Re: [Felvtalk] New

[Edna Taylor]

You're welcome Joslin.  I told someone recently that even with the "healthy" 
cats, we have no guarantees.  As with people, their life expectancy is unknown 
to us.   I have seen people drop dead of a heart attack at 35 years old and 
others live to well into their 90s.  
 
Shtinky was one of our first rescued kitties and last December, at 14 years old 
and with no warning and no prior illness, he had a stroke and we had to let him 
go the next day.  Another example was Domino, he was a kitten we adopted right 
before we adopted Shtinky and at 3 years old he knocked over a pot of liquid 
cinnamon potpourri, got it on his fur, licked it off and then had second degree 
chemical burns in his mouth, throat and lungs.  He lived for another year and 
then died on my birthday the next year.  So, I guess what I am saying is, 
cherish the time you have together, don't worry about what will happen tomorrow 
because they are in our lives for such a short time but in our hearts forever.
 
Edna
 
> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:11:07 -0700
> From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for that Edna, I really do hope that my cat can live a long & 
> healthy 
> life like your cat, so many people are negative nellies about being that 
> optimistic, but I'm glad to here it does! He sounds like he had the best of 
> his 
> days on the lake, we let ours go out by the pool and lay around... he loves 
> chashing frogs lately! For the first time he seems to have that spunk back... 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Edna Taylor 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 10:26:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New
> 
> 
> My first Feluk kitty (well, only one that was actually MY cat) lived to be 16 
> years old and we never gave him anything special in the way of food and/or 
> vitamins.  We fed him Purina dry and some canned food (this was 20 years ago 
> so 
> we didn't know a lot about Feluk at the time) and he was a happy, healthy 
> kitty 
> up until he passed away.  We found him when he was 10 and he tested positive. 
>  
> We kept him inside for the most part until we moved to the lake and because 
> we 
> were right on the water, we would let him go in the backyard while we were 
> outside.
> 
> I am sure others here have MUCH more knowledge than I do and I bow to their 
> wisdom.
> 
> Edna
> 
> > From: kristinsc...@hotmail.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:14:46 -0500
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] New
> > 
> > 
> > Hello there,
> > 
> > I am new to this group. My cat Bodie was diagnosed with FELV on Monday, he 
> > is 
> >nine months old. I don't have much knowledge about this disease and hope 
> >that 
> >maybe some of you can help to inform me. My first question is how long do 
> >cats 
> >with Felv live? Some websites said a couple of years and some said they can 
> >live 
> >a full life. How long have your cats lived? To my knowledge there are no 
> >meds 
> >out there, right?? As far as vitamins or food, would you have any 
> >suggestions. I 
> >know that it is important to keep his immune system up. Right now Bodies is 
> >healthy and very energetic. He has an eye infection that is clearing up, 
> >other 
> >than that you would have no idea that he is sick. I feel a very overwhelmed 
> >and 
> >scared. I would love to hear some tips and info for a newbie. Thank you all 
> >so 
> >much.
> > 
> > Kristin 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.

[Edna Taylor]

I am so sorry for your loss.
 
Edna
 

 
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:54:05 -0700
> From: aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.
> 
> Murphy has passed to the bridge tonight to join Buster, Oni, Jack and 
> Schatzi-Rosie's 4 brothers that passed last year. He was 2 1/2. Glenn and I 
> saw 
> in his eyes tonight that he was tired. He gave it all he had but in the end 
> FeLV 
> took him too.We will miss him so much-he filled the house with his incredible 
> personality. He always ran to the door to greet everyone-he never knew a 
> stranger. I will miss his big, poly-dactyl feet going clickity-click around 
> the 
> house and how he could leap up the wall and turn the light switch off and on 
> when he chased the laser toy. Rosie will miss giving him vampire kisses-she's 
> a 
> tough love kinda girl and she is the last Mohican of the 6 FeLV+ kitties we 
> began this journey with. Thanks to all of you for your kindness and caring. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] question about grooming

[Edna Taylor]

Purchase the Furminator - works GREAT :)
 
> From: del...@q.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:11:12 +
> Subject: [Felvtalk] question about grooming
> 
> 
> I adopted Spicey about a yr ago knowing he has FL. Over the year he has not 
> shown any symptoms, my vet said to not take him in as to not stress him. He 
> is almost 6 & has had FL all his life. I feel very blessed that he hasn't any 
> symptoms. But my problem is his grooming. He is main coon mix with lots of 
> fur. He grooms himself, but not enough. He has many mats & his nails need to 
> be cut. He doesn't like to be picked up & I am afraid to cut his nails ot 
> trim his mats. Any suggestions/ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks from Joyce & Spicey 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion

[Edna Taylor]

You can give cats children's Benadryl (ONLY .10 (one/tenth) of a cc) or if you 
have access to a nebulizer, those are great too.
 
> From: msk...@me.com
> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:37:33 +0900
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion
> 
> As I wrote in my previous post on mixing, my little kitty is extremely 
> congested. The vet has given him antibiotics and anti-inflammatory medicine, 
> but since he isn't too interested in eating, I am having trouble getting them 
> into him. I have very limited access to medications or natural remedies 
> unless they are homemade using easily accessible ingredients. I read 
> something about saline drops or using children's Afrin. Does anyone have any 
> suggestions?
> 
> Thank you,
> Melinda and VooDoo
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death

[Edna Taylor]

Frank and I have holographic wills (legal and binding in Texas) and we leave 
everything, house and insurance policies to our two friends who are also in 
animal rescue and if, for any reason they cannot move in and take care of our 
cats, our cats are to NEVER go to a shelter, we would rather them be put down 
then go into a shelter and an uncertain future :(
 
> From: lauriesk...@mchsi.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:32:54 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
> 
> 
> Great idea.I can't do that with my house because my husband co owns it (and
> has kids) but I gave my vehicle to the trust (so the cats can get to the
> guardian who lives in another state) and also a lump sum so the guardian can
> add on to their house. I made the requirements for ongoing reimbursement
> VERY loose for the guardian's ease.
> L
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Saunders
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:17 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
> 
> 
> Have you considered setting up a trust and including the house in the trust.
> 
>  
> 
> --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Natalie  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Natalie 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 5:47 AM
> 
> 
> We had actually set up a Foundation, but now find that we will change it to
> a Fund instead.  Advice from lawyers was non-existent, I had to find out the
> hard way.  We are also thinking of leaving the house to someone who would
> continue the work, but again - how does one trust someone to do that - and
> who should oversee it - it's not easy. What really gets to me, as a rescuer,
> is how relatives of someone who dies could just ignore their pets, whether
> it's one or many!  I get those calls, and always ask "your mother, aunt,
> uncle, etc. loved the pet(s), don't you feel some kind of responsibility to
> care for them?  It falls on dead ears.  When my mother died, I couldn't take
> her cats because they were elderly, used to their spaces, some very skittish
> rescues...I tried contacting Chicago rescue groups, not to place them, but
> to see if anyone there might be interested in taking care of them.  Two
> young women and a man from a well-known group (Treehouse) happened to be at
> a conference on the East Coast, and came to be interviewed. All seemed fine,
> until he found out that there was a basement and that he could play his
> drums thereneed I say more? Through a friend, I found a woman who had
> her own 12 cats and needed to move - bingo!  There's only one cat left now,
> and I could easily bring him here, but at almost 18, Arsenio is too old, and
> I might as well wait until he dies without disrupting his life. I also
> contacted veterinarians in the area.  The thing to watch for is someone who
> wants free boarding and may not take good care of the animals.  There must
> be someone to oversee them, too - but who?  A lawyer who doesn't know squat
> about cat care?  We have the cats and dog in our will, but there are so many
> details to think of, and you know that something will be forgotten! Whenever
> I get a call from someone whose relative died, all of this comes into focus
> again.  And I don't have all the answers.  Maybe we could all pool our
> thoughts on this
> Natalie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:58 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
> 
> 
> Lorrie, that is something I lay awake at night worrying about myself...not
> only my own cats, but the ferals I have TNR'd and care forin July I was
> hospitalized for almost three weeksthank goodness my husband was able to
> care for them (well, as much as he could)but I hesitate to do any more
> rescue work because I am not a spring chicken any more...and who will take
> them if and when I die?  Some of my cats came from very bad places and have
> trust issuesmost are not very friendly to strangersand I don't make
> the kind of money where I can provide a lot even IF I could find someone I
> could trust...I'm not sure there is a perfect solutionwe just do the
> best we can.
> 
> Debbie 
> ~ When the world says, "Give up," hope whispers, "Try it one more time" ~ 
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 06:56:11 -0500
> > From: felineres...@kvinet.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
> > 
> > My parents left me enough money to comfortably provide for 
> > all my cats, BUT the question that concerns me is WHO will
> > care for them? I have three grown kids and grown grandkids
> > and all

Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats

[Edna Taylor]

When I clean house I always have the boom box on and a couple of my cats love 
the loud music so I pick them up and dance with them and they just 
purrr and pu :)  Crazy cats :)
 
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:58:11 -0500
> From: felineres...@kvinet.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats
> 
> On 12-26, Katy Doyle wrote:
> 
> > This might sound silly, but I sing to my cats. Like when I'm taming
> > and socializing feral kittens... It seems to work and I have fun
> > :-)
> 
> It's good to know I'm not the only one who makes up silly little 
> songs to sing to my cats :-) 
> 
> Lorrie
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats

[Edna Taylor]

HA HA HA :)  
 
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:03:00 -0800
> From: emeraldkit...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats
> 
> we do this too! :)  I also have one kitty who loves Pilates dvd workouts and 
> watches them; another who loves the Three Stoges.
> 
> --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Edna Taylor  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Edna Taylor 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:18 AM
> 
> 
> 
> When I clean house I always have the boom box on and a couple of my cats love 
> the loud music so I pick them up and dance with them and they just 
> purrr and pu :)  Crazy cats :)
> 
> > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:58:11 -0500
> > From: felineres...@kvinet.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats
> > 
> > On 12-26, Katy Doyle wrote:
> > 
> > > This might sound silly, but I sing to my cats. Like when I'm taming
> > > and socializing feral kittens... It seems to work and I have fun
> > > :-)
> > 
> > It's good to know I'm not the only one who makes up silly little 
> > songs to sing to my cats :-) 
> > 
> > Lorrie
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

[Edna Taylor]

My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16 weeks)
 
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
> From: athenapities...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> 
> Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, age
> doesn't matter.
> 
> --Katy
> 
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck <
> jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
> > neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at
> > a gas station).
> > We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
> > neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
> > He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.
> >
> > Thanks for any replies,
> >
> > Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] not getting any emails

[Edna Taylor]

I have not seen any if a few days either
 
Edna
 
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:22:30 -0800
> From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] not getting any emails
> 
> Hey everyone,
> I haven't seem any posts come to my in box in several days and was just 
> wondering if I am for some reason now banned or if there just haven't been 
> any at all. If anyone has gotten any the last couple of days or if they see 
> this will they please respond?
> Thanks,
> Tanya
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.

[Edna Taylor]

What a beautiful baby.  I am so sorry for your loss :(
 
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 12:57:03 -0800
> From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.
> 
> Thank you so much for sharing the video of Tweezer. What a sweet beautiful 
> boy. How lucky he was to have you & you him.
> 
> Beth
> 
> Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org  
> 
> --- On Fri, 2/4/11, Frank & Sue Koren  wrote:
> 
> From: Frank & Sue Koren 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.
> To: "FeLV talk" 
> Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 8:05 PM
> 
> Tweezer lost his battle with this horrible disease this afternoon.  He had
> an aggressive lymphoma so there was no hope that he would get better or that
> he could even be made more comfortable.  He crashed at the beginning of this
> week and was having spasms that were making it very difficult for him to
> eat, drink or even to stand.  He has been very unhappy and scared all week
> long.  
> 
> When I took Tweezer in he was extremely malnourished and had worms, ear
> mites, goopy eyes and an upper respiratory infection.  As his health
> improved he became such a happy cat!  He was so happy to be alive, he always
> wanted to play and be loved.  This is a you-tube link to a video I took of
> him a few months ago.  He would come to me and ask me to come and play with
> him and then lead me to the toys.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/user/katlover13100#p/a/u/2/xXvteShI_Ig
> 
> 
> 
> Rest in peace my darling Tweezer.  My heart is breaking but at least there
> is no feline leukemia where you are now.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

[Edna Taylor]

There is a place in the Houston area and I have first hand knowledge of what a 
horrid place this is, yet people still take their cats there.  It is called Cat 
Nap Estates and IN MY OPINION, the woman running it should not care for potted 
plants.  I had her hold two feral cats for a couple of months while we were 
moving and our house was being built.  They went completely vetted, yet they 
came back with a litney of illnesses and so terrified.  The vet said she didn't 
think the female was ever let out of her carrier because it stunk so badly they 
had to throw it away.  I called the SPCA and made a cruelty report and some of 
the cats tested positive for Feluk and these cats were in the general 
population.  I have heard other horror stories about her and her "sanctuary" 
from others too.
 
She may have started out with good intentions, but the road to h*ll is paved 
with good intentions.
 
 
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800
> From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
> 
> This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out "Sanctuaries" This happens 
> time & again. 
> 
> Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> kitty.cat
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM
> To: 
> spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com; atlanta Rescue Groups
> Cc: 
> georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats 
> Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 
> AM
> Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
> 
> >A PETA 
> undercover investigation exposed the chronic deprivation and 
> >suffering 
> of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy, stifling, 
> >dungeon-like, 
> disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal 
> >Sanctuary (SVAS) in 
> Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
> >
> > The operator of this so-called 
> "sanctuary" warehouses cats in 
> > cruel, disgusting 
> conditions. Many of the animals have endured these 
> > conditions for 
> years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found 
> > convulsing and dying 
> in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused 
> > repeated offers for 
> free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky 
> > in a filthy 
> bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the cat 
> > finally 
> died.
> >
> > Please click the link below to help end the suffering and 
> death of cats at 
> > SVAS now!
> >
> > To take action on this 
> issue, click on the link below:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

[Edna Taylor]

I was thinking the same thing
 
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:36:23 -0700
> From: sin...@sbcglobal.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
> 
> Sorry but that information is outdated or biased. 
> 
> The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or construction 
> for 
> same.
> 
> Humans: The Number One Threat to Birds
> http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=325
> 
> SomeWhere Sam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Bonnie Hogue 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 2:37:38 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
> 
> In the newspaper today:
> 
> House cats are the #1 predator of wild birds. The American Bird Conservancy 
> estimates up to 500 million birds per year are killed by cats. About 400,000 
> are killed yearly by wind turbines (less than 20% of the number killed by 
> cats). So now we have another reason to keep our cats indoors -- not only for 
> their own health and safety, but for that of our BIRD population!
> Save the cats and the birds: Keep Your Cat Indoors!
> ~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

[Edna Taylor]

Just because your kid likes to eat McDonald's every day or binge drink or do 
drugs because it makes them happy is NOT a reason to allow it.  The same 
reasoning goes for cats, just because they LIKE it doesn't mean it's good for 
them.  My cats may be "prisoners" in my house but I sleep well at night knowing 
they are loved and safe and from what I can tell, they are pretty freakin 
happy.  I have picked up enough broken and battered bodies off the roadways to 
know that NONE of my cats or fosters will EVER be allowed outside unless it is 
in a safe enclosure or on a leash.  

