Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
Yes: with FinMac 2005 I followed your steps and got the same result, both with a new file without libraries and with a copy of the default file. I also tried changing to different time signatures (6/8, 3/2, composite...), in several measures or only one measure, with the same result. As far as I can tell, the bug has no serious consequences, since there is no need to have Independent Key Signature checked for a single staff score. But it's worrying all the same. And other weird things happen. Try these steps: - New Document Without Libraries: time signature is 'C' - Add 5 measures (makes 2 systems) - Fill measures 4 to 6 with 12 quarter notes - Use Staff Attributes to set independent key signature (please note: KEY signature, not time signature!) - Change to Time Signature tool, double-click on the first measure and change the time signature to 3/4 (or any other, as far as I can make out) - When I have finished these steps, the time signature is still 'C' but the music I entered in measures 4 to 6 has moved to measures 1 to 3 Note that the bug does not appear if independent TIME signature is also checked. Best wishes, Michael Cook On 28 Mar, 2005, at 3:38, Richard Yates wrote: After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm this one? Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key Signature'. Now changing time signature works. Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key Signature'. Now changing time signature works. Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. I just tried it (WinFin2005b) and was able to change the time signature just fine. Have you downloaded and installed the update patch? I had not, but now I have. The bug is still there. I note that Michael Cook was able to replicate this and wonder if others have misread the instructions. It is the independent KEY signature being checked that then prevents the TIME signature tool from working. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
My apologies Richard. I think I read your post too hurriedly before trying it and must have clicked the wrong independent box. I do indeed replicate your bug. Finale 2005b for Mac. John Roberts On 3/27/05 8:38 PM, Richard Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm this one? Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key Signature'. Now changing time signature works. Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mastering Page Layout
Title: Re: [Finale] Mastering Page Layout Another good one is Finale Power by Mark Johnson Allen On 3/26/05 6:54 PM, Godofredo Romero [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Finale, An Easy Guide to Music Notation, Berklee Press, by Thomas E. Rudolph and Vincent a. Leonard,jr has a chapter dedicated to page layout. This might be what you are looking for. I own a copy of this book and keep it next to me all the time. If it weren't for this valuable book it would have taken me a lot longer to learn finale. Godofredo P.S I am also a graphic designer and graphic arts - printing- expert so I know exactly what you are talking about. Paul Besco wrote: I'm delving into FInale from the desk top publishing side with much experience with text and image manipulation for press. My portal for music publishing was Smartmusic and Printmusic, both handled page layout in their own way. Printmusic work did not prepare me for Finale, which seems to be somewhere between Smartmusic and Printmusic in the sense, that it doesn't quite seem to do what previous dtp experience would lead one to expect. I'm having trouble grasping the relationship between the huge Page Layout Options for Score dialog and the System and Page Margin dialogs. The manual is very thorough, but attempting to get a copy of a piano piece to lay on the page like I want is a push-me-pull-you affair between the various dialogs. Does anyone have a link to a discussion about these dialog relationships or can recommend a text book? Paul Besco, Rags Design Sonoma California ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
It's there if you check the independent KEY signature box (not the independent time signature box) and then try to change the TIME signature. It won't change. But if you ALSO check the independent time signature box it will change. And once you have TWO staves, the time signature changes just fine. Why anybody with ONE staff would want independent key or time signatures is beyong me (what is it independent from, if it's the only staff), but ours is not to question why. Clearly this is not a devastating bug on the nature of EPS travesties, but, heck, it might be easy for them to fix and they can brag they've actually fixed reported bugs, all the while ignoring the EPS problems. The whole system works like it should with TWO or more staves, which is the only situation I can think of where one would even want independent key or independent time signatures enabled. David H. Bailey Ron Shillingford wrote: In the time signature tool, have you clicked the options button, that expands the dialogue box and unchecked the use different time signature for display box? I can't reproduce the bug in FinWIn2005b RS On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 04:52:49 -0800, Richard Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key Signature'. Now changing time signature works. Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. I just tried it (WinFin2005b) and was able to change the time signature just fine. Have you downloaded and installed the update patch? I had not, but now I have. The bug is still there. I note that Michael Cook was able to replicate this and wonder if others have misread the instructions. It is the independent KEY signature being checked that then prevents the TIME signature tool from working. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] forward slash
