Re: [Finale] missing fonts after transfer to new computer

[Karen]

Hi Ryan,

Try this...quit Finale, go to HD>Library>Caches and throw away the  
folder com.apple.ATS.  Then restart your machine.  See if you can  
then see the missing fonts in Finale.


Also, which folder did you put the fonts into?  Sometimes Finale  
doesn't like it if there are duplicate fonts in your ~/Library/Fonts  
folder and HD>Library>Fonts folder.  I have moved my fonts into the  
latter.


Let us know if any of this helps!

Best,

Karen


On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:00 PM, Ryan Beard wrote:


Hi folks,

My apologies if this has already been covered.

I'm on FinMac2004c. Just upgraded to a Mac Mini G4
1Ghz from a Power Mac G4 733Mhz.

After transferring files and applications
automatically duting the start-up of the new computer,
I was able to open Finale successfully. However
tonight, the default music font (Maestro Wide) is
nowhere to be found. I can't currently find my 2004
installer disc, so reinstalling isn't an option.

I did boot up my old computer in target disk mode and
re-transfered the missing fonts and suitcases. This
didn't work either.

EPS files created with those missing fonts do work
properly, so they're on my computer somewhere and
Finale just can't see them, right?

Any suggestions? Help!

Thanks

Ryan




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[Finale] missing fonts after transfer to new computer

[Ryan Beard]

Hi folks,

My apologies if this has already been covered.

I'm on FinMac2004c. Just upgraded to a Mac Mini G4
1Ghz from a Power Mac G4 733Mhz.

After transferring files and applications
automatically duting the start-up of the new computer,
I was able to open Finale successfully. However
tonight, the default music font (Maestro Wide) is
nowhere to be found. I can't currently find my 2004
installer disc, so reinstalling isn't an option.

I did boot up my old computer in target disk mode and
re-transfered the missing fonts and suitcases. This
didn't work either.

EPS files created with those missing fonts do work
properly, so they're on my computer somewhere and
Finale just can't see them, right? 

Any suggestions? Help!

Thanks

Ryan




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Re: [Finale] VERY OT: Tommy, Can You Hear Me?

[John Howell]

At 4:20 PM -0400 8/22/05, Neal Gittleman wrote:
Not at all Finale-related, but you never know who's gonna know what, 
so just in case, let me pose this one to the list...



Here's a poser for everyone...

Back in 1972 or thereabouts there was a recording made of a 
"symphonic version" of the Who's "Tommy" by the London Symphony 
("Tommy - As Performed by the London Symphony Orchestra & Chamber 
Choir").  I'm trying to find out if the music for this thing still 
exists.


Here's my guess, although that's all it is.  That version had to be 
done with the permission of the copyright owner or agent, so my guess 
is that if it's available at all, it would be through the copyright 
owner or agent of the original "Tommy."


John


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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Karen]

When I was using my own default file, I never had this problem/
frustration.




Hi Hiro,

I have always used the same default files that I have taken with me  
starting with Finale 2001.  I have never had any problems with the  
transfer during upgrades.  I have one default file for parts, one for  
scores and one for importing midi files (when I do midi  
transcriptions.)  I don't use the setup wizard so I don't have to  
call my default file Maestro Default file or Jazz Default file.  My  
score file is set up for a large orchestra so it is easy to delete  
parts and respace if necessary.  I am currently considering redoing  
my score default file for GPO playback.  Each default file has one  
measure in it and I use clip files to insert the "form" of the piece.


But there have been times that I have needed to import libraries  
etc.  I use the Library features within Finale for some things  
including Chords as you are trying to do.  I clear out the libraries  
as you have done but then I use Patterson plug-ins Settings Scrapbook  
to move over chord settings too.  (Settings Scrapbook alone is worth  
the price of Bob's plug-ins in my opinion as it really fills in the  
gaps with Finale's Library feature.) You may also try running from  
within the chord tool Chord>Change Chord Suffix Fonts.  There are a  
couple of spacing settings that you can reset.   I have never used  
this feature myself but you may want to try it.  Let me know what you  
find out!


