[Finale] Finale 2014.5
First impressions of 2014.5 on a Mac (Yosemite) 1. Special Tools Window doesn’t remember my placement on another monitor, although Main Tools, Smart Shapes and Playback Windows do. 2. Extra large tool size not remembered in preferences. 3. TGTools align dynamics and hairpins with the special keys does not work. (It might have worked once, but no more!) This last one is a deal breaker for me. I’m going back to 2014 until this is fixed. At least the files still open without a problem going back to 2014. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Special tools custom stem tool & triplets
Hi Darcy, I just confirmed this. You can use the JW Change plugin to make stems invisible and it also hides the flag. Maybe it doesn’t do everything else you want, but it is quite powerful. -Randolph > From: Darcy James Argue > Subject: Re: [Finale] Special tools custom stem tool & triplets > Date: August 23, 2015 at 1:07:46 PM CDT > To: > > > Hi Chris, > > Shortening the stem does not hide the flag. > > It's not possible to create a stemless notes staff style that only affects a > particular layer. That's the first thing I checked! > > Cheers, > > - DJA > - > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
In the history of Finale updates, I can’t remember Finale putting out more than 3 per version. So, I’m guessing that the next iteration of Finale will have a new version number on it. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] TGTools for Mac 2014 now online
TGTools for Finale Mac 2014 is now online! http://www.tgtools.com/downdocs.htm -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Allow Temporary Score Adjustments
That's good enough for me. -Randolph Peters On 2012-12-13, at 7:26 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Leave it on. In addition to the trills and tremolos, it helps HP trigger > effects (like "con sord." etc.) slightly before the note is played, instead > of triggering the effect simultaneously with the note, which sometimes > results in the effect not being triggered at all. > > Cheers, > > - DJA > - > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > On Dec 13, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: > >> Can anyone remember why there is an option in the HP preferences to "Allow >> Temporary Score Adjustments"? >> >> Any advantages or disadvantages to that option? >> >> The manual just says: >> "Allow Temporary Score Items Adjustments. Check this box to allow HP to >> adjust the horizontal position of score items while processing the score for >> playback. Any adjustments made to expressions or other score items return to >> their original position after playback." >> >> I think that Human Playback temporarily writes notes into the score for >> trills and tremolos and as a result, stems flip and dynamics move just >> before playback. >> >> I also suspect that artifacts such as invisible tempo changes sometimes >> remain behind. (I can't prove it yet, but it is a hypothesis that might >> explain some strange goings on that I've encountered.) >> >> -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Allow Temporary Score Adjustments
Can anyone remember why there is an option in the HP preferences to "Allow Temporary Score Adjustments"? Any advantages or disadvantages to that option? The manual just says: "Allow Temporary Score Items Adjustments. Check this box to allow HP to adjust the horizontal position of score items while processing the score for playback. Any adjustments made to expressions or other score items return to their original position after playback." I think that Human Playback temporarily writes notes into the score for trills and tremolos and as a result, stems flip and dynamics move just before playback. I also suspect that artifacts such as invisible tempo changes sometimes remain behind. (I can't prove it yet, but it is a hypothesis that might explain some strange goings on that I've encountered.) -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Intermittency
Robert, you might be right about user-induced errors, but I don't think I'm going that crazy. I think I might be seeing issues that come up when 3 or 4 things happen in combination rather than a simple binary choice. I'll try to be more scientific about tracking these down. Asking if others see the same things was just part of the process. Happy Thanksgiving! -Randolph Peters On 2012-11-21, at 3:06 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > A couple of projects back I decided to start including the parts in the > same file with the score. That is, I decided to attempt the Holy Grail of a > single document file for score and parts. > > To accomplish this, I had to learn how to hide cues in the score, which > took some trial and error. During the process I had the very sensation you > are describing: that approaches that initially failed for me ultimately > ended up working or vice versa. > > There are enough program issues in Finale (esp. Fin12) that we easily > forget what we tried or didn't try or options we set or didn't set in > trying to address them. But once the dust settles, in my experience the > program-issues either behave completely predictably or wildly unpredictably > (as in random crashes). Honestly, the in-between kinds of behavior you are > describing are more likely user-induced. > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Randolph Peters > wrote: > >> I am curious how often other Finale users find things not working >> properly, but after some fiddling or trying to recreate the issue, the >> problem goes away. It is a if clicking a setting can reset a bit deep in >> the program that either breaks something or restores the function. >> >> Tech support (for any company) often gives you the sense that you are the >> only one experiencing the problem. I suspect that many others are having >> similar difficulties. >> >> I seem to have a plague of intermittent issues* with a score I'm >> composing. I mention the composing part because I think all the editing, >> erasing and rewriting that comes with composing puts Finale to the test >> more than just straight engraving. >> >> *Issues include wayward expressions, Smart Shapes not playing back >> properly, inability to "Change Instruments", staff list irregularities, and >> so on. MM tells me my file is not corrupt and the preferences are fine. I'm >> in Finale 2012c, Mac OS 10.8.2 and restart the computer often. The file was >> created from scratch in Finale 2012. >> >> So, any mysterious Finale issues bothering people or is it just me? >> >> -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Intermittency
I am curious how often other Finale users find things not working properly, but after some fiddling or trying to recreate the issue, the problem goes away. It is a if clicking a setting can reset a bit deep in the program that either breaks something or restores the function. Tech support (for any company) often gives you the sense that you are the only one experiencing the problem. I suspect that many others are having similar difficulties. I seem to have a plague of intermittent issues* with a score I'm composing. I mention the composing part because I think all the editing, erasing and rewriting that comes with composing puts Finale to the test more than just straight engraving. *Issues include wayward expressions, Smart Shapes not playing back properly, inability to "Change Instruments", staff list irregularities, and so on. MM tells me my file is not corrupt and the preferences are fine. I'm in Finale 2012c, Mac OS 10.8.2 and restart the computer often. The file was created from scratch in Finale 2012. So, any mysterious Finale issues bothering people or is it just me? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 8va sempre expression
The trouble with this solution is that Ped. marks only work on 1 channel and you will need separate dynamics for the 2 staves -- which is sometimes the right thing and other times a pain. You could try an invisible 8va smart shape, but that might be too unwieldy, depending on the length. -Randolph Peters On 2012-11-19, at 3:56 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > Followup: All I had to do was change the channel number of the LH to be > different than the RH (in Score Manager). This is no different than earlier > Fin versions after all. I have never understood why transposition applies > to a channel and not a staff, but at least it is consistent in all versions. > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Robert Patterson < > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: > >> 1. I tried just a 8va symbol using Maestro 24, no playback options set, >> and it produced no result in HP. >> >> 2. Just an 8va symbol is not really the best solution because it needs to >> be "8va sempre" which I also set up, using the Maestro 24 symbol for 8va. >> No effect if no playback options are set. >> >> 3. Why is this hard? It was so easy in Fin11! >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Darcy James Argue >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Robert, >>> >>> Human Playback should catch the 8va expression and apply it correctly to >>> only the RH, provided the expression is in a standard music font, and is >>> *not* defined with any playback attributes. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> - DJA >>> - >>> N.B. Please note my new email address: djar...@icloud.com >>> Kindly update your Address Book, thanks! >>> >>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Robert Patterson < >>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Score Manager world, piano part (2 staves). I would like to create an >>>> expression "8va sempre" that plays back correctly. (It will be canceled >>>> with a "loco" expression.) In pre-Fin12 this was trivial: set up >>>> transposition +12 and apply as needed. However in the score manager >>> world, >>>> applying the expression only to RH nevertheless applies playback to both >>>> staves. Is there a workaround for this ridiculous regression in >>>> functionality? >>>> ___ >>>> Finale mailing list >>>> Finale@shsu.edu >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> - DJA >>> - >>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >> >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Adding a bar in the middle screws up linked parts
I have to add that my own experience is in agreement with Robert's assesment. He is not being cynical, but is realistically describing how much of MM's software support works. When I submitted my last few bug reports, I got a reply at the end of the day asking if I had tried trashing the Finale Preferences File. I always do try this and I always mention it in my report. By ignoring what I wrote or not reading carefully, the MM support staff buys another day with not having to really answer anything. (Who knows what kind of soul-crushing econometric regime they have to live under?) After a few days I usually get a response that basically says they will pass it on and that they don't know what is going on. There be dragons in Finale 2012 and they aren't being slain. -Randolph Peters On 2012-11-05, at 5:47 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > About the preferences file, to be more precise, claiming the preferences > file is corrupt is pretty common for tech support in Fin12. But my > professional software developer's nose smells a rat on that little game, > especially with a problem like this. Most such claims merely provide an > excuse not delve deeper and find the real problem, meanwhile putting those > of us who tweak the preferences at a severe cost of additional labor. > > And indeed, trashing the prefs file makes (essentially) no difference with > this problem. > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > >> I forgot to mention that this IS odd. I don't think I've seen something >> like this without it being associated to the program option. It's hard to >> tell what's going on without seeing the file. One other cause could be a >> corrupt preference file which is pretty common in FIN12. >> >> Steve >> >> On 11/5/12 3:06 PM, "Robert Patterson" >> wrote: >> >>> Changing the Program Options makes no difference. FWIW in this file the >>> Display and Actual numbers are the same. I can reliably reproduce the >>> problem with this file, btw, even after I updated to Fin12c. > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Category Designer Bug
I haven't heard anything from MM yet, but I am having some success in getting rid of errant tempo and fermata expressions by redoing the score lists, re-entering new expressions, re-hiding unused staves, and sometimes using the "assign to staves…" option in the lower right corner instead of building score lists and new categories in the Category Designer. It is trial and error and frustrations all the way, but it eventually works. Definitely some flakiness here. -Randolph Peters On 2012-10-22, at 10:20 AM, Randolph Peters wrote: > There is definitely a bug here, but I can't recreate it from scratch in a > consistent way. I'll take it up with MakeMusic and report any progress. (Hah!) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Category Designer Bug
There is definitely a bug here, but I can't recreate it from scratch in a consistent way. I'll take it up with MakeMusic and report any progress. (Hah!) Thanks, Robert for the reminder that I can at least "hide" the offending expressions. I'll save that for when I run out of other options. By the way, I did try again with a brand new preferences file, but no luck there. The issue seems to involve hiding unused staves, staff lists, and possibly the use of spacer staves that only show large time signatures and tempo marks. The weirdest thing is that when I click the "top staff" box for the score list in score view, the tempo mark shows up on an internal staff where it shouldn't be. This is bad, but when I unclick the box, the tempo mark does not go away even after a redraw (VERY BAD). I can only get rid of tempo mark by using the undo command. In other words, toggling an option changes your file perhaps forever, unless you catch the mistake when you can use the undo command. The file was created in Finale 2012b and is now being modified in 2012c. I'm on Mac OS 10.8.2 -Randolph Peters On 2012-10-21, at 4:28 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > I have not encountered this (yet), but I seem to remember that staff lists > are by design not strictly honored. That is, Finale tries to be intelligent > about figuring out whether you want the expression to appear on the top > staff of a group and puts it there regardless of which staff is optimized > out at the top of the group. > > This is a great feature...until it isn't, when it truly sucks. My general > attitude towards "intelligent" software features is, heaven save me from > them. But that doesn't seem to be the consensus. > > If this is Randolph is encountering, I would remind him that it is possible > to hide assignments on individual staves, even with a staff list. > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Randolph Peters > wrote: > >> In the score I want tempos to only appear above certain staves. I can edit >> these in the Category Designer: score list with no problem. >> >> The bug is that the tempos show up on some staves that haven't been >> selected in the Designer. And it only happens in Page view, not in Scroll >> view. >> >> I was wondering if anyone else has seen this and if the work-around >> involves redoing all the score lists. >> >> -Randolph Peters >> >> >> On 2012-10-21, at 3:22 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote: >> >>> If I understand correctly what you mean, have you tried moving the >>> expression to the "misc" category where you can specify where the >>> expressions appear? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Lawrence >>> >>> On 21 October 2012 21:18, Randolph Peters >> wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone know how to make the Category Designer behave? >>>> >>>> It doesn't want to respect my list of staves that expressions such as >>>> tempos should appear on. > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Category Designer Bug
In the score I want tempos to only appear above certain staves. I can edit these in the Category Designer: score list with no problem. The bug is that the tempos show up on some staves that haven't been selected in the Designer. And it only happens in Page view, not in Scroll view. I was wondering if anyone else has seen this and if the work-around involves redoing all the score lists. -Randolph Peters On 2012-10-21, at 3:22 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote: > If I understand correctly what you mean, have you tried moving the > expression to the "misc" category where you can specify where the > expressions appear? > > Cheers, > > Lawrence > > On 21 October 2012 21:18, Randolph Peters wrote: > >> Does anyone know how to make the Category Designer behave? >> >> It doesn't want to respect my list of staves that expressions such as >> tempos should appear on. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Category Designer Bug
Does anyone know how to make the Category Designer behave? It doesn't want to respect my list of staves that expressions such as tempos should appear on. There was a bug with this in Finale 2009 (I still have the correspondence with MakeMusic) and it seems to have appeared again with Finale 2012. I don't have duplicate and conflicting categories or staff styles, but I still get expressions on staves in score view that I have clearly chosen NOT to be there. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Changing size of one type of note heads globally in Fi09-FI12
There might be a plug-in that does this, but nothing immediately comes to mind. I get around this problem by using the Fughetta font for all note heads. It has a number of choices for each type of note head and they are generally larger than what you get from Maestro and Engraver. (Which is why I use it.) But before you jump into that solution, beware that there are many other headaches that come from not using Maestro. You have to commit to using Fughetta and make sure the FAN file is up to date and in the right folder, stem connections need adjusting, string harmonics playback won't work as advertised and portability of files can be an issue. [You will be tempted to just "Fughetta bout it!"] If you do switch to something like Fughetta for your note head font, then TGTools has a plug-in that can globally change all your diamond note heads to another, larger substitute. -Randolph Peters On 2012-10-20, at 10:24 AM, Jani Kyllönen wrote: > Hi, > just one friend of mine asked is it possible to change globally (e.g. using > plug-in) size of only one type (this case diamond-head for harmonics) of > note heads. Problem is, he is written music that has lots of string > harmonics, but he feels that diamond note head in Maestro and Engraver are > too small for his taste. He would like them to be a little bigger so that > they would be easier to read. He is using Finale 2009 in Mac. > > I found out that this does not seem to be possible. Only way would > be changing every notehead one by one (there are thousands in this piece). > I suggested using Staff Style so that there would be larger font size for > all note heads, but in case of artificial harmonics, this would also change > normal type note head too. > > So, is there some where available plug-in for this? I think this could be > really useful. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mountain Lion and Quickeys?