Hi John-- The only font out of your list that I am seeing this for is Palatino. Some flavor of ligatures (an optional font parameter) are enabled or this font, and we're currently respecting that setting. I can't remember if there's a way to turn it off (it won't be in Finale, but somewhere in your system). Send an email into macsupport so that we track it and get it fixed. Thanks, Allen On 3/25/05 8:25 PM, John Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Finale 2005b/Mac. The / character does not display or print correctly when it immediately follows the characters l (that's lower-case L), o, or ` in fonts such as Garamond, Palatino and Times. This is true in the Text Tool and in Expressions. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Chuck Israels / 05.3.26 / 11:13 PM wrote: 1920X1200 is the native resolution, so I think I'll be OK with the 9200 card. It seems to be listed at just under $100 - a fair enough price to be able to rotate the monitor (seems to me). I think the local Mac dealer will know, in any case, and if I buy it from those guys, they'll take it back if it doesn't do the job. Chuck, What is your audio interface? If it is FW, I suggest you do an audio I/O stress test. The current PCI-X G5 has a hardware bug on AMD PCI Tunnel Chipset. AMD has no plan to fix it, and Apple has no control over it. The possible outcome is that a few audio packets might be dropped when both FW and PCI throughput gets heavy. This is highly reproducible when you have audio I/O on both FW and PCI (I have MIOs on FW and PCI-424 on PCI), but the general consensus is that one might want to be careful when adding PCI to PCI-X G5. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: iTunes
On Mar 26, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Steve Gibons wrote: Can't you select a tune in itunes for 9 and hit command-r for reveal original? This shows a bunch of stuff where you'd expect it to be, but does not include everything. A search under the name of one of the missing items comes up blank. Also, all this is about the library. What about my playlists? NB: This is all about music I publish that includes a prerecorded tape. I publish the tapes as CDs, and keep the sound files in iTunes. If I can't bring them into OSX, then the whole publication remains tied to System 9 forever--meaning that when my current computer dies, the publication goes out of print. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: iTunes
It's been a long time since I used OS 9, but here are a couple suggestions. To find every file you would have to reveal original for each file one at a time. Note that the MP3 title tag is not the same as the file name. Do you have an option in itunes to keep itunes folder organized? In OS X this organizes you files in folders as follows: Artist Album Title Maybe you could turn on keep itunes folder organized select a playlist in itunes, get info (still in itunes) and edit the tags and then be able to transfer the stuff over. The playlists are specific to the hard drive/directory structure where you made originally made the list. Playlists are just text file with lists of sound files. Let me know if this helps out and if I can be of mroe help. I know way too much about this because I just got an mp3 player and the mp3 tags, as they're called, have just become relevant. Steve On Mar 28, 2005, at 9:42 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Steve Gibons wrote: Can't you select a tune in itunes for 9 and hit command-r for reveal original? This shows a bunch of stuff where you'd expect it to be, but does not include everything. A search under the name of one of the missing items comes up blank. Also, all this is about the library. What about my playlists? NB: This is all about music I publish that includes a prerecorded tape. I publish the tapes as CDs, and keep the sound files in iTunes. If I can't bring them into OSX, then the whole publication remains tied to System 9 forever--meaning that when my current computer dies, the publication goes out of print. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Preparing Orchestral Score and Parts
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ryan Beard writes: Personally, I don't like wire coil binding. The main reason is that due to the angle of the coil (can't think of a better word at the moment) the page you're turning ends up being lower than the remaining pages. In other words, the left half is slightly lower than the right half. When used on a tilted music stand, it creates just as much noise as the comb binding and it bends the paper on the corners close to the bind. If you mean the noise of the bottom of the paper against the ledge of the music stand, you can avoid that by having a stiff cover, larger than the paper size. You could even give that a separate hinge, so that the spine would remain at right angles to the ledge; in that case you would need to keep all of the coil on the inside of the cover. I have some ideas how to do that, if anyone is interested. -- Ken Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.mooremusic.org.uk/ I reject emails 100k automatically: warn me beforehand if you want to send one ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: 18th Century Trumpet question
