Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Lisa, while you are at the store. Pick up some babyfood. Meat and broth, no veggies, no garlic, no onion. Beechnut is better that Gerbers, because Gerbers has corn starch. Sometimes heating it just a bit brings out the aroma and gets kitties interested in eating. Sometimes just a tiny bit on a flat dish, sometimes putting it in front of their face again and again... You get the idea. Let us know how you and Cloud are doing. Nina Lisa Ward wrote: Thank you again Michelle, I will try everything you suggested...Just a quick question on the liver shake you said kelp or spirulina, never heard of that is it some kind of syrup, can I buy this a the food store? Lisa
RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Thank you, I will let you know tomorrow, what is happening..Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa Kelp is a seaweed and spirulina is an algae. You can buy them both in powder or capsule (which can be opened) form at a health food store and at some supermarkets in the vitamin section. If you can't get these easily they are not essential to the recipe-- they provide extra vitamins and minerals, but right now the most important thing is to get food into him, any food you can. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 3:08:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you again Michelle, I will try everything you suggested...Just a quick question on the liver shake you said kelp or spirulina, never heard of that is it some kind of syrup, can I buy this a the food store? Lisa
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Kelp is a seaweed and spirulina is an algae. You can buy them both in powder or capsule (which can be opened) form at a health food store and at some supermarkets in the vitamin section. If you can't get these easily they are not essential to the recipe-- they provide extra vitamins and minerals, but right now the most important thing is to get food into him, any food you can. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 3:08:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you again Michelle, I will try everything you suggested...Just a quick question on the liver shake you said kelp or spirulina, never heard of that is it some kind of syrup, can I buy this a the food store? Lisa
RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Thank you again Michelle, I will try everything you suggested...Just a quick question on the liver shake you said kelp or spirulina, never heard of that is it some kind of syrup, can I buy this a the food store? Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa To give water to a cat, we usually give subutaneous fluids, which a vet needs to give you and show you how to give. The liver shake has a lot of liquid in it. If Cloud eat it or you syringe it, I would not worry about syringing water orally. When you next see a vet, though, you might want to ask about sub-q fluids. They are not hard to give. The thing with anemia is, though, that if you hydrate then too much they feel more anemic because it thins the blood. So right now I would focus on food and getting a real diagnosis and probably some steroids and antibiotics. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 2:48:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Michelle, I am going to go get the stuff to make this in about 1.5 hrs...Thank youMaybe Cloud will eat this...What about water, should I be feeding Cloud water also? Lisa
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Hill's A/D with a little tomato juice add is almost the same thing as liver shake... But you have to get the A/D from a vet...The important thing is to get something into him ASAP...NOW If he will drink water let him...or anything he will eat I agree it was almost malpractice to send him home without at least these instructions.. Finding a vet that is FeLV friendly is important ... many are not... Tad Lisa Ward wrote: Thank you Michelle, I am going to go get the stuff to make this in about 1.5 hrs...Thank youMaybe Cloud will eat this...What about water, should I be feeding Cloud water also? Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa The liver shake does have iron in it, but iron deficiency is almost never the cause of anemia in cats so it will not help the anemia itself. it is good because they will often eat it when they will not eat other things, and it is nutrient-rich so they need less volume of it than other foods (60 ml a day). Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 2:39:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The liver shake is a recipe which has liver as the main ingredient, I will find it and post it to the list, coming right up. It is good for cats who are anemic, but the best thing is to see an internal specialist as suggested and find out why Cloud is anemic.
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
To give water to a cat, we usually give subutaneous fluids, which a vet needs to give you and show you how to give. The liver shake has a lot of liquid in it. If Cloud eat it or you syringe it, I would not worry about syringing water orally. When you next see a vet, though, you might want to ask about sub-q fluids. They are not hard to give. The thing with anemia is, though, that if you hydrate then too much they feel more anemic because it thins the blood. So right now I would focus on food and getting a real diagnosis and probably some steroids and antibiotics. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 2:48:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Michelle, I am going to go get the stuff to make this in about 1.5 hrs...Thank youMaybe Cloud will eat this...What about water, should I be feeding Cloud water also? Lisa
RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Thank you Michelle, I am going to go get the stuff to make this in about 1.5 hrs...Thank youMaybe Cloud will eat this...What about water, should I be feeding Cloud water also? Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa The liver shake does have iron in it, but iron deficiency is almost never the cause of anemia in cats so it will not help the anemia itself. it is good because they will often eat it when they will not eat other things, and it is nutrient-rich so they need less volume of it than other foods (60 ml a day). Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 2:39:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The liver shake is a recipe which has liver as the main ingredient, I will find it and post it to the list, coming right up. It is good for cats who are anemic, but the best thing is to see an internal specialist as suggested and find out why Cloud is anemic.