There was a young "individual" (can't call him a man because real men do not 
torture animals) in Dallas that took his neighbor's inside/outside cat and over 
a course of several hours beat and tortured the cat and video taped the entire 
thing.  THAT is what happens to outdoor cats.  While some may be lucky enough 
to escape being tortured, hit by cars, eaten by coyotes or hawks or owls, most 
do not escape this fate.
 
Sorry but I 100% DISAGREE with "cats are wild animals and need to live outside" 
point of view.
 
Just my 2 cents.
 
Edna
 
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:13:09 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
> 
> As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined - I am
> responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I would do no
> less. I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that the cats that I
> rescued and invested so much time, energy, and emotion will be safe and
> happy for a long time.
> Yes, I agree, there still are a few safe area left, but not many and none
> are 100% safe, ever. It is true that times used to be safer for cats to be
> outdoors - ours always had been, especially when I was growing up, until one
> of our kittens was killed by a carUnfortunately, it takes many people to
> understand this only after a tragedy occurs. When an adopter tells me that
> their cat ALWAYS sat on the front porch, and never leftand they intend
> to do the same with a new adopted cat, I say NO! Their old cat may have
> indeed done that, but it doesn't mean that a new cat will do it: It takes
> ONLY ONE TIME - chasing a squirrel or bird across the street, and WHAM!
> Cats can be perfectly happy indoors with tall cat trees by a window, a
> window perch, the right kind of toys to keep them interested and active.
> More and more people construct outdoor enclosures; simple ones to really
> elaborate ones, even just a little window screened porch. I don't believe
> that cats need to hunt; if they are homeless and hungry, yes, but there's no
> need for a well-fed cat to kill small wildlife, not for food, but for fun
> and the reflex of chasing something (could be a toy). 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:56 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
> 
> This is a hot topic, but I agree humans and loss of habitat
> are the main threat to birds. 
> 
> As for keeping cats inside. I've had cats all my life and they
> have always been indoor/outdoor cats. All of them have lived to
> 16 to 17 years of age unless they've had some genetic problem like
> heart disease. My cats were all rescues and they lived outside
> before I had them, and they are totally miserable inside. 
> 
> It's really only the last couple decades that cats have been living
> indoors, but the invention of cat litter and urban sprawl have made
> us think all cats have the perfect life indoors, when in reality,
> cats are happier if they can live outdoors. They are programmed to
> hunt small animalswhich is the best nutrition for them. They need
> to climb trees, stalk at night with their night vision, and be free.
> Cats were not made for sitting in a window sill, and a prison is a
> prison no matter how many cat toys and kitty kondos we buy for them.
> 
> It's true that some outdoor cats have a shorter life expectancy, but
> this mostly depends on where they live. If they live in a safe area
> with little or no traffic then I feel they should be allowed to be
> outside. There are some cats who will never willingly settle for the
> indoor life. We live in the middle of the woods on a dead end road
> with no traffic and our cats are allowed to go outside. I rarely see
> them catch a bird, but they catch many mice & moles. I feel sad to
> see anything killed, but cats and dogs are predators and this is what
> they were designed to do.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> 
> > Sorry but that information is outdated or biased. The number one 
> > killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or construction for same.
> 
> > > Humans: The Number One Threat to Birds
> > > http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=325
> > > 
> > > SomeWhere Sam
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

[Edna Taylor]

OMG, can someone PLEASE go hit that woman in the head with a tack hammer?  
Studs is in my thoughts and prayers.  I think this goes without saying but are 
you putting the transporter on a "DO NOT USE" list?
 
Please let us know how Studs is doing.

Edna
 
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:23:13 -0700
> From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please
> 
> I was supposed to have a new FeLV kitty "Studs" aka "Stud Muffin" last night, 
> but the lady who was transporting him left him in a carrier in her carport 
> with no food or water all day. I live in Atlanta & it has been hot. He had to 
> be treated for severe dehydration & is currently at the vet. They also 
> discovered he had a severe heart murmur, so they are going to check to see if 
> that can me managed with meds or if it is too late. He is apparently a total 
> love bug. My favorite kind of cat - big black short haired cat with green 
> eyes. 
> 
> Beth
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> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

[Edna Taylor]

Natalie,  I am with you about the declawing.  Someone I know adopted two 
kittens from me and one died on the table during a declaw surgery.  Yes, I HAD 
told her before hand "NO declawing" but people don't listen and they always 
know best, yadda yadda :(  Then they wonder why Buster is peeing on the bed and 
the floor because his paws hurt so badly from the surgery.  SIGH :(
 
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:55:49 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
> 
> Edna, that's exactly what I tell people about letting their cats out just
> because they want to. I ask them if they would allow their 3-yr old to play
> in the middle of the street just because he/she wanted to? When I hear "but
> the cat gets out", I tell them that they control the door, period! Our
> adoption contract stipulates "strictly indoors" - but, there's no real way
> of enforcing it except to spot check wherever the cats live and hope that
> adopters understand the reasons for it. I have removed several adopted cats
> over the past 18 years. A friend, who also has a cat rescue group, doesn’t
> allow declawing (we don't either), came to her vet, and noticed one of her
> adopters picking up her cat after spayingshe looked into the carrier and
> noticed the poor kittens front paws bandaged.she gave her an earful, but
> what was she to do, take the cat back and have this person declaw yet
> another one? Since then, we made it perfectly clear to that veterinary
> hospital that no cat that was adopted from us can be declawed, and should a
> customer ask for it, we must be notified immediately! Thank God that my
> other veterinarian would never declaw!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:40 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
> 
> 
> Just because your kid likes to eat McDonald's every day or binge drink or do
> drugs because it makes them happy is NOT a reason to allow it.  The same
> reasoning goes for cats, just because they LIKE it doesn't mean it's good
> for them.  My cats may be "prisoners" in my house but I sleep well at night
> knowing they are loved and safe and from what I can tell, they are pretty
> freakin happy.  I have picked up enough broken and battered bodies off the
> roadways to know that NONE of my cats or fosters will EVER be allowed
> outside unless it is in a safe enclosure or on a leash.  
> 
> There was a young "individual" (can't call him a man because real men do not
> torture animals) in Dallas that took his neighbor's inside/outside cat and
> over a course of several hours beat and tortured the cat and video taped the
> entire thing.  THAT is what happens to outdoor cats.  While some may be
> lucky enough to escape being tortured, hit by cars, eaten by coyotes or
> hawks or owls, most do not escape this fate.
> 
> Sorry but I 100% DISAGREE with "cats are wild animals and need to live
> outside" point of view.
> 
> Just my 2 cents.
> 
> Edna
> 
> > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:13:09 -0400
> > From: at...@optonline.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
> > 
> > As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined - I am
> > responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I would do
> no
> > less. I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that the cats that I
> > rescued and invested so much time, energy, and emotion will be safe and
> > happy for a long time.
> > Yes, I agree, there still are a few safe area left, but not many and none
> > are 100% safe, ever. It is true that times used to be safer for cats to be
> > outdoors - ours always had been, especially when I was growing up, until
> one
> > of our kittens was killed by a carUnfortunately, it takes many people
> to
> > understand this only after a tragedy occurs. When an adopter tells me that
> > their cat ALWAYS sat on the front porch, and never leftand they intend
> > to do the same with a new adopted cat, I say NO! Their old cat may have
> > indeed done that, but it doesn't mean that a new cat will do it: It takes
> > ONLY ONE TIME - chasing a squirrel or bird across the street, and WHAM!
> > Cats can be perfectly happy indoors with tall cat trees by a window, a
> > window perch, the right kind of toys to keep them interested and active.
> > More and more people construct outdoor enclosures; simple on

