Re: [Finale] How long to finish a Finale Project (Baroque Music)

[A-NO-NE Music]

Kim Patrick Clow / 2006/05/11 / 06:33 PM wrote:

>My question for you: how long on average does it take you from
>start to finish on a project?


A 32 bars lead sheet, rush job right before gig, 27 min average.
:-)


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Re: [Finale] part extraction question

[Christopher Smith]

On May 12, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:


On May 12, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:


In the rare instances where there actually are three distinct parts 
for the violins (not octave-doublings of other voices) the conductor 
split the firsts and seconds in this way:


The front 2/3 desks of firsts played violin 1.
The front 2/3 desks of seconds played violin 2.
The back 1/3 desks of firsts and seconds played violin 3.

This way the players playing the same parts sit together, and are 
more or less evenly weighted. The concert master tells me that this 
last method is overwhelmingly the most usual way of dividing three 
ways


Thanks very much for remembering the question, and for this 
illuminating reply. I note, though, that the method of division 
suggested only works if all the violins are seated together (the 
20th-c. model). If the 1sts and 2nds are on opposite sides of the 
stage (as anticipated by all composers pre-Mahler), then the "violin 
3" grouping would end up being played by two widely separated bodies 
of players, creating precisely the kind of ensemble-coordination 
issues that Mahler hoped to avoid when he reorganized the orchl. 
layout.




Yes I can see that, but this was 1937, and S. certainly knew all about 
Mahler (his 4th had an obvious debt to Mahler) so I think we can 
reasonably assume S. was envisioning 1sts and 2nds seated together.


Although, opposite seating wouldn't kill the effect with different 
planning. Firsts could be front stands on both sides, seconds back 
stands to the conductor's left, thirds back stands to his right.


Christopher

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Re: [Finale] 3 violin parts and rehearsal letters - numbers

[Christopher Smith]

I got a look at the other edition's violin parts, finally.

First and second violins are written normally for the entire symphony, 
but there is a part for Violin 3 that has mvt. 1,2 and 4 marked Tacet!


I imagine the idea was to distribute this third violin part to selected 
members of the firsts and/or seconds to substitute for the mvt. 3 they 
had in their parts.


I kind of like the other edition's idea (having all three staves on 
both firsts and seconds) much better, as our conductor did.


BTW, the concert was tonight; it went great!

Christopher



On May 12, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:


Thought that might be it...for that movement, both the Violin 1 and
Violin 2 parts have a three-staff system showing all parts.  No
specification is given about how to divide it - having a 'rear section'
is common, but I've also played it with normal a3 divisi,



What's a "normal" a3 divisi? That was part of the original question, 
too. The only answer I have managed to find is, "Whatever the conductor 
tells you to do."




which produced
a wonderfully-uniform texture, but was more challenging both for
conductor and players.




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Subject: Re: [Finale] 3 violin parts and rehearsal letters - numbers


This was a thread a couple of months ago.  I believe someone
had a score
with 3 violin parts for a movement or so, and I suggested the
Shostakovitch Fifth as a  precedent. I knew the score was
three distinct
parts for only the third movement, but was not sure how the
violin parts
were handled.


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Re: [Finale] OT: Win2K install help needed

[Bill Baker]

On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 11:44 -0400, "A-NO-NE Music" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Sorry for OT post.  There are many Win experts on list, and hoping
> someone knows the answer.
> 
> My wife wants to use my old Thinkpad 240 sitting in my closet.  It has
> IBM USB external CDROM drive, which won't boot, naturally.  I have
> searched bootdisk.com and IBM site but there is no DOS driver for this
> drive.
> 
> The only way I could think of how to clean install Win2K is:
> 1) Create 4 boot diskettes off the installer CD
> 2) Boot from the diskettes and copy all the cab files to C:
> I'd think C: needs to be FAT since NT installer is DOS
> 3) Convert FAT to NTFS then expand the partition size afterward
> 
> This is a tedious procedure.  I was wondering if anyone know any
> better way.
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> P.S. Boy Mac is easier... 

I don't see any reason why you would have to make C: be a FAT partition,
since you would be booting from Win2K installer disks.  I believe the
text-based part of the install will support NTFS.

