Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
On May 14, 2007, at 1:16 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Finished editing, all the old text expressions, articulations, and chords on this ancient score has been replaced with current libraries. Only to realize Slash notation and Rhythmic notation, which are displayed correctly on the score, aren't displayed correctly on parts anymore. More than half of them are intermittently invisible, while a few places are replaced with incorrect Staff Style. If I apply Stuff Style on these spots, the ones on the score disappears in tern. Totally weird. Data Check but to no avail. I want to delete all the parts which contains Slash notation and recreate parts from the scratch, but I can't find how to do this without deleting good ones. I vaguely remember this has been mentioned on the list but I can't find the thread with my guess of the subject. While in the part, Staff Tool, Select all, then in the Staff Menu Reset Staff Styles to Score. Darcy pointed out that this is kind of like Update Layout used to be; you had to keep hitting it all the time to make sure everything was displaying correctly. In your case, I suggest Undo List back to the place where you discovered this problem, then apply the above command. I don't know why the parts become disconnected from the score where Staff Styles are concerned, but you are supposed to be able to have different Staff Styles in the parts and score by changing them in the parts. Something went wacky somewhere, though. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
At 01:16 AM 5/14/2007, A-NO-NE Music wrote: I want to delete all the parts which contains Slash notation and recreate parts from the scratch, but I can't find how to do this without deleting good ones. Document | Manage Parts. Select the part you want to delete, then Delete Part. I highlight Guitar under Available Instruments, Add to Part then New Part. This ends up producing Part 19 which is completely empty. According to the manual, I think I am doing this correctly, no? No, that's slightly backwards. First hit New Part, producing an empty Part 19 or whatever, and *then* select Guitar and do Add to Part (making sure that Part 19 is still selected in the Linked Parts list. Then OK when you're done. As long as you don't hit the Generate Parts button, you will not destroy your existing parts. Generate Parts (which is a terribly named button) will delete all of your existing parts and regenerate a complete set of default parts. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
Aaron, I hope you read my reply to Hiro. He doesn't need to do this! Just Reset Staff Styles to Score will solve his problem, and creating new parts won't necessarily help him, as the new parts might have the same issues! Christopher On May 14, 2007, at 7:23 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 01:16 AM 5/14/2007, A-NO-NE Music wrote: I want to delete all the parts which contains Slash notation and recreate parts from the scratch, but I can't find how to do this without deleting good ones. Document | Manage Parts. Select the part you want to delete, then Delete Part. I highlight Guitar under Available Instruments, Add to Part then New Part. This ends up producing Part 19 which is completely empty. According to the manual, I think I am doing this correctly, no? No, that's slightly backwards. First hit New Part, producing an empty Part 19 or whatever, and *then* select Guitar and do Add to Part (making sure that Part 19 is still selected in the Linked Parts list. Then OK when you're done. As long as you don't hit the Generate Parts button, you will not destroy your existing parts. Generate Parts (which is a terribly named button) will delete all of your existing parts and regenerate a complete set of default parts. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
At 08:02 AM 5/14/2007, Christopher Smith wrote: Aaron, I hope you read my reply to Hiro. He doesn't need to do this! Just Reset Staff Styles to Score will solve his problem, and creating new parts won't necessarily help him, as the new parts might have the same issues! Yes, I did read your reply -- sorry I didn't mention that. I know that your solution gets at the root cause of Hiro's problem, but I wanted also to post an answer to his procedural questions, since that aspect of part management is not that intuitive and since it may be useful in other contexts. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] dash or hyphen?
Dear listers, what is typographically correct for us-english, brit-english: 1) No 1 (bars 22-23) with hyphen (Alt 045) or 2) No 1 (bars 2223) with dash, 'Gedankenstrich' (Alt 0150) with or without blank spaces around the dash? ...or whatever? Thank you. Raimund Lintzen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] dash or hyphen?