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please

[Edna Taylor]

I knew it was good for people but I did not know that you could give it to 
kitties too?  Thanks for the info ;)

Edna
 
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:16:02 -0700
> From: cline...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please
> 
> So sorry for poor Studs.  Hopefully he'll be better after getting fluids at 
> the vet.  CoQ10 is great for any heart kitty.  
>  
> Hope he is home with you soon
> Sharyl  
> 
> --- On Wed, 3/23/11, Beth  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Beth 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please
> To: "FeLV Talk" 
> Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 12:23 PM
> 
> 
> I was supposed to have a new FeLV kitty "Studs" aka "Stud Muffin" last night, 
> but the lady who was transporting him left him in a carrier in her carport 
> with no food or water all day. I live in Atlanta & it has been hot. He had to 
> be treated for severe dehydration & is currently at the vet. They also 
> discovered he had a severe heart murmur, so they are going to check to see if 
> that can me managed with meds or if it is too late. He is apparently a total 
> love bug. My favorite kind of cat - big black short haired cat with green 
> eyes. 
> 
> Beth
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws

[Edna Taylor]

You just can't fix STUPID.
 
> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:17:59 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws
> 
> Not only that, they allowed those cats to go out and one of them was
> attacked by a pack of dogs...huge vet bill! The cat recuperated pretty
> well, and then baby came
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:30 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws
> 
> Wow, what a bunch of D.A.s! Like my mama always said, "Stupid people
> shouldn't breed." They should have found a GOOD home for the cats and
> euthanized themselves.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:50 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws
> 
> I UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT "OLD" PEOPLE AND THEIR
> THIN SKINS NOT WANTING TO BE SCRTACHED, BUT WHY WOULD A CAT SCRATCH
> ANYONE, UNLESS ONE HAS A FERAL CAT THAT'S TERRIFIED WHEN
> CORNEREDIT'S LIKE PEOPLE DECLAWING THEIR CATS WHEN A BABY COMES
> ALONG. If the cat hasn't scratched them, why would it scratch the baby
> - besides, it's better to be scratched than bitten anytime! Years ago,
> neighbors adopted a baby and had their two 4-yr old cats declawed,
> worrying about scratches, although the cats never scratched them. When
> baby arrived, one of the cats bit the baby in the hand - seriously
> (never, ever having attempted to bite the neighbors). The baby didn't
> even provoke the cat - it was just lying on the floor. Both cats were
> euthanized the next day.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Casanova aka "Studs" going over the rainbow bridge

[Edna Taylor]

Beth, I am so sorry for your loss.  

Edna
 
> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:03:59 -0500
> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Casanova aka "Studs" going over the rainbow bridge
> 
> So sorry, I will keep you both in my prayers
> 
>  Beth  wrote: 
> > Too emotionally exhausted to go into detail, but it is time. I've only had 
> > this kitty since Monday & he has already stolen my heart. I'm thankful I 
> > got to sleep in his room with him last night - he slept glued to me. He 
> > knows he is loved.
> > 
> > Beth
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away..... :(

[Edna Taylor]

Terrie,  You are in my thoughts and prayers.  I am so so very sorry.

Edna
 


From: ter...@tazzys.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:27:12 -0700
Subject: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away. :(


Thank you all for your kind words and love in this difficult time for me. 
It is hard on me since we have been together for many years. 
He had a genuine love for animals and supported me in everything I did in 
rescue.
 
My husband passed away 4:30 in the morning on Thursday. He died peacefully in 
his sleep. I know he is longer in pain and sick is healthy again. 
 
He will be greeted by others that have went to the Rainbow Bridge especially by 
my Taz as he loved him too.
 


TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
 
 
Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
 



> From: "ter...@tazzys.org" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:09:59 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.
>
> Hi all,I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's 
> illness. He
> has
> liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been
> hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed 
> into a
> skill
> nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to 
> the
> hospital.
>
> He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped 
> working.
> Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he 
> wants for
> comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again.
>
> I want to make myself available at all times for him.
> He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old 
> but it
> isn't
> really.
> Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of 
> this.
> Hospice
> is available to me 24 hours a day.
>
> Sincerely,
> Terrie
>
> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> Sultan, WA. 98294
> Terrie Mohr-Forker
> http://tazzys.org/
> Non-Profit national rescue
> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] New Member

[Edna Taylor]

We have "more than average, but not enough to be newsworthy" ;)
 
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:19:03 -0500
> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Member
> 
> I try to keep my pride at 7. That is all I can afford on SS
> 
> 
>  Lorrie  wrote: 
> > On 04-11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> > 
> > > Charles, they don't have to look for your house. They have a gossip line
> > > that is superior to ours. I think that once we are adopted by oe, we get
> > > an invisible tatoo on our forheads "SUCKER"
> > 
> > You've got that right. Every stray in the area has found our
> > house, and of course they were all unneutered or pregnant when they
> > came. We now have 15 cats at home. HELP!
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kids vs kittens

[Edna Taylor]

Us too :)
 
> From: ho...@sonic.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:01:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kids vs kittens
> 
> Ditto that!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kids vs kittens
> 
> 
> > On 04-23, Jannes Taylor wrote: I honestly can look at babies and they 
> > don't thrill me like a little kitten would. LOL
> 
> I'm the same way. I much prefer kittens. 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Soft Paws

[Edna Taylor]

A frient of mine uses them and swears by them.  At our house we have learned to 
never buy expensive rugs or leather furniture ;)  Besides, when we kick it, our 
family is just going to sell our cr*p or put it to the curb.  We have resigned 
ourselves to the fact that about every 2 years we have to go to Gallery 
Furniture and purchase a new sofa :)
 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> From: msk...@me.com
> Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 03:38:09 +
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Soft Paws
> 
> Has anyone tried Soft Paws for their cats?  I have read a few unfavorable 
> reviews on Amazon.com, but even more favorable ones.  My cats are starting to 
> damage the persian rugs and leather carpet.  My husband is threatening bodily 
> harm if they don't stop it!  
> 
> Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats getting out the front door

[Edna Taylor]

A large Scat Mat on the inside of the front door works well too.  We keep one 
at the front door and they don't go near it.  
 
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:01:57 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats getting out the front door
> 
> I absolutely agree with the screen/glass storm door!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Georgetta Brickey
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 4:54 PM
> To: FeLV List
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Cats getting out the front door
> 
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> I usually just lurk on this list, but I wanted to post regarding opening the
> front door to talk to a visitor and having a cat dash out.
> 
> If you can add a screen or securty door outside your main door, that would
> stop 90+ % of hasty exits. Our house actually has a small alcove outside
> the front door and my mom (who didn't have cats) had a carpenter close it in
> and add a security door and vented side panel (basically 2 security doors
> but only one with a door knob). It is great when the doorbell rings. I can
> open the door, talk to the visitor and KNOW that no kitties will be exiting
> into adventures. It also gives me an extra measure of security when I don't
> KNOW the party at the door - NICE!
> 
> Yes, it is a bit annoying to have to open 2 doors and 4 locks (each set has
> a doorknob lock and a deadbolt - all keyed alike) but when I bring home
> groceries or packages, I can swing the outer door open and leave it with the
> inner door closed... unload the car into the alcove, then close the outer
> door and open the inner one to bring my stuff in.
> 
> I know this wouldn't work for some places - apartments, mobile homes,
> rentals, etc... but even an inexpensive screen door would help a lot to keep
> the cats indoors.
> 
> Georgetta in So. Calif. with 20 kitties to keep safe (16 foster kittens and
> our gang of 4 felines) 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

[Edna Taylor]

Just to throw this out there but my vet is adamantly opposed to using dog flea 
meds on cats, ESPECIALLY Advantix (which can and has caused even dog deaths).  
She said that on the surface, the meds look the same but the percentages of 
toxins is very different between dog and cat formulas.  Unfortunately, I know 
that many rescues have very limited budgets (me too) so I am in no way trying 
to say that people are wrong for doing this, just saying I would be very 
careful.
 
