 
about the kidneys with Metacam. Hopefully they went with a minimal dose 
for Sidney.  A dose of longer acting Buprenex seems to be recently 
popular in my area, for post-dental pain relief.  Then the owners don't 
have to give any pain killer at home.  But I have had 2 cats apparently 
hallucinate on that.  One was very mild.  She was sitting on my lap, and 
trying to catch a string or something that was floating in the air just 
above.  It was a very brief occurence.  The other had a more pronounced 
reaction.  He thought he saw a mouse and was intent on catching it.  
Every time I moved what it seemed to be under, there was nothing there, 
but he made a dash after it to its new hiding place.  At first the other 
cats believed there must be a mouse, and they joined the chase.  After 
about a half hour, they realized there was nothing there and wandered 
off.  He seemed to see it for a another hour or two, but he must have 
spent around 12 hours checking the places he thought it went.  He didn't 
sleep for more than 24 hours.  My vet put a note in his file.


Marsha

On 2/23/2015 4:27 PM, Lance wrote:

The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost 
certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth were 
pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.

I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my 
parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a problem, 
but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.

Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details since 
I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she might be 
dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has an 
autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six hours 
to help treat the ulcers.




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[Lance]

The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost 
certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth were 
pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients. 

I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my 
parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a problem, 
but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.

Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details since 
I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she might be 
dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has an 
autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six hours 
to help treat the ulcers.
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[Lance]

I appreciate your thoughts. I told my parents that sub-q fluids might be 
required. The vet might get us something like that tomorrow.

The good news is that Callie’s scruff didn’t tent, so it doesn’t appear that 
she’s badly dehydrated. My mom is giving her between 5-9 ml of water every two 
hours. I hope that will help keep her fluids up enough until her vet visit 
tomorrow morning.

> On Feb 22, 2015, at 5:35 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> YOU CAN GET A FLUID SET UP FROM THE VET AND IF YOUR MOTHER IS OK WITH IT, SHE 
> COULD GIVE FLUIDS AS DIRECTED TO KEEP THEM HYDRATED.  ANYONE I HAD TO DO THAT 
> FOR WAS SO SICK THAT THEY DID NOT GIVE ME ANY TROUBLE.  I HUNG THE BAG FROM A 
> SHELF SUPPORT NEXT TO A COMFORTABLE CHAIR, POUT A TOWEL IN MY LAP AND RUBBED 
> AND TALKED TO THEM FOR A MINUTE AND THEN INSERTED THE NEEDLE.  YOUR MOM WOULD 
> JUST HAVE TO GT PAST PUTTING THE NEEDLE IN UNDER THE SKIN AND THINKING SHE 
> WAS HURTING THE CATS.  THAT BOTHERED ME BUT I KEPT TELLING MYSELF IT WAS THAT 
> OR THEY MIGHT DIE.
> 
> 
>  Marsha  wrote: 
>> You can test for dehydration by pulling up the loose skin on the back of 
> the neck and see if it snaps back right away.  If it stayed tented, I 
> would get her in immediately.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> On 2/22/2015 2:08 PM, Lance wrote:
>> Thanks again, everyone. Both cats are going at 7:30 tomorrow morning. We do 
>> have an emergency clinic, and I’m trying to figure out if I should push for 
>> Callie to go there today. Unfortunately, Callie’s vet didn’t give her fluids 
>> on Friday, but he’s a trustworthy vet, and he might not have seen the need 
>> at the point.
>> 
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[dlgegg]

YOU CAN GET A FLUID SET UP FROM THE VET AND IF YOUR MOTHER IS OK WITH IT, SHE 
COULD GIVE FLUIDS AS DIRECTED TO KEEP THEM HYDRATED.  ANYONE I HAD TO DO THAT 
FOR WAS SO SICK THAT THEY DID NOT GIVE ME ANY TROUBLE.  I HUNG THE BAG FROM A 
SHELF SUPPORT NEXT TO A COMFORTABLE CHAIR, POUT A TOWEL IN MY LAP AND RUBBED 
AND TALKED TO THEM FOR A MINUTE AND THEN INSERTED THE NEEDLE.  YOUR MOM WOULD 
JUST HAVE TO GT PAST PUTTING THE NEEDLE IN UNDER THE SKIN AND THINKING SHE WAS 
HURTING THE CATS.  THAT BOTHERED ME BUT I KEPT TELLING MYSELF IT WAS THAT OR 
THEY MIGHT DIE.