At 02:10 PM 5/14/2007 +0200, Raimund Lintzen wrote: 2) No 1 (bars 2223) with dash, 'Gedankenstrich' (Alt 0150) According to the Chicago Manual of Style (one of several references, but the one I prefer), it is the en dash (Alt-0150) without spaces. (Chicago Manual section 5.115). This is a connecting dash that is used for 'continuing or inclusive numbers' -- dates, times, pages, or reference numbers. (It is also used for implicit connections, such as John Doe, 1940-) (A hyphen is used for non-continuing numbers, such as telephone numbers, Social Security numbers, etc.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
Christopher Smith / 2007/05/14 / 06:21 AM wrote: While in the part, Staff Tool, Select all, then in the Staff Menu Reset Staff Styles to Score. You have been keep saving me, Christopher! Aaron Sherber / 2007/05/14 / 07:23 AM wrote: No, that's slightly backwards. First hit New Part, producing an empty Part 19 or whatever, and *then* select Guitar and do Add to Part (making sure that Part 19 is still selected in the Linked Parts list. Then OK when you're done. Woa, this is kinda unintuitive, and with my English as the Second Language skill, the manual wasn't too clear about this. Thanks for the instruction. This is good to know for the future in case I want to recreate parts. I am curious, tho. Creating an empty part first seems to be totally unnatural process to me. Is it OK with everyone else? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] .ps to .pdf errors
Using both Adobe reader and Preview on my Mac G5 with Finale 2007c, I compiled postscript files of a 4 page score by selecting ALL in the dialog box. The pages would not convert to .pdf files, and I got an error message stating that the files were either the wrong type or they were corrupted. I tried several times with the same result. Then I tried it one page at a time, and was able to convert 2 of the 4 pages. Only the title page and the last page refused to convert. I restarted the computer, made another .ps of page 1 and double clicked it. It converted to a .pdf using Preview. Now, nothing seems to work on page 4, which still sends me bad file messages. Is there a .ps problem in FINMAC 2007c? Herman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
At 09:17 AM 5/14/2007, A-NO-NE Music wrote: I am curious, tho. Creating an empty part first seems to be totally unnatural process to me. Is it OK with everyone else? It's okay with me. g Although the layout of the Manage Parts dialog is not great, the text on the button, 'Add to Part', actually gives you a clue here. 'Add to Part' implies that there has to already be a part to add the instrument to. Think of it in terms of pen and paper: If you want to make a new trumpet part, you need to first grab a clean sheet of manuscript paper before penciling in the clefs and keys sigs. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] dash or hyphen?
Raimund Lintzen wrote: what is typographically correct for us-english, brit-english: 1) No 1 (bars 22-23) with hyphen (Alt 045) or 2) No 1 (bars 2223) with dash, 'Gedankenstrich' (Alt 0150) with or without blank spaces around the dash? You didn't ask this, but for what it is worth, when doing academic writing about music, some institutions insist on referring to bars as measures. (Bars are the lines, not the contents, although I think that is debatable.) Furthermore, the abbreviation for one measure is m., as in m. 22. Two or more measures get the mm. treatment (i.e. mm. 22, 23 or mm. 22-23). I thought that if you were concerned about the right kind of dashes, you might also want to consider this other bit of fussiness. Fortunately for me, this list happily accepts anything a person wants to call it. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
On 14-May-07, at 9:17 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: You have been keep saving me, Christopher! Heh, heh, thanks! Well, I pay back what I get... I am curious, tho. Creating an empty part first seems to be totally unnatural process to me. Is it OK with everyone else? There is NOTHING about Finale that I found natural at first, and some of it was (and still is) completely counterintuitive. All I do is shrug and learn how Finale wants me to do it. Sometimes I swear, too. On the plus side, I only have to deal with this item with old files or when adding instruments to existing files, as parts are created automatically when I use the Setup Wizard. I notice in the status bar I get helpful hints sometimes about tool behaviour that save me from doing something stupid. Aaron mentioned one place where a hint like that would save a lot of trouble; the Generate Parts button, which will erase all your existing parts! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
At 11:09 AM 5/14/2007, A-NO-NE Music wrote: This is seriously screwed up. Now the vibe part is a duplicate of guitar part. Is it possible that you had the vibe part selected when you did 'Add to Part' with the guitar? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