For your text blocks, try out TGTools>Modify>Transfer.  You can  
transfer page text from one document to another as well as many other  
things.  I also use TGTools>Modify>Transfer>Metatools to transfer my  
expression and articulation metatools when necessary.  Look around in  
this part of the TGtools plug-in.  There are a ton of useful things  
there!


Best,

Karen
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[Finale] TAN: Bob Moog

[Brad Beyenhof]

I'm sure many of you already know, but even so it's momentous enough
to note that Bob Moog (of synthesizer fame) died yesterday:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4173510.stm

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[Finale] re: time-based measure widths

[Cecil Rigby]

Hi all-

(I haven't seen Dennis' post- was it to the list?!)

Anyway-  I guess I can use those hidden rests, etc, along with the time sig
spacing and tweak it all to my heart's content. But I'd like to have the
ties on certain notes go farther than this would allow. I guess in those
cases I can drag the hidden notes farther right to make that
possible..

Just thinking there might be an easy way I hadn't thought of yet.

Many thanks, folks!

BTW, it's a subcontract job for a French publisher- a modern score
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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Christopher Smith]

On Aug 22, 2005, at 3:57 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:


Noel Stoutenburg / 2005/08/22 / 03:27 PM wrote:


My original sense was that you were looking for changes to one or more
specific libraries; from this post it seems that you are looking to
change your "Maestro default" file, which would not be done by saving
libraries.


Sorry.  I thought I was clear but probably my bad English.  Let me try
again.  I had been carry over my custom default file for years, which
contains all the settings I need.  Every time I receive new Finale
version, I open the default file then resave as the new default file.
In another word, I had never used Maestro default file before until
people on this list was saying this is a bad idea.

More and more I look into this, I am quite puzzled.  Chord Lib import,
as I explained, doesn't work as expected.  Page format such as title 
and

other page elements doesn't seems to have any way of transferring via
Lib, etc, etc (and other suggestion of using Finale Script did not 
solve
this).  This was why my original question of how others are dealing 
with

this.  When I was using my own default file, I never had this problem/
frustration.



Hiro,

I am one of those who seldom preserves a default file from one version 
to the next, and the things you mentioned are true.


I never use chord playback, so that particular lack in the chord lib 
importation never showed up for me, but I don't doubt that it is true. 
I don't know where those settings are stored, so I can't help you.


I manually change the page size and title settings (though I just 
learned that the defaults are stored in the pagesizes.txt document 
inside the Component Files folder; this file is referred to every time 
new pages are created, such as when extracting parts.)


I also reassign some metatools manually, and set the time sig, lines, 
etc., the way I like them, though I am messing around with those 
settings so much these days that it is no use to me to import them at 
all.


If you only ever open up your default file, using it as a template, 
then some of these won't affect you. If you use the Setup Wizard, 
though, then you have to know what is stored where, and it is not 
always clear, let me tell you!


Anything else not preserved, or not transferable?

Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[A-NO-NE Music]

Christopher Smith / 2005/08/22 / 04:16 PM wrote:

>I never use chord playback, so that particular lack in the chord lib 
>importation never showed up for me, but I don't doubt that it is true. 
>I don't know where those settings are stored, so I can't help you.

I don't use playback too, but I just can't stand how Finale spells chord
name, i.e., minor have to be minus sign for me since that's the only way
to avoid mistake on sight reading sessions, and I like minus sign to be
Courier.  I also depend on MIDI chord entry with specific voicings for
specific chord names.  This is essential to my workflow.

>I manually change the page size and title settings (though I just 
>learned that the defaults are stored in the pagesizes.txt document 
>inside the Component Files folder; this file is referred to every time 
>new pages are created, such as when extracting parts.)

My problem is Text blocks on the Page Layout, i.e., Title with this font
and that size, etc, those which can not be stored in Document Option.

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[David W. Fenton]

On 22 Aug 2005 at 22:16, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

> Personally I have been updating my own default file for quite a long
> time. I don't really see the need to start from scratch with every
> Finale update.