 Marsha  wrote: 
> You can test for dehydration by pulling up the loose skin on the back of 
the neck and see if it snaps back right away.  If it stayed tented, I 
would get her in immediately.

Marsha

On 2/22/2015 2:08 PM, Lance wrote:
> Thanks again, everyone. Both cats are going at 7:30 tomorrow morning. We do 
> have an emergency clinic, and I’m trying to figure out if I should push for 
> Callie to go there today. Unfortunately, Callie’s vet didn’t give her fluids 
> on Friday, but he’s a trustworthy vet, and he might not have seen the need at 
> the point.
>


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[Marsha]

You can test for dehydration by pulling up the loose skin on the back of 
the neck and see if it snaps back right away.  If it stayed tented, I 
would get her in immediately.


Marsha

On 2/22/2015 2:08 PM, Lance wrote:

Thanks again, everyone. Both cats are going at 7:30 tomorrow morning. We do 
have an emergency clinic, and I’m trying to figure out if I should push for 
Callie to go there today. Unfortunately, Callie’s vet didn’t give her fluids on 
Friday, but he’s a trustworthy vet, and he might not have seen the need at the 
point.




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[Lance]

Thanks again, everyone. Both cats are going at 7:30 tomorrow morning. We do 
have an emergency clinic, and I’m trying to figure out if I should push for 
Callie to go there today. Unfortunately, Callie’s vet didn’t give her fluids on 
Friday, but he’s a trustworthy vet, and he might not have seen the need at the 
point. 

> On Feb 22, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> 
> If they're not eating or drinking, and it's been more than 2 days, they're 
> going to need supportive care like sub-Q fluids and either syringe feeding or 
> an NG tube.  They need to go back to the vet tomorrow, I think.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> On 2/22/2015 1:01 PM, Lance wrote:
>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Neither cat is eating today, and 
>> neither will drink, either. They show some interest in these things, but 
>> decline. Sidney is behaving closer to normal, but Callie is slow, quiet, and 
>> staying more out of sight than normal.
>> 
>> When my mom got a small amount of water into Callie earlier, she noticed 
>> that her tongue was red on the sides and at the front. I’ve had some bad 
>> experiences with Dr. Google lately, so I’m not trusting his input, but is 
>> this something any of you have seen?
>> 
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[Kelley S]

Honestly at this point I'm thinking infection and get them to the vet asap
Monday.

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:18 PM,  wrote:

> DOES THEIR BOX OR BOXES GET CLEANED EVERY DAY?  I HAVE 4 CATS AT PRESENT
> AND 6 BOXES (LEFT OVER FROM 8 CATS) AND THEY ALL GET CLEANED MORNING AND
> EVENING TO PREVENT AN INFECTION FROM TRANSFERRING FROM ONE CAT TO ANOTHER.
> I USE BLUE BUFFALO MULTI CAT AND WORLD'S GREATEST BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH
> BIODEGRADEABLE AND I HAVE AN ESTABLISHED SPOT TO DISPOSE OF USED LITTER.
> IT BREAKS DOWN AND BECOMES PART OF THE SOIL.
>
>
>  Kelley S  wrote:
> > But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same
> > time...what are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the
> food?
> > Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know
> what:(
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  wrote:
> >
> > > DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA?
> > > IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON?
> > > HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX?  WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE
> > > DID NOT EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE.  IF THEY USE THE
> BOX,
> > > ARE THE URINE CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL?
> > > HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I
> SPENT
> > > A FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES.  THEY BOTH
> WERE
> > > OFF THEIR FEED, LAID AROUND
> > >
> > >  Lance  wrote:
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I have good reason to believe that the cats I mention below are
> negatives.
> > > I’m not 100% sure, but one of them has had no exposure to my angel
> Ember in
> > > the last nine years, and the other one who did have a run-in was
> tested at
> > > 36 days out and then about a year out. Both tests came back negative.
> > >
> > > Our 9yro cat Callie stayed on her blanket all day Wednesday, which
> isn’t
> > > unusual in general cat behavior, but a bit off. On Thursday, she hid
> under
> > > the bed and acted scared whenever she came out (tail down and dashing
> to
> > > get somewhere). She popped out a few times to follow a toy I was
> tempting
> > > her with, but she would go back to hiding in short order. We realized
> that
> > > she hadn’t been eating (she feels thinner to me), and I noticed that
> her
> > > coat seemed different, though I can’t explain how. Maybe a bit more
> dull,
> > > but not really?
> > >
> > > Callie was taken to the vet on Friday. Bloodwork looked normal (I’m not
> > > sure what they tested, but I imagine it was a CBC with some metabolism)
> > > though her potassium level was low. The vet thought this was due to
> her not
> > > eating. They x-rayed her (pretty normal), checked her heart (normal),
> > > palpated her (normal), took temperature (no fever), so they kept her
> for
> > > the day to see if they could find out more. After getting a sample,
> her vet
> > > said  her urine had a lot of bacteria in it. They gave her a shot
> > > (Convenia, I’m guessing) and asked to see her in two weeks or sooner
> if she
> > > doesn’t start to feel better.
> > >
> > > Around Wednesday, I noticed that our other cat, 11.5yro Sidney, felt
> like
> > > he might have lost some weight. It turned out that he also had not been
> > > eating. Sidney’s behavior was more normal for him, but he
> didn’t/doesn’t
> > > feel well. He was taken to the vet today, and unfortunately, I only
> have a
> > > vague picture of how that went. The tech thought she saw an ulcer in
> > > Sidney’s mouth, but the vet said he might have some inflammation and
> > > scheduled him for a dental. He got fluids and a shot (again, probably
> > > Convenia) and was sent home.
> > >
> > > Sidney is drooling quite a bit and hasn’t eaten since this morning.
> He’s
> > > clearly not feeling well, but he’s keeping closer to his normal
> routine,
> > > whereas Callie is not. She probably hasn’t had time to bounce back
> yet, but
> > > she’s still not eating; only drinking a little. She’s a little more
> > > interactive, but nowhere near normal.
> > >
> > > We’re tempting them with everything we can including tuna, Fancy Feast
> > > Chicken, treats, snacks, etc. I don’t think we can do much more other
> than
> > > keep looking for things that they can’t resist at least nibbling on.
> > >
> > > I’m wondering what my fellow cat guardians think of this situation. It
> > > seems unusual that two adult cats would get sick at the same time.
> > >
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[dlgegg]

DOES THEIR BOX OR BOXES GET CLEANED EVERY DAY?  I HAVE 4 CATS AT PRESENT AND 6 
BOXES (LEFT OVER FROM 8 CATS) AND THEY ALL GET CLEANED MORNING AND EVENING TO 
PREVENT AN INFECTION FROM TRANSFERRING FROM ONE CAT TO ANOTHER.  I USE BLUE 
BUFFALO MULTI CAT AND WORLD'S GREATEST BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH BIODEGRADEABLE AND 
I HAVE AN ESTABLISHED SPOT TO DISPOSE OF USED LITTER.  IT BREAKS DOWN AND 
BECOMES PART OF THE SOIL.  


