Re: [Finale] 2004 on site
Great to see! Apparently, if you can at least run system 9.0.4, you can use this upgrade even though some features may not be available to you. This is good for anyone like me with a dinosaur Mac that can't run OS X. And finally we know what the trade-up for those who didn't upgrade from 2002 to 2003 will be (if my case is true of all)--$140. What I've read so far already suggests this is a very worthy upgrade. Whatever they've done re the "seamless note entry" they are trumpeting is not something I could grasp without seeing it in action, but it sounds promising. Many things do, actually. Diverting from this a moment, though, in the example of Capriccio given, it would not have been my natural inclination to separate the dot of a dotted quarter with the up stem of the 16th note that also begins on that beat. Is that acceptable? Richard ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] First FIN 2k5 question
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 08:32 PM, Tobias Giesen wrote: So, I would estimate the chances of a Linux version within the next 5 years at about 1% probability. I would say you're being wildly optimistic. [grin] - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] More Finale 2004 info
Hello! I noticed that the MakeMusic! marketing material for Finale 2004 only seem to compare the SoftSynth output with normal MIDI output. No example how a printed page would sound with human playback. So I created such an example, which is now linked from my review: http://www.finaletips.nu/ For those who have already read the review, here's a direct link: http://www.jwmusic.nu/hpdemo/ Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Copy Protection
Robert Patterson: Going on about 12 years, I still occasionally fire up Finale 2.6.3. I recently discovered it still runs in Classic. Yeah, but it doesn't *print out* (from any driver) under System 9. For that reason, I have been systematically updating all my 2.6.3 files as orders come in for them. The increasingly transparent updating algorithm in recent versions of Finale makes that much less painful than it would have been even three years ago. This will be the 4th computer (in sequence) on which I've run 2.6.3. I'm wondering if 2.6.3 had had a reg scheme like that in Fin04, would I have been able to register it? Would MM (now into about as many ownership changes as I've had computer changes) still have the willingness or expertise to do so? In some other cases of software I've owned equally old, the company isn't even around to authorize it any more. Precisely because olim-Coda has made updating files from one version to the next so painless, I have not saved any obsolete version of Finale since 3.7. I do not expect to have FinMac 2K4 on my machine for more than 2 years, tops. -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] RE: 2004 Panic
Thanks, Tyler. BF > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tyler Turner > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:22 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: 2004 Panic > > > > Finale 2004 Registration FAQs > > > Q. Does Finale 2004 have copy protection? > A. No. It does, however, require software registration > within 30 days of installation. Failure to do so will > temporarily disable printing and saving until you do > register. You may also install Finale on two machines > (on the same platform an additional platform disc is > $50) for your personal use under one serial number at > no additional charge. > > Q. How does this differ from Sibelius? > A. Sibelius Software employs an encryption system to > unlock the program to enable use. You are required to > register the program with Sibelius within 5 days of > loading it onto your computer. Sibelius grants the > purchaser the right to use the product on a single > terminal of a single computer in a single location. A > second license may be granted in certain instances for > non-simultaneous use, by the same user, for an > additional fee. Any further use is prohibited. > > Q. How do I register? > A. Finale provides a Registration Wizard that walks > you though a few simple steps. If your computer is > on-line, authorization occurs automatically at the > conclusion of these steps. > > Q. What if I don't have an Internet connection? > A. The Registration Wizard can print out a form that > can be used by fax or mail. If you call MakeMusic! we > can provide you with an authorization code that will > complete your registration. Similarly if you send your > form in by mail or fax, this code will be returned to > you by the same means. > > Q. How long will this take? > A. If you have an Internet connection it will take > seconds. If you place a toll-free phone call, it will > take minutes. If you fax us, we will typically return > the fax by the next business day. If you send in your > registration by mail, we'll return your authorization > by mail, and this will take several days. > > Q. How many times can I install Finale? > A. You can install and reinstall Finale an unlimited > number of times on the same computer. If you own more > than one computer you can install on the second > computer an unlimited number of times as well. Should > you get a new computer (or hard drive) and have > previously only installed on one computer, you're > still fine. Should you need to install on a third > computer (say after buying a new machine), you will > need only to place a toll-free call to MakeMusic!. > > Q. What