Well, there are so many weird issues that I encounter in files that 
began life in older versions of Finale that I can understand the 
precautions that people take in creating new templates. That is, if 
the problems occur in non-templates, surely they'd be there in 
templates, too.

Any number of the weird problems I've encountered over the years 
occur only in my actual files, and not in files based on current 
templates where I try to recreate the problems. This includes things 
like the tempo tool edits that get completely ignored, and the 
cautionary accidentals that don't copy to another document. There are 
others, too, like the repeats that play correctly but don't show up 
correctly onscreen (i.e., the screen keeps going instead of 
repeating).

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Re: [Finale] plugin idea, re changing order

[Johannes Gebauer]

Noel Stoutenburg schrieb:

When I read it in the list after posting it seems arrogant and preachy.  
That was not intended.


Don't worry, I didn't take it that way. In the particular project I am
working on at the moment I actually have many reasons why keeping
everything in one file is more convenient. The time it takes to change
the page order, although very annoying, is nowhere near the time I would
have to spend on individual files. It's the nature of the project more
than anything else.

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[Finale] VERY OT: Tommy, Can You Hear Me?

[Neal Gittleman]

Not at all Finale-related, but you never know who's gonna know what,  
so just in case, let me pose this one to the list...



Here's a poser for everyone...

Back in 1972 or thereabouts there was a recording made of a  
"symphonic version" of the Who's "Tommy" by the London Symphony  
("Tommy - As Performed by the London Symphony Orchestra & Chamber  
Choir").  I'm trying to find out if the music for this thing still  
exists.  My librarian has turned up the following info, but so far,  
no music:




Produced by Lou Reizner
Arrangements by Wil Malone and James Sullivan
Ode Records, Inc./Distributed by A&M Records, Inc
It was recorded at Olympic Studios, London;  around 1972



If anyone knows anything about this, or knows any of the folks  
named above, please let me know (off- or on-list).  We have a copy  
of the LP, so it's the actual score and parts that we're searching  
for.


Thanks!

ng



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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Johannes Gebauer]

A-NO-NE Music schrieb:

More and more I look into this, I am quite puzzled.  Chord Lib import,
as I explained, doesn't work as expected.  Page format such as title and
other page elements doesn't seems to have any way of transferring via
Lib, etc, etc (and other suggestion of using Finale Script did not solve
this). 


I never work with chords, so I can't help you with that.

Text block handling in Finale is terrible. You may be able to transfer
textblocks from one document to another using TGTools. However, this
hasn't always worked for me as intended, but it's worth a try.

Ideally Finale should allow some standard text blocks which have
changeable standard settings, but alas, it hasn't.

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Johannes Gebauer]

Personally I have been updating my own default file for quite a long
time. I don't really see the need to start from scratch with every
Finale update.

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[A-NO-NE Music]

Noel Stoutenburg / 2005/08/22 / 03:27 PM wrote:

>My original sense was that you were looking for changes to one or more 
>specific libraries; from this post it seems that you are looking to 
>change your "Maestro default" file, which would not be done by saving 
>libraries.

Sorry.  I thought I was clear but probably my bad English.  Let me try
again.  I had been carry over my custom default file for years, which
contains all the settings I need.  Every time I receive new Finale
version, I open the default file then resave as the new default file. 
In another word, I had never used Maestro default file before until
people on this list was saying this is a bad idea.

More and more I look into this, I am quite puzzled.  Chord Lib import,
as I explained, doesn't work as expected.  Page format such as title and
other page elements doesn't seems to have any way of transferring via
Lib, etc, etc (and other suggestion of using Finale Script did not solve
this).  This was why my original question of how others are dealing with
this.  When I was using my own default file, I never had this problem/
frustration.

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Noel Stoutenburg]

A-NO-NE Music wrote:


Say I want certain text block on the page layout, title, credit, etc.,
as well as other page layout related specifics which I used to save to
my default file that carried over years, now I have to do it every time
I receive new Maestro default file.