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrew Stiller writes: Trumpeters originally specialized in different registers of their instrument, and used different clefs. The 18th c. is a bit late for this typology, but there still would have been a distinction drawn between clarino and principale trumpet playing. The latter extended no higher than e'' (and seldom above c'') and thus would fit easily into the alto clef. To the best of my recollection, the five original types of trumpet specialty were notated in Tr S A T B clefs respectively--when they were notated at all. The basso in 16th-17th c. trumpet bands played nothing but low c (or the equivalent note for trumpets in other keys), the vulgano above that played just two notes, and the alto e basso just 3. Very interesting. I had come across trumpet specialisation, but had assumed that it applied to 15th and 16th centuries only. Do you know how many trumpet bands survived into the 17th C.? and when the last disbanded? -- Ken Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.mooremusic.org.uk/ I reject emails 100k automatically: warn me beforehand if you want to send one ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: iTunes
On 28 Mar 2005, at 10:42 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Steve Gibons wrote: Can't you select a tune in itunes for 9 and hit command-r for reveal original? This shows a bunch of stuff where you'd expect it to be, but does not include everything. A search under the name of one of the missing items comes up blank. Huh? Steve suggested selecting the song *in iTunes* and using the reveal original function. Are you saying this doesn't work for some of the songs you see in iTunes? Again, searching in the Finder for files with the *extension* .mp3, .aiff, etc., ought to turn up *all* of the audio files of that type on your HD. Also, all this is about the library. What about my playlists? From your description, it seems likely you have audio files scattered all over your hard drive. Does your OS 9 version of iTunes have a Consolidate Library function (in the Advanced menu)? If not, try this: 1) Launch iTunes for OS 9, go to your preferences, and make note of what folder is specified as the iTunes Music Folder. (This info is probably in the Advanced tab). Then quit. 2) Replace the OS X files iTunes 4 Music Library and iTunes Music Library.xml (in ~/Music/iTunes) with copies of their OS 9 equivalents. Probably the OS 9 version of the first file will have a slightly different name, perhaps just iTunes Music Library. If there's no OS 9 equivalent of the .xml file just delete it. Also delete com.apple.iTunes.plist from your OS X prefs folder to simulate a first launch of iTunes for OS X. 3) Launch iTunes for OS X, go to prefs, and specify the same iTunes Music Folder as your OS 9 version is using. 4) Using the File - Add To Library command, select that folder and hit Choose. Unless you have more audio files *outside* your specified OS 9 iTunes Music folder than inside, this should add most of the files from your OS 9 library. You may have to track down the stragglers using the methods already suggested and add them manually. 5) In iTunes for OS X, make sure you select Keep iTunes Music Folder Organized and Copy Files To iTunes Music Folder When Adding To Library in Preferences - Advanced, so you don't end up in this situation again (audio files strewn all over HD). NB: This is all about music I publish that includes a prerecorded tape. I publish the tapes as CDs, and keep the sound files in iTunes. If I can't bring them into OSX Of course you can. Absolute worst-case-scenario is you have to rebuild the playlists, but under normal circumstances you shouldn't have to do even that. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Giant Poster of Every Unicode Character
Thought some might get a kick out of this: http://www.ianalbert.com/misc/unichart.php - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Dear Hiro, (and Darcy et al), First, please understand that what you have written is barely understandable to me, not because of any fault of your English, but because you assume a familiarity with computer information and jargon on my part that is greater than I have. Nevertheless, I think I may understand most of this. I have experienced what I think is audio packets being dropped' when the computer has been in use for a long time and Finale and GPO are working hard. It sounds like machine gun on/off, on/off sound. I have no idea what audio interface is in use here. It's simply what's built in to this early G5, single processor 1.8. What do you mean FW? Is that Firewire? I am simply using the audio output on the Mac. If you will take a moment to translate what you have written, and offer specific advice that might be understandable to one whose computer understanding is at a couple of levels (at least) below yours, I will surely appreciate it. Question: Will adding considerably more than the existing 1.5 MB of RAM help in keeping things from choking up, as they seem to be doing at the moment? Thanks, Chuck