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Thank you On my way there now. Kat On 7/11/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Go to groups.yahoo.com search for it. It is for individuals needing help with pets. No rescue groups. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from
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No, just go to www.chipin.com - instructions right there on how to proceed point by point! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Thanks Natalie. I meant the Yahoo group Beth mentioned, Animal Wish List. You have to have a PayPal account to use Chipin and I don't have one. And I wouldn't want to create and use one if I want the money to go directly to my vet right? She would have to have an account? Don't know if she does, if I can/should set one up for her (she is out of town), etc. I will work on it tho cause I can use the help for Luke. Kat On 7/11/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: No, just go to www.chipin.com - instructions right there on how to proceed point by point! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans
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Go to groups.yahoo.com search for it. It is for individuals needing help with pets. No rescue groups. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought
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FYI: Pretty Boy came to the house as a throw-away/stray/feral and hung around until we were able to live trap him for neutering (the price of free food, shelter). He avoided being trapped for almost a year. I had his teeth pulled and left him at the vet's for a long time to recover then cooped him up in a recovery room in a garage for a long time. Wanted the meds to get out of his system, the gums to heal and harden and for him to cool off. Needless to say he was one pissed off cat but he obviously felt better. Petty Boy was returned to his friends that numbered 8-9 at that time so there were arguments, hunting, etc. He has done fine and caught, repeatedly, a ground squirrel a few days ago. He and the rest are served dry food daily and, depending on the weather, cat food soup--canned cat food mixed with water. He eats both and, like the rest, looks in a window and stares when he wants seconds. I don't leave a lot of food out any more because of packs of dogs running around. Besides, the heat and humidity doesn't help either type of food. He is doing fine and has been for at least 3 years now. The vet thought he was about 10-11 when he had his teeth pulled. God knows how long he had been in pain. On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:04 PM, katskat1 wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand
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Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
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Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic
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Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention
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The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N- DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
What is puzzling about the connection between stomatitis/teeth/gums is that one could understand if they were in bad shape, but our FIV+ Sox has gorgeous white teeth and great pink gums. The consensus is that there may be things going on deep down at the roots, not visible in the mouth. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] DMG
Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
My mother has been recommending this ages ago(she died in 2001) - and I know that I've used it because she gave it to me, forget for what. But when you see the list of things that it can help, it's very impressive: FIV/FeLV, feline acne (chin), rodent ulcers (on their lips), melanomas, skin allergies, geriatrics with immunological disorders, epileptic seizures, and almost all respiratory conditions, and much, much more. You're right, it can't hurt, especially with an impressive partial list as above! FIV Sox is getting .50 mL once a day. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG I've been giving Dexter .25 mL of DMG twice daily, along with his vitamin. It certainly can't hurt! On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
i think that both the aafp and winn feline foundation's papers/guidelines are listed under Management of Retroviruses--if you search the archives, you should find the exact links as i tend to send them often, but i've just moved, and can't even find stuff packed on the computer, no less in boxes. (and the aafp has this nasty little habit of changing link addresses--but their whole site is useful, so i never mind just wandering through all the categories.) to my mind, tho, the fact that the merck uses the same figures that have been long known in our underground is the most important development in years--it's MUCH harder for the 'professionals' to scoff at that. of course, first we have to get them to READ the current merck MC On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Thanks for this, MC, I need references sometimes. This is great. Gloria On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:56 PM, MaryChristine wrote: avia, please tell your vet to look up FeLV in the merck manual The Merck Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases: Introduction http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia , where it states that 70% of exposed healthy adult cats will NOT stay infected even if they do get the virus for awhile--that their immune systems will process the virus out of their systems. you might also want to ask the vet to show you one case of a vaccinated negative cat getting the virus from a positive--many FeLV parents have been looking for that documentation for at least seven years that i know of, and, surprise!--we haven't found it. (we've found cases where cats who were only tested once, not taking the exposure period into consideration, who did test positive after originally testing negative, but NO cases of doubly-tested negative cats who were vaccinated turning positive.) two other good sites for CURRENT information on VETERINARY guidelines for dealing with cats with FeLV (which will give owners accurate info, as well) can be found at the american assn of feline practitioners' site ( www.catvets.com), and at the winn feline foundation's site ( www.winnfelinehealth.org.) sadly, as you are learning, vets are NOT the best source for information on the three Fs: FeLV, FIV and FIP. everyone, go put your vet's name and contact info into belinda's database! www.adopt.bemikitties.com MC , On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM, James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have ordered the Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet (when he gets back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am going to talk to him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about bringing Onyx in when I need to without having to wait weeks for an appointment. I may not be able to, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone here know of a vet in NYC that has a positive approach to managing FelV? Thanks again, Avia Onyx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests (because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone clarify that for me? Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