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
The liver shake does have iron in it, but iron deficiency is almost never the cause of anemia in cats so it will not help the anemia itself. it is good because they will often eat it when they will not eat other things, and it is nutrient-rich so they need less volume of it than other foods (60 ml a day). Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 2:39:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The liver shake is a recipe which has liver as the main ingredient, I will find it and post it to the list, coming right up. It is good for cats who are anemic, but the best thing is to see an internal specialist as suggested and find out why Cloud is anemic.
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Hi Lisa, No Doxocycline is not the same as Amoxocylin, doxo is one of the preferred antibiotics used where hemo is diagnosed. The liver shake is a recipe which has liver as the main ingredient, I will find it and post it to the list, coming right up. It is good for cats who are anemic, but the best thing is to see an internal specialist as suggested and find out why Cloud is anemic. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Liver shake is a recipe for food that will tempt many cats who will not otherwise eat. Here is the recipe: 1 cup raw liver 1 cup V-8, tomato juice, or fresh carrot juice 1/4 cup water 1 raw egg yoke 1 teaspoon kelp or spirulina Blend in blender until liquid and frothy. Heat a little in a bowl until warm, and offer it to Cloud. If Cloud won't eat it, put a little on her mouth to lick off. This might get her going (it worked with Simon and he became a big fan of the shake). If she still won't eat it, syringe about 20 cc's of it into three times a day. It is complete nutrition. You can also get A/D, a prescription food that is palatable, high in calories, and easy to syringe feed, at the vet's. Dox is different than amoxicylliin-- it is broader spectrum. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 2:20:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is a liver shake? Shall I puree raw liver and syringe feed it to her?What is hemobartenella? The vet mentioned nothing of the sort. Isdoxocylcline the same as amoxicillian...? Lisa
RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
What is a liver shake? Shall I puree raw liver and syringe feed it to her? What is hemobartenella? The vet mentioned nothing of the sort. Is doxocylcline the same as amoxicillian...? Lisa -Original Message- From: Belinda Sauro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa Is he getting supplemented with pet tinnic or has your vet suggested a transfusion, the liver shake is also good for this. I hope to God your vet did tests to see if the anemia is regenerative or non-regenerative, if not get a new vet ASAP and have tests done for hemobartenella, infact I would get Cloud on doxocylcline just to be safe it won't hurt him and couls well save his life if it is hemo. And most important if Cloud is not eating YOU MUST syringe feed, any sick cat that doesn't get enough food will not have the strength to fight off anything and WILL have firther complications from not getting enough nutrition which will eventually kill it no matter how much medication you are giving it. Nothing but food will cure Fatty Liver Disease, something inappetent cats get all too frequently while the vets hem and haw about other things going on and the owners have no idea how dangerous not eating can be for cats!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Is he getting supplemented with pet tinnic or has your vet suggested a transfusion, the liver shake is also good for this. I hope to God your vet did tests to see if the anemia is regenerative or non-regenerative, if not get a new vet ASAP and have tests done for hemobartenella, infact I would get Cloud on doxocylcline just to be safe it won't hurt him and couls well save his life if it is hemo. And most important if Cloud is not eating YOU MUST syringe feed, any sick cat that doesn't get enough food will not have the strength to fight off anything and WILL have firther complications from not getting enough nutrition which will eventually kill it no matter how much medication you are giving it. Nothing but food will cure Fatty Liver Disease, something inappetent cats get all too frequently while the vets hem and haw about other things going on and the owners have no idea how dangerous not eating can be for cats!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Hello, Yes, they said Cloud is anemic, he is very tired and weak..Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa I am so sorry to hear about Cloud! Has the vet given you a definitive diagnosis? Cats don't generally die of the Feleuk virus itself, but rather because of diseases that take advantage of the cat's weakened immune system...is Cloud anemic? "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:21 am Subject: RE: CLS - Twiggy > I am very sorry to hear about Twiggy, I also have a kitty (Cloud) > dying of > feline lekuminia, she has no energy, the vet says there is nothing > that can > be doneGood please her.Lisa Ward > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:03 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy > > Joan, please tell your friend how very sorry I am to hear that Twiggy > had to go...I'm sure she is a bright, shiney new fur-angel completely > uninhibited, now...I know Twiggy is going to be pretty busy for > awhile,but I'm sure she'll be watching over the wonderful people > who watched > over her for the short time that she was here...Big hugs to Norrice! > > Jen > > > "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you > will be > unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the > world; You > become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de > Saint-Exupéry > > "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know > each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, > and what > you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- > Chief Dan > George > > - Original Message - > From: "Doljan, Joan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:06 am > Subject: CLS - Twiggy > > > Belinda, > > > > Please add, my friend, Norrice's kitten Twiggy to the > Candlelight > > Service.She was about 9 months old, and probably died from FIP > > early Saturday > > morning. She had started having seizures and was rushed to a 24 > hours> clinic. Norrice was told there was no hope for her > recovery, so she > > waseuthanized.. When she was rescued she was always thin and > > somewhat sickly, > > she has good times but often had a fever which would come and > go. > > Norrice,had her to the vet, numerous times and previously they > > could not find > > anything specifically wrong. This past week though, the blood > work > > showedthat Twiggy was slightly anemic, had a high white blood > > count, elevated > > liver enzyme levels, and a high globulin count. She tested > negative > > for both > > feline leukemia and aids. She was always listless and since she > > never ate > > much, or gained much weight, she was named "Twiggy". "Twiggy" > came > > from a > > house with many unaltered animals (now they are all altered) and > > some kitten > > deaths (probably also from FIP). Norrice, took Twiggy, to get > her > > to a > > better environment. Twiggy's life, though indeed short, was one > > filled with > > love and much caring.. > > Thank you, > > > > Joan > > > > >
Re: RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
I am so sorry to hear about Cloud! Has the vet given you a definitive diagnosis? Cats don't generally die of the Feleuk virus itself, but rather because of diseases that take advantage of the cat's weakened immune system...is Cloud anemic? "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:21 am Subject: RE: CLS - Twiggy > I am very sorry to hear about Twiggy, I also have a kitty (Cloud) > dying of > feline lekuminia, she has no energy, the vet says there is nothing > that can > be doneGood please her.Lisa Ward > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:03 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy > > Joan, please tell your friend how very sorry I am to hear that Twiggy > had to go...I'm sure she is a bright, shiney new fur-angel completely > uninhibited, now...I know Twiggy is going to be pretty busy for > awhile,but I'm sure she'll be watching over the wonderful people > who watched > over her for the short time that she was here...Big hugs to Norrice! > > Jen > > > "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you > will be > unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the > world; You > become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de > Saint-Exupéry > > "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know > each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, > and what > you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- > Chief Dan > George > > - Original Message - > From: "Doljan, Joan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:06 am > Subject: CLS - Twiggy > > > Belinda, > > > > Please add, my friend, Norrice's kitten Twiggy to the > Candlelight > > Service.She was about 9 months old, and probably died from FIP > > early Saturday > > morning. She had started having seizures and was rushed to a 24 > hours> clinic. Norrice was told there was no hope for her > recovery, so she > > waseuthanized.. When she was rescued she was always thin and > > somewhat sickly, > > she has good times but often had a fever which would come and > go. > > Norrice,had her to the vet, numerous times and previously they > > could not find > > anything specifically wrong. This past week though, the blood > work > > showedthat Twiggy was slightly anemic, had a high white blood > > count, elevated > > liver enzyme levels, and a high globulin count. She tested > negative > > for both > > feline leukemia and aids. She was always listless and since she > > never ate > > much, or gained much weight, she was named "Twiggy". "Twiggy" > came > > from a > > house with many unaltered animals (now they are all altered) and > > some kitten > > deaths (probably also from FIP). Norrice, took Twiggy, to get > her > > to a > > better environment. Twiggy's life, though indeed short, was one > > filled with > > love and much caring.. > > Thank you, > > > > Joan > > > > >