On Mar 28, 2005, at 7:36 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Chuck Israels / 05.3.26 / 11:13 PM wrote: 1920X1200 is the native resolution, so I think I'll be OK with the 9200 card. It seems to be listed at just under $100 - a fair enough price to be able to rotate the monitor (seems to me). I think the local Mac dealer will know, in any case, and if I buy it from those guys, they'll take it back if it doesn't do the job. Chuck, What is your audio interface? If it is FW, I suggest you do an audio I/O stress test. The current PCI-X G5 has a hardware bug on AMD PCI Tunnel Chipset. AMD has no plan to fix it, and Apple has no control over it. The possible outcome is that a few audio packets might be dropped when both FW and PCI throughput gets heavy. This is highly reproducible when you have audio I/O on both FW and PCI (I have MIOs on FW and PCI-424 on PCI), but the general consensus is that one might want to be careful when adding PCI to PCI-X G5. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com> http://anonemusic.com> ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Hi Chuck, On 28 Mar 2005, at 1:38 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I have experienced what I think is audio packets being dropped' when the computer has been in use for a long time and Finale and GPO are working hard. It sounds like machine gun on/off, on/off sound. No, that's just GPO choking. It does that. You can probably reduce this problem somewhat by reducing the polyphony (i.e., maximum number of simultaneously sounding notes) on the piano (as well as any other multitimbral patches), as well as using the Light version of the piano patch instead of the full-sized version. (It will still probably choke a little at big moments, though.) To do this, click and hold on the number next to the little eighth notes in the GPO player, then drag down. The number before the slash is the number of currently sounding notes, the number after the slash is the maximum polyphony. For the piano, it's probably set to 64 by default. Click on 64 and drag it down to, say 32 or whatever minimum you find acceptable. Make sure all of your wind instruments are set to a polyphony of 1. You can also turn off scrolling playback, that helps too. Also try hitting the bypass button on the Ambience Reverb (which, obviously, turns it off). And make sure you're not inadvertently loading any of the wet versions of the included instruments. In fact, it's probably best to move the folder containing the wet instruments to some other location, so you don't accidentally load one of them. I have no idea what audio interface is in use here. It's simply what's built in to this early G5, single processor 1.8. That would be built-in audio. What do you mean FW? Is that Firewire? Yes. I have a FireWire audio breakout box. I don't plug anything into the audio out jack on my Mac. If you're not using a FireWire audio breakout box, you don't have to worry about any of the possible complications Hiro warned of. Question: Will adding considerably more than the existing 1.5 MB of RAM help in keeping things from choking up, as they seem to be doing at the moment? Possibly, yes, but GPO playback will continue to be problematic due to the Mac-unfriendliness of the Kontakt Player. Since you know Gary, you might ask him about Kontakt 2.0 (which is supposed to be better-optimized for Mac) and the timeline for bringing that version to GPO. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
On Mar 28, 2005, at 11:05 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, On 28 Mar 2005, at 1:38 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I have experienced what I think is audio packets being dropped' when the computer has been in use for a long time and Finale and GPO are working hard. It sounds like machine gun on/off, on/off sound. No, that's just GPO choking. It does that. Hi Darcy, I will do what you have suggested below. No, I have not loaded any wet versions of instruments. What advantages are there to using a FireWire audio breakout box? Am I missing anything besides the problems Hiro mentioned. You can probably reduce this problem somewhat by reducing the polyphony (i.e., maximum number of simultaneously sounding notes) on the piano (as well as any other multitimbral patches), as well as using the Light version of the piano patch instead of the full-sized version. (It will still probably choke a little at big moments, though.) To do this, click and hold on the number next to the little eighth notes in the GPO player, then drag down. The number before the slash is the number of currently sounding notes, the number after the slash is the maximum polyphony. For the piano, it's probably set to 64 by default. Click on 64 and drag it down to, say 32 or whatever minimum you find acceptable. Make sure all of your wind instruments are set to a polyphony of 1. You can also turn off scrolling playback, that helps too. Also try hitting the bypass button on the Ambience Reverb (which, obviously, turns it off). And make sure you're not inadvertently loading any of the wet versions of the included instruments. In fact, it's probably best to move the folder containing the wet instruments to some other location, so you don't accidentally load one of them. I have no idea what audio interface is in use here. It's simply what's built in to this early G5, single processor 1.8. That