yes, it is possible for a cat who tests positive on the IFA to test negative later on, but it is MUCH less likely. depends on two things, as far as i can tell, on two things: initially, the same thing that holds for retesting with the ELISSA: it can take up to 120 days for the antigens to the virus to work their way out of the cat's system and after a positive test, to be negative on a second ELISSA test (or on an IFA--they test for the same thing, just in a different form), so if you perform an IFA too soon after an ELISSA, it's just gonna be reacting to the same antigens. that's why we emphasize the need to WAIT for the exposure period to pass--i don't trust a second test until after 120 days, unless i know for sure when the last possible exposure was. in some cases, and this is the research citation i can't find, tho it used to be in an older version of the merck, is that one cat didn't test negative on an IFA until seven or eight months after his first test! we just don't know enough generally, however, if a kitty tests positive on the IFA AFTER the 120-day period, in the vast majority of cases, it will remain positive. just today i started looking for more information that was mentioned in november about the newest research showing that some cats can remain positive without ever progressing to symptoms, AND not remaining contagious. as i say all the time, we just do NOT know enough, because for too many years, the main mode of treatment was euthanasia, which makes it very difficult to do research. you have to have a living population to learn anything, after all. (and yes, it takes up to 120 days for the antigens to show up on the ELISSA/IFA, as well, so a NEGATIVE test doesn't mean a thing either, but look at how few cats who test negative ever end up positive. some do, sadly, but the vast majority never do. ) MC On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:28 PM, James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests (because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone clarify that for me? Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I know there are some who say they have cats that were IFA positive and are now negative, I would say it is a rare thing. The FeLV vaccine has no effect on the ELISA or the IFA test. It is the FIV vaccine that will make a cat test positive for FIV. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests (because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone clarify that for me? Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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gary, it truly has to do with nothing more than the issue of exposure time and time needed for the virus to be neutralized by the body: both the ELISSA and IFA test for antigens, NOT antibodies. test with ifa at same time as ELISSA, and you'll get the same result. test two weeks later, and you'll still probably get a positive result, because you haven't given kitty's system time to have processed the virus out. a positive IFA after 4 months however, is a totally different story--probably high, high 90s chance of being a true positive in that case. but there's a big difference between a retest at two weeks and four months, and that's what we have to emphasize. some research says that you can reliably retest after 30 days, but most says 90 to 120 days. many sanctuaries, and individual FeLV parents, who didn't know that retesting was necessary, have found that their positive cats actually aren't, often upon routine testing years later while trying to rule out something else. you can't trust a single ELISSA, and an IFA run too early is just as inaccurate in that it'll produce the same result. i don't know/understand the science enough to explain why there isn't a test that uses antibodies to confirm or refute positivity with FeLV--in europe, the western blot, which does test for antibodies, is used for FeLV as well as for FIV. anyone know why we don't use that here??? i'm sure there are some specific drawbacks, but if we could test for antibodies to FeLV, we could at least get a definite yes or no MC On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:28 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: I know there are some who say they have cats that were IFA positive and are now negative, I would say it is a rare thing. The FeLV vaccine has no effect on the ELISA or the IFA test. It is the FIV vaccine that will make a cat test positive for FIV. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests (because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone clarify that for me? Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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avia, please tell your vet to look up FeLV in the merck manual The Merck Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases: Introductionhttp://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia, where it states that 70% of exposed healthy adult cats will NOT stay infected even if they do get the virus for awhile--that their immune systems will process the virus out of their systems. you might also want to ask the vet to show you one case of a vaccinated negative cat getting the virus from a positive--many FeLV parents have been looking for that documentation for at least seven years that i know of, and, surprise!