I'm using QuicKeys in Mountain Lion right now. It doesn't always respond quickly, but it does work. (More or less.) -Randolph Peters On 2012-09-30, at 10:21 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > As far as I know, QuicKeys does not work at all. If I'm wrong, I'd like to > know about it. > > Chuck > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: > >> Hello, everyone, >> >> I'm finally considering moving up to Mac OS 10.8, Mountain Lion. But as I >> peruse RoaringApps for application compatibility I'm very hesitant to take >> the plunge. Filemaker 11, SplashID Safe, iWeb, Band-in-a-Box, and Bamboo >> (Wacom) all note problems, and Appigo's ToDo and JABMenu are questionable. >> And now I've read that Quickeys is not entirely compatible. >> >> I don't mean to start a platform discussion. For now I'd like to know if >> anyone using Quickeys with Mountain Lion is having any problems. I'm >> assuming that Finale 2012c is working just fine with the new OS. >> >> (Argh! I finally found my Quicken replacement, and now this). >> >> Thanks! >> >> Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin Mac 2012 Text blocks
This is a long shot, but I found that text blocks don't always work if my double-click is too fast. (I've programmed my right-click to be a double click and this works on everything except text blocks.) When I double click a slower way, then I can get access to the text block. -Randolph Peters On 2012-09-23, at 9:20 AM, Linda Worsley wrote: > Neal, the "redraw screen" is not do anything either. I have restarted > Finale, restarted the computer, Everything. > > Maybe using the expressions tool IS the best way for this, since text block > seems to be disabled. Trouble is, it's only disabled part of the time. > Using the measure attached text blocks is WAY easier, since it's just point > and type right where you want them, and no fussing around with open the > tool, type the text, two separate clicks to say OK, and then select, and > then move it around. And typing the text into those tiny little boxes > makes it difficult for me since my vision is not that great these days. > It's NOt the way I want to do it, and the old method is theoretically > available to use (the text tool is there, the pull down says I can attach > to measure, and none of it works.) > > Also I really don't think the screen is redrawing.None of the commands > for "redraw screen" (including doing it from the tool bar) do anything at > all. In the past, when the "redraw screen" happened, you could actually > see the screen redraw. > > I'm using latest mac Air and Mountain Lion OS (10.8.1). Recently upgraded > from my macPro (10.4) and Finale 2010. New Finale seems fine in spite of > renaming and repositioning some of the tools and procedures. I can deal > with changes, But this problem never occurred with my old setup and > software. Grr. > > > How do I complain to Make Music? > > And thanks for your suggestions. I'm glad it works for you, but it's > hangin' me up! > > Thanks for your efforts to help. Much appreciated. > > Linda > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] rebar independent time signature
Chuck Israels wrote: [snip] > This adds up to 8 measures of 4/4 for the drummer, and I want the drummer to > see only that - not to be distracted by what the other players are doing. I'm not sure how to solve this, but I couldn't help but be impressed that you know drummers who listen to the other players. Sorry. It was just lying there. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score Manager Bug and Fix!
Rearranging the Sound Map Priority doesn't change the loading of Audio Unit sounds while in MIDI mode. The only way I've found to stop that from happening is to switch to "Play Through Audio Units" and then set the Aria Player to none. You lose some convenience if you ever wanted to use Audio Units, while on the road with a laptop, say, but it won't eat up memory or slow you down from making edits. -Randolph Peters On 2012-09-12, at 2:54 PM, "Fiskum, Steve" wrote: > Hello Randolph, > > I think this may have to do with "Sound Map Priority" (under the Midi > menu) which bit me last week. The priority map defaults to Garritan. If > I'm understanding your question correctly I believe the fix is to move > Softsynth to the top of the list. I do not install Garritan on my machine > and 2012 was crashing my machine every time I added a staff in Score > Manager but it would not crash if I added a staff by double clicking in > scroll view with my Staff tool. With both processes to add a staff I would > see it try to churn through Garritan's instruments. When I switched the > "priority" this issue stopped. > > Hope that helps, > Steve Fiskum > >> >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Randolph Peters >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Bonus question: >>> Why does Finale load up Audio Unit sounds when you are still in MIDI >>> mode? >>> Shouldn't it only do this when you switch to "Play Through Audio >>> Units"? At >>> least, that was the old behaviour. >>> >>> -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score Manager Bug and Fix!
Hi Chris, Thanks. I'll send the details directly to you, since this might not interest the whole list. -Randolph Peters On 2012-09-12, at 4:44 PM, "Young, Chris" wrote: > Hi Randolph, > > I gave this a try, but wasn't able to recreate it. Can you give an example of > one of the instruments that you've seen this on? I'd be happy to take a look > and, if I can recreate it, pass the issue along to our developers. > > Thanks, > > Christopher Y > Notation Product Specialist > MakeMusic, Inc. > > > > I came across a frustrating bug in the Score Manager. [Mac 10.8.1, Finale > 2012b] > > (Not the reappearing measure numbers annoyance, which is a topic for another > day.) > > BUG: > In "Play Finale in MIDI" mode, when you try to assign a device for some > instruments, other instruments will also change to that device. It doesn't > happen with every instrument, just some. Change the device for the other > instrument and the first one will change to it as well. > > I immediately thought that the culprit was a corrupted preferences file, but > I got the same results even with a brand new preferences file. > > FIX: > Open the triangle for the instrument and change each layer, chord and > expression to the desired device. After completing all of layers, chords and > expressions, then the instrument will change to the device without causing > another instrument to switch to it as well. > > May this save you hours of befuddlement someday. > > > Bonus question: > Why does Finale load up Audio Unit sounds when you are still in MIDI mode? > Shouldn't it only do this when you switch to "Play Through Audio Units"? At > least, that was the old behaviour. > > -Randolph Peters > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score Manager Bug and Fix!
Thanks, Steve. I'll give this a try and report back. -Randolph Peters On 2012-09-12, at 2:54 PM, "Fiskum, Steve" wrote: > Hello Randolph, > > I think this may have to do with "Sound Map Priority" (under the Midi > menu) which bit me last week. The priority map defaults to Garritan. If > I'm understanding your question correctly I believe the fix is to move > Softsynth to the top of the list. I do not install Garritan on my machine > and 2012 was crashing my machine every time I added a staff in Score > Manager but it would not crash if I added a staff by double clicking in > scroll view with my Staff tool. With both processes to add a staff I would > see it try to churn through Garritan's instruments. When I switched the > "priority" this issue stopped. > > Hope that helps, > Steve Fiskum > >> >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Randolph Peters >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Bonus question: >>> Why does Finale load up Audio Unit sounds when you are still in MIDI >>> mode? >>> Shouldn't it only do this when you switch to "Play Through Audio >>> Units"? At >>> least, that was the old behaviour. >>> >>> -Randolph Peters > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Score Manager Bug and Fix!
I came across a frustrating bug in the Score Manager. [Mac 10.8.1, Finale 2012b] (Not the reappearing measure numbers annoyance, which is a topic for another day.) BUG: In "Play Finale in MIDI" mode, when you try to assign a device for some instruments, other instruments will also change to that device. It doesn't happen with every instrument, just some. Change the device for the other instrument and the first one will change to it as well. I immediately thought that the culprit was a corrupted preferences file, but I got the same results even with a brand new preferences file. FIX: Open the triangle for the instrument and change each layer, chord and expression to the desired device. After completing all of layers, chords and expressions, then the instrument will change to the device without causing another instrument to switch to it as well. May this save you hours of befuddlement someday. Bonus question: Why does Finale load up Audio Unit sounds when you are still in MIDI mode? Shouldn't it only do this when you switch to "Play Through Audio Units"? At least, that was the old behaviour. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is this a bad interface idea?
Thanks for the JW Validate beta plugin tip, Jari! I just tried it and caught 4 important errors in my so-called pristine template file. Nice. -Randolph Peters On 2012-09-10, at 1:48 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > On 2012-09-10 20:23, Robert Patterson wrote: > >> I look forward to seeing the plugin, btw. > > FWIW, it's in the Beta Versions section on the tips site. The first beta > was released earlier today, but at this state it'll just mark it as an > error when a staff has not be assigned to an instrument. Later builds > will have more useful idiomatic support, such as reporting pizz attached > to a non-pizz instrument, or pizz without a following arco. > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is this a bad interface idea?