happens if I reformat my hard drive? > A. You will have to reregister, but this will not > decrement the number of machines you can install on. > > Q. If I find something I dislike about this software > registration, may I return Finale for a full refund? > A. Yes. If you purchased either Finale or a Finale > upgrade directly from MakeMusic!, and for any reason > are not fully satisfied by it, you are welcome to > return the software for a refund within 30 days of > your purchase. > > Q. Why are you requiring software registration at this > time? > A. The worldwide Finale user base has grown > dramatically over the years. The demands on our > Technical Support and Customer Service resources have > grown in step. Unfortunately, the growth of illegal > copies of Finale has also grown dramatically. > Registration affords us the means to continue to > provide the best possible service to our loyal, paying > customers and minimizes the impact of illegal copies > on our ability to reinvest in product development. > > Q. How does this work in a site license setting? > A. Finale comes with built-in support for KeyServer > for network uses. An additional network solution for > those not using KeyServer will be available in a > forthcoming maintenance release. In a site setting > with no special server or network needs, computers > must be registered individually. > > Q. How do I transfer registration from one computer to > another? > A. Right now this type of transfer is possible but > users must do so through MakeMusic! Customer Service. > In a forthcoming maintenance release, which will be > available free of charge to owners of Finale 2004, we > will include a means to transfer registration from one > computer to another without the need to contact > MakeMusic!. > > Q. What happens if Im unable to register during > normal phone hours? A. You can register via the > Internet 24 hours a day. Additionally, we currently > provide phone registration 24 hours a day (subject to > change). > > Q. What happens if MakeMusic! ceases to exist? Will I > still be able to use the software?A. If we cease > to exist, Finale will continue to run on your > computer. You would, however, run into problems if you > tried, for example, to register a third machine. While > we have no intention of disappearing, we take all
[Finale] Intellectual property
At 11:36 PM 8/8/2003 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 08.08.2003 18:59 Uhr, Tobias Giesen wrote > I have had personal (albeit mostly via email) contact with many Coda > employees, and I am deeply convinced that if there is one company that you > can trust, it's them. > > Many Coda employees, including decision-makers and chief software developers > are Finale users themselves. This product is very important to them. Unless > all the key figures die at the same time, there should be no situation that > will make Finale 2004 unusable for the next 2 decades or so. Come on Tobias, surely you are not assuming that MakeMusic is free from any dangers of bankruptcy, corruption, commercial interests?... never ever to go bust? Look at what happened to Opcode... Well that is the point, isn't it? They are putting a sensible protection scheme into place PRECISELY so they WON'T go bankrupt. I'm &%&%^#$% sick of the freeloader mentality that many people have today about copyrighted material and intellectual property. People seem to think I.P. just bubbles up out of the ground. The fatcats at MakeMusic come in every morning and gather up the thousands of lines of code that magically wrote and tested itself overnight, go out for a nice lunch of lobster and fine Chardonnay, write a couple of internal memos about how they can make quadrillions of dollars by screwing us, and then call it a day. Let's get real. If we want the product to have a future, then the freeloaders need to be shut down. If that means each of us has to make one internet session a year, surely that isn't too much for any of us to handle. If people want to bitch about something, try the Iraq war or something that deserves some bitching. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] RE: 2004 Panic
> Sibelius apparently manages the transfer of licenses > from one machine to another via floppies, which > strikes me as not such a great idea. (What do Mac users do?) I would say that finally, after 20 years of IBM PC compatible floppies, we have a successor to the floppy which fits into ALL personal computers sold for a few years now: the USB "stick" where 128MB is an often-sold capacity. Should be great to use that for license transfering. Not sure if Sibelius supports it, but I will put in my word for it at MakeMusic. Cheers, Tobias ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinaleScript question
On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 01:59 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: However, if I'm going to need that sort of operability outside of Finale, the QuicKeys upgrade ($69.95) is a lot more appealing than an OS upgrade (reputedly $130). Uh, not if you are planning on upgrading the OS anyway -- and if you use OS X, you'd be a fool not to upgrade to 10.3. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Registration codes and copyright
