Re: [Finale] French terminology
Hi Darcy, We'll use simply Réduction or Edition pour piano (et/avec chant) for rehearsal piano. Furthermore in Do is IMHO more italian style, opposed to Ut which should be of french usage, as others yet confirmed. But in today's scores, there's no uniformity as tromba in C, trompette en Ut, trumpet in Do (!) is found in various combinations. Hans On 09 aug 08, at 05:31, Darcy James Argue wrote: Here's another question -- what's the standard French term for rehearsal piano? And what would the staff name be? Piano de répétition? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 8 Aug 2008, at 11:19 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hello, I'm engraving a new opera for a French composer and I'm wording about a specific piece of terminology -- Trompette en Ut or Trompette en Do? I have a vague feeling Trompette en Ut is archaic, but I don't have any recent French orchestral scores to check against. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] French terminology
Darcy James Argue wrote: Hello, I'm engraving a new opera for a French composer and I'm wording about a specific piece of terminology -- Trompette en Ut or Trompette en Do? I have a vague feeling Trompette en Ut is archaic, but I don't have any recent French orchestral scores to check against. For trumpet players, Trompette en Ut is certainly not archaic -- it's used in all the Alphonse-Leduc trumpet and brass ensemble publications and is very clear to the people that matter most in that situation, the trumpet players. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Shipments from Germany to the U.S.- advice
Hi all: I'm having some very unique reproductions of a manuscript sent from Germany, but from previous experiences over the years I've had things mysteriously vanish in the regular postal channels. Not a big deal, since they were easily replaced. But in this instance I can't chance it; the materials woulnd't be reproducable again. I've priced having a box (the size of a ten ream office copy paper box) with about 20 lbs (it's 28 separate spiral notebooks with 30 pages each) priced at about 280.00 EU (that's about 325-340 USD). Would anyone have a better suggestion? Are there better ways of having this sent other than the post office, but not so pricey? Thanks in advance Kim Patrick Clow ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Shipments from Germany to the U.S.- advice
DHL? I've had multi-volume catalogues sent from Europe this way...it was safe, quick, and relatively cheaper than regular postal mail. Martin On 8/9/08, Kim Patrick Clow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: I'm having some very unique reproductions of a manuscript sent from Germany, but from previous experiences over the years I've had things mysteriously vanish in the regular postal channels. Not a big deal, since they were easily replaced. But in this instance I can't chance it; the materials woulnd't be reproducable again. I've priced having a box (the size of a ten ream office copy paper box) with about 20 lbs (it's 28 separate spiral notebooks with 30 pages each) priced at about 280.00 EU (that's about 325-340 USD). Would anyone have a better suggestion? Are there better ways of having this sent other than the post office, but not so pricey? Thanks in advance Kim Patrick Clow ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan on AMD
Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Craig, The range is realistic -- jazz tenor trombone players almost never have an F attachment. I am sure the players they sampled for the JABB trombones did not have an F attachment on their horn. Hm. About half of the ones I work with (and have worked with in the past 30 years) have. cd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Shipments from Germany to the U.S.- advice
priced at about 280.00 EU (that's about 325-340 USD) have you checked the rates lately? actually around 420 USD. http://www.xe.com deutsche post is quite reliable and quick (at least within germany). as i understand it, they have close links with DHL. if you or someone you know can read german you might try digging around in this forum (mailcheaper) for info: http://billigerverschicken.de/forum ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Shipments from Germany to the U.S.- advice
Ok Thanks for that. Boy the USD is really taking a beating now :-( The city/town the package would be mailed from is Rheinfelden. I'll see if DHL has pick up services there. On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM, shirling neueweise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: priced at about 280.00 EU (that's about 325-340 USD) have you checked the rates lately? actually around 420 USD. http://www.xe.com deutsche post is quite reliable and quick (at least within germany). as i understand it, they have close links with DHL. if you or someone you know can read german you might try digging around in this forum (mailcheaper) for info: http://billigerverschicken.de/forum ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Kim Patrick Clow Early Music enthusiasts think outside the Bachs! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] French terminology