This is why I still subscribe to the list. I knew that the Score Manager was modeless and was happy for that. My problem with making a huge score was that I made the Score Manager window very large and it never occurred to me to double-click behind the window onto the score itself. Time to move the Score Manager onto a second monitor! 2 Things: 1) D'oh! 2) Thank you! -Randolph Peters On 2012-09-10, at 11:37 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > I'm not a big fan of Score Manager, but I would remind you that it is a > modeless dialog. You can open the staff attributes any time you get ready > just by double-clicking the staff. > > The basic problem I see is that MM is trying to introduce a UI concept, > "Instrument", that (at least as of now) does not exist in the data. Thus, > any choice of what to put in which dialog is purely arbitrary. > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Randolph Peters > wrote: > >> Dear Finale Listers, >> >> I just spent a few days creating a new master full orchestra template in >> Finale 2012b. It takes longer now. >> >> Some of the functions that used to belong in the staff attributes are now >> in the Score Manager. I find that having to open up separate windows to >> complete each staff and fill out all the properties (names, abbreviations, >> positions, fonts, MIDI settings, etc.) is very cumbersome. >> >> My question for the list is would it be a bad idea to be able to access >> the same window or dialog box from different places in the program? Or >> would that be too confusing? >> >> In other words, why can't we fill out those properties that I mentioned >> above from BOTH the staff attributes and the Score Manager? >> >> And while we are at it, how about a previous and next arrow so that we can >> fill out the categories in one pass? Even iTunes has a better interface >> here. >> >> When MM changes Finale, as they need to from time to time, they absolutely >> have to be mindful of: >> >> 1) not creating new bugs, >> 2) not taking away functionality, >> 3) not slowing down the work process. >> >> This is a complaint of the third kind. >> >> Grumble, >> Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is this a bad interface idea?
For a variety of reasons, I wanted to start from scratch. Your points are all good ones, however. My problem was not leaving the Score Manager open on another monitor. That would have been more efficient than closing it all the time. -Randolph Peters On 2012-09-10, at 11:42 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: > >> complete each staff and fill out all the properties (names, >> abbreviations, positions, fonts, MIDI settings, etc.) > > these should be largely set up in your default doc and you would only > need to change a few exceptional instances > >> My question for the list is would it be a bad idea to be able to >> access the same window or dialog box from different places in the >> program? Or would that be too confusing? > > opt-doubleclick (mac) staff name handle in SC, you are directly in > the editing box for the instrument name (from page 1, the full names, > any other page the abbreviations) > > select staff name handle in the score, hit return, you are in the > staff attributes dialogue > >> And while we are at it, how about a previous and next arrow so that >> we can fill out the categories in one pass? Even iTunes has a better >> interface here. > > i would porefer a key command to go to the next instruments rather > than having to do so much mouse / menu work... > >> When MM changes Finale, as they need to from time to time, they >> absolutely have to be mindful of: > > absolutely! but i think it is in this case still possible to do what > you want, no? > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Is this a bad interface idea?
Dear Finale Listers, I just spent a few days creating a new master full orchestra template in Finale 2012b. It takes longer now. Some of the functions that used to belong in the staff attributes are now in the Score Manager. I find that having to open up separate windows to complete each staff and fill out all the properties (names, abbreviations, positions, fonts, MIDI settings, etc.) is very cumbersome. My question for the list is would it be a bad idea to be able to access the same window or dialog box from different places in the program? Or would that be too confusing? In other words, why can't we fill out those properties that I mentioned above from BOTH the staff attributes and the Score Manager? And while we are at it, how about a previous and next arrow so that we can fill out the categories in one pass? Even iTunes has a better interface here. When MM changes Finale, as they need to from time to time, they absolutely have to be mindful of: 1) not creating new bugs, 2) not taking away functionality, 3) not slowing down the work process. This is a complaint of the third kind. Grumble, Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Change Instrument for 1 bar
Thanks Christopher and Robert, I always feel better when I know it is a feature. ;) It does break the conventions and standards of how the program operates and it takes away functionality from previous versions, so I will lobby MM for a change. -Randolph Peters On 2012-09-03, at 2:34 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: > Yes, that is how it works. If you only want an instrument change for one > measure, just select the measure AFTER the instrument change and set it back > to the first instrument. No worries. > > In your case, set the FIRST instrument to something you know before starting, > so you can change it back again afterwards. Or just rename it so you can find > it in the list. > > I wish I could have instrument changes/transposing staff styles that work on > partial measures. > > Christopher > > > On Mon Sep 3, at MondaySep 3 3:29 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >> It's a feature not a bug! That is, they mean for it work that way, but by >> all means write it up: >> >> Workarounds: >> >> 1 Change the staff lines with a staff style (which is what I did). >> >> 2 It may be possible to select the rest of the staff after the single bar >> and change it to the other instrument. I can't remember if I tried it. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Randolph Peters >> wrote: >> >>> I don't know if Robert Patterson got an answer to his question from last >>> April, but I've only now realized there is a bug in the change instrument >>> command. (Finale 2012b) >>> >>> If you choose 1 measure, the changes apply to the rest of the staff. If >>> you select 2 measures or more, the changes work on the selected passage. >>> >>> Can anyone else confirm this before I send in my report to MM? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -Randolph Peters >>> >>> On 2012-04-01, at 9:29 AM, Robert Patterson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Is there any way to edit the instrument-change map directly? I need to >>>> change the instrument for 1 bar on a bass drum part so that I can add a >>>> cue, but when I only select one bar it changes the part from there >>> forward >>>> rather than just for the selected bar. Normally, I could change back in >>> the >>>> next bar, but this is a file imported from an earlier version, so the >>> base >>>> instrument is "Unknown" which makes it impossible to select in the Change >>>> Instrument dialog. > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Change Instrument for 1 bar
I don't know if Robert Patterson got an answer to his question from last April, but I've only now realized there is a bug in the change instrument command. (Finale 2012b) If you choose 1 measure, the changes apply to the rest of the staff. If you select 2 measures or more, the changes work on the selected passage. Can anyone else confirm this before I send in my report to MM? Thanks. -Randolph Peters On 2012-04-01, at 9:29 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > Is there any way to edit the instrument-change map directly? I need to > change the instrument for 1 bar on a bass drum part so that I can add a > cue, but when I only select one bar it changes the part from there forward > rather than just for the selected bar. Normally, I could change back in the > next bar, but this is a file imported from an earlier version, so the base > instrument is "Unknown" which makes it impossible to select in the Change > Instrument dialog. > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Change score order for 1 system
I was able to change the score order of a single system by inputting negative numbers in TGTools Staff Manager. 3 drawbacks: 1) There is a lot of trial and error to get the numbers right. 2) As soon as you move the staff manually, it snaps to the zero position. 3) Staff Manager has acted suspiciously for the last few versions of Finale. My problems ranged from corruption to extreme bloat and slowness. (Again, I'm talking about the Staff Manager, not middle age!) -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Sampling Rate
Why does Finale only allow 44.1 kHz as the sampling rate for Audio Plug-ins? Even the Garritan Aria player changes to 48 kHz (or whatever your settings) when you use it outside of Finale. Why the limitation, after all these years? And why is this info so hard to find in the manual? Gr…… -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ends of hairpins differ
Make hairpins with circles in custom smart shapes? Good luck with getting the parts and score to match each other. -Randolph On 2012-06-28, at 5:04 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > Hi all, > > FinWin2011. > > I've not had a situation where I had to attach hairpin ends before. The > composer wants the hairpin ends to connect precisely to small circles. > > They can look fine on screen, but not on the PDF. If I fool around on the > screen I can get them to work on the PDF -- but they don't print correctly. > > Any advice on this? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] MIDI to Audio tip
Hi Finale Listers, This is an old capability, but I just learned about it now. An easy way to convert MIDI files to audio is to drag the MIDI file to iTunes and then convert to audio using the audio format of your choice. There's no editing, but sometimes you just want something quick. (I know you can also do this within Finale as well.) -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs (ot)
Hi Timothy, You do know that this list goes beyond US borders, right? Just saying. -Randolph Peters On 2012-03-28, at 8:03 AM, timothy.price wrote: > [snip] > Our Flag > Created in 1789 > After the Constitutional Convention of 1787 had produced the Constitution for > ratification by the thirteen colonies, > two years went by without enough state ratifying it to make it law. They had > to add the first 10 amendments and also > adopt a code of conduct which would be a voluntary oath for all citizens to > uphold. > It was their belief that for a nation to be free, it had to have trust, and > to have trust, people had to uphold honor. > Without honor there is no freedom. To the degree that there is honor, there > is untrammeled freedom. Honorable > behavior created the atmosphere in which freedom can thrive. > If any individual acts dishonorably, they are traitors to the dream of > a free society and should not be tolerated. > > Colors: > White: The background banner representing purity and innocence, lack of > guile. > Red: The stripes applied to the white banner: Cheer, Hardiness and > Valor (worthiness) > Blue: Honor, Vigilance, Perseverance, & Justice > 13 Stripes: 13 colonies > (7 red, 6 white) >A blue field with one white star for each state. > As in the Declaration of Independence: "We pledge our lives, our > fortunes, and our sacred honor". > > Old Glory (lyrics) > by > Timothy K. Price > > Let me tell you a story, > About our flag, old glory, > The stars and stripes of red, white, and blue; > And of its creation, > ThIs symbol for our nation, > And what it mean to folks like me and you. > > They took the purity of white, > The brightly shining light > All the colors in the spirit of our souls > For our banner of trust, > Our pledge of good intention, > For all who live beneath her to uphold. > > They emblazoned her with red, > Stripes which clearly said > With a boisterous, cheering humor, “Have no fear. > We are hardy souls of valor, > Worthy our intent, > To do good is the reason we are here". > > We are many joined as one, > Honest folk, and fair, > For honor is the air that we breathe; > So to represent our nation, > Took a patch of blue sky > And placed in it a starry constellation. > > With a star for every state > Each joining in its fate, > A union which no one will leave, > Finding happiness in freedom, > This flag is our dream > That none who live among us shall deceive. > > Our flag is made from scraps, > For frugal is our way. > Simple living lets others simply live. > We will shame you for your riches, > Scorn your vanity, > If greed should get the better of your soul. > > There’s salvation in compassion, > Poverty in greed, > So what we have we share with loving care. > We understand hard work, > Have no tolerance for cheats, > Politician in their office should beware. > > When we pledge our allegiance, > We pledge a way of life, > To be true to the meaning of our flag. > We pledge a life of honor, > To be truthful and fair, > This is our way... here in the USA. > > So this is my story, > About our flag, old glory, > The stars and strips of red, white, and blue. > And of its creation, > ThIs symbol of our nation, > and what it mean to folks like me and you > > _ > > Would like to see this taught in schools to return content to the Pledge of > Allegiance. > > > timothy.price > timothy.pr...@valley.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
Just hold the option key down while you drag (Mac). I think this started in Fin11. -Randolph Peters On 2012-03-22, at 10:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > Having spent most of the year till now in plugin land, I have not really > had a chance to do much with Fin12 until now. (My last version was Fin08.) > One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves vertically in > page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like the > change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without dragging any > others. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Handbell Gyro symbol
Raymond Horton wrote: > I guess some saw the jpeg, some didn't, such is the nature of a list like > this one. It was a nice line drawing of a gyro sandwich. Hmm, gyro... -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Handbell Gyro symbol
Dear Raymond, I enjoyed your "Inline image 1" very much. Sincerely, Randolph Peters On 2012-03-07, at 10:02 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: > I've got this: > > > [image: Inline image 1] > > > Don't thank me, I'm always glad to help! > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Lee Dengler wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Does anyone have the handbell gyro symbol that they could send me? I am >> using Finale 2010 Windows. >> >> Thanks to anyone who can help. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Too Many Notes - Error 177
