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Thanks so much, Kat - it helps to know of other experiences with this sort of thing, and that there are other possibilities for causes. Gloria On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Kat wrote: Gloria, I've been off-line all last week, but wanted to add my condolences on your loss of Pansy. It's such a shock when something like this happens - seemingly out of the blue. Something sort of similar happened to me -only it was a week after I had my 6 month old "baby Callie" (who was just the sweetest little calico girl in the world) spayed. About 1 week after the spay, I found Callie with blood on her face, between her nose and left eye - on a Sunday morning. So off to the emergency vet I go - they said she was slightly dehydrated, and the blood was from a scratch - so give her some karo syrup in water and seperate her from the other cats, just in case they had gotten into a spat. While I was setting up a crate for Callie, I heard her thrashing in the cat carrier. When I took her out to hold her I realized she was having a seizure - so back to the ER. They couldn't stop the seizures - even with a dose of phenobarbital big enough for a Great Dane - and I had to let her go. The next day I brought her body to my vet (who did the spay) for a necropsy, and she found numerous dry FIP lesions thruout her body - including her brain (which is what caused the seizures). I know of a friend who lost her 1 year old kitty during a spay due to undetected heart problems - so sometimes it doesn't matter how old they are. Please just know that you were able to love her, and she knew your love. I am so sorry for your loss. Kat (Mew Jersey)
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Gloria, I've been off-line all last week, but wanted to add my condolences on your loss of Pansy. It's such a shock when something like this happens - seemingly out of the blue. Something sort of similar happened to me -only it was a week after I had my 6 month old "baby Callie" (who was just the sweetest little calico girl in the world) spayed. About 1 week after the spay, I found Callie with blood on her face, between her nose and left eye - on a Sunday morning. So off to the emergency vet I go - they said she was slightly dehydrated, and the blood was from a scratch - so give her some karo syrup in water and seperate her from the other cats, just in case they had gotten into a spat. While I was setting up a crate for Callie, I heard her thrashing in the cat carrier. When I took her out to hold her I realized she was having a seizure - so back to the ER. They couldn't stop the seizures - even with a dose of phenobarbital big enough for a Great Dane - and I had to let her go. The next day I brought her body to my vet (who did the spay) for a necropsy, and she found numerous dry FIP lesions thruout her body - including her brain (which is what caused the seizures). I know of a friend who lost her 1 year old kitty during a spay due to undetected heart problems - so sometimes it doesn't matter how old they are. Please just know that you were able to love her, and she knew your love. I am so sorry for your loss. Kat (Mew Jersey)
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In a message dated 1/1/06 2:00:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think there should be one person atleast in the recovery room anytime there is a patient in there, but I know this is probably uinrealistic. Actually, that depends on the practice, When I worked at the 24 Hour Emergency clinic. there was ALWAYS a person assigned to staying with indiviual patients while they recovered from anesthesia. The next practice I worked at (the "pink-juice" happy vets), did not really do anything post-op, other than put the patient in a cage. :(
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In a message dated 1/1/06 11:22:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mine also uses iv fluids during surgery IV fluids are so important during, and after surgery. Everyone really should insist that their vets do this as a precautionary procedure.
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I'm really sorry Gloria, we trust our vets to know what they are doing and to have our animals life in their hands, some are just not worthy of that trust. I think there should be one person atleast in the recovery room anytime there is a patient in there, but I know this is probably uinrealistic. I really am sorry this happened. I was born with a very healthy sceptisism which is a pain alot of the time, but can come in very handy sometimes, I'm sure my vet thinks I'm a major pain most of the time but in that instance I don't care. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Thanks, Belinda - I left the kitties at the vets before 8am and drove to visit some cousins . She was the only Persian. The vet called my home phone about 2:30pm and left a message, and I called the vets about 3pm from my cell phone. He told me then. He said that she was moving her head, in recovery. I know they had her in a cage, and were checking on her, not holding her (like we do in our clinic). They checked on her later and she was dead. When I picked her up at 4pm, she was still soft and warm. When I picked her up, the vet asked if she'd been FIV/FELV tested. I said yes, and was negative. He said it may have been FIP. I said I doubt that - I just know how easy it is to blame the unknown on something, just anything, and she was a healthy kitty. I got some good responses from the Persian list. Persians are different - flat face and all that. A few people on that list said that Persians need to be intubated, and to be checked because the soft pallet can block the airway, because of their flat facial structure. I feel very strongly that that's probably what it was. Also, I hear that Persians have problems with certain anesthesia, but then she seemed to be coming out of the anesthesia. I mailed the info to the vet as well, so that he'll know, but I doubt if I'll ever ever go there again. Anyhow - here's one of the comments - very interesting - (and I'll bet this vet didn't intubate) - Gloria >>Subject: Re: persian kitten, Pansy, died >> >>Sometimes on the flat faced ones they extubate them too soon... and >>because of the way the soft pallet is misshapen, it falls back and closes >>off the airway... and the cat is not awake enough to be aware of it...I >>have had this happen