Aaron Sherber / 2007/05/14 / 11:29 AM wrote: Is it possible that you had the vibe part selected when you did 'Add to Part' with the guitar? It is hard to believe such could had happened. Last night, when I found out Stuff Style in the parts are all screwed up, I went back to the known good backup file, which was before I reworked with the Manage Parts dialog. I think this file is somewhat corrupted. During the rehearsal, I realized I mistakenly gave 2 bar repeat sigh on vibe where it is supposed to be rests. Right after the rehearsal, I cleared the Stuff Style on that spot right away. Just 5 minute ago, I reassigned vibe to the vibe part by removing guitar part from it. I see the correct 8 bars rests instead of the 2 bar repeat in the middle. This is how it is in the score, of course. For another reason, I browsed to the guitar part and came back to the vibe part. The 2 bar repeat reappeared!! Went to score, and it's there, too!! Went to check with the score printout I made last night. It's not there?!!! My conclusion is that editing old Finale file has been always troublesome, and this department has not been improved. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
On May 14, 2007, at 9:00 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: My conclusion is that editing old Finale file has been always troublesome, and this department has not been improved. I have had similar experiences, and the older the file, the more trouble. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
On 14-May-07, at 12:00 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Aaron Sherber / 2007/05/14 / 11:29 AM wrote: Is it possible that you had the vibe part selected when you did 'Add to Part' with the guitar? It is hard to believe such could had happened. Last night, when I found out Stuff Style in the parts are all screwed up, I went back to the known good backup file, which was before I reworked with the Manage Parts dialog. I think this file is somewhat corrupted. During the rehearsal, I realized I mistakenly gave 2 bar repeat sigh on vibe where it is supposed to be rests. Right after the rehearsal, I cleared the Stuff Style on that spot right away. Remember that 2-measure repeats are staff styles, so they would be screwed up unless you specifically went and re-linked the staff styles to score. Chrsto9pher] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] dash or hyphen?
On May 14, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Randolph Peters wrote: for what it is worth, when doing academic writing about music, some institutions insist on referring to bars as measures. (Bars are the lines, not the contents, although I think that is debatable.) Furthermore, the abbreviation for one measure is m., as in m. 22. Two or more measures get the mm. treatment (i.e. mm. 22, 23 or mm. 22-23). This is American vs. British usage. In the UK, bar can refer to either the line or the contents. In the US, bar means only the line in academic writing, and the contents are a measure. However, colloquial US English uses bar in the British sense all the time--it's just not acceptable in formal writing. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] dash or hyphen?
On 14-May-07, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 14/05/2007 17:58:40 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: actually I believe bars is correct in Brit. English Yes it is. (Along with minims, crotchets and quavers and pints of ale!) Yeah, and it's TWENTY OUNCE pints over your way, not our measly little 16 oz. pints that we have here in Canada and the US. Even a bass trombonist can be happy in Britain, whether talking about measures, bars, or pubs! 8-) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
Christopher Smith / 2007/05/14 / 01:10 PM wrote: Remember that 2-measure repeats are staff styles, so they would be screwed up unless you specifically went and re-linked the staff styles to score. No, no. It was removed from the score. It reappeared, not when I reassigned vibe to the vibe part and removing the guitar part. When I did this, I finished formatting without seeing this 2 bar repeat. I browsed to the guitar part to check, went back to the vibe part. I see formatting is screwed up. Tried to figure what went wrong, then found the 2 bar repeat has reappeared. Went back to the score and it is there, which was removed. I have a proof by way of printed score that it was removed yesterday. So, the logical conclusion is this. The previously generated vibe part remembered this 2 bar repeat even though none of the Staff Style was showing when I reassigned vibe part to the vibe part (confusing!). I then relinked Staff Style from the score. Since score no longer contains this 2 bar repeat, it displayed as expected. BUT, for some reason, it still remembered it. So, when I exited the vibe part, it decided to modify the score!! The vibraphone player grooves hard. She is new to the orchestra, and I wanted to give her a featured solo section. Later, I found I want to write 8 bars of soli where I don't want her to solo so I edited the section out from her part. Well, I guess she didn't like what I did :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beer or ale? OT (very)
But apparently the measurements are different between beer and ale. I have this information from another list: The barrel of beer is to hold 36 gallons, the kilderkin 18 gallons the firkin 9. But the barrel, kilderkin, and firkin of ale are to contain 32, 16, and 8 gallons I say lets try the lot and we'll decide after that which is better! Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: dash or hyphen, bar or measure?