On 2012-01-25, at 9:37 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Anyone else having crashing problems with Mac Finale 2012 when (deliberately) > entering measures with too many notes (like real whole rests in a 3/4 > measure)? Finale warns of too many notes, I click "ignore" as usual, but then > I get Finale Error 177, usually followed by a crash shortly thereafter. Am I > alone in seeing this? I can't help with the technical problem, but I do think that instead of "Finale Error 177", it should be called the "Amadeus Error" after the movie: Emperor Joseph II: My dear young man, don't take it too hard. Your work is ingenious. It's quality work. And there are simply too many notes, that's all. Just cut a few and it will be perfect. Mozart: Which few did you have in mind, Majesty? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals
On the use of courtesy accidentals: I seem to get more questions from performers if I "really meant to write those notes" when I use courtesy accidentals than when I don't use anything. I just want to clarify things and not waste rehearsal time, but it often seems to backfire. I haven't decided if I should turn this into personal rule yet. It might just be that the notes in question sound wrong. (i.e., it's not the music, it's ME!). -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Click Assignment
Thanks! This is useful. -Randolph Peters On 2011-12-02, at 11:16 AM, christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: > For hyphenation, I use this website: > > http://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fwd: [MLA-L] David Fenton
I'm sorry to hear about David's passing. It IS our David, by the way. Just look at his own signature from letters to this list: David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ The first link shows his picture with his viol consort. Eric, research is a good thing in cases such as this. -Randolph Peters On Nov 9, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > this is NOT the same guy people. > > This list's Dave fenton lives in the San Francisco bay area > > Totally false people. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fwd: [MLA-L] David Fenton
On 2011-11-09, at 11:43 AM, Wade KOTTER wrote: > If I'm incorrect, I sincerely apologize to David and everyone else on > the list. But perhaps we should wait for the real David to post a > correction to the list regarding the alleged false report of his > passing. If you are correct, wouldn't we be waiting a long time? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2011c/Mac Password dialog box anomaly during install
On 2011-09-18, at 3:46 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > It would help to know what system you are on. > > Though that usually never happens. > > -- > Eric Dannewitz > Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius > http://www.ericdannewitz.com/ > > > On Sunday, September 18, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Dana Friedman wrote: > >> Hi Folks: >> >> I installed 2011c / Mac this morning. The Mac asked for username and >> password to perform the installation, but the username/password >> dialog box had no text in it, didn't automatically fill in the >> username, and didn't allow the user to type. Even the "OK" and >> "Cancel" buttons had no text on them. >> >> I was only able to get the install to work by restarting with Extensions off. >> >> Has anyone else had this issue? There doesn't appear to be anything >> about it on the MakeMusic website. Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks, >> Dana >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu (mailto:Finale@shsu.edu) >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] NYT Article-Scoring Outside The Lines
For the Finale list, I'm one of those who thinks that music scores are primarily a set of instructions for the performers, but this article makes a good case for scores as art: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/03/scoring-outside-the-lines/?emc=eta1 -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Very very very OT: Dexter
According to: http://www.tv.com/dexter/that-night-a-forest-grew/episode/1142656/summary.html the music is Miles Davis' "So What" -Randolph Peters On 2011-04-13, at 9:12 AM, Barbara Touburg wrote: > Dear wisdom, > > In the TV series Dexter there's an episode, season two, number seven, 'That > night, a forest grew', wherein at about 12:23 special agent Lundy plays a > jazz song. I know I know its title, but it stays in the back of my head and > it won't come out! (Age...) > Does anyone know the title? > > Many thanks in advance, > Barbara (almost 52) > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] [OT] keyboard and mouse dying / suggestions for new devices?
> David W. Fenton wrote: >> If you're using a conventional mouse properly timothy.price replied: > > Who on this list would think of using a conventional mouse improperly :-) Perhaps the preacher who caught the mouse by the organ... -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
On 2011-03-03, at 1:32 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > As to the cloud eliminating the need for "large storage devices", I would > guess that most people will have all the space they need on a few flash > drives, especially since there are flash drives up to a capacity of 64 GB, > not exactly what I'd term "small". 64GB ought to be enough for anybody. (Joke.) -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] {Spam} Re: font annotation shift all characters
Finale 2011 (Mac) also changed my Fughetta FAN file during the install process.
I had to find an archived version of the FAN file because my previous edits on
the file had been replaced.
The solution that worked for me was to change the FAN file in 2 locations:
1) Macintosh HD/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 2011/Font
Annotation/{the FAN file in question}
AND in your user account:
2) Macintosh HD/Users/{username}/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale
2011/Font Annotation/{the FAN file in question}
It seems that if the user account file is missing (or sometimes older) than the
version in the system account, Finale will use the system account file and
place a copy in the user account. (If I have this wrong, someone please correct
my impression.)
I don't know if this counts as a bug, but it is a complication of the new way
Finale handles its associated files.
-Randolph Peters
On 2010-12-15, at 12:06 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
> I am watching this thread with interest, since something similar has happened
> to me with some of Bill Duncan's fonts the last two times I upgraded Finale
> versions (2010 and 2011). I found no other solution than to manually repair
> the annotation files for the particular symbols (interestingly, it did not
> happen with all the symbols in any of the affected font sets - Chord Sym,
> Articulations and Salzedo). The repair process was exacerbated by the fact
> that the red boundary lines were so far out of the adjustment box's
> boundaries that I could not see or reach them to adjust them with the mouse,
> so I had to guess numerical values, close and re-open the adjustment dialog
> window in order to see the result of my estimates and continue that
> inefficient process until I narrowed the errors. The location of FAN files
> changed at least once, and moving older (correct) FAN files into the new
> location solved part of the problem back in the 2010 conversion. Not that
> this makes any sense to me - since the relocation of the FAN files (and other
> "Application Support") made the big move in 2011. But, as some of you who
> follow my posts will recognize, my memory for these mechanical details is
> unreliable. I tend to muck around until I find something that fixes a
> problem and then forget how I accomplished it. Anyway, there seems to be a
> mystery here that I thought might have been a quirk of my system, but now
> that jef has experienced something similar, I think the collective list-brain
> may find a solution.
>
> On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>
>> I had this happen with Engraver Font a while back. I was not able to find a
>> solution other than manually re-doing all the Font Annotation files. I would
>> try a confirmed good FAN file for Engraver from another computer, but when I
>> loaded it on my machine, all of the boxes were the wrong height, in all
>> versions of Finale on my computer. Very weird.
>>
>> On 15 Dec 2010, at 5:49 PM, SN jef chippewa wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> even stranger, the last time i worked on this score i actually zipped
>>> copies for all FANs needed for it and printed the final score PDF the next
>>> day. but now both my current and the backed up FANs show this shift (well,
>>> they should in fact be identical, i haven't adjusted the FAN for this font
>>> in ages)... it makes no sense... is it possible that suddenly the programme
>>> is reading them differently?!?!
>>>
>>> the PDF looks fine but now in finale there are above-note slur/notehead
>>> collisions and position errors of articulations.
>>>
>>>> it looks like my font annotation file has somehow been altered globally.
>>>> the top values are adjusted so that the upper line of the bounding (red)
>>>> rectangle are all about 80 values too low. is there a way to alter this
>>>> globally? is there an explanation for what happened?
>>>
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Re: [Finale] printing output vs. finale file/pdf
You have a font problem. In this case it looks like Maestro. I think these remedies could help: 1) Make sure you are only using one kind of Maestro font -- truetype or postscript. Remove one of the types if there are duplicates. These fonts might be located in a variety of places in your computer. Font Book can help with this. 2) Pdf files made on a Mac sometimes have problems on Windows machines. The solution is simple: just do a "save as" in Preview and give your pdf file a new name. The resaving goes through a different kind of pdf formatting than the one found in the printer dialog page. -Randolph Peters On 2010-11-26, at 5:50 PM, Nick Raspa wrote: > I am using FinMac 2K6d. I have a marimba file which has been formatted for a > 10 x 13 page size. I don't have a large format printer, so I have to do the > final draft by taking the work to kinkos. The format was correct but the > rolls didn't come out right. There should be three slashes for each note > rolled note, however, there are only two on the printout and they are > separated by a large space. It looks like one of the slashes is missing (the > one in the middle perhaps). I took a look at the original finale file and > all three are there. I took a look at the page size and it is correct > (although the pdf file shows letter size - but then all the other files do as > well and they came out fine. Actually, the marimba part is formatted > properly based on 10 x 13 as well...I don't understand this but it doesn't > seem that page format is the problem - but I may be wrong.) > > I printed the part on my printer and, despite not being a large format > printer, what I got was letter size and correct. There doesn't seem to be > anything in the original notation that needs to be corrected, but somewhere > in the formatting(??). I have uploaded both the scanned image of the > problematic copy and a pdf of the original finale file. I am not sure where > the problem is but I venture to guess that until I push the right button, the > printout from Kinkos won't change. Anyone have a suggestion? Here is a link > to the two files: > > https://public.me.com/njrmuse > The one marked "marimba scanned" is the problematic image from kinkos and the > one marked pdf is from the original finale file. > Nick Raspa > NJR Music Enterprises___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] smart shapes and parts
In practice however, the hairpins in parts often run into dynamics when the measure sizes are different. (To name just one of the problems.) -Randolph Peters On 2010-11-24, at 2:03 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Hmm, I dunno about length, but the actual position isn't linked. > > It sorta makes sense, as in theory, the crescendo would say take 2 bars, then > in the score, you'd have it two bars, and in the part, the same thing but > perhaps placed a little closer or further away > > > On Nov 24, 2010, at 11:25 AM, David Froom wrote: > >> Dear collective wisdom, >> >> Is it really true that smart shape horizontal adjustment in the parts (to >> shorten a hairpin, for example) MUST always be linked to the score? That >> is, a hairpin crescendo under a half note in the part (which is fairly >> short) MUST be the same length as that same hairpin in the score (where that >> half note could be holding against 16th notes in another part, and would, >> therefore, need to be much longer)? >> >> I can't believe this is by design. Is it programming laziness? Or some >> quirk of the program that is impossible to get around? >> >> I know that I can get around it by having a score file and a parts file -- >> and by adjusting nearly every hairpin in the parts. If this is a "feature" >> of Finale, it is both stupid and sad. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Darcy Argue in the Globe & Mail
There is a nice article (and video) of Finale List member Darcy Argue in Saturday's Globe and Mail. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/music/darcy-argue-low-profile-canadian-jazzman/article1805941/ For those of you not familiar with the newspaper, The Globe and Mail is Canada's national Toronto paper. Slight Finale content: The video shows actual music parts most likely done using Finale. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] (OT) ProTools
Richard Huggins wrote: > I had an arrangement recorded by a group that laid down tracks prior to the > session where I was present. I noticed that the engineer was using PT. And then what happened? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Darcy Argue in the Globe & Mail
There is a nice article (and video) of Finale List member Darcy Argue in today's Globe and Mail. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/music/darcy-argue-low-profile-canadian-jazzman/article1805941/ For those of you not familiar with the newspaper, The Globe and Mail is Canada's national Toronto paper. Slight Finale content: The video shows actual music parts most likely done using Finale. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] I always have Finale trash
Does anyone know why there are always these two folders in my trash every time I restart?: (I'm on Mac 10.6.x and I empty the trash.) /.Trash/Recovered files/FinaleMDImporter Temp Files/ /.Trash/Recovered files/FinaleQLGenerator Temp Files/ Sometimes the folders have other files, but they are always 0 kb in size. This has been going on for a few years, I think, through a number of Finale versions. It isn't a big problem, but I thought maybe someone might know how to get rid of them permanently. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tying unequal notes togetther