on a few... the first was when I was there, >>assisting, and noticed shortly after they extubated, the lips started >>turning blue... we responded and that cat was OK, but it could have had a >>much different outcome had I not been watching. Ever since, I make a >>point of telling them that, reminding them, so to speak. >>I am so sorry for your loss:( >>Mary Arnold >>Bit O'Blarney Pet Services >>TICA Allbreed Judge >>IM Mjablarney >>ICQ #21462586 On Jan 1, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Belinda Sauro wrote: Hi Gloria, I will be sure and add Pansy to this weeks service, I'm so sorry for your loss of such a young one. I do have a couple of questions that are puzzling me though. When exactly did Pansy pass away and why didn't your vet call you to let you know? It almost sounds like she was in recovery and they didn't know she had passed until you called to check on her and they went back to check on her and found her passed. I would certainly expect my vet to call me immediately if my kitty passed after surgery, which they did with Buddie, she came through the surgery fine but went into cardiac arrest in recovery, they called while they were trying to resusitate her and asked me if I wanted them to continue to resusitate her. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hi Gloria, I will be sure and add Pansy to this weeks service, I'm so sorry for your loss of such a young one. I do have a couple of questions that are puzzling me though. When exactly did Pansy pass away and why didn't your vet call you to let you know? It almost sounds like she was in recovery and they didn't know she had passed until you called to check on her and they went back to check on her and found her passed. I would certainly expect my vet to call me immediately if my kitty passed after surgery, which they did with Buddie, she came through the surgery fine but went into cardiac arrest in recovery, they called while they were trying to resusitate her and asked me if I wanted them to continue to resusitate her. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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i'm struck, once again, by how many things we don't know to ask about--and how important it is that we share what works--and what doesn't--with one another On 1/1/06, Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mine also uses iv fluids during surgery.--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design)http://HostDesign4U.com ---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Mine also uses iv fluids during surgery. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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In a message dated 12/30/05 6:06:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I brought my Ursula in to be spayed the vet suggested giving her fluid during surgery. I hadn't heard of doing that before, I have no idea if that helps The IV fluids really DO help...They flush out the anesthesia from the system. My vet always uses IV fluids during any surgical procedure.
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Thank you, Barb. Thanks so much to everyone - I appreciate it. Gloria On Dec 31, 2005, at 9:54 PM, Barb Moermond wrote: Oh Gloria, I'm so sorry - sending GLOW to light her way and ease your heart. Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Would you add Pansy to the Bridge list? I took her to the vet this morning to be spayed. When I called this afternoon, he said that she died after the surgery!! I was shocked. I got her in early December. She was not FELV, was a pretty little 6 mo old silver Persian, really sweet, playful, really pretty. I certainly didn't expect it, and will miss her. Gloria Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Oh Gloria, I'm so sorry - sending GLOW to light her way and ease your heart.Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Would you add Pansy to the Bridge list? I took her to the vet this morning to be spayed. When I called this afternoon, he said that she died after the surgery!! I was shocked. I got her in early December.She was not FELV, was a pretty little 6 mo old silver Persian, really sweet, playful, really pretty. I certainly didn't expect it, and will miss her.GloriaBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Gloria, I am so sorry to hear about Pansy! What a shock that must have been! What did the vet say caused Pansy's death?! I am so sorry. This is a tough way to end a year. I will keep you in my prayers and I hope that you continue to be comforted by the warm memories you have of her. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
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Gloria, I am so very, very sorry! What a terrible shock for you. We all know that there are risks with surgery, but it all seems so routine these days that you never expect anything like this. I know Pansy will wait for you with your others who have gone to the bridge. tonyaGloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Would you add Pansy to the Bridge list? I took her to the vet this morning to be spayed. When I called this afternoon, he said that she died after the surgery!! I was shocked. I got her in early December.She was not FELV, was a pretty little 6 mo old silver Persian, really sweet, playful, really pretty. I certainly didn't expect it, and will miss her.Gloria
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Oh, my God, Gloria! I am so, so, so sorry. How scary and horrible. I'm sorry. Michelle In a message dated 12/30/2005 5:24:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would you add Pansy to the Bridge list? I took her to the vet this morning to be spayed. When I called this afternoon, he said that she died after the surgery!! I was shocked. I got her in early December.She was not FELV, was a pretty little 6 mo old silver Persian, really sweet, playful, really pretty. I certainly didn't expect it, and will miss her.Gloria