 Kelley S  wrote: 
> But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same
> time...what are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the food?
> Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:(
> 
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  wrote:
> 
> > DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA?
> > IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON?
> > HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX?  WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE
> > DID NOT EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE.  IF THEY USE THE BOX,
> > ARE THE URINE CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL?
> > HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I SPENT
> > A FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES.  THEY BOTH WERE
> > OFF THEIR FEED, LAID AROUND
> >
> >  Lance  wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have good reason to believe that the cats I mention below are negatives.
> > I’m not 100% sure, but one of them has had no exposure to my angel Ember in
> > the last nine years, and the other one who did have a run-in was tested at
> > 36 days out and then about a year out. Both tests came back negative.
> >
> > Our 9yro cat Callie stayed on her blanket all day Wednesday, which isn’t
> > unusual in general cat behavior, but a bit off. On Thursday, she hid under
> > the bed and acted scared whenever she came out (tail down and dashing to
> > get somewhere). She popped out a few times to follow a toy I was tempting
> > her with, but she would go back to hiding in short order. We realized that
> > she hadn’t been eating (she feels thinner to me), and I noticed that her
> > coat seemed different, though I can’t explain how. Maybe a bit more dull,
> > but not really?
> >
> > Callie was taken to the vet on Friday. Bloodwork looked normal (I’m not
> > sure what they tested, but I imagine it was a CBC with some metabolism)
> > though her potassium level was low. The vet thought this was due to her not
> > eating. They x-rayed her (pretty normal), checked her heart (normal),
> > palpated her (normal), took temperature (no fever), so they kept her for
> > the day to see if they could find out more. After getting a sample, her vet
> > said  her urine had a lot of bacteria in it. They gave her a shot
> > (Convenia, I’m guessing) and asked to see her in two weeks or sooner if she
> > doesn’t start to feel better.
> >
> > Around Wednesday, I noticed that our other cat, 11.5yro Sidney, felt like
> > he might have lost some weight. It turned out that he also had not been
> > eating. Sidney’s behavior was more normal for him, but he didn’t/doesn’t
> > feel well. He was taken to the vet today, and unfortunately, I only have a
> > vague picture of how that went. The tech thought she saw an ulcer in
> > Sidney’s mouth, but the vet said he might have some inflammation and
> > scheduled him for a dental. He got fluids and a shot (again, probably
> > Convenia) and was sent home.
> >
> > Sidney is drooling quite a bit and hasn’t eaten since this morning. He’s
> > clearly not feeling well, but he’s keeping closer to his normal routine,
> > whereas Callie is not. She probably hasn’t had time to bounce back yet, but
> > she’s still not eating; only drinking a little. She’s a little more
> > interactive, but nowhere near normal.
> >
> > We’re tempting them with everything we can including tuna, Fancy Feast
> > Chicken, treats, snacks, etc. I don’t think we can do much more other than
> > keep looking for things that they can’t resist at least nibbling on.
> >
> > I’m wondering what my fellow cat guardians think of this situation. It
> > seems unusual that two adult cats would get sick at the same time.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

The cats aren’t in my care, so I don’t get to pick their food or handle vet 
visits. 

I think Convenia was done because it’s easy. I used it with Ember once or 
twice, but I’m not a big fan, either. I’ve read some less than pleasing things 
about it. I would prefer to get clavamox compounded, but we’re here now. 

I think both cats are peeing some, though I don’t know how much. Callie drank 
some last night, and Sidney got fluids at the vet yesterday. Both still aren’t 
eating today.

I will mention the need for a dry food change to my parents. When I last 
checked Wellness canned was somewhat questionable, but their dry food had a 
good rating.

> On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Margo  wrote:
> 
> Are they in your care? Was a C&S done on the bacteria, or did they just use 
> Convenia because it's easy? I'm not a big fan, in case you can't tell .
> 
> When you say they're not peeing, I'd be doing sub-q fluids on a regular 
> basis, hoping to "flush" their bladders and make them feel better. For now, 
> I'd drop the dry food completely, if there's a problem with food, that's most 
> likely where it is.
> 
> Please keep us posted :(
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message-----
>> From: Lance 
>> Sent: Feb 21, 2015 11:05 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
>> 
>> I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies 
>> canned and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my parents’ 
>> cats, and I’m advocating for getting better quality food. 
>> 
>> Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, 
>> and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It 
>> might be coincidental, but it’s suspicious.
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
>>> 
>>> But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same 
>>> time...what are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the food?  
>>> Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:(
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Margo]

Are they in your care? Was a C&S done on the bacteria, or did they just use 
Convenia because it's easy? I'm not a big fan, in case you can't tell .

