Re: [Finale] Deauthorize via Customer Support
I think it was a joke, Darcy. > Hi Brian, > MM has a database with the name and contact information of each registered > owner and their associated serial. > Cheers, DJA > On 9 Aug 2011, at 7:13 PM, Brian Williams wrote: > > > Maybe MM is just trying to make sure that unscrupulous people who have > > surreptitiously obtained serial numbers aren't trying to > > illegitimately deauthorize them. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Certain artics & smart shapes out of place
David, Excellent thought. It would have occurred to me in the Bad Old Days, but I think those days are still with us with Finale (such as Finale 2010 and 2011 taking 5-10 seconds per character in expression creation as it checks the whole font list, something it did in the Win98 days). Thanks. I'll send over the ideas to David Gunn. Dennis On Tue, August 9, 2011 6:58 pm, David W. Fenton wrote: > Interaction between printer and video drivers would be the most > likely cause, seems to me. Remember that in order for WYSYWIG to > work, the screen and the printing have to use the same algorithms to > calculate pixel positions, and the solution on Windows to this is > that those calculations are based on data from the PRINTER DRIVER, > but in interaction with the video driver. > > Since you're printing to the same printer driver (it's a PDF), I'd > check the video drivers, maybe try something generic instead of > hardware-branded. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Certain artics & smart shapes out of place
On 8 Aug 2011 at 20:27, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > Any other ideas? A corrupted file wouldn't self-fix on another nearly > identical machine (save OS version, same Finale version). Interaction between printer and video drivers would be the most likely cause, seems to me. Remember that in order for WYSYWIG to work, the screen and the printing have to use the same algorithms to calculate pixel positions, and the solution on Windows to this is that those calculations are based on data from the PRINTER DRIVER, but in interaction with the video driver. Since you're printing to the same printer driver (it's a PDF), I'd check the video drivers, maybe try something generic instead of hardware-branded. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Deauthorize via Customer Support
Hi Brian, MM has a database with the name and contact information of each registered owner and their associated serial. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 9 Aug 2011, at 7:13 PM, Brian Williams wrote: > Maybe MM is just trying to make sure that unscrupulous people who have > surreptitiously obtained serial numbers aren't trying to illegitimately > deauthorize them. > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Deauthorize via Customer Support
Hi David, Yes, of course we don't really "own" software, but it's tiresome to have to deploy the phrase "own a license to use" -- I take it as a given that everyone knows when I talk about "owning" software, I'm talking about owning a user license. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 9 Aug 2011, at 7:02 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > On 9 Aug 2011 at 12:11, Darcy James Argue wrote: > >> But it's obviously frustrating when you have defend yourself to >> customer support as legitimate user who just wants access to your own >> software. > > Darcy, you've surely read the EULAs for all commercial software -- > you don't own any of it. You've only got a license to use it. > > Now, arguably, the whole point is that this kind of thing interferes > with your rights under the EULA's license to use it appropriately, so > this is just a quibble about semantics. > > But it's an important one -- with most software, you don't OWN it at > all. > > -- > David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com > David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Deauthorize via Customer Support
Maybe MM is just trying to make sure that unscrupulous people who have surreptitiously obtained serial numbers aren't trying to illegitimately deauthorize them. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Deauthorize via Customer Support
On 9 Aug 2011 at 12:11, Darcy James Argue wrote: > But it's obviously frustrating when you have defend yourself to > customer support as legitimate user who just wants access to your own > software. Darcy, you've surely read the EULAs for all commercial software -- you don't own any of it. You've only got a license to use it. Now, arguably, the whole point is that this kind of thing interferes with your rights under the EULA's license to use it appropriately, so this is just a quibble about semantics. But it's an important one -- with most software, you don't OWN it at all. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Sib7 arrives
It'll be loaded in another hour or so. I hope Finale goes 64-bit soon. That's the main upgrade I need. Henry Howey Sent from my iPod ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] non-standard key signatures