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Oh Gloria, I'm so sorry, for Pansy and esp for you. I know how hard it is to send any of them off for surgery. I always worry and this is why. From the instances of this happening, it doesn't seem to matter how old they are. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for this sort of thing. Can you ask what kind of anesthesia was used? When I brought my Ursula in to be spayed the vet suggested giving her fluid during surgery. I hadn't heard of doing that before, I have no idea if that helps. Aw, this just sucks. I know how much you love your little charges and that you always do whatever you can to protect them. There was no way for you to know this was going to happen, and like me, I know that you feel strongly about no one moving on to forever homes intact. Try not to be too hard on yourself, (it's so very hard to not second guess our decisions after the fact), this wasn't your fault. Much love to you, Nina Gloria Lane wrote: Would you add Pansy to the Bridge list? I took her to the vet this morning to be spayed. When I called this afternoon, he said that she died after the surgery!! I was shocked. I got her in early December. She was not FELV, was a pretty little 6 mo old silver Persian, really sweet, playful, really pretty. I certainly didn't expect it, and will miss her. Gloria
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>>>Think next time I'll wait till the kitty is older<<< Still, it's not as if you did it unreasonably early. Six months should have been fine. I wonder if anyone else on the list will have any ideas on the possible cause. It's awful. So hard to take, and especially hard for you knowing illness wasn't the reason Pansy was at the vet. Thinking of you, Gloria. love, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 4:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Add Pansy to the bridge list Thanks so much, Kerry. I'm in shock, what can I say. he didnt say - he did say that she had fluid on her chest, so suggested maybe FIP - but I know how easy it is to blame these unknown things on FIV, FELV, FIP and so on. He just didn't know. She seemed healthy, very playful, ate ok - could have been the anesthesia. I wonder about the different anesthesias. I just don't know, sigh. Think next time I'll wait till the kitty is older, I don't know Gloria On Dec 30, 2005, at 4:29 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: > Gloria, I am so terribly sorry. No wonder you're in shock. Did he give > any explanation? That should never happen with a healthy cat, right? > I really am so, so sorry. That's such a sad end to the year. > sending love and hugs, Kerry > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 4:24 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Add Pansy to the bridge list > > > Would you add Pansy to the Bridge list? I took her to the vet this > morning to be spayed. When I called this afternoon, he said that she > died after the surgery!! I was shocked. I got her in early December. > > She was not FELV, was a pretty little 6 mo old silver Persian, really > sweet, playful, really pretty. I certainly didn't expect it, and > will miss her. > > Gloria > > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax > matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, > Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer > for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under > U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice > in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other > entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) > the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a > person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction > or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the > taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the system > manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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oh, gloria, i'm so sorry! sending lots of GLOW to guide pansy home--there are a lot of my persians at the bridge who will welcome her, and keep her from missing you too much. i wish i could do the same for you... -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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How horrible! I'm so sorry. Big hugs to you. Goodnight, sweet Pansy... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: Add Pansy to the bridge list Would you add Pansy to the Bridge list? I took her to the vet this morning to be spayed. When I called this afternoon, he said that she died after the surgery!! I was shocked. I got her in early December.She was not FELV, was a pretty little 6 mo old silver Persian, really sweet, playful, really pretty. I certainly didn't expect it, and will miss her.Gloria
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Thanks so much, Kerry. I'm in shock, what can I say. he didnt say - he did say that she had fluid on her chest, so suggested maybe FIP - but I know how easy it is to blame these unknown things on FIV, FELV, FIP and so on. He just didn't know. She seemed healthy, very playful, ate ok - could have been the anesthesia. I wonder about the different anesthesias. I just don't know, sigh. Think next time I'll wait till the kitty is older, I don't know Gloria On Dec 30, 2005, at 4:29 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Gloria, I am so terribly sorry. No wonder you're in shock. Did he give any explanation? That should never happen with a healthy cat, right? I really am so, so sorry. That's such a sad end to the year. sending love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 4:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Add Pansy to the bridge list Would you add Pansy to the Bridge list? I took her to the vet this morning to be spayed. When I called this afternoon, he said that she died after the surgery!! I was shocked. I got her in early December. She was not FELV, was a pretty little 6 mo old silver Persian, really sweet, playful, really pretty. I certainly didn't expect it, and will miss her. Gloria IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Gloria, I am so terribly sorry. No wonder you're in shock. Did he give any explanation? That should never happen with a healthy cat, right? I really am so, so sorry. That's such a sad end to the year. sending love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 4:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Add Pansy to the bridge list Would you add Pansy to the Bridge list? I took her to the vet this morning to be spayed. When I called this afternoon, he said that she died after the surgery!! I was shocked. I got her in early December. She was not FELV, was a pretty little 6 mo old silver Persian, really sweet, playful, really pretty. I certainly didn't expect it, and will miss her. Gloria IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