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:57:46 -0700
> From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> I've compared the dog & cat ingredients on the basic Advantage & it is the 
> same. You have to know the dose & be very careful because some of the dog 
> Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She 
> doesn't recommend it.
> 
> Beth
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org  
> 
> --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie  wrote:
> 
> From: Natalie 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM
> 
> Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs?  I have never heard of
> splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their
> amounts?
> 
> My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have
> been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one
> time!
> Too bad, it's a Pfizer product!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's
> not "cheap", but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
> have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.
> 
> I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
> FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
> same stuff.
> 
> I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
> about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.
> 
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth  wrote:
> 
> > I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on
> my
> > cats.
> >
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
> >
> > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG  wrote:
> >
> > From: MaiMaiPG 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM
> >
> > Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
> > On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:
> >
> > > I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
> > day yesterday cleaning & combing cats to get rid of fleas & they just had
> > Advantage 2 weeks ago!
> > > Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
> > still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw
> > because the fleas were still crawling.
> > > Beth
> > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie  wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Lorrie 
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > > To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
> > > Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
> > >thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
> > >site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
> > >I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
> > >have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
> > >know.
> > >
> > >Lorrie
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

[Edna Taylor]

My cat Pootie bit me in March and it was infected within 12 hours.  I ended up 
in the ER and they said had I not come in, it could have killed me.  Get to the 
ER and when asked whose cat just tell them yours and the cat has its shots.  
They never asked for proof of rabies on my cat, no one ever came to my house or 
called me nor did they even ask the cat's name.  But, DO go to the doctor or ER 
ASAP.  That is nothing to play around with.  I was at the ER until 4:30 am 
getting IV antibiotics.
 
Edna
 
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:09:43 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
> 
> I've read all the responses and everyone guided you well. If you don't have 
> a rabies tag for her, then don't tell him it's your cat (like you were 
> advised). In my opnion, I don't think they would let you quarantine her at 
> home since you have other animals. It's not worth the risk.
> 
> Please, please keep us posted. I do hope you have medicated it well after 
> washing the affected area.
> 
> Sending luck your way, Jannes!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jannes Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 8:07 AM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
> 
> 
> Last night I had Amber in my lap upstairs. I am trying to get her use to 
> seeing
> the other cats and use to the upstairs life. I had the IFA test performed by
> another vet and will hear from it next week. I am being optimistic so I 
> wanted
> to get a head start on getting her acclamated. My youngest cat Moses decided 
> to
> suddenly jump in my lap with her and Amber freaked out! In the process of
> holding on to her she bit me very hard on my hand. It hurt so bad and still
> does. It is red and slightly swollen. My husband thinks I am being paranoid
> about it, but I had a friend who almost lost his arm due to infection from a 
> cat
> bite. Should I visit the doctor??
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

[Edna Taylor]

Yes, it is a bacteria that cats have in their mouth and it can be deadly.  Red 
lines are what you want to look for.  I had four of them running from my wrist 
(bite area) up past my elbow by the time I got to the ER.
 
> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:34:04 -0400
> From: ti...@mindspring.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
> 
> All the advice u got is got is good BUT if u start seeing red line going up 
> to arm, get to dr right away. Have had many cat bites but one last dec 
> required overnite in hospital for iv antibiotics to avoid sepsis. Something 
> to do w bacteria in cats moiuth.
> 
> Christiane Biagi
> Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G
> 
> Jannes Taylor  wrote:
> 
> >Last night I had Amber in my lap upstairs. I am trying to get her use to 
> >seeing 
> >the other cats and use to the upstairs life. I had the IFA test performed by 
> >another vet and will hear from it next week. I am being optimistic so I 
> >wanted 
> >to get a head start on getting her acclamated. My youngest cat Moses decided 
> >to 
> >suddenly jump in my lap with her and Amber freaked out! In the process of 
> >holding on to her she bit me very hard on my hand. It hurt so bad and still 
> >does. It is red and slightly swollen. My husband thinks I am being paranoid 
> >about it, but I had a friend who almost lost his arm due to infection from a 
> >cat 
> >bite. Should I visit the doctor??
> > Jannes 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

[Edna Taylor]

Lynda,
 
Yes, it is usually a very deep bite to require medical treatment.  When Pootie 
bit me (don't know why, he was sleeping and it was about 3 am) he bit clear 
through to the muscle of my forearm.  I couldn't even move my hand all day :(
 
Edna
 
> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:05:43 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
> 
> Wow! Reading all of these messages with bad experience with cat bites, I 
> consider myself VERY lucky. I've gotten bit a lot, but it sounds like it has 
> to be a deep puncture type bite. Is this correct? I'm glad that you have 
> shared your experiences. I bet most of us now won't mess around if we get 
> bit. I know I won't!
> 
> Jannes - what have you done so far? How are you feeling? Let us hear from 
> you soon :0) I'm hoping you have a good outcome!
> 
> Lynda
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
> 
> 
> 
> OMG - when I got bit a couple months ago I just ran inside and washed it out 
> really good with soap and water. That was it. Guess I was lucky. I had 
> read that soap and water are good enough as long as you wash it good so now 
> when I get scratched I just use soap and water. Anyway, I never went to 
> the doc until three weeks later for something else. That's when I talked to 
> him about it and he fussed at me. Guess I'll be more careful next time. 
> Yikes!
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
> Twain
> 
> 
> 
> > From: sea7...@gmail.com
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:43:40 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
> >
> > Wash the wound with antibiotic soap and keep antibiotic ointment on it. 
> > Also treat with hot compresses. It will draw white blood cells to the 
> > area. The Dr told me to do this.
> > Autumn bit the fire out of me when I was 6 months pregnant. My hand 
> > swelled up and was red and sore. I never developed streaks, but went to 
> > Urgent Care for antibiotics. Make sure you eat your yogurt, if you get 
> > them. They are STRONG. FELV + have filthy mouths:-/
> > I also urge you not to tell them that it was your cat. Just emphasize that 
> > said cat had it's rabies shot.
> > ~Susan A
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jun 4, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Jannes Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > > Last night I had Amber in my lap upstairs. I am trying to get her use to 
> > > seeing
> > > the other cats and use to the upstairs life. I had the IFA test 
> > > performed by
> > > another vet and will hear from it next week. I am being optimistic so I 
> > > wanted
> > > to get a head start on getting her acclamated. My youngest cat Moses 
> > > decided to
> > > suddenly jump in my lap with her and Amber freaked out! In the process 
> > > of
> > > holding on to her she bit me very hard on my hand. It hurt so bad and 
> > > still
> > > does. It is red and slightly swollen. My husband thinks I am being 
> > > paranoid
> > > about it, but I had a friend who almost lost his arm due to infection 
> > > from a cat
> > > bite. Should I visit the doctor??
> > > Jannes
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

[Edna Taylor]

Yes it got infected quickly.  Pootie is not Feluk positive.  He was abused so I 
stole him from a neighbor in our old neighborhood ;)
 
> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 15:39:20 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
> 
> Edna,
> 
> So sorry you experienced such a horrible bite! Did it get infected? Is he a 
> FeLV positive kitty?
> 
> At least I know what to do now if it ever happens to me or any member of my 
> family. It sounds much too painful. Some people take pain much better than 
> others but not me, I'm a total wimp!!
> 
> Hopefully, I will never get a deep puncture wound from a bite. I let my male 
> cat get rough enough with me that he wraps his paws around my hand and bites 
> my hand while thumping both back feet against my forearm. He does not draw 
> his claws, but occasionally he has bitten me hard enough that I hollered 
> "ouch!" Yeah, he gets a little rough sometimes, and he is neutered. He needs 
> a companion to get rough with!
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Edna Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
> 
> 
> 
> Lynda,
> 
> Yes, it is usually a very deep bite to require medical treatment. When 
> Pootie bit me (don't know why, he was sleeping and it was about 3 am) he bit 
> clear through to the muscle of my forearm. I couldn't even move my hand all 
> day :(
> 
> Edna
> 
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:05:43 -0500
> > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
> >
> > Wow! Reading all of these messages with bad experience with cat bites, I
> > consider myself VERY lucky. I've gotten bit a lot, but it sounds like it 
> > has
> > to be a deep puncture type bite. Is this correct? I'm glad that you have
> > shared your experiences. I bet most of us now won't mess around if we get
> > bit. I know I won't!
> >
> > Jannes - what have you done so far? How are you feeling? Let us hear from
> > you soon :0) I'm hoping you have a good outcome!
> >
> > Lynda
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
> >
> >
> >
> > OMG - when I got bit a couple months ago I just ran inside and washed it 
> > out
> > really good with soap and water. That was it. Guess I was lucky. I had
> > read that soap and water are good enough as long as you wash it good so 
> > now
> > when I get scratched I just use soap and water. Anyway, I never went to
> > the doc until three weeks later for something else. That's when I talked 
> > to
> > him about it and he fussed at me. Guess I'll be more careful next time.
> > Yikes!
> >
> > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
> > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
> > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
> > Twain
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: sea7...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:43:40 -0500
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
> > >
> > > Wash the wound with antibiotic soap and keep antibiotic ointment on it.
> > > Also treat with hot compresses. It will draw white blood cells to the
> > > area. The Dr told me to do this.
> > > Autumn bit the fire out of me when I was 6 months pregnant. My hand
> > > swelled up and was red and sore. I never developed streaks, but went to
> > > Urgent Care for antibiotics. Make sure you eat your yogurt, if you get
> > > them. They are STRONG. FELV + have filthy mouths:-/
> > > I also urge you not to tell them that it was your cat. Just emphasize 
> > > that
> > > said cat had it's rabies shot.
> > > ~Susan A
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Jun 4, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Jannes Taylor  
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Last night I had Amber in my lap upstairs. I am trying to get her use 
> > > > to
> > > > seeing
> > > > the other cats and use to the upstairs life. I had the IFA test
> > > > performed by
> > > > another vet and will hear from it next week. I am being optimistic so 
> > > >

Re: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet

[Edna Taylor]

Wonderful news, congrats :)
 
> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:11:43 -0500
> From: pam_nor...@charter.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet
> 
> Sabrina in one lucky girl. We had originally hoped & prayed we could 
> find someone who would give her a temporary room for the period of time 
> needed for testing to determine whether she could beat this thing. We 
> sent out SO many emails & talked to SO many people. Contacted all the 
> networks we with. But over the weekend, the golden goose flew over & 
> laid the proverbial egg on us. Not only does Sabrina get a room, she 
> gets a home!
> 
> This is a young couple who live in Spring Green, WI, where Mew Haven & I 
> am. The woman is the daughter of one of my good friends & a nicer, more 
> warm family could never be asked for. They had two Siamese cats that 
> they lost last year so Shelley asked a lot of questions about Sabrina & 
> about the disease. I told her everything I knew which i s what I posted 
> here initially. That Sabrina might not live long but on the other hand 
> with good care & a stress free environment, she might beat it & live a 
> long healthy life. Or she might just be a carrier & live many years. I 
> pointed out that there are no guarantees with any pets & that there are 
> FeLeuk kitties that live longer than non-FeLeuk kitties.
> 
> Shelley's & Mark's girls are 13 & 16. Both Shelley & Mark love cats & 
> so do the girls but it was the girls' decision because losing their 
> Siamese last year had been very hard on them. I was absolutely fine 
> with that & told Shelley to tell the girls that it is possible that they 
> might have to say goodbye sooner than they want but on the other hand 
> this is a chance for both of them to play a huge role in the life of one 
> little special needs cat. And as it turns out, it's what they want to 
> do! They are both very excited. And as Vicki, Shelley's mom told me, 
> there could not possibly be a kitty who will be loved more than Sabrina 
> will be.
> 
> But listen to THIS! The girls wanted to know if it would be ok if they 
> changed her name to Eleanor. For Eleanor Roosevelt who was such a 
> strong woman! Do these kids get it or not?!! They do! I 
> am so grateful.
> 
> Sabrina/Eleanor is being spayed this week & will have her IFA done. My 
> friend who works MH with me & I will drive up & get Eleanor a week from 
> today.
> 
> So far so beautifully good!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Aggie to the CLS

[Edna Taylor]

Andy,
 
I am so sorry for your loss.

Edna
 
> From: oxjake...@hotmail.com
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> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:18:52 +
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Aggie to the CLS
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I know I haven't posted in awhile, but I wanted to offer an update to those 
> of you who followed our story with our little bundle of spunk, Aggie.
> We helped Aggie cross over this morning, and it was one of the hardest 
> things I've had to do. It was also the right thing to do. Her anemia 
> caused her to gasp for air since yesterday evening, and she was starting
> to involuntarily shake, could no longer walk, make it to the litter 
> box, and could barely raise her head to watch the lizards running around
> our patio. She was my little valiant fighter for 7 years, but 
> ultimately FELV took her from me. We tried everything short of a 
> transfusion, and it just wasn't enough.
> I firmly 
> believe that LTCI bought us about a year of good quality time. Her 
> bloodwork was taking a VERY marked decline last June, and LTCI reversed it. 
> Unfortunately, FELV is a tough nut to crack and there was only so much 
> we could do.
> 
> 
> It was very peaceful, she just went to sleep while we 
> sang her song to her , and told her what a blessing she has been in our 
> life. If love could heal, she'd have been the healthiest cat ever. But
> right now, she's not in any pain, no more seizures, no more force 
> feeding, no more shots, and only peace. 
> 
> 
> 
> There is a void in my home, and my heart right now. But I am so, so 
> thankful to have had her at all. I didn't even like cats before I met 
> her, and now I'm a sucker for them! 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your advice, your collective knowledge, and more importantly, 
> for the kindness you show to everyone who is dealing with this nasty disease.
> 
> 
> 
> Peace to all of you, and good luck on your journeys with your beloved 
> fuzzbuckets.
> 
> 
> 
> Andy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bee Please add to te CLS :*(

[Edna Taylor]

I am so sorry Sherry :(
 
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:59:36 -0700
> From: sherryd...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Bee Please add to te CLS :*(
> 
> Another one of our Sids kids left us today. Bee was with us for longer than I 
> have been volunteering. She hung in here for almost 6 years. She is with her 
> mama Jewel now. Bee was our drama queen kitty,ALWAYS had something to 
> say...what a sad,sad,sad day  :(
> Everyone hug your babies,
> Sherry
> 
> 
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> than our own,
> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
> We still would have it no other way"
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

[Edna Taylor]

Actually, it is any product with the word "sol" in it as in Pine"sol" or Ly"sol"
 

> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:33:01 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas
> 
> I'm using Feline Pine cat litter. What is wrong with pine products?
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Natalie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas
> 
> 
> > Don't use anything that contains any pine products - not good for cats!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:43 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas
> >
> > The Capstar  pill is fabulous because it
> > bombs the fleas off in about 2 hours, then you can start using a monthly
> > flea treatment. I use Revolution and never had any problems with my FeLV+
> > cats using it.
> >
> > As far as cleaning products go, I use Dawn on nearly everything - it's a
> > very effective anti-bacterial and it's comepletely safe for animals. When 
> > I
> > bring new kittens or puppies/dogs into the house, I give them a Dawn bath
> > because it kills germs and helps wash off fleas.
> >
> > I have hardwood floors, so I'm limited to certain cleaning products. My
> > favorite is Pine Sol.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh  
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed
> >> separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in
> >> the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but
> > I
> >> have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment
> >> program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning 
> >> supplies
> >> that won't harm him.
> >>
> >> He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of
> > his
> >> own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the
> >> sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green 
> >> eyes.
> >> Photos gladly provided to anyone interested.
> >>
> >> Cindy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten

[Edna Taylor]

I agree, I would get a different vet and not put my kitty to sleep on the off 
chance that she "might get sick and die" earlier than we thought she would.  
Animals, like people live for different lengths of time.  I had a FeLuk 
positive kitty that lived to be 16 years old but had a FeLuk negative kitty 
that died of a stroke when he was 12.  I say let her live, enjoy her and don't 
end her life before her time.

Edna
 

> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:00:05 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
> 
> Hi Cathy,
> 
> I feel your pain - when my Missy was diagnosed with severe congenital heart
> disease, I thought I would die. But they all die of something,
> unfortunately, and I think the "special health" kitties are the most special
> in other ways.
> 
> We have a wonderful lady on this list who volunteers in an FELV sanctuary.
> Maybe she can give you some advice.
> 
> 
> I would definitely change vets - we adopted out a double pos (FIV+ and
> FELV+) to a lady in Waco about 2 years ago and she is going strong. I would
> get a confirmatory IFA test. I would get my other cat tested and
> vaccinated. You may want to separate them. Some do and some don't.
> 
> I would not put her to sleep because she may be carrying a virus that may
> make her sick someday. Even the feral cat people are getting away from PTS
> based on the result of a test.
> 
> Love and light,
> 
> Kelley
> 
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM,  wrote:
> 
> > I am new the site and I am just crushed. I have never had cats before and
> > I adopted a shelter kitten from Petco in Plano, Texas. She had Ringworm to
> > start with and she was tiny, but she was playful and is as sweet as can be.
> > We live in Downtown Dallas so she sits in the window of our high-rise and
> > overlooks the skyline. Last week, she became very lethargic and on Friday,
> > I became worried so I took her to the emergency room. She's always been
> > little, but playful and happy until last week.
> >
> > They did a Feline Leukemia test and it was positive. The only thing I had
> > ever heard about Feline Leukemia before Friday night was that all cats who
> > get it - die.
> >
> > Cali is only 7 months old and I can't stop crying. I just moved to Dallas
> > last July. I have always had Dachshunds but I didn't think that dogs should
> > be in apartments, so I got Cali. Then I didn't want Cali to be by herself,
> > so I got another shelter kitty from the Petco in Bedford, (named Sasha) and
> > she is very healthy.
> >
> > The emergency room vet and the Vet that I took Cali to have both told me
> > that I need to put Cali to sleep so that Sasha won't get sick and Cali won't
> > get better so she should be put down. For all of you out there, please say
> > a prayer for me and Cali. She is a Blue Cream Tabby, she weighs 5 pounds
> > and she has been a real fighter. I don't know how I will find the strength
> > to put her to sleep.
> >
> > She is so little. I want her to get better. I can't stop crying.
> >
> > Cathy Kessel
> > (858) 361-8972
> >
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> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten

[Edna Taylor]

Good for you Katy and I don't trust any vet whose first option is kill the 
kitten :(
 

> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:56:31 -0400
> From: athenapities...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
> 
> Cathy,
> 
> I rescued my cat, Buddy, from a thicket behind a parking lot when he was 5
> weeks old. I took him to the vet the day after I rescued him and he tested
> positive.
> 
> Well, the vet told me to euthanize him - I did not like that at all. So as
> Buddy was clutching my shirt, I yelled at the vet "YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KILL
> MY KITTEN!!!" And ran crying from the office. Dramatic, sure, but I think it
> made my point - and I hope the vet was more tactful with pet parents after
> that.
> 
> I had him retested a couple of months later, got second opinions, and now
> Buddy is 2 years old and VERY healthy.
> 
> I found a new vet that is great with my cats, euthanasia shouldn't ever be
> the first option.
> 
> 
> Good luck!
> Katy
> 
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Sharyl  wrote:
> 
> > Cathy, you have already gotten some good advise. I've rescued several FeLV
> > kittens and treasured the time I had with them. They enjoyed 1 to 4+ years
> > of being pampered and loved. I mixed my positives and negatives but my
> > negatives were all adult cats and current on their FeLV vaccine.
> >
> > You can do so much to make whatever time Cali has a joy to both of you. I
> > would get Sasha tested and vaccinated if she hasn't been already.
> >
> > I am disturbed that Petco is adopting out kittens that have not been tested
> > for FeLV or FIV. I also do TNR and rescue kittens. I test all the rescued
> > kittens before offering them for adoption.
> >
> > Give Cali a hug from me.
> > Sharyl
> >
> > From: "ckess...@cox.net" 
> > To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:40 PM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
> >
> > I am new the site and I am just crushed. I have never had cats before
> > and I adopted a shelter kitten from Petco in Plano, Texas. She had Ringworm
> > to start with and she was tiny, but she was playful and is as sweet as can
> > be. We live in Downtown Dallas so she sits in the window of our high-rise
> > and overlooks the skyline. Last week, she became very lethargic and on
> > Friday, I became worried so I took her to the emergency room. She's always
> > been little, but playful and happy until last week.
> >
> > They did a Feline Leukemia test and it was positive. The only thing I had
> > ever heard about Feline Leukemia before Friday night was that all cats who
> > get it - die.
> >
> > Cali is only 7 months old and I can't stop crying. I just moved to Dallas
> > last July. I have always had Dachshunds but I didn't think that dogs should
> > be in apartments, so I got Cali. Then I didn't want Cali to be by herself,
> > so I got another shelter kitty from the Petco in Bedford, (named Sasha) and
> > she is very healthy.
> >
> > The emergency room vet and the Vet that I took Cali to have both told me
> > that I need to put Cali to sleep so that Sasha won't get sick and Cali won't
> > get better so she should be put down. For all of you out there, please say
> > a prayer for me and Cali. She is a Blue Cream Tabby, she weighs 5 pounds
> > and she has been a real fighter. I don't know how I will find the strength
> > to put her to sleep.
> >
> > She is so little. I want her to get better. I can't stop crying.
> >
> > Cathy Kessel
> > (858) 361-8972
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[Edna Taylor]

I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as "too large" however, I 
noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after 
deleting most of the original emails).  I have used Feline Pine at home before 
and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions.  The 
smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even 
customers complained about the smell in the adoption center.  We had to go back 
to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would 
not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular 
basis.
 
For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes.  
Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it 
prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side.  We also use a low 
dust litter.  So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and 
up.
 