On Tue Aug 9, at TuesdayAug 9 6:37 AM, Steve Parker wrote: > > On 9 Aug 2011, at 01:18, Christopher Smith wrote: > >> >> On Mon Aug 8, at MondayAug 8 7:51 PM, Steve Parker wrote: >> >>> >>> On 8 Aug 2011, at 23:21, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: >>> One scale inherent in the first 13 partials of brasses is the overtone scale, also known as the Lydian dominant scale. >>> >>> The 11th harmonic is actually about midway between the perfect fourth and >>> the augmented fourth. >>> George Russell's Lydian Chromatic Concept sort of claims otherwise but... >> >> It's marginally closer to the #4 than to the P4. It's not anywhere near what >> we call in tune these days, but it's enough to be interpreted by our ears as >> the #4. > > Very marginally (1 cent). I don't hear it as an augmented fourth. > It's only one cent away from a 1/4 tone in EQUAL temperament, but if you are hearing it as the next diatonic interval above a major third in the harmonic series, it's a whopping 15 cents closer to a whole tone than a half tone above the major 3rd. I definitely hear it as F# (actually, on the Bb harmonic series on a trombone in first position, it is quite a bit closer to E than Eb even in equal temperament. I can lip it quite a bit, so it is hard to measure exactly. Perhaps its actual tuning has something to do with brass instrument construction that would not show up on a tube in a lab experiment.) There was some research done in the last 20 years or so on pitch recognition, and there IS a grey area around the quarter tone where people can hear either the note above or below, depending on personal history and context of how the note is played. I'm not saying YOU don't hear it the way you do, I'm just saying there is flexibility when you get far away from the usual 12-tone system that can account for variances in identification, even between two experienced musicians. So I retract what I said about "interpreted by our ears." It's only interpreted that way by MY ears, and I think I could be swayed differently in context different from a scale. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] non-standard key signatures
On 9 Aug 2011, at 16:57, John Howell wrote: > No, it fits perfectly into the natural harmonic > series as a small whole-number multiple of the > fundamental frequency. It does NOT fit into the > artificial equal-tempered scale, nor is there any > reason to expect it to. I write in Ben Johnston's notation. Within that (and other JI systems) the 11th harmonic is the first real opening to a new world of intervals. Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Deauthorize via Customer Support
On 8/9/2011 12:11 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > But it's obviously frustrating when you have defend yourself to > customer support as legitimate user who just wants access to your own > software. Agreed. If you can sufficiently identify yourself to them, their job should be just to do as you ask with your authorizations. I had a similar experience recently -- laptop died, had to install and authorize on a new laptop. I wouldn't say I was hassled about it, but the rep did ask some questions about why I hadn't deauthorized on the old computer. I feel like it's not really their business; maybe I just don't feel like deauthorizing myself, but I should be able to call up and do it via phone. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Deauthorize via Customer Support
Hi Michael, To be fair, it did not get to the point where I felt I needed to mention that. But it's obviously frustrating when you have defend yourself to customer support as legitimate user who just wants access to your own software. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 9 Aug 2011, at 12:02 PM, Michael L Meyer wrote: > On Aug 9, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I thought that some might be interested to have a heads-up that apparently >> MakeMusic customer support have been instructed to be more... "inquisitive," >> I'll say... when you call up and ask to deauthorize all versions of Finale >> associated with your serial number. >> > > Jeez, Darcy, and you've even done work for them before! Imagine if any of us > more common-folk end up having an issue ... > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Deauthorize via Customer Support
On Aug 9, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Hi all, > > I thought that some might be interested to have a heads-up that apparently > MakeMusic customer support have been instructed to be more... "inquisitive," > I'll say... when you call up and ask to deauthorize all versions of Finale > associated with your serial number. > Jeez, Darcy, and you've even done work for them before! Imagine if any of us more common-folk end up having an issue ... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] non-standard key signatures
At 11:37 AM +0100 8/9/11, Steve Parker wrote: > > >> It's marginally closer to the #4 than to the >>P4. It's not anywhere near what we call in tune >>these days, but it's enough to be interpreted >>by our ears as the #4. > >Very marginally (1 cent). I don't hear it as an augmented fourth. No, it fits perfectly into the natural harmonic series as a small whole-number multiple of the fundamental frequency. It does NOT fit into the artificial equal-tempered scale, nor is there any reason to expect it to. (Hint: NO equal tempered interval matches the harmonic series intervals except the octave, and on a grand piano not even the octaves are pure because of inharmonicity created by the high string tension.) John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts & Cinema College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön." (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Deauthorize via Customer Support