Hi Hans, Thanks! Édition pour piano won't work because it's a rehearsal piano *staff* in a opera score. Réduction seems closer to the mark, although it's not a true piano reduction because there are parts in the orchestration that are omitted from the rehearsal piano part. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 9 Aug 2008, at 3:18 AM, Hans Swinnen wrote: Hi Darcy, We'll use simply Réduction or Edition pour piano (et/avec chant) for rehearsal piano. Furthermore in Do is IMHO more italian style, opposed to Ut which should be of french usage, as others yet confirmed. But in today's scores, there's no uniformity as tromba in C, trompette en Ut, trumpet in Do (!) is found in various combinations. Hans On 09 aug 08, at 05:31, Darcy James Argue wrote: Here's another question -- what's the standard French term for rehearsal piano? And what would the staff name be? Piano de répétition? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 8 Aug 2008, at 11:19 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hello, I'm engraving a new opera for a French composer and I'm wording about a specific piece of terminology -- Trompette en Ut or Trompette en Do? I have a vague feeling Trompette en Ut is archaic, but I don't have any recent French orchestral scores to check against. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] French terminology
In my experience a rehearsal piano of a work with orchestra has always been a simplified orchestra. One has only 10 fingers, no? Edition could serve as this will published separated for singers or tutti quanti. In your actual case I would definitely choose for Réduction. Hans === You will excuse me for any typo's due to a visual handicap. On 09 aug 08, at 18:37, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Hans, Thanks! Édition pour piano won't work because it's a rehearsal piano *staff* in a opera score. Réduction seems closer to the mark, although it's not a true piano reduction because there are parts in the orchestration that are omitted from the rehearsal piano part. - Darcy ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] French terminology
Hans, There is usually a nominal difference between a rehearsal piano part (simplified for playability) and a piano reduction (a more literal representation, which often contains unplayable passages). - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 9 Aug 2008, at 1:03 PM, Hans Swinnen wrote: In my experience a rehearsal piano of a work with orchestra has always been a simplified orchestra. One has only 10 fingers, no? Edition could serve as this will published separated for singers or tutti quanti. In your actual case I would definitely choose for Réduction. Hans === You will excuse me for any typo's due to a visual handicap. On 09 aug 08, at 18:37, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Hans, Thanks! Édition pour piano won't work because it's a rehearsal piano *staff* in a opera score. Réduction seems closer to the mark, although it's not a true piano reduction because there are parts in the orchestration that are omitted from the rehearsal piano part. - Darcy ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] rebaring after a meter change
Hi All, I have a large section of 9/8 meter music that I want to change and rebar to 6/8. When I do all dotted quarter notes change to a quarter tied to an eighth note. Dotted half notes change to a quarter tied to eighth tied to quarter tied to eighth. Is there something I can do to keep dotted quarter notes and to change dotted half notes to 2 dotted quarter notes. If not, it will be faster for me just to re-enter the entire piece then to fix all the wrong notes. Thanks to anyone who can help. Lee Dengler Minister of Music, College Mennonite Church Assistant Professor of Music, Goshen College Composer Engraver, Editor ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Shipments from Germany to the U.S.- advice
The city/town the package would be mailed from is Rheinfelden. I'll see if DHL has pick up services there. they will, often there is a DHL counter in smaller post offices... or it seems to me. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] rebaring after a meter change
The answer is strange. You need to go to MIDI Quantization settings. In the Quantization Settings dialog, click on More Settings, and then check the option Allow Dotted Rests in Compound Meters. Why do you have to change a setting about rests in a MIDI menu to affect something that has nothing to do with MIDI, nor with rests? I don't know. Michael On 9 août 08, at 19:33, Lee Dengler wrote: Hi All, I have a large section of 9/8 meter music that I want to change and rebar to 6/8. When I do all dotted quarter notes change to a quarter tied to an eighth note. Dotted half notes change to a quarter tied to eighth tied to quarter tied to eighth. Is there something I can do to keep dotted quarter notes and to change dotted half notes to 2 dotted quarter notes. If not, it will be faster for me just to re-enter the entire piece then to fix all the wrong notes. Thanks to anyone who can help. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unusual Notation: Anyone know how to do this with Finale?
From: John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:03:05 -0400 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Unusual Notation: Anyone know how to do this with Finale? Sorry, but your link turns up a MobileMe login page that is totally useless. No music at all. It appears that your new iPhone is NOT a reliable communications devise. No, that was my mistake. I accidentally copied the link off the editing page instead of the publicly accessible gallery page. (And I don't even have an iPhone so that's certainly not the issue.) Here's the correct link: http://gallery.me.com/btr1701#100016 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unusual Notation: Anyone know how to do this with Finale?