would be built-in audio. What do you mean FW? Is that Firewire? Yes. I have a FireWire audio breakout box. I don't plug anything into the audio out jack on my Mac. If you're not using a FireWire audio breakout box, you don't have to worry about any of the possible complications Hiro warned of. Question: Will adding considerably more than the existing 1.5 MB of RAM help in keeping things from choking up, as they seem to be doing at the moment? Possibly, yes, but GPO playback will continue to be problematic due to the Mac-unfriendliness of the Kontakt Player. Well, I may soon add more RAM, because there are other things that seem to choke up now (memories of System 9 and older Macs - though not nearly as bad and not so unstable). Occasionally, an application will choke and stop working, or refuse to load or quit. Even Force Quit can be reluctant. This doesn't happen often, but when it dies, it seems to be after a long day's use when I've had a number of applications open. Since you know Gary, you might ask him about Kontakt 2.0 (which is supposed to be better-optimized for Mac) and the timeline for bringing that version to GPO. I will do that when Gary returns from Europe in a couple of weeks. Gary and Tom did imply (without making promises for things over which they have no control) that tighter integration for GPO w/Finale is in the works at MM. Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Chuck Israels / 05.3.28 / 02:22 PM wrote: What advantages are there to using a FireWire audio breakout box? Am I missing anything besides the problems Hiro mentioned. I still haven't gotten your original respond to my post and I just read the one Darcy responded to you. I understand you are using built-in, which buffer is hard-coded to 512. If you employ external audio interface, you will gain control of larger buffer that will help your cpu hit problem. Larger buffer increases latency. If you set buffer larger than 256, you won't be comfortable playing GPO in real-time, but if you are just playing back Finale sequence, buffer at 2048 will give you much more cpu headroom so you can instantiate more instruments. GPO is a RAM based. More the RAM, better the performance. One other thing. If you open Energy Save on your G5, you want to have it set to High instead of Automatic for better DAW performance. Just for your info, I use two units of Metric Halo MIO 2882+DSPs and ULN- 2+DSPs. http://mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/ Their detailed image is superb and clean. I just did 28 track live recording for Omar Sosa and Mino Cinelu with these boxes onto TiBook800 :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
On 28 Mar 2005, at 2:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: What advantages are there to using a FireWire audio breakout box? I use M-Audio's FireWire Audiophile, which doubles as a MIDI interface. You can see what it does here: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FirewireAudiophile-main.html The sound quality is nice. It's especially useful for GPO, since GPO's default output volume is so low, so it's nice to boost the output level beyond what the built-in audio interface is capable of. And the analog audio-in quality is far better than what you'd get from the Mac's miniplug. M-Audio's OS X drivers for this thing are *awful*, though. They have definitely improved in the past couple of months, but it's still extremely flakey, often requiring me to power cycle (turn on and off) the interface in order for the Mac to see it. They seem committed to trying to fix it, though -- the drivers get updated about once a month. Maybe eventually they'll work out all the problems. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On Mar 28, 2005, at 11:05 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, On 28 Mar 2005, at 1:38 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I have experienced what I think is audio packets being dropped' when the computer has been in use for a long time and Finale and GPO are working hard. It sounds like machine gun on/off, on/off sound. No, that's just GPO choking. It does that. Hi Darcy, I will do what you have suggested below. No, I have not loaded any wet versions of instruments. Am I missing anything besides the problems Hiro mentioned. You can probably reduce this problem somewhat by reducing the polyphony (i.e., maximum number of simultaneously sounding notes) on the piano (as well as any other multitimbral patches), as well as using the Light version of the piano patch instead of the full-sized version. (It will still probably choke a little at big moments, though.) To do this, click and hold on the number next to the little eighth notes in the GPO player, then drag down. The number before the slash is the number of currently sounding notes, the number after the slash is the maximum polyphony. For the piano, it's probably set to 64 by default. Click on 64 and drag it down to, say 32 or whatever minimum you find acceptable. Make sure all of your wind instruments are set to a polyphony of 1. You can also turn off scrolling playback, that helps too. Also try hitting the bypass button on the Ambience Reverb (which, obviously, turns it off). And make sure you're not inadvertently loading any of the wet versions of the included instruments. In fact, it's probably best to move the folder containing the wet instruments to some other location, so you