The history of music is filled with examples of enharmonic notes tied together. Or am I missing your question? -Randolph Peters On 2010-10-01, at 10:46 AM, billsi...@aol.com wrote: > > OK - - I've never seen unequal pitches tied together in any music of the last > 50 > years. If there is a key change, then the tie mark would have go THROUGH the > key signature. > I have never seen that in any of the last 5 decades I've been in the music > biz. > > Finale does not provide any way to do that. A tie mark only can go across a > measure line. > That is when the two pitches are in adjacent measures. Likewise for Sibelius > or any other notation package on the market. > > If there is a key change, it normally would be done after the tied notes, > like the next measure. > > I will send you $$$ for a steak dinner to > the first one that provides provides a counterexample (in REAL music) > > Whoever answered this apparently didn't take any music notation courses > either - - - > > They still need to address why the playback is not consistent with the > notation on the staff. > > Yours; Bill S. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ties unequal pitches together? (billsi...@aol.com) > 2. Re: Ties unequal pitches together? (SN jef chippewa) > 3. Re(2): [Finale] bart?k pizz. : line up vs. down (Leigh Daniels) > 4. names in the parts (Lawrence David Eden) > 5. Re: names in the parts (Eric Dannewitz) > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:08:36 -0400 > From: > Subject: [Finale] Ties unequal pitches together? > To: , > Message-ID: <8cd2e1878622382-700-...@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Well first of all, if the two pitches are not the same, it's a SLUR, not a > tie. > > But I've noticed that when you change the pitch of a note > that IS tied, it breaks the tie - and then does not put the correct > accidental > on the > other note. > > When it plays the music back it gives you two pitches, but does NOT show the > correct pitches > on the staff. In other words, the played pitches are not consistent with what > is > on the staff. > > When you change the pitch of a tied note, it should change the pitches of ALL > notes tied to it, automatically. > > I'm kind of surprised that their programmers won't FIX something that's so > obvious. > > But maybe it's because they never took any music courses? > > > > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:24:08 +0200 > From: SN jef chippewa > Subject: Re: [Finale] Ties unequal pitches together? > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > >> Well first of all, if the two pitches are not the same, it's a SLUR, >> not a tie. > > it would be a tie if the pitch change was to account for a key change > and the sounding note was the "same" but notated differently for the > context. > >> When you change the pitch of a tied note, it should change the >> pitches of ALL notes tied to it, automatically. >> >> I'm kind of surprised that their programmers won't FIX something >> that's so obvious. >> But maybe it's because they never took any music courses? > > maybe it's because it ain't broken. > > you can use the selection tool to change the pitch of a range of > notes (tied or not) in several ways. plugin change pitch to x, use > numpad 6/7/8/9 to transpose diatonically second / octave or use the > transposition context menu item for many more options. > > your proposal is an interesting one, i just don't think the tool is > broken like you suggest. you would rather see it function > differently. fair enough... but it ain't broked, dude. > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:36:58 -0400 > From: Leigh Daniels > Subject: Re(2): [Finale] bart?k pizz. : line up vs. down > To: Finale List > Message-ID: <20100929193658.957709...@smtp.comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Gardner Read, Music Notation, p. 272: > > "Another symbol is x invented by Stockhausen, inveterate fabricator of > notational devices. This sign is a slight modification of (circle-line > up) or (circle-line down) created by Béla Bartók for the "snap" > pizzicato in string instruments . . . " > >
Re: [Finale] Attaching Expressions to Grace Notes
Good advice Darcy. I think I should reinstall a few more older versions of Finale just for this purpose. -Randolph Peters On 2010-09-30, at 3:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Not excusing MM. And I definitely hope Tobias updates TGTools for Finale > 2011, including the parenthesized trill note function. > > That said... I have learned to never expect files created in earlier versions > of Finale to print correctly in a newer version. Finale has never been able > to do this reliably. > > That's why I have versions of Finale going back to 2004 on my machine (the > oldest version of Finale that will run in OS X), and that's why I create PDFs > of every score and part once it's complete. If a file doesn't require > editing, I always print from PDF. If a file does require editing, I always > edit it in the version of Finale with which it was created (or in Fin2004 if > it was created in Fin2003 or earlier). Anything else is just asking for > trouble. > > Cheers, > > - DJA > ----- > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > On 30 Sep 2010, at 3:50 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: > >> This is why all of my trill markings in every piece I've written before >> v2009 is wrecked. >> >> I guess I've written a lot of trills (that's an issue for another day!) and >> I've relied on TGTools to make this job easier. The method is to write the >> trilled-to note as a grace note and then run the TGTools macro. TGTools knew >> how to put brackets around the note and even change the size to accommodate >> accidentals. >> >> This functionality is now lost and older scores brought into 2009 or higher >> all lose that formatting. Yes, they can be edited and fixed, but each one >> takes a long time. >> >> Maybe we can convince Tobias to write a new plug-in to help fix old trills >> and to make new ones that work. >> >> In the meantime, a big raspberry to MakeMusic for not translating old files >> exactly the way we left them. >> >> -Randolph Peters >> >> >> On 2010-09-30, at 1:51 PM, Ryan wrote: >> >>> In Finale 2008 and previous, expressions could be attached directly to grace >>> notes. The size would be reduced (unless the expressions had fixed sizes) >>> and the positioning would be correct. >>> In 2010, this functionality has changed (I guess it actually changed in >>> 2009). The solution MakeMusic gave me is unsatisfactory. They say to assign >>> the expression to the main note. Right-click or Control-click to bring up >>> the Expression Assignment Window. You can then assign it to align to a grace >>> note. While it does move the expression to the left of the main note, it >>> doesn't actually align it correctly. Example, the expression I want to >>> assign should be centered directly over the note. I have to drag the >>> expression further to the left so it is positioned correctly over the grace >>> note. >>> Has anyone figured out a way to do this so it's as easy as it was in 2008? I >>> like using expressions because the size would be reduced accordingly to >>> match the size of the grace note. >> ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Attaching Expressions to Grace Notes
This is why all of my trill markings in every piece I've written before v2009 is wrecked. I guess I've written a lot of trills (that's an issue for another day!) and I've relied on TGTools to make this job easier. The method is to write the trilled-to note as a grace note and then run the TGTools macro. TGTools knew how to put brackets around the note and even change the size to accommodate accidentals. This functionality is now lost and older scores brought into 2009 or higher all lose that formatting. Yes, they can be edited and fixed, but each one takes a long time. Maybe we can convince Tobias to write a new plug-in to help fix old trills and to make new ones that work. In the meantime, a big raspberry to MakeMusic for not translating old files exactly the way we left them. -Randolph Peters On 2010-09-30, at 1:51 PM, Ryan wrote: > In Finale 2008 and previous, expressions could be attached directly to grace > notes. The size would be reduced (unless the expressions had fixed sizes) > and the positioning would be correct. > In 2010, this functionality has changed (I guess it actually changed in > 2009). The solution MakeMusic gave me is unsatisfactory. They say to assign > the expression to the main note. Right-click or Control-click to bring up > the Expression Assignment Window. You can then assign it to align to a grace > note. While it does move the expression to the left of the main note, it > doesn't actually align it correctly. Example, the expression I want to > assign should be centered directly over the note. I have to drag the > expression further to the left so it is positioned correctly over the grace > note. > Has anyone figured out a way to do this so it's as easy as it was in 2008? I > like using expressions because the size would be reduced accordingly to > match the size of the grace note. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Romanian diacriticals in Finale
Christopher Smith wrote: [snip] > I will get on MakeMusic's case (again!) about Unicode support. Mark D Lew wrote: [snip] >> As for your main question, since Finale doesn't support Unicode, the only >> way you're going to type these characters is if you find a font that maps >> them to the lower ASCII range. Fifteen years ago, that was not so hard to >> do. There has always been a demand for those characters, so in the days >> before Unicode was widespread lots of people created fonts in order to be >> able to type the way they want to type. But anyone who designs such a font >> now is going to use Unicode, because it's the standard after all. >> >> I'm afraid I need to shout once again what an outrage it is that Finale >> STILL doesn't support Unicode. It's not just that this is an extremely >> common and extremely useful standard that we ought to have access to, but >> it's now reached the point where, precisely because THE ENTIRE FREAKIN' >> UNIVERSE USES UNICODE NOW, no one anymore will design fonts that *aren't* >> Unicode, so it's now even more impossible to get non-standard characters >> into Finale than it was in 1995. This is so ridiculous. I don't care what >> code they have to rewrite in Finale, they NEED to have Unicode. Is there any >> other major software anywhere that doesn't? The lack of Unicode in Finale hurts MakeMusic in foreign markets and now increasingly in the North American one. Mark Lew has clearly shown how MakeMusic has misunderstood the impact of Unicode. (Short term thinking and failure to invest in future viability.) -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: 15va treble clef?
Daniel Wolf wrote: > I'm copying a score in which the composer requires a treble clef with a 15 > above it for a prominent glockenspiel part. I can't figure out how to get > this with the clef designer. Finale 2011, Windows machine. Before I go with > ordinary treble clefs and add the 15 as a separate text, any suggestions > would be much appreciated. Fughetta font has a treble clef with a 15 above it. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Doubling part label
On 2010-07-06, at 2:22 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Because of the PDF issue, I now use a vertical separation line instead of a > slash. And for multi-wind parts, I usually label first the part name, and > then the instruments used (in the order that they are used), e.g.: > > WIND 1 > Alto Flute|Flute|Soprano Sax > > or, for your example... > > FLUTE 3 > Piccolo|Flute Great tip! I'm going to use this from now on as well as cd's (dershem) suggestion about listing all the mutes at the beginning. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Organ Heel and Toe marks
The Toccata font has the heal and toe symbols you need. You can get them from here: http://www.efn.org/~bch/AboutFonts.html -Randolph Peters On 2010-06-27, at 9:12 PM, Ryan wrote: > I can't find heel and toe symbols in the articulation library. Does Finale > contain these characters? If not, can anyone recommend a font that does? > If I can't find these symbols, is it OK to use an up-bow mark for the toe > and a capital U for the heel? (Or maybe an inverted down bow? - That's what > the hand-written symbols look like in the MS...) > Thanks! > Ryan > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rendering Garritan instruments to separate WAV files
You have guessed correctly. There are no good short cuts to getting separate WAV tracks. You should solo just the track (or tracks) you want in the Instrument List window in order to make WAV files and then combine them in Audacity or whatever. Just be aware that if Human Playback is involved, you will get small but deadly timing variations between takes, so you will want to apply Human Playback to the file as a permanent modification. You then turn off HP and each track will then follow the same tempo variations. You could do this to a copy of the original file in case you don't like the results. Don't forget to record a click intro on each take so as to more easily align your tracks. They won't all start at exactly the same place. Even with the fastest computer and the most efficient use of instrument resources, Finale does not have the same precision as a dedicated sequencing program such as Cubase, Logic or Digital Performer. MakeMusic will tell you to port the MIDI file to those sequencer programs if you really want to control the audio aspect, but there are problems with that route: i) the MIDI file often has hung notes, and strange Human Playback artifacts, ii) you will get more MIDI tracks than staves for reasons that aren't consistent, iii) the Garritan sounds that come with Finale (after version 2007 anyways) don't load into those sequencer programs because of the way they are licensed. You will need the full Garritan program or other 3rd party sample files and they will probably use different key switches and other controllers. This user limitation is a major PITA if you port to a sequencing program a lot. -Randolph Peters P.S. It might be theoretically possible to route each track to a corresponding track in a dedicated sequencer, but you run into computer limitations with this many tracks as well some of the same issues I mentioned above. On 2010-06-05, at 10:40 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > I think the answer is "it cannot be done" but I'll ask the question anyway. > > I have been working with an old score this evening because the composer would > like to have a realistic playback file available. I converted everything to > Garritan sounds. With a bit of tweaking to the score, it is a pretty good > sound. > > My biggest problem is one of balance. I realize I can tweak the mix using > the mixer window and further control it with the dynamics markings throughout > the score. But to get this right would easily take me another 4 hours. > > What I would really like to do is dump each instrument down to its own WAV > file and then do the final mix under Audacity. This separate track feature > is available, for example, in Band-in-a-box. If I had that capability, I > could do all the necessary mixing in under 10 minutes. I should point out > this score is a full orchestra plus a 6 piece rock band, so there are a lot > of instruments in the mix. > > In Finale 2010, there is a File menu option to render the whole thing to a > WAV file. That is nice, but it is a single stereo WAV, not one WAV per > staff. Is there any other way to get separate WAV files short of muting > instruments and doing the render 25 times? > > If not, then if I have to do this type of thing in the future, I guess I'll > just save the file as MIDI tracks and run them into Cubase or something. But > that seems a real shame, considering that Finale has just about everything > else needed to produce a good rendering. Without easier control over the > mix, it is just not a viable solution, IMHO. > > For those who have already received F2011, has that feature been added by any > chance? > > (It probably doesn't help that there is a bug causing Finale to crash any > time I try to start the playback anywhere except measure 1.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 preordering?