Hi Blake, In Finale, you'd input the notes at the approximate locations (just make up some rhythms that are close to visual placement you want), hide the rests, and use custom noteheads for the downwards arrows. (You might need to also adjust the stem connections for that character to make sure the stems are centered on the downwards arrows. The sffz's and hairpins you'd input as usual. I have no idea how much of that -- if any -- is possible in Finale Allegro. If you are interested in this kind of notation, you should really upgrade to the full version of Finale. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 9 Aug 2008, at 5:43 PM, Blake Richardson wrote: From: John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:03:05 -0400 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Unusual Notation: Anyone know how to do this with Finale? Sorry, but your link turns up a MobileMe login page that is totally useless. No music at all. It appears that your new iPhone is NOT a reliable communications devise. No, that was my mistake. I accidentally copied the link off the editing page instead of the publicly accessible gallery page. (And I don't even have an iPhone so that's certainly not the issue.) Here's the correct link: http://gallery.me.com/btr1701#100016 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unusual Notation: Anyone know how to do this with Finale?
On Sat, August 9, 2008 5:43 pm, Blake Richardson wrote: No, that was my mistake. I accidentally copied the link off the editing page instead of the publicly accessible gallery page. (And I don't even have an iPhone so that's certainly not the issue.) Here's the correct link: http://gallery.me.com/btr1701#100016 Don't know about anybody else, but it's too small for me to see (even the click-to-enlarge version). How about a regular webpage with a big, clear image? This group never met a notation it couldn't do... if we can see it. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unusual Notation: Anyone know how to do this with Finale?
Mac OS 10.4.10 just a suggestion maybe try saving to your desktop and opening in Preview-it opens at a good size and can be zoomed in Bob On Aug 9, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Sat, August 9, 2008 5:43 pm, Blake Richardson wrote: No, that was my mistake. I accidentally copied the link off the editing page instead of the publicly accessible gallery page. (And I don't even have an iPhone so that's certainly not the issue.) Here's the correct link: http://gallery.me.com/btr1701#100016 Don't know about anybody else, but it's too small for me to see (even the click-to-enlarge version). How about a regular webpage with a big, clear image? This group never met a notation it couldn't do... if we can see it. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unusual Notation: Anyone know how to do this with Finale?
On Sat, August 9, 2008 7:44 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's easily doable in Finale, but Blake is asking about Finale Allegro. That makes it a lot harder to answer his question. Sorry -- I missed that part. I never think of that program at all ... didn't realize it even still existed. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unusual Notation: Anyone know how to do this with Finale?
The most recent update was Allegro 2007b. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 9 Aug 2008, at 7:52 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Sat, August 9, 2008 7:44 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's easily doable in Finale, but Blake is asking about Finale Allegro. That makes it a lot harder to answer his question. Sorry -- I missed that part. I never think of that program at all ... didn't realize it even still existed. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unusual Notation: Anyone know how to do this with Finale?
You can't change noteheads in allegro. On Aug 9, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Dennis, It's easily doable in Finale, but Blake is asking about Finale Allegro. That makes it a lot harder to answer his question. Does anyone on this list actually have Finale Allegro? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 9 Aug 2008, at 5:51 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Sat, August 9, 2008 5:43 pm, Blake Richardson wrote: No, that was my mistake. I accidentally copied the link off the editing page instead of the publicly accessible gallery page. (And I don't even have an iPhone so that's certainly not the issue.) Here's the correct link: http://gallery.me.com/btr1701#100016 Don't know about anybody else, but it's too small for me to see (even the click-to-enlarge version). How about a regular webpage with a big, clear image? This group never met a notation it couldn't do... if we can see it. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principle Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] RE: French terminology
I'm not sure about the Trompette en Ut or Trompette en Do, but I would guess iether one would cause no confusion to a French speaking trumpet player. As for the rehearsal piano indication, I am pretty sure that ripitition is spelled répétition. Likewise, idition is spelled édition. I am not sure if this is showing up incorrectly due to a keyboard or font difference, but the e (é) with an accent aigu (acute accent) is what I see missing and replaced with an i. Hello, I'm engraving a new opera for a French composer and I'm wording about a specific piece of terminology -- Trompette en Ut or Trompette en Do? I have a vague feeling Trompette en Ut is archaic, but I don't have any recent French orchestral scores to check against. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY -- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:31:59 -0400 From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] French terminology To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Here's another question -- what's the standard French term for rehearsal piano? And what would the staff name be? Piano de ripitition? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: French terminology