The question of registration code hacks is interesting to me. You own the Finale software (it's licensed, but American law is very clear that you actually own the copy you bought), and no bankruptcy, etc can take that away. Is it still *illegal* to use registration code hacks (assuming that they appear)? By the way, if Coda (or whatever they're called now) ever stops giving out registration codes to force people to upgrade, etc, they would be in big legal trouble here in the US, not just in Germany. ** ~ ** ** Benjamin Smedberg, Director of Music** ** St. Patrick's Church, Washington D.C. ** ** VOX 202-347-2713 x102 - FAX 202-347-1401 ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** "Soli Deo Gloria" ** ** ~ ** ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review
> From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Does that mean this is okay with you? Yes, it's fine with me. >Not even a whisper of protest? No, not a whisper of protest. > Everybody else thinks this is fine, too? I can't speak for everyone else. I think your reaction is excessively hostile, ill-conceived, somewhat immature and only to your professional disadvantage. -Richard ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2004
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 06:30 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 03:14 PM, Éric Dussault wrote: Wouldn'd it have been great if the Finale 2004 advertisement on MakeMusic's website could be made so they can be viewed by a macintosh computer. All the sound samples with soundfonts and musical playback are not compatible with macs. They have a particular talent for annoying mac people, have they? That's not true... they can be heard perfectly fine on the Mac. One must only install Windows Media Player for Mac (version 7 if you're on a Classic OS, plus there's an OS X version). Then, since the "mms" protocol is not interpreted by the MacOS, all you have to do is copy the link from the page, then "open URL" from the Player and paste it in. That's kind of like saying Finale works "perfectly fine" in Classic (which Coda actually claimed at one point until they were shamed into qualifying that statement a little). I actually tried that awful "copy and paste the link" kludge and even that didn't work for me. The fact is, websites should not use Windows Media Player files, *period*. At the very least, if they are going to offer WinMedia, they should also offer an alternative format that actually works well on multiple platforms -- MP3, Real, QuickTime Really, there's no excuse for not making these audio files MP3, an open standard which can be played by almost anybody. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review
Le 08/08/03 10:38, "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit: > I am not hugely overreacting. If you want overreaction, talk to me > off-list. :) :-) > > First of all, cracks will be there ASAP. The only penalty is to legal > users. I still don't see how we are victimized or penalized. The way you personally change your computer is not the typical behavior of a normal computer user, and I am sure that if you explain it to someone at MakeMusic they will accommodate you. Most people won't have this kind of problem. > That point was already made, and you helped make it above when > suddenly you had to fall back on a user community for future support > because you *know* Makemusic is going to sandbag you and you're already > mentally getting ready for it. > > And maybe *you* have to register once. But how do you suppose they validate > these registrations? They're linked to something, and at some point that > software is going to blow up and you'll be stuck. I install, then register so they validate my software (fair enough) and then you think they stay connected to your computer? The way I understand it that's all after the registration and somehow your computer is coded so it will in the future recognize the software. Maybe I am a bit naïve or you do a bit of paranoia by going far beyond what is said. I am curious if Jari of Tobias have something more to say about that to shed some lights on us naives and paranoiacs. :-) ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: OSX Booklet printing (e.g., w/ Acrobat Reader)
Robert, have you checked the Adobe PS drivers? They come with booklet printing. (I am talking Mac OS9 here). Hope it helps... Javier Ruiz... [waiting for his G5 to arrive in time] > This is a followup to yesterday's thread. It appears that booklet printing is > only available in OS9. (This is yet another example of OSX > not-ready-for-prime-time-ness.) In Google searches I've found many bitter > complaints that booklet printing has (so far) been orphaned in OSX on a > variety of printers, i.e., apparently all of them. If anyone knows of an OSX > solution, I'd love to hear about it. (I wonder if using Acrobat 5 in Classic > would work!) > > Meanwhile, even in OS9 it requires a complicated combination of confusing > options to get it right. Booklet printing seems tailormade for a 3rd party > solution, esp. in the world of PDFs. There used to be a bookletizing product > on the market specifically for booklet printing. Does anyone remember what it > was called? I haven't turned up anything with web searches. :-( > > -- > Robert Patterson > > http://www.robertgpatterson.com > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