Edna
 

> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
> From: athenapities...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> 
> Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got
> good online reviews.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle wrote:
> 
> > Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it
> > before?
> >
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[Edna Taylor]

I agree Susan.  I think with a couple of cats, the wheat or pine would be great 
but when the numbers are constantly changing and you sometimes have a Mom with 
kittens in a bathroom, an older litter in another room and some adults in yet 
another room, you have to use what keeps the smell down :)  Due to fostering I 
have repainted the study 3 times and the guest bedroom twice.  HOW can kittens 
get poop 4 feet up a wall??? :)
 
Oh, best invention EVER for a foster household is a Lampe Berger (Winterwood is 
my fav oil).  If you don't have one, I HIGHLY recommend getting a couple.  They 
are pricey but S worth it.
 
http://www.lampeberger.us/lampe-berger-official-website-luxury-fragrances-for-the-home
 

> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 15:09:47 -0700
> From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> 
> I had the same experience with the feline Pine. It smells like moldy wood to 
> me. Bought one bag and never again.
> 
> I think we may need to make a distinction between rescue households with a 
> lot of cats and a constant parade of fosters coming and going and a household 
> with just a few pet cats. Mine is a rescue household and I have adopters 
> coming too the house so I have to make sure it doesn't stink. I've been using 
> clumping litter for more than 10 years and we've never had a problem. (When I 
> fostered kittens though I used the old fashioned non-clumping clay litter 
> because kittens have been known to try to eat litter.)
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/8/11, Edna Taylor  wrote:
> 
> > From: Edna Taylor 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 2:57 PM
> > 
> > I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as "too
> > large" however, I noticed that others have responded with no
> > problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the
> > original emails).  I have used Feline Pine at home
> > before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at
> > their Petsmart adoptions.  The smell (to me) was gawd
> > awful after they had used the box even once and even
> > customers complained about the smell in the adoption
> > center.  We had to go back to scoopable in both places
> > but especially at the store because people would not go in
> > to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a
> > regular basis.
> > 
> > For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large
> > Rubbermaid Totes.  Frank cuts a large hole in one end
> > so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator
> > b*tt peers from peeing over the side.  We also use a
> > low dust litter.  So far, our cats have done well and
> > most of our cats are 12 and up.
> > 
> > Edna
> > 
> > 
> > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
> > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
> > > 
> > > Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter,
> > Sweat Scoop. It got
> > > good online reviews.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline
> > Pine - has anyone used it
> > > > before?
> > > >
> >
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth

[Edna Taylor]

Sounds like she might have stomatitis.  We have two cats with that and they 
both had all but their canines pulled and both are doing 100% better now.
 

> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:29:51 -0400
> From: katsk...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth
> 
> Again, thanks to all of you. Been a great help.
> 
> Called my vet this morning and she is unexpectedly out of office until
> the 18th. Apparently she had family emergency. That's upsetting cause
> the kitty who had her eyes removed last Wednesday was supposed to have
> sutures out this Wed the 13th. I guess a few more days with sutures
> won't hurt - I kept mine in my knee for almost 4 months cause I was
> afraid to get them out. duh! Oh well.
> 
> Surprisingly, Luke is a lover. Loves to be picked up, loves to be
> petted. But with the apparent pain in her mouth nothing is going to
> get into her via syringe or jamming a pill in the back of her throat,
> nothing. Last time I tried it one of her loose teeth fell out so
> there was a plus side but I am still putting triple antibiotic cream
> on the scratches and I had her wrapped in a bath towel like a mummy!
> Afterward she was panting, drooling, vomiting and hid for several
> hours. Not doing that to her or me again.
> 
> So I will have to wait until the 18th to get her to the vet but she is
> sticking around the yard now and actually was sitting at the door like
> she -almost- wanted in so I guess that will have to do
> 
> Thanks again cause I was hesitant to do that to her but what the heck.
> If I can have a little 5 week old kittens rotten, ready to rupture
> eyes removed I guess I can the rotten teeth of a full grown kitten
> pulled~.
> 
> Kat
> 
> 
> On 7/11/11, dlg...@windstream.net  wrote:
> > Cats have a way of knowing meds are in the food you are giving them. Unlike
> > dogs who gulp it down so fast they never realize meds were in it.
> > Medicating Casey is life threatening, I almost need to make a reservation at
> > the ER for a couple of pints of blood for me. She bites, scratches, screams
> > and like you said, we are both so worn out, frustrated that it almost seems
> > to do more harm than good. If she needs meds, we head to the vet. More
> > hands to hld her down. I have gotten a muzzle, but that makes her so angry
> > that she won't have anything to do with me for at least a couple of hours.
> >
> >  Lorrie  wrote:
> >> Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com
> >> In-Reply-To:
> >> 
> >>
> >> Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very difficult taking
> >> care of a cat who fights your every effort to help her/hin.
> >> You are very kind.
> >>
> >> Lorrie
> >>
> >> On 07-09, katskat1 wrote:
> >> > Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
> >> > Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is
> >> > obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
> >> > She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
> >> > before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.
> >> >
> >> > I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
> >> > has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
> >> > ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options.
> >> >
> >> > Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat
> >> > anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
> >> > any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
> >> > storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
> >> > breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her
> >> > quality of whatever life she has
> >> >
> >> > Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.
> >> >
> >> > kat
> >> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] testing

[Edna Taylor]

We had a kitty that showed up in the backyard a few years
back so we trapped her and had her fixed and vaccinated and named her SuzieQ.  
Soon a male showed up so we got him all fixed
up.  Well, SuzieQ became more and more
friendly but we didn't want to leave Charlie outside alone and they were very
bonded so we built them a nice insulated, elevated house with a deck and
feeding area.  One day Charlie went
missing so we brought SuzieQ inside. 
Everything went well for almost a year until she started losing a lot of
weight.  After an ultrasound, the vet
recommended surgery to biopsy the mass in her abdomen.  It came back as a very 
aggressive form of cancer
that is common in cats with FeLuk.  She
tested negative but Dr. McCann said that she may have been exposed and fought
off the virus as a kitten but by then it was too late, the virus had done it's
damage and within 3 weeks of her diagnosis, she was gone. 
So, I guess what I am saying here is any cat that has been
exposed to Leukemia, even if they don't have it, runs the risk of getting one
or more of the cancers associated with the disease.  Not that they all will, 
but there is that
risk.  But then again, life expectancy is
fluid; we never know when our number is up. 
We lost a sweet kitty at five and a half years old and he didn't have
Leukemia or FIV, he was just a very sickly kitten and his body finally gave
out.  Cats, like people, die at different
ages and all we can do is embrace life, love them and care for them while they
are here and hold them forever in our hearts when they are gone.


 Edna


 
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:23:30 -0700
From: harshbargerka...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] testing

After the long discussion that I just got on testing, I am really confused and 
concerned.  I have a group of 6---one senior and the others a year old.  It was 
suspected that they were exposed to a cat with feline leukemia so I had them 
tested.  All but the one year old female tested positive on the Elsa---I 
believe it was that---did not really ask but it was a test done in the vet 
office in about 15 0r 20 minutes.  I moved them all indoors and got heaters and 
airconditioning for my garage (where they live), treated them aggressively, fed 
them more and better, and tried to reduce their stress as much as possible with 
climbers toys attention and love.   One did not make it after a month, but he 
was the sickest and kept separate from the start in the garage-the negative 
female has been kept in
 the garage, but separate as well.  Anyway 3 months later the remaining 5 all 
tested negative on the same test by same vet.  We were feeling very happy and 
hopeful.  We plan to have them retested this week (about 2 months since the 
last test) and were hoping and praying that we once again get a negative test. 
We were thinking that if they were negative a second time, that we would be 
free and clear of this horrible illness and not have to worry about them and 
did not have to worry about keeping them all separate from each other and our 
other inside cats.  But after reading this recent discussion I worry that 
another negative snap test won't mean anything.  Should I have the Elsa test 
done instead or also---if I can come up with the money?  Should I have another 
vet and lab do it?  Do I have to worry about them for the rest of their lives 
that this will pop its ugly head up again in years to come as carriers or
 what?  Thanks, Karen
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