Andrew Stiller wrote: This is American vs. British usage. In the UK, bar can refer to either the line or the contents. In the US, bar means only the line in academic writing, and the contents are a measure. However, colloquial US English uses bar in the British sense all the time--it's just not acceptable in formal writing. This is what gets us Canadians into trouble all the time. It seems as if we have the worst of both worlds. At Indiana University they kept drubbing into me It's a MAY-SURE, not a bar! And that is how I first learned to tell when someone is from Indiana. They say may-sure instead of meh-sure. Related aside: It took me a year to even hear how we English speaking Canadians say aboot instead of about. After that I had to practice the mid-West diphthong (adults only) for a few more months before the teasing went away. The internal scars were a different matter... -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
On 14-May-07, at 1:29 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Christopher Smith / 2007/05/14 / 01:10 PM wrote: Remember that 2-measure repeats are staff styles, so they would be screwed up unless you specifically went and re-linked the staff styles to score. No, no. It was removed from the score. It reappeared, not when I reassigned vibe to the vibe part and removing the guitar part. When I did this, I finished formatting without seeing this 2 bar repeat. According to Darcy, this staff style problem shows up particularly when copying staff styles from one staff to another, so I understand the problem. Use the Reset to Score command and check the parts carefully. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .ps to .pdf errors
At 9:32 AM -0400 5/14/07, Herman Gersten wrote: Using both Adobe reader and Preview on my Mac G5 with Finale 2007c, I compiled postscript files of a 4 page score by selecting ALL in the dialog box. The pages would not convert to .pdf files, and I got an error message stating that the files were either the wrong type or they were corrupted. I tried several times with the same result. This is all a mystery to me, but I have a problem in that years of work are in Mosaic files. A very knowledgeable faculty colleague (manager, in fact, of the faculty training program) helped me get started converting those files to PDFs, but in order to make it possible he had to find me and install an older version of the complete Adobe Acrobat program that would run under Classic (OS 9.x), which is where my Mosaic is operational. It's now working perfectly, and I'm well started converting my old files, and will probably still be working on them when my 2002 Mac with Classic finally bites the dust! There may be other workarounds--in fact I'm sure there are--but having the right software seems to be key. (Going through .PS is an option, but since I can go directly to .PDF that's what I've been doing.) John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rinked Parts prob
It is driving me insane. Parts layout doesn't stay. If I brows to another parts, do formatting, come back to the one I already finished, the layout is screwed again. The way it is screwed is consistent, tho. I have all the 2 bar repeat measures set to 156 EVPUs. When I come back to the part, quite few of them are expanded, pushing the layout off. Yes, I have Automatic Music Spacing engaged, but I am not doing anything to invoke it. And why not all of them changed if it is related to Automatic Music Spacing, is a very puzzling thing. I am convinced this file is sour. In Digital Performer, when you think the file is sour, you can create a new project and load the problem file into it to clean things up. What do you do when you feel your Finale file gone sour? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .ps to .pdf errors
Thank you, John. While waiting for a possible answer, I remembered that I can save any file as a .pdf right from the print dialog box. So the Mac functions perfectly when asked, but Finale evidently, does not. Now if I could have all those hours back. . . Herman On May 14, 2007, at 3:32 PM, John Howell wrote: At 9:32 AM -0400 5/14/07, Herman Gersten wrote: Using both Adobe reader and Preview on my Mac G5 with Finale 2007c, I compiled postscript files of a 4 page score by selecting ALL in the dialog box. The pages would not convert to .pdf files, and I got an error message stating that the files were either the wrong type or they were corrupted. I tried several times with the same result. This is all a mystery to me, but I have a problem in that years of work are in Mosaic files. A very knowledgeable faculty colleague (manager, in fact, of the faculty training program) helped me get started converting those files to PDFs, but in order to make it possible he had to find me and install an older version of the complete Adobe Acrobat program that would run under Classic (OS 9.x), which is where my Mosaic is operational. It's now working perfectly, and I'm well started converting my old files, and will probably still be working on them when my 2002 Mac with Classic finally bites the dust! There may be other workarounds--in fact I'm sure there are--but having the right software seems to be key. (Going through .PS is an option, but since I can go directly to .PDF that's what I've been doing.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] dash or hyphen?
At 5/14/2007 01:12 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Yes it is. (Along with minims, crotchets and quavers and pints of ale!) Yeah, and it's TWENTY OUNCE pints over your way, not our measly little 16 oz. pints that we have here in Canada and the US. Even a bass trombonist can be happy in Britain, whether talking about measures, bars, or pubs! 8-) Ah, but a lot US companies are stepping up to the plate with 24oz cans. @99 cents, too. Take that, you British ;-) Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] dash or hyphen?