Hi Steve, Somewhere along the line, my e accent aigu is being interpreted as an i. It's a text encoding thing, not a keyboard or font thing. I blame Outlook, since the accents (mine and other people's, including yours) look fine to me. I make my share of typos, but I definitely didn't type ripitition or idition. But apparently that's how répétition and édition come out on your end? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 9 Aug 2008, at 5:49 PM, Steve Farrell wrote: As for the rehearsal piano indication, I am pretty sure that ripitition is spelled répétition. Likewise, idition is spelled édition. I am not sure if this is showing up incorrectly due to a keyboard or font difference, but the e (é) with an accent aigu (acute accent) is what I see missing and replaced with an i. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan on AMD
The Garritan set included in Finale is not Jazz per se, is it? None of the orchestral trombone voices covers any of the trigger range, I don't believe, and 99.999% of orchestra trombonists play with F attachments most of the time. Lots of second trombone parts in orchestral scores go into that register. I agree with you that most jazz trombone SOLOISTS don't use a trigger trombone. James Morrison is a notable exception. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L14anXqrGQ Ron Wilkins is another. Jazz SECTION players often use an F attachment. It isn't uncommon at all to see a 3rd trombonist in a big band playing something like a Bach 36 with an F attachment. It seems to me the main point of including multiple trombones in the software collection is to build a section with some timbral diversity. The samples need to be able to cover the playing range that comes up in the real world. It seems really silly and pointless to cut the range artificially. Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Craig, The range is realistic -- jazz tenor trombone players almost never have an F attachment. I am sure the players they sampled for the JABB trombones did not have an F attachment on their horn. The full JABB set has a proper bass trombone in addition to the four tenor trombones. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 8 Aug 2008, at 11:04 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I have not noticed any problems so far playing the included Garritan sounds on the Aria player. I have ordered the full Garritan big band set. My first project with the included Garritan sounds was a flop. It was a trombone quartet. None of the trombone voices could play a low C, which is easily in the range of a tenor trombone player with F attachment, and an octave inside the range of a good bass trombone player. I tried to substitute with a tuba voice but for some reason that sounded really funky. So I used a contrabass clarinet to get me through until the JABB set arrives. I hope the real Garritan sounds are not so unrealistic in their instrument ranges. At least there should be a real bass trombone voice in the JABB set. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan on AMD
Hi Craig, You are right about the orchestral trombones. Perhaps some bigbands have 3rd tbn. players with triggers, but here in NYC I rarely see that. Nobody wants to play a solo on an instrument with an attachment, and solos get passed around within the section fairly frequently. None of the t.tbn. players in my group have F attachments and I avoid writing anything that requires one into the 3rd Tbn. book -- although obviously if you know you will have the right player, that is a useful possibility. Some bigbands do have two bass bone players, which is a good sound. None of the five JABB tenor trombones have samples below E2 (mid C = C4). There is one bass trombone, which goes down to Eb1. If you have range concerns about GPO or JABB, you should email [EMAIL PROTECTED]. They have made some range corrections to some instruments in software updates over the years. One of the orchestral bass trombones (the one with a far superior tone quality) used to only go up to the G below middle C! You can fudge playback of out-of-range notes using Garritan instruments using pitchwheel-modifying expressions. I used to have to do this all the time, before they finally corrected their orchestral bass clarinet range. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Aug 2008, at 12:41 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: The Garritan set included in Finale is not Jazz per se, is it? None of the orchestral trombone voices covers any of the trigger range, I don't believe, and 99.999% of orchestra trombonists play with F attachments most of the time. Lots of second trombone parts in orchestral scores go into that register. I agree with you that most jazz trombone SOLOISTS don't use a trigger trombone. James Morrison is a notable exception. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L14anXqrGQ Ron Wilkins is another. Jazz SECTION players often use an F attachment. It isn't uncommon at all to see a 3rd trombonist in a big band playing something like a Bach 36 with an F attachment. It seems to me the main point of including multiple trombones in the software collection is to build a section with some timbral diversity. The samples need to be able to cover the playing range that comes up in the real world. It seems really silly and pointless to cut the range artificially. Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Craig, The range is realistic -- jazz tenor trombone players almost never have an F attachment. I am sure the players they sampled for the JABB trombones did not have an F attachment on their horn. The full JABB set has a proper bass trombone in addition to the four tenor trombones. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 8 Aug 2008, at 11:04 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I have not noticed any problems so far playing the included Garritan sounds on the Aria player. I have ordered the full Garritan big band set. My first project with the included Garritan sounds was a flop. It was a trombone quartet. None of the trombone voices could play a low C, which is easily in the range of a tenor trombone player with F attachment, and an octave inside the range of a good bass trombone player. I tried to substitute with a tuba voice but for some reason that sounded really funky. So I used a contrabass clarinet to get me through until the JABB set arrives. I hope the real Garritan sounds are not so unrealistic in their instrument ranges. At least there should be a real bass trombone voice in the JABB set. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