don't accidentally load one of them. I have no idea what audio interface is in use here. It's simply what's built in to this early G5, single processor 1.8. That would be built-in audio. What do you mean FW? Is that Firewire? Yes. I have a FireWire audio breakout box. I don't plug anything into the audio out jack on my Mac. If you're not using a FireWire audio breakout box, you don't have to worry about any of the possible complications Hiro warned of. Question: Will adding considerably more than the existing 1.5 MB of RAM help in keeping things from choking up, as they seem to be doing at the moment? Possibly, yes, but GPO playback will continue to be problematic due to the Mac-unfriendliness of the Kontakt Player. Well, I may soon add more RAM, because there are other things that seem to choke up now (memories of System 9 and older Macs - though not nearly as bad and not so unstable). Occasionally, an application will choke and stop working, or refuse to load or quit. Even Force Quit can be reluctant. This doesn't happen often, but when it dies, it seems to be after a long day's use when I've had a number of applications open. Since you know Gary, you might ask him about Kontakt 2.0 (which is supposed to be better-optimized for Mac) and the timeline for bringing that version to GPO. I will do that when Gary returns from Europe in a couple of weeks. Gary and Tom did imply (without making promises for things over which they have no control) that tighter integration for GPO w/Finale is in the works at MM. Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Hiro, I understand you are using built-in, which buffer is hard-coded to 512. If you employ external audio interface, you will gain control of larger buffer that will help your cpu hit problem. The maximum buffer size in GPO is 512. You cannot increase it beyond this no matter what audio interface you use. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Philip Aker's TE plug in
Hope I can send this to mailing list. Let me know if it isn't. Well Bernard, Actually I have found a good way to resolve my problem: in the past I had a long correspondance with Philip and I've found an old link that works to download the last version of TE : http://idisk.mac.com/philip_aker/Public/textutils152.sit. Some days ago Hans Swinnen helped me sending his copy of TE; I want to regreat you and Hans for your sollicitude. As for the 7 days you must wait for responde, I'm waiting from 15 days. We are sincerely worried for Philip: hope he changed his job but I don't think so. Let me know any news about him! I'd like to develope his good work but I can't. The only think I can do is to offer you a new update of Latin dictionary. Let me know! Many thanks to all, friends! Giovanni Doro - Original Message - From: Bernard Nussbaumer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Philip Aker's TE plug in You have given me the opportunity to look for Philip Aker and his site (I didn't know before). I tried to download the TE plug-in that you need. I should tell which OS and which Finale version I have (actually I don't have a Mac...). Then it would be necessary to wait till 7 days. Maybe is that the problem...? Sure you know the site: http://homepage.mac.com/philip_aker/plugins.html Sorry, apparently I can't help you. Or else tell me how... Bernard On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:48:01 +0100, Giovanni Doro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had to reformat my computer and I forgotted to make a backup of Philip Aker's Text editor 152b10 for Finale 2003. Actually I can't download it form his site and can't contact him via e-mail. Is there a gentleman who can help me? Please, let me know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks in advance! Giovanni Doro ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Chuck Israels / 05.3.28 / 01:38 PM wrote: It's simply what's built in to this early G5, single processor 1.8. Ahh, then you have no worry since your G5 doesn't have PCI-X and said problematic AMD chipset :-) I don't have GPO yet (will get it when jazz thing comes out), but in general, you want to have samples stored on a separate partition or physical disk. If you have GPO stored on your OSX boot volume, that might explain why your G5/1.5GB is suffering. I have MachFive, EXSP24, and Battery as sample based virtual instruments, and having them separate from OSX boot volume made a huge differences. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Darcy James Argue / 05.3.28 / 03:02 PM wrote: The maximum buffer size in GPO is 512. You cannot increase it beyond this no matter what audio interface you use. Whoa! This is outrageous! Why would they do that? I am not a keyboard player but just a flute player, yet I can't play keyboard at 512. The latency would make me so uncomfortable. Are you really OK with 512? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Darcy James Argue / 05.3.28 / 03:02 PM wrote: The maximum buffer size in GPO is 512. You cannot increase it beyond this no matter what audio interface you use. Oooops. Sorry. You meant you can have it lower than 512 but not bigger? If GPO doesn't allow buffer to be bigger than 512 then it explains why people are suffering from its performance. Did you ask why this is so? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Hiro, MAXIMUM buffer. MAXIMUM. You can set it as low as you like. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 28 Mar 2005, at 3:14 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 05.3.28 / 03:02 PM wrote: The maximum buffer size in GPO is 512. You cannot increase it beyond this no matter what audio interface you use. Whoa! This is outrageous! Why would they do that? I am not a keyboard player but just a flute player, yet I can't play keyboard at 512. The latency would make me so uncomfortable. Are you really OK with 512? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Philip Aker's TE plug in