Christopher Smith wrote: > I just heard 2011 for Mac is dropping support for OSX 10.4. It installs on > 10.5 or 10.6 only. > I guess that means that there is even MORE pressure on them to develop better > importation of older files. According to MakeMusic, 2011 has no changes from the previous version in file importation and translation abilities. I recommend that anyone who still has version 2008 should keep it in working order so that they may save old files in that version as an intermediary step. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Change is Good
Dear Justin (and Finale list): I don't remember exactly in what version we lost it, but it was before Finale 2k8. I'm talking about the ability to get the Utilities: Change menu popup when you control-click (or right-click in Windows) on a measure. There are lots of good options in the popup menu, but the one I used the most was Change. It would be great to see that again in a future version. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] File upgrading problems
Dear Justin (and Finale list): I've finally gotten around to making a pdf that shows some of the problems with upgrading old files. You can download it from here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4115754/Finale2k10%20Translation%20Problems.pdf Finale 2008 has some difficulty with old files (~version 2.63), but most of them can be solved with font substitution and loading better settings libraries. (Some people on this list have suggested going through Finale 2002 for even better results, but that needs an older Mac computer to work.) Finale 2009 AND 2010 have even more problems with these old files. Expressions and text boxes are often moved to unusable places. I'm referring to both note-attached expressions and measure-based expressions. My main point is that Finale 2010 (and higher) should have, at the very least, the same translation abilities as Finale 2008. And better if possible! Yes, you can first go through 2008 before editing in 2010, but not every user is going to have the older version. And besides, those capabilities should be in the latest version, don't you think? Thanks for considering this issue. Best, Randolph Peters On 2010-04-02, at 3:45 PM, Phillips, Justin wrote: > Does the odd expression placement behavior in 2009/2010 happen with files > that have a lot of measure attached dynamic expressions? Or does it happen > with both measure and note attached expressions? > > There's a few things we can do to make that transition easier. > > Justin Phillips > Notation Product Specialist > MakeMusic, Inc. > 7615 Golden Triangle Drive, Suite M > Eden Prairie, MN 55344-3848 > Direct: (952) 818-3819 > Sales: (800) 843-2066 > Technical Support: (952) 937-9703 > Fax: (952) 937-9760 I wrote: > If you have old (say pre-2003) Finale files that you want to edit in the > current version, you need to open them in Finale 2008 to have even the > remotest chance having your expressions present and in the proper place. Then > you can open the files in Finale 2010 and work with them. Even by going > through Finale 2008, there is still much lost in translation. [Some users > have had better success opening first with Finale 2002, then 2008, then 2010.] > > The point is that Finale 2009 and 2010 don't have the ability to translate > those older files that Finale 2008 has. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] New Fughetta.FAN file up
Hi Everyone! At Jari Williamsson's excellent Finale website: http://www.finaletips.nu/ I've added a new FAN file for people who use the Fughetta font. The one already there doesn't seem to have the right adjustments. You will have to look at the bottom of the page for the new one: http://bit.ly/cLX1i2 Cheers, Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Translating Old Files
Phillips, Justin wrote in the TAN: minor rant thread: > Does the odd expression placement behavior in 2009/2010 happen with files > that have a lot of measure attached dynamic expressions? Or does it happen > with both measure and note attached expressions? > > There's a few things we can do to make that transition easier. > > Justin Phillips > Notation Product Specialist I'll write up a description with pictures about the problem early next week. Thanks for your interest. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: minor, now major (well, maybe sergeant- major) rant
Ray Horton wrote: > Hey, guys, wait at least a week or two before you scare him off! > Randolph Peters wrote: >> Oh boy. I hope this won't get ugly... Point taken. I mean, Yes, Sir! -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: minor rant
Oh boy. I hope this won't get ugly, because we all need a lot of good will between Finale users and MakeMusic. Justin, you might not realize it, but you just pored gas over a burning fire. If any group has reported the bugs, lobbied for specific improvements, meticulously examined the demos, used the web forms, and emailed their contacts at MakeMusic, more than people on this list, I would be very surprised. Too often, our expert opinions have been denied, not taken seriously, or deemed too specialized for the wider customer base. You would be surprised at how often our bug reports have been met with the response that no one else has reported the problem and that they can't duplicate the issue. When we report the same thing here (on the list), then we see how many others are going through the same thing and sometimes we find workarounds. We report those workarounds back to MakeMusic and they still remain a secret. And they mostly don't fixed in the next version. Have you seen those recent Domino Pizza commercials? "Yes, we know our crust tastes like cardboard and the sauce like ketchup. So now we are doing something about it." Well, apart from the fact that it took Domino 30 years to figure that out, you do have to commend their honesty. The problem? It still tastes like crap. We've been here before, Justin. The problem is bigger than you think and it might be outside your power to do anything about it. But we do wish you luck and will try to help you whenever possible! -Randolph Peters Phillips, Justin wrote: > [snip] As you know, unfortunately some problems do get introduced into newer > versions of the software that are not caught during our testing and beta > process. When you encounter an issue, I highly recommend reporting it > immediately via the case system I posted a link to before, or via our > technical support line. Our agents report these issues and I verify then log > them for our development team to review. In addition, if an old problem > continues to appear for you in a newer version, I highly suggest doing the > same. This will create higher visibility for the problem and we can try to > tackle it for a maintenance release/new version. > > If you're curious about potential/old issues in a newer version, spending a > few minutes with the demo version may clear up any concerns. In addition, > our support staff is always available to field any questions about unresolved > issues or for information on any new problems that may have been introduced > with the release. > > Justin Phillips > Notation Product Specialist > MakeMusic, Inc. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: minor rant
Hi Justin, Welcome to our Finale discussion group. I hope that you will come to appreciate, as I have, the breadth of wisdom and experience of many of the contributors on this list. Christopher Smith is one such member. What he says about Finale should be given the highest attention at MakeMusic. I would like to raise another important issue that appears not to concern the Finale development team. And that is the problem of new versions of Finale not opening or translating older Finale files properly. If you have old (say pre-2003) Finale files that you want to edit in the current version, you need to open them in Finale 2008 to have even the remotest chance having your expressions present and in the proper place. Then you can open the files in Finale 2010 and work with them. Even by going through Finale 2008, there is still much lost in translation. [Some users have had better success opening first with Finale 2002, then 2008, then 2010.] The point is that Finale 2009 and 2010 don't have the ability to translate those older files that Finale 2008 has. Why was this capability lost? And what are we going to do when Finale 2008 doesn't work on our computers? [This is more of a Mac problem, but we've seen it happen with the switch to System X AND the switch to intel chips.] I've been with Finale since version 1 (as have many on this list) and we have a significant intellectual capital stored in our files. We need to be able to upgrade and edit those files, otherwise we lose most of the advantage of doing them on a computer to begin with. The subject line says "minor rant", but this is major. -Randolph Peters Christopher Smith wrote: > Justin, > > I notice you said you wanted to hear feedback about new features and > improvements. Sorry to come down hard on you, but what most of us on this > list are wringing our hands over are NOT more new features, but fixing the > bugs that cost us so much in lost time. Some are longstanding bugs, some are > introduced brand new accompanying the "new" features, and some break things > that always worked correctly before. It's the latter that are so galling, and > most likely to cost MakeMusic upgraders. How can we take a chance on paying > for an upgrade when so many new bugs have accompanied the last few upgrades, > and so few old bugs have gone unrepaired? > > I am sorry to give you such an impolite welcome to the list, but you DID > invite comments. > > Christopher > > > On Thu Apr 1, at ThursdayApr 1 10:02 AM, Phillips, Justin wrote: > >> Hi David/Mark, >> >> We certainly do monitor as many Finale boards and mailing lists as we can. >> In addition, we do want to hear thoughts and feedback about our new features >> or improvements you would like to see in future versions. Sometimes we do >> miss things on these mailing lists/forums, so the best way to ensure your >> suggestions and thoughts are seen by us is to submit them via a support case >> at the link below: >> >> http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/ask >> >> Wish everyone the best, >> >> Justin Phillips >> Notation Product Specialist >> MakeMusic, Inc. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale Preferences Tip (Mac)
Chuck Israels wrote in another thread: > I had re-built the prefs, but I may need to do it again, if only I could > remember where they are kept, so I could trash them! I know you already solved this, but I'll take the opportunity to pass out a useful tip about the preference file. 1) Many users find that the Finale preference file gets corrupted more often than it should. When you start Finale for the first time, it will make a preference file in this location: ~:Library:Preferences:Finale 2010 Preferences (Note that " ~" refers to Your hard drive name:Users:Your user name) 2) If you copy or move that file to the Finale application folder, Finale will use that preference file instead. Macintosh HD:Applications:Finale 2010:Finale 2010 Preferences (If you changed the name of your hard drive or moved your Finale application folder, then the path would also have to change accordingly.) 3) Make a copy of the preference file in the Finale application folder (once you've got all the settings the way you want) and then zip or stuff it. Macintosh HD:Applications:Finale 2010:Finale 2010 Preferences.zip (You now have the preference file in your Finale application folder as well as a compressed archive copy in the same folder.) 4) When your preference file goes bad again, and it will, simply unzip your archived copy of the preference file. It should then replace the faulty preference file. (Depending on your archiving program preferences, your original zipped or stuffed file might get trashed, so make sure you keep a copy of the archive before unstuffing or unzipping it.) 5) Finale will only use the preference file that has the proper name. In the case of Finale 2010, the file name needs to be "Finale 2010 Preferences" and nothing else! -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Help to create crescendo and diminuendo expression with playback effects
Randolph Peters wrote: > And if Jari's suggestion doesn't suite you... "Suite you"? Yikes. Been listening to too much baroque music lately. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Help to create crescendo and diminuendo expression with playback effects
And if Jari's suggestion doesn't suite you, there is always the MIDI tool where you can add your own volume changes (controller #7). -Randolph Peters > Marcello Noia wrote: >> I'm making a Finale file out of "Weeping song" by Shostakovitch to sort out >> a MIDI file for listening and learning purpose. >> There are "crescendo" and "diminuendo" expressions that I am not able to >> recreate in Finale. >> For example, I create a "cresc." expression, open playback options, choose >> the executable shape going from low to high, >> choose volume controller, leave fields 1:1 in playback options. Nothing >> happens. Try to change to 20:1 or higher. Nothing >> happens. Which settings should I apply? > Jari Williamsson wrote: > > Why can't you use HP and make it interpret the cresc/dim expressions > automatically? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2010 moving from OSX.4 to now