--we haven't found it. (we've found cases where cats who were only tested once, not taking the exposure period into consideration, who did test positive after originally testing negative, but NO cases of doubly-tested negative cats who were vaccinated turning positive.) two other good sites for CURRENT information on VETERINARY guidelines for dealing with cats with FeLV (which will give owners accurate info, as well) can be found at the american assn of feline practitioners' site ( www.catvets.com), and at the winn feline foundation's site ( www.winnfelinehealth.org.) sadly, as you are learning, vets are NOT the best source for information on the three Fs: FeLV, FIV and FIP. everyone, go put your vet's name and contact info into belinda's database! www.adopt.bemikitties.com MC , On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM, James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.comwrote: Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have ordered the Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet (when he gets back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am going to talk to him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about bringing Onyx in when I need to without having to wait weeks for an appointment. I may not be able to, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone here know of a vet in NYC that has a positive approach to managing FelV? Thanks again, Avia Onyx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for this, MC, I need references sometimes. This is great. Gloria On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:56 PM, MaryChristine wrote: avia, please tell your vet to look up FeLV in the merck manual The Merck Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases: Introductionhttp://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia , where it states that 70% of exposed healthy adult cats will NOT stay infected even if they do get the virus for awhile--that their immune systems will process the virus out of their systems. you might also want to ask the vet to show you one case of a vaccinated negative cat getting the virus from a positive--many FeLV parents have been looking for that documentation for at least seven years that i know of, and, surprise!--we haven't found it. (we've found cases where cats who were only tested once, not taking the exposure period into consideration, who did test positive after originally testing negative, but NO cases of doubly-tested negative cats who were vaccinated turning positive.) two other good sites for CURRENT information on VETERINARY guidelines for dealing with cats with FeLV (which will give owners accurate info, as well) can be found at the american assn of feline practitioners' site ( www.catvets.com), and at the winn feline foundation's site ( www.winnfelinehealth.org.) sadly, as you are learning, vets are NOT the best source for information on the three Fs: FeLV, FIV and FIP. everyone, go put your vet's name and contact info into belinda's database! www.adopt.bemikitties.com MC , On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM, James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.comwrote: Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have ordered the Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet (when he gets back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am going to talk to him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about bringing Onyx in when I need to without having to wait weeks for an appointment. I may not be able to, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone here know of a vet in NYC that has a positive approach to managing FelV? Thanks again, Avia Onyx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive. The brief search I did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different donors, etc., very expensive. It is a therapy use that has been tried on many different things for humans and I guess some animals. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? They may have meant immunoregulin...rather than immunoglobulins? Gloria On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:44 PM, gary wrote: The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct. I seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become positive. It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have should keep them fairly safe. There are, of course, no guarantees. I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it. I am presently using Moducare. I don't think any of us has any scientific proof as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough study, so we do what we feel will help. As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention that here or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else. I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be waiting a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old positives. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What do you know about it in relation to FELV? Gloria On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:51 AM, gary wrote: They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive. The brief search I did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different donors, etc., very expensive. It is a therapy use that has been tried on many different things for humans and I guess some animals. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? They may have meant immunoregulin...rather than immunoglobulins? Gloria On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:44 PM, gary wrote: The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct. I seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become positive. It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have should keep them fairly safe. There are, of course, no guarantees. I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it. I am presently using Moducare. I don't think any of us has any scientific proof as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough study, so we do what we feel will help. As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention that here or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else. I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be waiting a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old positives. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Not much of anything but while doing a little searching I found a couple of interesting links. All the research is pretty old (1980s) and I have heard that once the vaccine was developed they stopped doing other research. http://www.felineleukemia.info/staphproteinacowan1.htm and http://books.google.com/books?id=GVtdtOsIsAUCpg=PA362lpg=PA362dq=immunogl obulins+for+FeLV+treatmentsource=blots=7Xp6iTaKOcsig=XkTBY31e2zYN3r2Jnmrq MMOBwRA#PPA367,M1 The one above has some interesting reading on pages 360 to 363. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? What do you know about it in relation to FELV? Gloria On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:51 AM, gary wrote: They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive. The brief search I did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different donors, etc., very expensive. It is a therapy use that has been tried on many different things for humans and I guess some animals. Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have ordered the Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet (when he gets back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am going to talk to him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about bringing Onyx in when I need to without having to wait weeks for an appointment. I may not be able to, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone here know of a vet in NYC that has a positive approach to managing FelV? Thanks again, Avia Onyx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Avia! I am the other person you talked to. :) The Vetri-DMG was given to Tommy by his holistic vet, along with the homeopathic antiviral. Will it get rid of the FeLV? I have no idea. All I can say is that I've talked to others who had cats test positive initially, and then negative after treating them holistically. I can also say that Tommy is perfectly healthy. However, I do not know at this point if he is positive or negative. He won't die from FeLV itself, but rather from secondary illnesses. My goal is to keep him and my other cats as healthy as possible. Hope that helps. :) Lisa On Sat 04/04/09 8:28 PM , James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com sent: One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [1] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org [2] Links: -- [1] mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [2] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My FeLV cat was put on Interferon, injected daily, but he had too many complications and the injections were started too late to make a difference but the vet did take what I had left to use on a healthy positive cat they had in their care. It's an immune booster and I think could be beneficial in keeping a positive cat healthy. My nephew who is undergoing chemo/radiation therapy for Hodgkin's lymphoma has to give himself injections daily, so if it's used for cancer patients, I see no reason not to give it to FeLV cats. I don't know what to say about rehoming your negatives but those vets seem quite negative. I don't see how an immunized cat can become positive and unless your cats are fighting and biting, I wouldn't be too worried. Lynne - Original Message - From: James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3988 (20090404) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Oh my, get new vets. Dixie was on interferon and lots of supplements (mostly from a holistic vet). Her quality of life for three years was marvelous. I wish mine was as high. She ate very high quality food + chopped veggies high in C iron etc. Please remember that everyone dies and everyone dies from something. We are not guaranteed a second more of life and must enjoy the time we have. You are blessed with Onyx and other cats. Enjoy their days and yours. Put the calendar in the trash. On Apr 4, 2009, at 7:28 PM, James Rauscher wrote: One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct. I seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become positive. It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have should keep them fairly safe. There are, of course, no guarantees. I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it. I am presently using Moducare. I don't think any of us has any scientific proof as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough study, so we do what we feel will help. As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention that here or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else. I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be waiting a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old positives. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
Also nice to know, about the Vetri-DMG. I'll have to try that. I use interferon alpha. Have used it daily, some suggest using it 3 days on and 3 off; also 7 days on and 7 off is another protocol. I believe that most healthy adult cats, vaccinated or not, have immune systems that will successfully repel the FELV virus. Gloria On Apr 4, 2009, at 7:28 PM, James Rauscher wrote: One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
They may have meant immunoregulin...rather than immunoglobulins? Gloria On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:44 PM, gary wrote: The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct. I seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become positive. It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have should keep them fairly safe. There are, of course, no guarantees. I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it. I am presently using Moducare. I don't think any of us has any scientific proof as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough study, so we do what we feel will help. As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention that here or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else. I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be waiting a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old positives. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Ember and Wellness DMG
Lance, Fabulous news about Ember feeling her old self again! Hooray! You didn't even have to cook her a turkey! I've heard about DMG, in fact I gave it to my positives for a while. I don't have any experience with Wellness WellDefense. I remember there was a precaution about an ingredient, or additive to avoid when selecting DMG, but off hand can't remember what it was. I could probably look it up for you. I'm sure I posted about it to the list. If you can't find it by doing a search on DMG in the archives, let me know. Nina Lance wrote: Ember is back to her normal self. I'm not sure what caused her digestive problems. Lots of prayers and love undoubtedly brought her back to health. I did not give her the flagyl. As long as I can avoid using antibiotics on her, I will. Does anyone have experience with the Wellness WellDefense DMG chewable tablets? Prayers for Samantha, MK, Hannibal, Bandy and all of our feline friends. God bless you all. Lance
Ember and Wellness DMG
Ember is back to her normal self. I'm not sure what caused her digestive problems. Lots of prayers and love undoubtedly brought her back to health. I did not give her the flagyl. As long as I can avoid using antibiotics on her, I will. Does anyone have experience with the Wellness WellDefense DMG chewable tablets? Prayers for Samantha, MK, Hannibal, Bandy and all of our feline friends. God bless you all. Lance
Re: Ember and Wellness DMG