Now if you're going to boot from a Win98 disk and start the install
program, then yes, you would need to create partitions first, and they
would have to be FAT32.  However, depending on the size of the disk, you
wouldn't necessarily have to resize the partition, since FAT32 supports
up to a 32GB partition and you mentioned that your laptop was old.

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Re: [Finale] playback tempo problem

[Chuck Israels]

Yes, Lon.

This works.  Many thanks.

Chuck


On May 13, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Lon Price wrote:

In Fin 2K6 go to Studio View.  In Tempo Tap, hit Edit. You'll see a  
line showing where the tempo is.  Use Command-A to select all. In  
the main menu go to Midi Tool.  Select "Set To:" and type in the  
tempo you want.  It will be set from beginning to end.  If you only  
need to change the affected areas, go to those measures and  
highlight the offending tempos, then change them to the tempo you  
want as above.


On May 13, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:

I am working on a piece in which I have imported some entries from  
another arrangement, and there is a strange playback anomaly.   
Even though I've defined a measure expression to control the  
playback tempo, (and set it similarly in the playback control  
window, just to be doubly sure), the piece only plays back in the  
(faster) tempo of the version from which entries have been  
imported.  I have deleted all expressions from the opening measure  
of the new piece to no avail.  Nothing changes this.  Ideas?


Thanks,

Chuck


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230 North Garden Terrace
Bellingham, WA 98225-5836
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fax (360) 676-6055
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Re: [Finale] playback tempo problem

[Lon Price]

In Fin 2K6 go to Studio View.  In Tempo Tap, hit Edit. You'll see a  
line showing where the tempo is.  Use Command-A to select all. In the  
main menu go to Midi Tool.  Select "Set To:" and type in the tempo  
you want.  It will be set from beginning to end.  If you only need to  
change the affected areas, go to those measures and highlight the  
offending tempos, then change them to the tempo you want as above.


On May 13, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:

I am working on a piece in which I have imported some entries from  
another arrangement, and there is a strange playback anomaly.  Even  
though I've defined a measure expression to control the playback  
tempo, (and set it similarly in the playback control window, just  
to be doubly sure), the piece only plays back in the (faster) tempo  
of the version from which entries have been imported.  I have  
deleted all expressions from the opening measure of the new piece  
to no avail.  Nothing changes this.  Ideas?


Thanks,

Chuck


Chuck Israels
230 North Garden Terrace
Bellingham, WA 98225-5836
phone (360) 671-3402
fax (360) 676-6055
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Re: [Finale] OT: Win2K install help needed

[A-NO-NE Music]

David W. Fenton / 2006/05/13 / 02:59 PM wrote:
>Not sure I understand. Setup.exe copied from the install CD should 
>not be a Windows program. It will launch the Windows GUI in contexts 
>where it makes sense, but is actually a "DOS" program, so should run 
>from a Win9x command prompt.

Nope.
I just tried your suggestion by creating a temp partition and copied the
entire CD contents.  Booting off Win98 boot disk, the Setup.exe returns
'This program can not run under DOS', as I thought.  There is no other
setup.exe other than ones for additional components, while I was hoping
something DSO compatible hidden somewhere :-(

Noel Stoutenburg / 2006/05/13 / 04:02 PM wrote:
>I assume you have done an internet search for DOS USB drivers.  They are 
>out there.

I don't know how to find it.  Unlike Mac, it won't even show the
manufacture.  The device list shows "IBM USB CD-ROM USB Device".  If I
search by the part number, I get only one hit of a company who repair
these legacy units, but no driver.

By the way, during the search, I saw quite a few posts about IBM USB CD
DOS driver won't mount installer CD, and IBM isn't supporting it.  Oh well :_(

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[Finale] Compile vs. print

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

I'm still stuck in the PDF issues in Finale 2K6c. I bought the EPS combiner
so I could export EPS from Finale to the 9.2x12.2 pages that I use (as
Finale's compile doesn't accept custom page size values) and create the
full PDF from there. I thought I was home free. :)

But something else is up. Just one character, an upward 16th flag, is
misplaced. It's the only character that has a problem (no other flags in
either direction, or other characters), and every character of the font
fully validates in the font creation program (this is the modified Revere
I've been working with). It has a FAN file, not that it should matter.