I wrote the original Latin dictionary for Philip many years ago he needed one to test and tweak the hyphenation routines. I still use the plugin quite frequently on an OLD PowerPC.. it still has its uses! (I export the text results and continue on in PC, tho, I admit.) All that to say I'd love to have a copy of any Latin dictionary that's been updated for the plugin! best to all-- Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) www.harrockhall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Giovanni Doro wrote: I'd like to develope his good work but I can't. The only think I can do is to offer you a new update of Latin dictionary. Let me know! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] EPS response from MM (forwarded)
Hello, All I can say in this matter is we are working on fixing EPS on Windows. We hope to have a solution soon. Phil Sr. Customer Support Representative MakeMusic! Inc. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
The whole system works like it should with TWO or more staves, which is the only situation I can think of where one would even want independent key or independent time signatures enabled. I only discovered it because the SmartScore scanning default leaves that box checked even if there is only one staff. It took quite a while to figure out what was going on. RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] copying rests = new (wrong) durations
is there a way (plugin?) to copy partial measures and have the rest durations as i have defined them NOT be altered? i need to copy a pattern [4+1/16 notes, dotted 8th rest] across 8 instruments with 4 layers, as well as into various parts of the following measures (continuously changing time sigs) and whenever i do this, the final dotted 8th rest is converted into 16th+8th rests. i have tried tricking finale by temporarily changing the time signatures in various manners, but can't find a solution. given the slowness of the programme in general, and the fact that this document is 3MB... (v...e...r...ys...l...o...e.. oh crap a typo, undo..w) and that this problem comes up very often in this document, well i am kind of sick of manually correcting the rests. also i have to correct the rests to correspond to the meter _very_ often, and have been doing this all by hand. i don't want to do it by hand anymore... ultimately what i really want is to be able to buy the newest fastest mac on the market and for us to receive a new finale 2005 updater which corrects the speed issues, but i'm trying to keep my wishes realistic this week, so i'll downsize that last one somewhat and beseech: please oh divine plugin gods shine some of your goodness onto one of your humble worshippers and say, oh that's easy, just check out menu X of my fabulous plugin collection. -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Preparing Orchestral Score and Parts
Ken Moore wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ryan Beard writes: Personally, I don't like wire coil binding. The main reason is that due to the angle of the coil (can't think of a better word at the moment) the page you're turning ends up being lower than the remaining pages. In other words, the left half is slightly lower than the right half. When used on a tilted music stand, it creates just as much noise as the comb binding and it bends the paper on the corners close to the bind. If you mean the noise of the bottom of the paper against the ledge of the music stand, you can avoid that by having a stiff cover, larger than the paper size. You could even give that a separate hinge, so that the spine would remain at right angles to the ledge; in that case you would need to keep all of the coil on the inside of the cover. I have some ideas how to do that, if anyone is interested. I'm interested. When we're talking wire coiling, we're talking about paper that is punched with round holes for a plastic spril coil, right? For those not familiar with the punch machines, see http://www.rhin-o-tuff.com/index.html and their 11/64th round punch. -- John Poole Editions Poole http://www.editionspoole.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Giant Poster of Every Unicode Character
Thought some might get a kick out of this: I did, Darcy! Cool bananas! David McKay www.davidmckay.info http://www.ianalbert.com/misc/unichart.php __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TAN: GPO buffer
On 28 Mar 2005, at 3:18 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: If GPO doesn't allow buffer to be bigger than 512 then it explains why people are suffering from its performance. Did you ask why this is so? Well, I'm still very new to all this sampled instrument library stuff. But if you think the possibility of a larger buffer would help, then I will ask. How large a buffer do you think GPO should allow? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