Because I had problems with Migration Assistant going from PPC to Intel, I did some research online and found that there was indeed quite a lot of discussion about the issue. It works without flaw for many, but others, such as myself, found that the program would hang. The main solvable problems had to do with some programs or plugins that weren't Universal, Rosetta not installed, and permissions not properly set. Other issues remain unsolved. If anyone is still skeptical (Eric?), see some of the discussion in the following pages: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1571689&tstart=0 http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1963 http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20070117075034219 http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10330398-263.html http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8300945231/m/245006246931 http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20070829091612810&query=Migration+Assistant http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1872713 I agree with Darcy, however, that you should give Migration Assistant a try. It could take a long time and appear to hang. It may take a couple of tries. If you have problems after all of that, then try some of the hints in the articles linked above. -Randolph Peters Darcy James Argue wrote: > Hi Jef, > > Just use the Migration Assistant. Choose your options sensibly and it will > almost certainly be fine. > > On 28 Jan 2010, at 4:22 PM, SN jef chippewa wrote: > >> >> it's definitely PPC >> >>> The first Mac Mini was PPC, but all the rest were based on Intel chips, so >>> I would check that before you start. >> ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2010 moving from OSX.4 to now
There are known issues going from a PPC Mac to an Intel Mac. Migration Assistant won't work properly in this case. You would have to transfer most things manually. (And by all means, use the Target Disk Mode!) The first Mac Mini was PPC, but all the rest were based on Intel chips, so I would check that before you start. -Randolph Peters On 2010-01-28, at 2:09 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Actually, on a new Mac, the Migration Assistant will run automatically when > you first power it on. It will guide you through all of the necessary steps. > > On 28 Jan 2010, at 1:20 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > >> Generally, things are easily transferred between a new mac and an old one. >> You just boot the old mac into target disk mode (reboot it and hold down the >> T key). Then use the Migration assistant, and you are set. >> >> Having transferred many Macs over the years, you do get the occasional >> problem now and then. When I went from a G4 Quicksilver tower to a MacPro, >> that was sorta messy. But going from a Mac Mini G4 to an iMac was flawless. >> Then again, upgrading a Mac Mini G4 from 10.4 to 10.5 was a nightmare. >> >> So, one never knows. I'd say it SHOULD go fine for you, but, as always, make >> sure you have a backup of stuff...and make sure you get updates to >> plugins and system extensions that are Universal Binary. So, when you boot >> up the new computer, go to System Preferences->Accounts->Login Items and see >> what runs, and make sure all those are updated to be Universal Binary and >> updated to run under 10.6. You also might want to run Activity Monitor on >> the new computer to see what things are running, and make sure they are >> Intel (under the Kind column). Things like old Epson printer monitors and >> stuff might show up in there and not be needed anymore. >> >> On 1/28/10 5:49 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: >>> >>> any issues i should be aware of in moving from mac mini OSX.4.11 to macbook >>> pro with... um whatever member of the cat family they are currently running? >>> >>> getting my first laptop tomorrow and am hoping to minimize time spent >>> adjusting... since i'm in the middle of a big job. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] File Overwrite Bug in FinMac2010b r.1
Yikes! -Randolph Peters Christopher Smith wrote: > I just experienced the file overwrite bug again, after several versions > without seeing it. Here is the tech support message I sent: > > I just had a Finale file overwritten by the contents of another Finale file. > Disaster was averted by the last backup being okay still, but I thought you > guys should know about this potentially devastating bug. > > The scenario was the same as almost every time this bug has gotten me. I had > a file open and was working on it when I opened another file with a different > title. Both files had been created brand new from inside 2010, though I had > previously imported a library for the second file. > > I made some layout edits for File 2 (called Wedding Song here) printed one > part to PDF, saved and closed the window. I noticed that the window for File > 1 (called Mi Chamocha v.1 SATBcant.mus here) had closed, and supposed that I > had accidentally hit command-W twice in close succession. When I reopened Mi > Chamocha however, it had the contents of Wedding Song in it! I never saved > as... nor changed any filename, nor even saw the file selector window (except > to save the PDF.) > > This is exactly the same thing that used to happen to me in old versions of > Finale when I had two files open at once. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] importing pdf as graphic
Andrew Stiller wrote: > The problem is at base a Sibelius-->Finale one. The composer whose work I > want to publish uses Sibelius, and he's been sending me pdfs which I can then > print out for publication purposes. The problem is with the extracted parts: > I need to be able to print them in booklet order, and that can't be done from > Preview or Acrobat Reader. This could in theory be solved either of two ways: > either by me importing the pdf pages into Finale and then print out in > booklet order (2-up and duplexed on 11x17 paper) from Finale, or by having > the composer create a pdf that is already in booklet order so that I could > print it straight from Preview in the normal way. > > Last I looked, Sibelius could only print booklets by printing one set of > pages and then refeeding them into the printer for a second pass. Do recent > states of the program provide for single-pass print out (to pdf)? Any other > suggestions? > CocoaBooklet is a great, free app that will do what you want. It doesn't work on Snow Leopard (Mac OS 10.6+) but I seem to recall that you aren't on that OS. All you do is take your letter sized pdf file and drop it onto CocoaBooklet and it will make a new pdf that is properly formatted for center-stapled booklets in tabloid size. (You can change those size parameters in the preferences.) http://www.iconus.ch/fabien/products/cbeng/cbeng.html Alternatively, you can try adding this free service to your Mac, and this one works in Snow Leopard: http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Word-Processing/Create-Booklet-PDF-Service.shtml -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] String Orchestra Parts layout
In general, you DO want to have SEPARATE cello parts rather than two staves per system. There will be too much page turning and visual confusion otherwise. Here are some exceptions: 1) If the extra cello part is different only a few measures here or there, you could do one part with the occasional 2 stave system. 2) If the music is of such a nature that the cellists need to know what the other parts are playing. (Aleatoric or extremely complicated scores come to mind.) 3) If the two cello parts are very rhythmical and the tightest coordination is needed, there can be a lag if the second divisi string part is physically too far away. This applies more to violin divisi parts where violin I-a and I-b might be too far apart. The solution is to divide the strings with an inside/outside stand arrangement rather than front of section and back of section. Of course, you have to have the two staves in the same part for this to work. If your score is of this nature, check with the concertmaster or first cellist for advice here. 4) If the string orchestra only has 2 cellists and no room for 2 stands. (This is rare, but it does happen in extremely small venues.) -Randolph Peters On 2009-11-25, at 11:12 AM, Ryan Beard wrote: > I'm working on a piece for String Orchestra, but it has a second cello part. > (The instrumentation is Violin I, Violin II, Viola, Cello I, Cello II, String > Bass.) My question concerns the cello part. Should I extract the cello parts > together in one part on two staves, or in separate parts, like the > violins?What in your opinion would be best for the performers, and best for > the rehearsal process and performance?Happy Thanksgiving!Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: OT Dies Irae
As long as we are taking things off the list, I am not convinced that Haydn's Drum Roll Symphony (mvt.4, intro) really quotes the Dies Irae either. -Randolph Peters Howard Shore used it throughout his scores to the "Lord of the Rings" films. Andrew Stiller wrote He most certainly did not! Nor is it to be found in Dvorak's 7th. Similarity is not identity. I once amused myself by "proving" that numerous famous themes, including all four movements of Mozart's clarinet quintet and the opening to the Rite of Spring, were all variations on "The Sidewalks of New York." You gotta watch out for that sort of thing. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] iPhone number keypad
Finale speedy note entry really relies on having a numeric keypad, but many laptop computers don't have one. If you've got an iPhone or iPod touch, this free app can help: http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=310129994&mt=8 I haven't tried it yet myself, but apparently it works in both Windows and the Mac OS. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano Duet Layout
Michael Lawlor wrote: Does anyone have any advice on how to produce a performing score for piano duet with the secondo part on the left page facing the primo part on the right page? dhbailey replied: You've gotten good replies already -- here's my suggestion: 1) enter the music in page view only; 2) calculate just which measures you want on each set of facing pages; 3) enter the music for each page just as you wish it to appear (forget about playback of anything more than a single page of a single part); 4) create two different page headers, one for the Secondo Part and one for the Primo Part, each set to appear only on left page or right page accordingly; 5) Set the measure number regions, one for each page; This should allow you to end up with a single Finale file which will print just as you wish without the bother of having to go to PDFs and interlacing the pages to get the proper printout. If I've omitted any important step, I'm certain someone will point that out. :-) Thanks for outlining another way of doing things. When it comes to music notation, we need all the tricks we can get. One quibble: "the bother of having to go to PDFs and interlacing" pales in comparison to the hassle (among other things) of the method listed above. Just drag and drop the PDF pages into the sidebar of Preview or Acrobat and resave the result. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] font problem in PDF
As I posted earlier, you need to resave your resulting file by doing a "Save as..." in Preview before sending on your PDF. This has resolved my problems here. The files only change slightly in size, I might add. -Randolph Peters On 2009-10-09, at 10:35 AM, shirling & neueweise wrote: i'm not sure where this problem comes from, maybe someone has a solution. i (mac) sent parts to the orchestra librarian (PC) who sees characters instead of music symbols for noteheads, clefs etc. my distiller settings are to embed all music fonts (subset when under 100%). she sees the same problem with a PDF generated through the OSX dialogue. the conductor didn't have this problem, but i know he has finale installed, and therefore all necessary fonts, on his dumputer. in the short term she is downloading the demo version of finale and so should have the fonts and be able to view/print the parts correctly, but this should not happen and i would like to resolve it. any ideas? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print PDF all (linked) parts
Darcy James Argue wrote: I'm using the built-in Save as PDF from the OS X print dialog. Works perfectly. For safety, you should do one more step: A lot of Windows/Acrobat users have problems with some pdfs made on Macs. If you use the Save as PDF method, open the resulting file(s) in Preview and then do a "Save as ..." with a new file name. That somehow forces the fonts to better behave when you transfer the files to other computers. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Cocoa Booklet no longer working in Snow Leopard
Thanks for the heads up. I like this program as well and will be looking for a replacement. Here is what the developer says on his web site: http://www.iconus.ch/fabien/page33/page33.html Snow Leopard compatibility: Without warning, Apple has completely removed all the Cocoa-Java components in Snow Leopard. Since all of my applications rely heavily on Cocoa-Java and Java, they will all require a complete rewrite to work with Snow Leopard. Since developping software applications is a hobby and since I have a full time job to pay the bills, I cannot spend my whole time working on rewriting my applications. Therefore, I cannot make any promise for a new release date, but I will do my best. *** -Randolph Peters On 2009-10-01, at 8:04 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: With some worry I have just found out that Cocoa Booklet is no longer working in Snow Leopard. It was my favourite tool to create booklets. Does anyone know of a working replacement? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: use of "subito"
Randolph Peters wrote: Subito mp sends a mixed message. Who ever talks about something being suddenly lukewarm? Much better to use p, pp, or even a quieter dynamic for dramatic contrast. (My comments are general in nature, not based on any actual knowledge of this piece.) If the dynamic intent is not clear from the context, then maybe some text indication could help, but subito seems to be the wrong word for it. In an orchestral setting, mezzo-anything should only be used 1) as a way of fine-tuning the balance with other instruments or 2) as an in-between kind of dynamic such as when you go from p cresc. mp cresc. mf cresc. f. Again, this is just a general guide and there probably good reasons to occasionally ignore it. Owain Sutton replied: Like the end of Sibelius 4? ;) I don't know if the mf at the end of Sibelius' Symphony No. 4 really works, although Alex Ross makes a good case for it in "The Rest is Noise." Speaking of mf endings: I have a friend, who as a student composer, showed the first movement of his piano concerto to Leonard Bernstein for comment. Bernstein took a look at the last mf chord (not realizing there were 2 more movements to come) and called it a "fuck you" ending. Either you end big or you fade away was his advice. On the other hand, if you want to compose in a way that challenges the assumptions of dramatic and narrative forms in music, mezzo dynamics are perfectly acceptable (a la Cage and Feldman). -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: use of "subito"