Lance I am so glad that Ember is feeling better and is her normal self. Sherry P.S. THANK YOU!!Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ember is back to her normal self. I'm not sure what caused her digestive problems. Lots of prayers and love undoubtedly brought her back to health. I did not give her the flagyl. As long as I can avoid using antibiotics on her, I will.Does anyone have experience with the Wellness WellDefense DMG chewable tablets?Prayers for Samantha, MK, Hannibal, Bandy and all of our feline friends. God bless you all.Lance How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: patty/dmg
thanks so much, patty!my friend sent me the tablets should i just not use them and order the liquid? the dosing part did seem kind of skewed... "up to 40 pounds = i 125mg tablet'" yikes! minne is is about 6-7 pounds!!! that might be a little excessive, eh?thanks for the link! you are a gem for sharing!LJ
Re: patty/dmg
In a message dated 2/10/06 7:44:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: thanks so much, patty! my friend sent me the tablets should i just not use them and order the liquid? the dosing part did seem kind of skewed... "up to 40 pounds = i 125mg tablet'" yikes! minne is is about 6-7 pounds!!! that might be a little excessive, eh? thanks for the link! you are a gem for sharing! LJ LJ~ Hopefully you're better at math than I am right now. (Still on medication for cracked ribs torn rotator cuffs), so bear with me here, ok? According to website, the DMG liquid is 100mg. per ml. ! dropper one that comes w/ liquid)= 5 mg. Reccommended liquid dosage for cats = .5 ml. The tablets are 125 mg. each. reccommended dose (up to 40 lbs) =1 tablet, which would be 125 mg. So, if my brain was not so fuzzy from medication, the conversion would be simple to do a comparison If you can do the conversions from mg. to ml., you'd have a better idea of how closely the tablets are in comparison to liquid As I said before, we used the liquid for the cats, and the tabs for the dogs. So, with proper conversion, you can most likely use the tabs til you can get the liquid. Hope I haven't confused you more...I really should be in bed. My favorite place for natural foods supplements is www.onlynaturalpet.com They even guarantee price matches...if you find it cheaper somewhere else, they will meet that price. Great company, great CS, and a HUGE selection of products... Let me know how you make out. I'm a;ready halfway to "light-out". Good Night! Patti
Re: dmg for seizure control
Nina~ My Rottie took me for another walk, and, yep, I ended up flat down on the ground, being dragged. Re-injured my poor ribs OUCH! Just took my medication, so I am "too fuzzy" to write, but WILL write sans painkillers all about DMG the success stories we've had using it. Meanwhile, my bed is calling. Hugs (Gentle, or OUCH!!!), Patti
dmg
Hey peeps...has anyone used DMG as a suppliment to boost the immune system?i received some from a friend ( couldn't find any around here ) and wasn't sure about dosages and or ways to administer...these are 125 mg tablets in foil packs...many thanks and please know i keep all the kitlets in my prayers...LJ
Re: DMG tablets - Kerry
In a message dated 1/24/06 10:07:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The DMG that I got was tasteless, melt in your mouth type stuff, just like the homeopathics. I remember something about having to be careful about it being "pure", no additives, binders, or excipients. The brand I bought was "Foodscience" 125 mg. I'm going to start adding it to Starman's food too. Best variety 1 ORIGINALurchased is Vetri_Science labs, sub-lingual tabs... Patti'
DMG tablets-Kerry
Kerry, Did you ever get the DMG tablets? What dosage do you give? :) Wendy --- Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My Bandy has anemia...and is Felv and FIV+. I have given him alot of things since Aug..so I don't really know what is working...I know something must be though. I really try to make sure he gets Co Q10 once a day..10mg..and for sure on all meals bovine colostrum. It is a very good immune stimulant that someone told me about at the FIV group...The CoQ10 helps with oxygen utilization as my heart kitty needs this too...I buy supplement from onlynaturalpet.com...they have some really good ones that have met most of Bandy's needs.. I give him folic acid which I bought at the health food store..800mcg...I sprinkle it on his food...so 1 capsule will last all day...You don't want to over do it so I figure since 2 other kitties eat with Bandy, they are all getting some...His PCV was up this last time. He had been on folic acid about 2 weeks prior to his last blood work.. I am going to start him on DMG tablets next week...to see if that won't help, too..I forget who told me about it. It supports the immune system, promotes oxygen utilization, improves cardio function, supports liver function and supports ocular health...Since I have a heart kitty, too...I try to keep the supplements that will benefit both of them...They are best buddies (eat and sleep together) I had Little Rascal checked, too when I found out about Bandy's 2 viruses and Lil Rascal is negative for both...So who knows about all that either... Hope this helps some, Good luck with your kitty, kerry and bandy - Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: DMG tablets - Kerry
Hi Wendy, Yes, I have them, but I still haven't started Bandy on them yet..I am thinking about doing it now...Just been afraid to add too much stuff all at once as I do want him to continue to eat well.. The ones I got are by vetri-science Vetri-DMG 125mg. 1 tablet daily. Someone else told me to try this, so I think I will see if it makes a difference as he goes for blood work the first of Feb.. Kerry and Bandy Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail.
Re: DMG tablets - Kerry
Kerry, I added DMG for a while. I didn't see any noticeable difference, but then we weren't doing blood work on a regular basis. The DMG that I got was tasteless, melt in your mouth type stuff, just like the homeopathics. I remember something about having to be careful about it being "pure", no additives, binders, or excipients. The brand I bought was "Foodscience" 125 mg. I'm going to start adding it to Starman's food too. I'll let you guys know if it helps. Nina Kerry Roach wrote: Hi Wendy, Yes, I have them, but I still haven't started Bandy on them yet..I am thinking about doing it now...Just been afraid to add too much stuff all at once as I do want him to continue to eat well.. The ones I got are by vetri-science Vetri-DMG 125mg. 1 tablet daily. Someone else told me to try this, so I think I will see if it makes a difference as he goes for blood work the first of Feb.. Kerry and Bandy Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail.