What is puzzling me is that Save Lib option is not clear.  It won't let
you save only a portion of Document Options yet it has Default Font lib
export besides it.  This is why I asked how others are dealing with this.
 

Well, now I'm confused.  I have WINfin 2k6, but have not yet installed 
it so I'm not totally sure what you mean.


My original sense was that you were looking for changes to one or more 
specific libraries; from this post it seems that you are looking to 
change your "Maestro default" file, which would not be done by saving 
libraries.


ns

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Re: [Finale] plugin idea, re changing order

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Friends

It seemed like a worthwhile comment, when I wrote:

A  bit of time spent considering the project before beginning the 
actual work will prevent this type of event most of the time.


When I read it in the list after posting it seems arrogant and preachy.  
That was not intended. 


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Re: [Finale] plugin idea, re changing order

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Johannes Gebauer wrote:




Noel Stoutenburg schrieb:

There was a time when I would have been nodding my head in agreement 
as I read Johannes' post.  However, I have found what for me is a 
highly effective work-around.  Before I create expressions, 
articulations, or in some cases, smart shapes, I open a new "document 
without libraries" (once called, IIRC, an "empty document") enter a 
note or rest if needed, and create the expression, articulation, or 
smart shape in the newly opened document.  I then save the library, 
which is then available to be loaded into any other document.



So what happens if you need to change an articulation that has already
been used? You would have to do this in all 23 files.


No, I would consider a need for a different ("changed") articulation as 
reason to create another one.   I suppose if I really liked the new one 
well enough to insist on replacing the old one, then I'd go back and 
reload the mini-library into the files, and delete the old one.  A bit 
of time spent considering the project before beginning the actual work 
will prevent this type of event most of the time.


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Re: [Finale] time-based measure widths?

[David W. Fenton]

On 22 Aug 2005 at 8:11, Brad Beyenhof wrote:

> On 22/08/05, Cecil Rigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I need to achieve measure widths based on the number of seconds of
> > time in each measure, and am not satisfied with the results I've had
> > so far.
> 
> Have you tried filling a hidden layer with quarter rests so there's
> something "real" that Finale can use to judge relative measure widths
> when spacing?

Rght -- and keep in mind that the Layer options in Document Options 
allow you to have a layer that is invisible, yet still affects music 
spacing.

This was the first thing I thought of, but when I read Dennis's 
detailed instructions, I realized that laying out an actual score was 
going to make this impossible, since system lenghts are going to 
conflict with the lengths of groups of measures.



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[Finale] Thanks for your mail. My computer is going into the shop today, and I am away until Labor

[John McGann]

Thanks for your mail. My computer is going into the shop today, and I am away 
until Labor Day. I will try to check my email/phone periodically...if you have 
sent an mp3 for evaluation, it will take place after Labor Day (Sept. 5th). If 
you are a Berklee student looking for an ensemble waiver, I will attend to that 
the first week of September as well. Thank you for your patience!
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Re: [Finale] time-based measure widths?

[Johannes Gebauer]

(Henry, where are you... resent to the list)


A fifteen second measure??

Whatever, you will have to use Time Signature Spacing to achieve
something close to what you want. Note Spacing will not do it. You will
also have to adjust the measure width manually, I believe (ie, select
the measures you want to change, doubleclick the selection and change
the width, won't take long).

Just out of curiosity, what do you need this for?

Johannes

Cecil Rigby schrieb:

Hi all-

I need to achieve measure widths based on the number of seconds of time in
each measure, and am not satisfied with the results I've had so far.

I set up each measure to have as many quarter beats as seconds, but of
course when I used any of the spacing options those measures that were blank
went to the default minimum measure width. When there's fifteen seconds of
silence then I want that measure to be the same width as one that might have
twenty notes in it over the same length of time.

Am I being clear as mud?

Can someone help me figure out what is the best approach for doing what I
need to do?

Many thanks!
Cecil Rigby
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Re: [Finale] time-based measure widths?

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

At 10:16 AM 8/22/05 -0400, Cecil Rigby wrote:
>I need to achieve measure widths based on the number of seconds of time in
>each measure, and am not satisfied with the results I've had so far.
>Can someone help me figure out what is the best approach for doing what I
>need to do?