On May 14, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Yeah, and it's TWENTY OUNCE pints over your way, not our measly little 16 oz. pints that we have here in Canada and the US. How did that happen? There's a proverb, which I have always assumed was very old, that says A pint's a pound the world round. For this to be true, a pint must be 16 oz. everywhere. So what's the deal here? --Or is the 20-oz. pt. like a baker's dozen? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] dash or hyphen?
At 8:25 AM -0500 5/14/07, Randolph Peters wrote: You didn't ask this, but for what it is worth, when doing academic writing about music, some institutions insist on referring to bars as measures. (Bars are the lines, not the contents, although I think that is debatable.) In my experience, in the U.S. at least, bar and measure are synonymous and interchangeable in both academic and common usage. Perhaps the difference is a particularly British (or in your case Canadian) thing. The vertical lines are bar lines, the spaces between them are either bars or measures. Two cultures separated by the same language, and all that! Furthermore, the abbreviation for one measure is m., as in m. 22. Two or more measures get the mm. treatment (i.e. mm. 22, 23 or mm. 22-23). Picky, but quite correct. Now, if I could just get people to recognize the differences between data and datum, criteria and criterion, media and medium! I thought that if you were concerned about the right kind of dashes, you might also want to consider this other bit of fussiness. Fortunately for me, this list happily accepts anything a person wants to call it. Indeed. I used to know which was which, but there are actually 3 different horizontal connectors: the hyphen, the n-dash, and the m-dash. The m-dash--represented in typescript by two hyphens (or n-dashes??) as shown here--is used to separate interjections that might equally be indicated by parentheses or (god help us!) by footnotes, so they are really separators rather than connectors. I'm not sure my keyboard can produce all three (Mac), but the shortest one is typed as a lower-case hyphen and the m-dash as Shift-Option-hyphen. (I don't know WindowSpeak.) Raimund's 2nd example, by the way, shows on my screen not as a dash but as a raise-to-the-power carat, which I believe would be read as 22 to the 23rd power, an AWFULLY large number of measures! John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Beer or ale? OT (very)
Speaking of OT - from whence commeth the whole nine yards? Origin anyone? Cheers K in OZ? Keith Helgesen. Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shirling neueweise Sent: Tuesday, 15 May 2007 3:56 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Beer or ale? OT (very) The barrel of beer is to hold 36 gallons, the kilderkin 18 gallons the firkin 9. But the barrel, kilderkin, and firkin of ale are to contain 32, 16, and 8 gallons I say lets try the lot and we'll decide after that which is better! yes this is definitely how bars should be measured! the whole firking nine yards, baby! -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Beer or ale? OT (very)
Nine yards of material in a kilt. Perhaps true Scotsmen can give even further detail. I am a Welshman by ancestry. We wear pants. From: keith helgesen Sent: Mon 14-May-07 18:01 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] Beer or ale? OT (very) Speaking of OT - from whence commeth the whole nine yards? Origin anyone? Cheers K in OZ? Keith Helgesen. Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shirling neueweise Sent: Tuesday, 15 May 2007 3:56 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Beer or ale? OT (very) The barrel of beer is to hold 36 gallons, the kilderkin 18 gallons the firkin 9. But the barrel, kilderkin, and firkin of ale are to contain 32, 16, and 8 gallons I say lets try the lot and we'll decide after that which is better! yes this is definitely how bars should be measured! the whole firking nine yards, baby! -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: works in octaves, unison etc.
Dear listers, A quick q to the wisdom of this list. I am looking for any works or movts. of works for more than one instrument that are constructed entirely in unisons or octaves. Obviously there is the Qt. for the End of Time mvt., and less obviously I've done one myself (fun to write if you've not tried it!). Can anyone suggest others? TIA Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: works in octaves, unison etc.
At 11:49 AM 5/15/2007 +1000, Matthew Hindson fastmail acct wrote: A quick q to the wisdom of this list. I am looking for any works or movts. of works for more than one instrument that are constructed entirely in unisons or octaves. Obviously there is the Qt. for the End of Time mvt., and less obviously I've done one myself (fun to write if you've not tried it!). Can anyone suggest others? If memory serves (don't count on it!) one or more of Carter's Eight Etudes are in unisons and octaves. And the last movement of my Eventide (piccolo, Eb clarinet,contrabassoon) is in octaves. Then, of course, canons are in octaves or unisons -- just shifted in time. :) Dennis . ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