It displays correctly. It prints correctly to the non-postscript Xerox,
Canon, HP and Epson printers. It prints correctly to Postscript. But it
doesn't compile or export correctly.

Anyone who really knows something about Postscript, could you look here?
I've set out several screen captures at 400% magnification. 
http://maltedmedia.com/whatupfinale.html

Only the compile and export versions (distilled with Distiller 5) misplace
the flag (and also the stems slightly). When it's run through Ghostscript
instead of Distiller, it makes the stems thinner but still misplaces the
flag. 

The export to TIFF works correctly, however, but is of course jagged.

If it is print to file (Acrobat 3 or 5), it produces a proper PDF, but as
we have all experienced, the screen display is poor at normal
magnifications, the curves and angled lines are more jagged (even when
using 2400 dpi output), and the resulting PDF file is up to 20 times larger.

I can live with the misplaced stems. But I don't know what would be
affecting just this one character. I really like the look of the scores
with this font. Any experts who would know where to look in the font (if
that in fact is the problem) to fix this?

Many thanks,
Dennis





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Re: [Finale] OT: Win2K install help needed

[Noel Stoutenburg]

A-NO-NE Music wrote:


Sorry for OT post.  There are many Win experts on list, and hoping
someone knows the answer.

My wife wants to use my old Thinkpad 240 sitting in my closet.  It has
IBM USB external CDROM drive, which won't boot, naturally.  I have
searched bootdisk.com and IBM site but there is no DOS driver for this drive.

I assume you have done an internet search for DOS USB drivers.  They are 
out there.  I search this periodically because my laptop has no direct 
CD connection, and if I ever have a significant error, I'll either have 
to resort to these to reload my OS, or revert to DOS or WIN 3.11.


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Re: [Finale] playback tempo problem

[Chuck Israels]

On May 13, 2006, at 11:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this work? -   Go to:  Playback settings (the little loudspeaker icon) - playback options - un-check "play recorded tempo changes"Thanks, Lawrence, but this makes no difference.Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com  ___
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Re: [Finale] OT: Win2K install help needed

[David W. Fenton]

On 13 May 2006 at 14:28, A-NO-NE Music wrote:

> David W. Fenton / 2006/05/13 / 01:58 PM wrote:
> 
> >Well, the way to do that is to use non-destructive partitioning
> >software like Partition Magic to create a new partition to which you
> >copy the files. Then wipe the old partition and install from the new
> >one.
> 
> I am a long time Power Quest products user, even after Symantec killed
> them :-) What you are saying seems to be the way to go.  I just need
> to ask you one last question.  When you reinstall from CD to the
> existing Win2K volume with file copy option, it rewrites the boot.ini
> for installer to kick in on reboot.  This can't be done with your
> method above.  If I remember correctly, Win98 boot disk won't let you
> run copied Setup.exe because it's Win32 that DOS can't run.  So, how
> do I run the Setup.exe from the temporary partition you mentioned
> above?

Not sure I understand. Setup.exe copied from the install CD should 
not be a Windows program. It will launch the Windows GUI in contexts 
where it makes sense, but is actually a "DOS" program, so should run 
from a Win9x command prompt.

> If I did reinstall over existing WINNT directory, it gives you clean
> Win2K but leaves tons of garbage in Program Folder those which
> registries are long gone.  If I remember correctly, Win2K installer
> does not offer to remove all the garbage directories.  Is there any
> reliable freeware to clean this mess?

I think you mean if you install Windows into a new folder, you get a 
clean Windows installation, but still have the old Programs folder. I 
see no way around this, but I've always considered it an *advantage*, 
since some portion of those programs need not be re-installed to run. 
Of course, I do this only when I'm trying to clean up an existing 
machine, not initialize a new one, so I'm not wanting to delete the 
programs.

I don't know of any way to do it, except with one of the commercial 
uninstallers, which generally take longer to run than it would take 
to delete the existing program files folder and re-build it entirely 
by re-installing all your apps.

You'd want to delete it before installing your new copy of Windows, 
since Windows installs some files in the Common Files folder.

> I am not sure if anyone else on this list is interested in this thread
> so I probably should switch to private exchange soon.  Thanks David.