Hi Cecil,

I've also had to do this. It can be tricky, and the ease of doing it
depends on whether your measures are the same or different times.

This is roughly the order I use, assuming I'm not forgetting anything. The
operant thought is: plan ahead!

1. Turn off automatic measure spacing updates and turn on automatic update
layout.
2. Make advance calculations on how long (number of seconds/beats) each
measure must be. That will determine how they fall into systems.
3. Put all the measures in place (blank if need be).
4. Organize the number of measures per system by dragging their widths
crudely, and then lock the systems one by one. (This is a temporary step
just so you can lock the systems with the right number of measures. Cleanup
comes later.)
5. Enter the material into the measures.
6. Apply time signature spacing, which makes the note values proportional
to the time as well as the measures being proportional to the time.
7. In each measure's properties, change its width to the size it should be
to be time-synchronized.
8. At this point, it won't look right unless all your measures are equal
time amounts. If they are, you're done.
9. This step depends on how the music must look -- in other words, if the
system ends are staggered to match the real time. If they aren't to be
staggered, you're done. If they are really to match time and are staggered,
calculate the line width for each system based on the real time.
10. In page layout view, set the system right margin so the resulting
measures are the correct width in that system. Repeat one by one with each
system until insane.

That should do it.

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] time-based measure widths?

[Brad Beyenhof]

On 22/08/05, Cecil Rigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to achieve measure widths based on the number of seconds of time in
> each measure, and am not satisfied with the results I've had so far.

Cecil:

Have you tried filling a hidden layer with quarter rests so there's
something "real" that Finale can use to judge relative measure widths
when spacing?

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[Finale] time-based measure widths?

[Cecil Rigby]

Hi all-

I need to achieve measure widths based on the number of seconds of time in
each measure, and am not satisfied with the results I've had so far.

I set up each measure to have as many quarter beats as seconds, but of
course when I used any of the spacing options those measures that were blank
went to the default minimum measure width. When there's fifteen seconds of
silence then I want that measure to be the same width as one that might have
twenty notes in it over the same length of time.

Am I being clear as mud?

Can someone help me figure out what is the best approach for doing what I
need to do?

Many thanks!
Cecil Rigby
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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[A-NO-NE Music]

Noel Stoutenburg / 2005/08/22 / 02:45 AM wrote:

>I think the way to do this is to sit down, spend some time 
>thinking
>about the work you do, and deciding what expressions and 
>articulations
>you most commonly need.

Thanks for your response, but not sure what you mean.  I am not looking
for template or sort.  Let's say Chord Library is one as I mentioned,
how I want default page layout is another, while line thickness and
these Finale default I don't like is the ones in question.

Say I want certain text block on the page layout, title, credit, etc.,
as well as other page layout related specifics which I used to save to
my default file that carried over years, now I have to do it every time
I receive new Maestro default file.

What is puzzling me is that Save Lib option is not clear.  It won't let
you save only a portion of Document Options yet it has Default Font lib
export besides it.  This is why I asked how others are dealing with this.

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Re: [Finale] plugin idea, re changing order

[Johannes Gebauer]

Noel Stoutenburg schrieb:

There was a time when I would have been nodding my head in agreement as 
I read Johannes' post.  However, I have found what for me is a highly 
effective work-around.  Before I create expressions, articulations, or 
in some cases, smart shapes, I open a new "document without libraries" 
(once called, IIRC, an "empty document") enter a note or rest if needed, 
and create the expression, articulation, or smart shape in the newly 
opened document.  I then save the library, which is then available to be 
loaded into any other document.


So what happens if you need to change an articulation that has already
been used? You would have to do this in all 23 files.

As I review the initial post, though, I am struck by another suggestion 
(though not so hard as to be painful).  If the pieces you need to change 
between item 9 and item 10 are full pages, why not just change the page 
numbers, by adding or subtracting the nessary offsets?  


I need the Finale file to be in the correct order.

Johannes
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