Hi all, I thought that some might be interested to have a heads-up that apparently MakeMusic customer support have been instructed to be more... "inquisitive," I'll say... when you call up and ask to deauthorize all versions of Finale associated with your serial number. This has never been a problem in the past -- I have, on multiple occasions, called up MM and said, "Here's my serial, please deauthorize all versions of Finale going back to Finale 2004 so I can re-authorize them on my new computer." This time, though, the customer service rep gave me grief for not manually de-authorizing all my versions of Finale (or at least, the versions where manual de-authorization is possible) on the old machine before moving to the new machine. This wasn't possible in my case because my old computer died, and then my new computer required a complete restoration from a Time Machine backup, which caused my copies of Finale to become deauthorized on the new machine as well. They were also reluctant to do an authorization-by-phone for Finale 2004 and Finale 2005 (internet authorization doesn't work for those versions under OS X 10.6), since they claimed that these versions (A) aren't supported under OS X 10.6, and (B) tend to lose track of their authorization over time -- both of which are true but neither of which I care about. I just want to be able to launch Finale 2004 and 2005 when I need to. (If and when these versions get de-authorized, I will be calling them up again.) Anyway, after some wrangling, the customer support person eventually honored my request. But it appears CS have been instructed to be more strict about issuing deauthorizations by phone, and people can expect a certain amount of grilling if they are unable to deauthorize Finale themselves and require CS to do it for them. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Release?
On 8/9/2011 6:11 AM, Colin Broom wrote: > > I'm on Finale 2009 and am finally considering an upgrade, but I'm > wondering if anyone knows any further information about a Finale 2012 > release? Searching around I found a post on the forum stating "that > Finale 2012 will be released sometime this fall. This is later than > we normally release to allow for adequate development time for some > great application infrastructure changes, which will result in some > awesome new features this year". That was the beginning of July - I'm > just wondering if anyone's heard anything more since then? I don't > want to upgrade to 2011 only for 2012 to come out the following week > (happened to a colleague of mine with Sibelius 7 just the other > week). "Sometime this fall" is all that MakeMusic is saying, and they're not making that statement publicly on their website. It's buried in an annual statement for shareholders by way of explaining income levels of the corporation. If you're afraid of buying one upgrade just to miss the latest upgrade by a short while, call MakeMusic and ask them what their policy is -- if you buy 2011 now, will they give you the 2012 upgrade for free when it is released? Get the person's name and employee number if possible in case there's a hassle later on. If the answer is no, then wait for 2012. Your friend should contact Sibelius about receiving a free upgrade to Sib7 -- most companies are willing to give a free version of the latest upgrade if the previous upgrade was purchased within a short window of time prior to the official release of the latest upgrade. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] non-standard key signatures
On 9 Aug 2011, at 01:31, John Howell wrote: > Or else they played it out of tune. Or for big band screaming, play it exactly as an 11/8.. ;-) Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] non-standard key signatures
On 9 Aug 2011, at 01:18, Christopher Smith wrote: > > On Mon Aug 8, at MondayAug 8 7:51 PM, Steve Parker wrote: > >> >> On 8 Aug 2011, at 23:21, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: >> >>> One scale inherent in the first 13 partials of brasses is the overtone >>> scale, also known as the Lydian dominant scale. >> >> The 11th harmonic is actually about midway between the perfect fourth and >> the augmented fourth. >> George Russell's Lydian Chromatic Concept sort of claims otherwise but... > > It's marginally closer to the #4 than to the P4. It's not anywhere near what > we call in tune these days, but it's enough to be interpreted by our ears as > the #4. Very marginally (1 cent). I don't hear it as an augmented fourth. Steve P. > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2012 Release?
I'm on Finale 2009 and am finally considering an upgrade, but I'm wondering if anyone knows any further information about a Finale 2012 release? Searching around I found a post on the forum stating "that Finale 2012 will be released sometime this fall. This is later than we normally release to allow for adequate development time for some great application infrastructure changes, which will result in some awesome new features this year". That was the beginning of July - I'm just wondering if anyone's heard anything more since then? I don't want to upgrade to 2011 only for 2012 to come out the following week (happened to a colleague of mine with Sibelius 7 just the other week). Colin Broom http://soundcloud.com/colinbroom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