Actually he DID say it was inside a first ending, but no matter, I'm sure that you would have gotten it right if you had seen the passage in question. In addition, I'm serious about doubting markings. If a chart shows up with unusual registers, articulations, or instructions, one tends to pay a little closer attention to them. If something is patently illogical or unplayable, then that throws everything else into doubt as well, and I tend to examine every marking more closely and question it, checking against the score or asking if I am in doubt. For example, I am playing in the on-stage orchestra for Chicago the musical this summer, on a tuba/double bass book. Most of the pieces are copied in different hands, and there are some unusual passages to play. I noticed that one of the tuba numbers was written in rather a high register, and I played it as written, against my better judgement, until I noticed a tremolo marking on one of the held notes. Obviously, at that point I realised that it was written originally for bass (possibly arco!), and someone along the line had neglected to transpose it correctly for tuba. I inquired, and I was right, and I kept a sharp eye out for other inconsistencies from then on, and caught some. Apparently some numbers had been transposed drastically, making some voicings muddy or unplayable in other instruments as well. All because the copyist was told "down a major 3rd" and he did it, without judging whether or not it was right. At 1:42 PM -0500 8/06/03, Richard Huggins wrote: Okayit is correct that I should have said that IF it was a first ending, the designation could read "Play 1st x" That being corrected, I'm pretty sure the original question referred to a situation using repeat bars only (not a 1st/2nd ending), and in such a case all the notes *would* be seen twice and my "Play both x's" would be correct. "Doubting the arranger's other markings" seems a bit extreme to me. Richard From: Christopher BJ Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Both X's" for a passage INSIDE the first ending, where it will only be seen once? I would find that illogical and confusing, and it would make me doubt the arranger's other markings. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: more booklet printing woes
At 02:29 PM 8/8/03 +, Robert Patterson Finale wrote: >Now I have a problem with the fonts embedded in the PDFs. >Apparently the music fonts are embedded in the first page of >music. But I have several pages of title and cover preceding >these. The problem is, when Acrobat prints the pages out of >sequence (for the booklet), it fails to find the music fonts until >page 1 of music. The preceding pages all use Courier instead! >Has anyone encountered this, or could suggest a solution? I think a solution was offered the other day to a similar problem. If I recall correctly (and I didn't keep the post), the answer was to create some sort of invisible expressions (such as hard spaces) on the first page (or first booklet page) in each of the fonts you are using. That will cause them to download. Though I haven't tried it, that sounds like a workable solution. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2004
Wouldn'd it have been great if the Finale 2004 advertisement on MakeMusic's website could be made so they can be viewed by a macintosh computer. All the sound samples with soundfonts and musical playback are not compatible with macs. They have a particular talent for annoying mac people, have they? Éric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review
"David H. Bailey writes: > There has to be some sort of code you enter into the installation or > else how could the program know whether or not to disable aspects of the > program after 30 days if you haven't registered? The challenge/response system is seamless if you do the registration over the internet. In that case, there's no extra user involvement required. > It also says we have permission to install the program on TWO different > machines -- there must be some sort of installation code that becomes > portable from the original installation. I get the impression a database at MakeMusic! keeps track of the number of installed computers for each serial no. > Somewhere (I can't remember if it was the e-mail advertisement or I read > this on the FinaleMusic website) I read that we would have unlimited > re-installs but it didn't mention if we would need to contact MakeMusic > each time we needed to re-install the program (assuming, of course, that > MakeMusic remains in business and is willing to support Fin2004 forever). To get more installs than 2, you have to contact MakeMusic! to activate an extra install. Btw, it's a computer-specific challenge/response system (so it will "survive" a reformat and such things). I would _guess_ it's very similar to Microsoft's. My only concern is what's going to happen the day MakeMusic! decides that Finale 2004 is "dead" as a product and no longer provides response codes. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2004 Discount
On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 12:31 AM, Richard Yates wrote: The e-mail announcement I got was for Windows... And I have received no e-mail promo at all - even though I have gotten every upgrade since 2.5. When I first heard here of the upgrade I reserved my copy at $89. I thought I was pretty clear in my last mail, but here it is again. If you are upgrading from FinMac 2003, you don't need the promo code. If you are upgrading from FinMac *2002*, if you enter the promo code you will get the same price as those upgrading from FinMac 2003 -- i.e., $89.95. The promo code basically means there is no penalty for those who skipped Finale 2003 because it wasn't OS X compatible. But you have to *manually* enter the promotional code. At least, I did. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