I don't mind if it stays public.

The fact is, I don't re-install Windows that often, because the PCs I 
manage are well-cared for and well-configured in the first place and 
generally simply don't suffer from bit-rot. And more and more we're 
making pristine images and if a re-install *is* necessary, we just 
image back to the original state, instead of running the installers.

So, there are a lot of situations that I just haven't encountered, 
simply because the practices I implement with my clients mean that 
things never get to the state that I have to do any of those kinds of 
installs. And installing Win2K over Win9x is something I've never 
done, because I never considered any box built for Win9x to be 
adequate to run Win2K in the first place. The only exceptions to 
that, I believe, would be Win98 and WinME boxes that were purchased 
after Win2K was already out, and that should have been purchased with 
Win2K installed on them in the first place. But many people were 
victims of MS's marketing confusion, where they made people think 
that Win2K was not for home use, but for corporate use only. That was 
a bloody stupid marketing decision on MS's part, as Win2K was one of 
the best versions of Windows ever released. It and Win2K3 Server are 
my current favorites of all time (I hate XP).

But now I truly *am* getting into territory that probably nobody 
gives a rat's ass about. . .

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Re: [Finale] playback tempo problem

[YATESLAWRENCE]

Does this work? -
 
Go to:  Playback settings (the little loudspeaker icon) - 
playback options - un-check "play recorded tempo changes"
 
All the best,
 
Lawrence
 
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Re: [Finale] OT: Win2K install help needed

[A-NO-NE Music]

David W. Fenton / 2006/05/13 / 01:58 PM wrote:

>Well, the way to do that is to use non-destructive partitioning 
>software like Partition Magic to create a new partition to which you 
>copy the files. Then wipe the old partition and install from the new 
>one.

I am a long time Power Quest products user, even after Symantec killed
them :-)
What you are saying seems to be the way to go.  I just need to ask you
one last question.  When you reinstall from CD to the existing Win2K
volume with file copy option, it rewrites the boot.ini for installer to
kick in on reboot.  This can't be done with your method above.  If I
remember correctly, Win98 boot disk won't let you run copied Setup.exe
because it's Win32 that DOS can't run.  So, how do I run the Setup.exe
from the temporary partition you mentioned above?

If I did reinstall over existing WINNT directory, it gives you clean
Win2K but leaves tons of garbage in Program Folder those which
registries are long gone.  If I remember correctly, Win2K installer does
not offer to remove all the garbage directories.  Is there any reliable
freeware to clean this mess?

I am not sure if anyone else on this list is interested in this thread
so I probably should switch to private exchange soon.  Thanks David.

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Re: [Finale] OT: Win2K install help needed

[David W. Fenton]

On 13 May 2006 at 12:39, A-NO-NE Music wrote:

> Since it has Win2KJP on it that I installed with the tedious steps I
> mentioned, installing by copying cab files from Setup.exe running
> under Win32 is possible as you suggested.  My problem is I want to
> reformat the drive before installing, or I don't feel it is a clean
> install. Sorry I wasn't clear on this.

Well, the way to do that is to use non-destructive partitioning 
software like Partition Magic to create a new partition to which you 
copy the files. Then wipe the old partition and install from the new 
one.

This assumes, of course, that you have the partitioning software 
already. If you don't, it's worth getting, as it makes life very nice 
for managing partitions and moving free space around.

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[Finale] playback tempo problem

[Chuck Israels]

I am working on a piece in which I have imported some entries from  
another arrangement, and there is a strange playback anomaly.  Even  
though I've defined a measure expression to control the playback  
tempo, (and set it similarly in the playback control window, just to  
be doubly sure), the piece only plays back in the (faster) tempo of  
the version from which entries have been imported.  I have deleted  
all expressions from the opening measure of the new piece to no  
avail.  Nothing changes this.  Ideas?


Thanks,

Chuck


Chuck Israels
230 North Garden Terrace
Bellingham, WA 98225-5836
phone (360) 671-3402
fax (360) 676-6055
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Re: [Finale] OT: Win2K install help needed

[A-NO-NE Music]

David W. Fenton / 2006/05/13 / 11:59 AM wrote:

>I think there ought to be a way to install Win2K from the CD, 
>assuming an OS is already installed that can read the CD. If it's 
>Win9x, just reboot to the DOS prompt, and run the install from there. 
>Of course, that rather assumes DOS drivers, which you say don't exist 
>(which makes no sense to me).