When you say they're not peeing, I'd be doing sub-q fluids on a regular basis, 
hoping to "flush" their bladders and make them feel better. For now, I'd drop 
the dry food completely, if there's a problem with food, that's most likely 
where it is.

Please keep us posted :(

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Lance 
>Sent: Feb 21, 2015 11:05 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats
>
>I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies canned 
>and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my parents’ cats, 
>and I’m advocating for getting better quality food. 
>
>Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, 
>and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It 
>might be coincidental, but it’s suspicious.
>
>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
>> 
>> But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same time...what 
>> are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the food?  Other than 
>> that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:(
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[dlgegg]

FOR SURE, GET THEM ON BETTER FOOD, SOMETHING WITHOUT WHEAT, CORN OR SOY.  I 
HAVE GONE TO BLUE BUFFALO AND THEY HAVE A RABBIT AND DUCK THAT MY CATS LOVE.

 Lance  wrote: 
> I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies canned 
> and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my parents’ cats, 
> and I’m advocating for getting better quality food. 

Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, 
and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It might 
be coincidental, but it’s suspicious.

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
> 
> But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same time...what 
> are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the food?  Other than 
> that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:(

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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[dlgegg]

DO YOU HAVE A WATER FOUNTAIN?  THEY ARE GREAT AND MY CATS LOVE BOTH OF THEIRS.

 Lance  wrote: 
> I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies canned 
> and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my parents’ cats, 
> and I’m advocating for getting better quality food. 

Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, 
and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It might 
be coincidental, but it’s suspicious.

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
> 
> But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same time...what 
> are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the food?  Other than 
> that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:(

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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies canned 
and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my parents’ cats, and 
I’m advocating for getting better quality food. 

Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, 
and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It might 
be coincidental, but it’s suspicious.

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
> 
> But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same time...what 
> are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the food?  Other than 
> that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:(

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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

Sidney’s urine wasn’t tested. Unfortunately, he didn’t see the same vet that 
Callie did. That would have helped.

I don’t think we have any indoor plants that are new or unusual. Sidney goes 
outside, but does not leave the fenced-in yard. Callie is an indoor cat.

Since Sidney goes out, he does his business outside most of the time. I’m not 
aware of any pee accidents inside, but Callie hasn’t drank much for the last 
two days. 

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:13 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA?
> IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON?
> HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX?  WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE DID 
> NOT EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE.  IF THEY USE THE BOX, ARE THE 
> URINE CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL?
> HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I SPENT A 
> FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES.  THEY BOTH WERE OFF 
> THEIR FEED, LAID AROUND


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[Kelley S]

But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same
time...what are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the food?
Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:(

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  wrote:

> DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA?
> IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON?
> HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX?  WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE
> DID NOT EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE.  IF THEY USE THE BOX,
> ARE THE URINE CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL?
> HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I SPENT
> A FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES.  THEY BOTH WERE
> OFF THEIR FEED, LAID AROUND
>
>  Lance  wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
>
> I have good reason to believe that the cats I mention below are negatives.
> I’m not 100% sure, but one of them has had no exposure to my angel Ember in
> the last nine years, and the other one who did have a run-in was tested at
> 36 days out and then about a year out. Both tests came back negative.
>
> Our 9yro cat Callie stayed on her blanket all day Wednesday, which isn’t
> unusual in general cat behavior, but a bit off. On Thursday, she hid under
> the bed and acted scared whenever she came out (tail down and dashing to
> get somewhere). She popped out a few times to follow a toy I was tempting
> her with, but she would go back to hiding in short order. We realized that
> she hadn’t been eating (she feels thinner to me), and I noticed that her
> coat seemed different, though I can’t explain how. Maybe a bit more dull,
> but not really?
>
> Callie was taken to the vet on Friday. Bloodwork looked normal (I’m not
> sure what they tested, but I imagine it was a CBC with some metabolism)
> though her potassium level was low. The vet thought this was due to her not
> eating. They x-rayed her (pretty normal), checked her heart (normal),
> palpated her (normal), took temperature (no fever), so they kept her for
> the day to see if they could find out more. After getting a sample, her vet
> said  her urine had a lot of bacteria in it. They gave her a shot
> (Convenia, I’m guessing) and asked to see her in two weeks or sooner if she
> doesn’t start to feel better.
>
> Around Wednesday, I noticed that our other cat, 11.5yro Sidney, felt like
> he might have lost some weight. It turned out that he also had not been
> eating. Sidney’s behavior was more normal for him, but he didn’t/doesn’t
> feel well. He was taken to the vet today, and unfortunately, I only have a
> vague picture of how that went. The tech thought she saw an ulcer in
> Sidney’s mouth, but the vet said he might have some inflammation and
> scheduled him for a dental. He got fluids and a shot (again, probably
> Convenia) and was sent home.
>
> Sidney is drooling quite a bit and hasn’t eaten since this morning. He’s
> clearly not feeling well, but he’s keeping closer to his normal routine,
> whereas Callie is not. She probably hasn’t had time to bounce back yet, but
> she’s still not eating; only drinking a little. She’s a little more
> interactive, but nowhere near normal.
>
> We’re tempting them with everything we can including tuna, Fancy Feast
> Chicken, treats, snacks, etc. I don’t think we can do much more other than
> keep looking for things that they can’t resist at least nibbling on.
>
> I’m wondering what my fellow cat guardians think of this situation. It
> seems unusual that two adult cats would get sick at the same time.
>
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[dlgegg]

DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA?
IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON?
HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX?  WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE DID NOT 
EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE.  IF THEY USE THE BOX, ARE THE URINE 
CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL?
HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I SPENT A 
FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES.  THEY BOTH WERE OFF 
THEIR FEED, LAID AROUND

 Lance  wrote: 
> Hi everyone,

I have good reason to believe that the cats I mention below are negatives. I’m 
not 100% sure, but one of them has had no exposure to my angel Ember in the 
last nine years, and the other one who did have a run-in was tested at 36 days 
out and then about a year out. Both tests came back negative. 

Our 9yro cat Callie stayed on her blanket all day Wednesday, which isn’t 
unusual in general cat behavior, but a bit off. On Thursday, she hid under the 
bed and acted scared whenever she came out (tail down and dashing to get 
somewhere). She popped out a few times to follow a toy I was tempting her with, 
but she would go back to hiding in short order. We realized that she hadn’t 
been eating (she feels thinner to me), and I noticed that her coat seemed 
different, though I can’t explain how. Maybe a bit more dull, but not really? 

Callie was taken to the vet on Friday. Bloodwork looked normal (I’m not sure 
what they tested, but I imagine it was a CBC with some metabolism) though her 
potassium level was low. The vet thought this was due to her not eating. They 
x-rayed her (pretty normal), checked her heart (normal), palpated her (normal), 
took temperature (no fever), so they kept her for the day to see if they could 
find out more. After getting a sample, her vet said  her urine had a lot of 
bacteria in it. They gave her a shot (Convenia, I’m guessing) and asked to see 
her in two weeks or sooner if she doesn’t start to feel better.

Around Wednesday, I noticed that our other cat, 11.5yro Sidney, felt like he 
might have lost some weight. It turned out that he also had not been eating. 
Sidney’s behavior was more normal for him, but he didn’t/doesn’t feel well. He 
was taken to the vet today, and unfortunately, I only have a vague picture of 
how that went. The tech thought she saw an ulcer in Sidney’s mouth, but the vet 
said he might have some inflammation and scheduled him for a dental. He got 
fluids and a shot (again, probably Convenia) and was sent home. 

Sidney is drooling quite a bit and hasn’t eaten since this morning. He’s 
clearly not feeling well, but he’s keeping closer to his normal routine, 
whereas Callie is not. She probably hasn’t had time to bounce back yet, but 
she’s still not eating; only drinking a little. She’s a little more 
interactive, but nowhere near normal.

We’re tempting them with everything we can including tuna, Fancy Feast Chicken, 
treats, snacks, etc. I don’t think we can do much more other than keep looking 
for things that they can’t resist at least nibbling on.

I’m wondering what my fellow cat guardians think of this situation. It seems 
unusual that two adult cats would get sick at the same time. 

Lance
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