Thanks for your quick response.  I didn't mean DOS driver doesn't
exist.  I just can't find it.  I have searched all over the places but
to no avail.  I tried a few which I hoped to work but didn't.

This is the constant problem using PC for me.  As soon as I buy PC, I
have to clean install Win2KJP because we can't use Windows sold in US as
is.  Windows is still the only OS which isn't single binary install. 
Microsoft purposely cripple .dlls so you have to pay a lot more extra to
get the correct .dlls.


>Or copy the files from the CD to the hard drive, then run the install 
>from the hard drive.

Since it has Win2KJP on it that I installed with the tedious steps I
mentioned, installing by copying cab files from Setup.exe running under
Win32 is possible as you suggested.  My problem is I want to reformat
the drive before installing, or I don't feel it is a clean install. 
Sorry I wasn't clear on this.

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Re: [Finale] OT: Win2K install help needed

[David W. Fenton]

On 13 May 2006 at 11:44, A-NO-NE Music wrote:

> My wife wants to use my old Thinkpad 240 sitting in my closet.  It has
> IBM USB external CDROM drive, which won't boot, naturally.  I have
> searched bootdisk.com and IBM site but there is no DOS driver for this
> drive.
> 
> The only way I could think of how to clean install Win2K is:
> 1) Create 4 boot diskettes off the installer CD
> 2) Boot from the diskettes and copy all the cab files to C:
> I'd think C: needs to be FAT since NT installer is DOS
> 3) Convert FAT to NTFS then expand the partition size afterward
> 
> This is a tedious procedure.  I was wondering if anyone know any
> better way. Thanks in advance.
> 
> P.S. Boy Mac is easier...

This was a hardware design error on IBM's part, seems to me, either 
that, or it's just really old hardware, since it was only relatively 
recently (in the last 5-7 years) that CD-ROM drives became bootable 
in most PC BIOS's. Before then you had to load drivers in memory 
before the CD became usable. And laptops were always different, 
anyway, since the CDs were often outboard components, each maker 
doing it differently than the others.

I think there ought to be a way to install Win2K from the CD, 
assuming an OS is already installed that can read the CD. If it's 
Win9x, just reboot to the DOS prompt, and run the install from there. 
Of course, that rather assumes DOS drivers, which you say don't exist 
(which makes no sense to me).

Or copy the files from the CD to the hard drive, then run the install 
from the hard drive.

But in all cases, because you're installing over a non-NT OS (my 
assumption, could be wrong), you will have to do the NTFS conversion 
after the installation. This is a time-consuming, but safe operation. 
Just reboot and let it run. It doesn't require any babysitting.

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[Finale] OT: Win2K install help needed

[A-NO-NE Music]

Sorry for OT post.  There are many Win experts on list, and hoping
someone knows the answer.

My wife wants to use my old Thinkpad 240 sitting in my closet.  It has
IBM USB external CDROM drive, which won't boot, naturally.  I have
searched bootdisk.com and IBM site but there is no DOS driver for this drive.

The only way I could think of how to clean install Win2K is:
1) Create 4 boot diskettes off the installer CD
2) Boot from the diskettes and copy all the cab files to C:
I'd think C: needs to be FAT since NT installer is DOS
3) Convert FAT to NTFS then expand the partition size afterward

This is a tedious procedure.  I was wondering if anyone know any better way.
Thanks in advance.

P.S. Boy Mac is easier...

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Re: [Finale] Dotted quarter rests

[dhbailey]

Pierre Bailleul wrote:

Dear list,
Dou you know a way to change automatically all the dotted quarter rests 
in quarter rests + eighth rests?

Thanks for your responses.
Pierre.


You might try highlighting a section and using the retranscribe command, 
but in the Quantization settings UNcheck the box for Allow Dotted Rests, 
and seeing if that works.



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[Finale] Dotted quarter rests

[Pierre Bailleul]

Dear list,
Dou you know a way to change automatically all the dotted quarter rests in 
quarter rests + eighth rests?

Thanks for your responses.
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