Subito mp sends a mixed message. Who ever talks about something being suddenly lukewarm? Much better to use p, pp, or even a quieter dynamic for dramatic contrast. (My comments are general in nature, not based on any actual knowledge of this piece.) If the dynamic intent is not clear from the context, then maybe some text indication could help, but subito seems to be the wrong word for it. In an orchestral setting, mezzo-anything should only be used 1) as a way of fine-tuning the balance with other instruments or 2) as an in- between kind of dynamic such as when you go from p cresc. mp cresc. mf cresc. f. Again, this is just a general guide and there probably good reasons to occasionally ignore it. Furthermore, there is the philosophical issue of whether your dynamics refer to the resultant sound level or the effort that goes into making the sound. Different ensembles and instrumental traditions use different conventions. -Randolph Peters On 2009-09-18, at 3:02 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Thank you for the kind comments, Chuck (even though we don't agree on this!) but I was thinking about this again (too much time on my hands?) and the thing that strikes me as odd is that after F woodwinds, MP brass is not going to sound like much of a dynamic change, subito or otherwise. FF woodwinds to P brass, yes, but not as the composer is writing it. Or more likely (given the relative strengths of each section) FF brass to subito p woodwinds. That would make more sense to my eye and ear. I think maybe the advice somebody gave early on, to talk to the composer to find out what his intention was, is the best bet here, because I don't really see it. Christopher On Sep 18, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: I have respect for Christopher's opinions. They are consistently thought out and "finished," but I disagree in this case. I believe that consistency in notation is essential in order to get consistent results. Over-explaining in one instance will train musicians to expect it in other situations. Notation should be as complicated as it needs to be and no more complicated, as simple as it needs to be and no simpler. I understand the desire to save rehearsal time and effort on the part of the conductor/director, but the incomplete nature of written communication is what makes the director's job (and rehearsals) necessary. If it were my score, and I were concerned about this spot, my first instinct would be to put a note in the score for the conductor - maybe an eyeglass symbol at the brass entrance. My 2c. Chuck On Sep 17, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:25 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: Working on a piece for large ensemble. The composer has a passage for woodwinds at forte. Immediately after the WW finish, the brass comes in at mezzo piano. The composer has marked "mp subito" in the brass parts, but I think the inclusion of subito is unnecessary since the brass haven't been playing before this.What's your opinion? I've seen two types of markings: those that tell the player what to do and those that communicate the overall dynamic. Mostly we see the first type (so flutes might be marked F and the brass MP in the same passage, to make it balance) but sometimes we see an overall dynamic and have to balance ourselves (so we might all be marked MF and the flutes play F and the brass play MP anyway.) I see no problem with subito mp in a part that hasn't played yet, because musicians are listening to one another and might be inclined to follow the dynamic they hear REGARDLESS of what is marked. Dynamics are not set decibel levels like the Finale playback would have us believe; they are subject to interpretation by the performers (with help from the conductor, if he gives it!) I'm with Lee here (seemingly against the general consensus). Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Quickeys & Snow Leopard (Mac)
I still find Quickeys to be an essential tool and that's especially true with Finale. (It is slightly less important now that Apple's customizable keyboard commands work so well.) If you are using Quickeys 4 with Snow Leopard, at this time there are incompatibilities that stop Quickeys from working properly. There is a beta version on this page that seems to alleviate the problem: http://www.startly.com/products/quickeys/mac/4/snowleopard/ If you haven't tried Quickeys, they offer a 30 day free trial that you can now keep renewing. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Disappearing Page Margins Dialog box
Hi David, I read your note again and realized that except for the rotation trick in the display preferences, you've already tried my suggestions. (I know you are a Finale expert, but sometimes even the elementary stuff escapes us, so sorry about the dumb advice.) I really don't know why replacing the Finale preferences didn't change the dialog box placement. That usually does the trick for me. If you indeed replaced the preferences with a brand new one, then this is a terrible bug and I will be happy to dig out my pitch-fork again and raise it in MakeMusic's direction. -Randolph Peters On 23-Jul-09, at 6:04 PM, David Froom wrote: I have experienced a problem where the system and page margins dialog boxes won't appear. It happens when I move from a large screen to a smaller one -- when I've dragged the boxes off to the side. When I move to the smaller screen, I can't get them back! Just now, I couldn't find the page margin dialog box. I trashed the preferences, tried resizing the screen (large to small to large) combined with restarting. Nothing worked until I set up a pair of monitors, and eventually I found the page margin box underneath my main screen (by dragging the arrangement of the two monitors so that the second monitor would continue the screen real estate beneath the main monitor). Does anyone know, should this happen again, an easy way to get these boxes back? Without having to resort to adding monitors? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Disappearing Page Margins Dialog box
I guess you shouldn't drag the boxes to anywhere that will be hard to find again when you change your monitor setup. Another way to find those errant boxes is to temporarily change the screen resolution to a very high resolution (Display Preferences) and possibly change the rotation. The box might just show up on the edge somewhere. I used to have this problem until I stopped doing what I wanted and tried to do what Finale wanted me to do. (What's the emoticon for "I have no independent ideas and only live to do MakeMusic's bidding?) Another idea would be to have a good Finale Preferences file zipped and ready to go inside your Finale folder. Whenever you have problems, just unzip the archive and let it replace your current preference file. When you restart the program, your boxes should be where you want them. (You could also have a dual monitor preference file zipped and a single monitor preference zipped, but it would be a little trickier remembering which was which given that they have to have the same name.) -Randolph Peters On 23-Jul-09, at 6:04 PM, David Froom wrote: I have experienced a problem where the system and page margins dialog boxes won't appear. It happens when I move from a large screen to a smaller one -- when I've dragged the boxes off to the side. When I move to the smaller screen, I can't get them back! Just now, I couldn't find the page margin dialog box. I trashed the preferences, tried resizing the screen (large to small to large) combined with restarting. Nothing worked until I set up a pair of monitors, and eventually I found the page margin box underneath my main screen (by dragging the arrangement of the two monitors so that the second monitor would continue the screen real estate beneath the main monitor). Does anyone know, should this happen again, an easy way to get these boxes back? Without having to resort to adding monitors? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] PDF tips for Mac 10.5x
Randolph Peters wrote: "Wiggy" over at the official forum has posted a helpful tip sheet for those of us who use Mac Leopard and want to make Finale pdfs that can be read by anyone on any system. (Sometimes Acrobat or Windows users have problems reading our pdf files.) www.specialmillwork.com/Finale tips/PDFs_on_MacOSX.pdf The URL has too many spaces to work as a link from email, although it works fine from the Finale Forum. (Go figure.) You can download the tip sheet here: http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=264309 It is the second item. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] PDF tips for Mac 10.5x
"Wiggy" over at the official forum has posted a helpful tip sheet for those of us who use Mac Leopard and want to make Finale pdfs that can be read by anyone on any system. (Sometimes Acrobat or Windows users have problems reading our pdf files.) www.specialmillwork.com/Finale tips/PDFs_on_MacOSX.pdf -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Inverted V glyph
Darcy James Argue wrote: They OS X keyboard viewer does not display all fonts in the pull- down menu — only a tiny subset of those installed on my system. The Character Palette lists all kinds of variations on the "LOGICAL AND" character (which happens to be an inverted "V")-- but the vast majority of the results are Unicode characters that can't be used in Finale. But even if there are non-Unicode characters include there -- and there might be -- there is no way to tell, because the Character Palette does not show that info. Finally, the Character Palette doesn't tell you what key combination is mapped to the selected glyph. There is a free version of Linotype FontExplorer X that I still use. (Mac only.) It seems to work with the latest OS and I don't see any need to upgrade to the commercial version. I don't use it to manage my fonts, but it is a great tool for showing all the characters and the keyboard equivalents not to mention printing out the typefaces. http://fex.linotype.com/download/mac/FontExplorerX123.dmg Cheers, Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Parenthesized trill notes
Darcy James Argue wrote: As the (incredibly annoying, with no sign of a "don't show again" button) popup reminder keeps reminding me, TGTools Create Parenthesized Trill Notes plugin does not work with Fin2009 or later. What do you Fin2009 - 2010 use instead? The plugin still works despite the message. The problem is that the parentheses don't stick to the trilled note very well because of the changes in the way expressions are handled starting with Finale 2009. It is an extra step, but I usually just replace the expression based ( ) with one from the articulations tool. I've got 2 versions: one for a trilled note without accidental and a wider one for one with accidental. Maybe someday Tobias could make this change to the plugin. Because the previous parentheses don't stick to the grace note, they tend to move around when you edit and they also get resized according to what they are allegedly attached to. I've got scores that have many TGTools trills in them and they all need a ton of work if I open them in Finale 2009. Thanks a lot MakeMusic! (The "!" was supposed to indicate sarcasm.) -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: WHAT Sibelius can't do
Darcy James Argue wrote: ... show me *any* other application, of any kind, that deals with fonts and does not have a dedicated Font menu or Font panel. Sibelius's way of working may seem "logical" in retrospect, but it's totally unlike anything else out there. It's not just different from Finale, it's different from *everything*. I agree. As a long-time Finale user I knew I would have to devote new brain cells to learning Sibelius, but I hoped that the Mac way of doing things would help me out. By the Mac way, I'm talking about exploring the menus, memorizing the keyboard commands along the way, and generally seeing what happens. (I read manuals for fun, but starting there is like asking for directions. Not cool.) It took me a couple of days just to figure out how to put in slurs, dynamics, articulations and other text items with complete control over font, size and appearance. Most of these things don't appear in the menus in the Sibelius 6 demo. Now that I know how, it is easy, but it was frustrating at first. And surprising too, given how often we hear that Sibelius is so intuitive. I'm just saying... -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] more on Sibelius 6
I was playing around with the Sibelius 6 demo and couldn't help but get envious of the Audio/MIDI implementation. You don't have to choose between Rewire, AU, VST, Soundfonts, and external MIDI. You can get them all at the same time right from within the program. This is something that I've begging Finale to do for eons. Now that Sibelius has it, I'd say the chances look better. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying tuplets vertically in FinMac09
I know! I have the same problem, different rhythm. I kept changing the quantization level, which in the ancient past used to affect this sort of thing, but the results are the same each time. The last frustrating measure I had like this was a 4/4 with a sextuplet on beat 4. It just would not copy without changing the rhythm to something very complicated involving nested tuplets and awkward ties. Instant Ferneyhough! -Randolph Peters Christopher Smith wrote: What's up with copying measures containing tuplets to other staves vertically? I have a measure of 8/4 (showing as 4/4, so I can fit 8 beats worth of cadenza in.) In some other parts, I have a whole note with a fermata, set to be a tuplet of 8 quarternotes in the space of 8 quarters. All looks good in the first part, but when i copy it to another staff, it turns into a double-whole-note, in other words, the tuplet does not copy properly. I have 'all" set to copy in the Selection Tool filter, which is supposed to include tuplet definitions. Am I missing something (entirely possible) or should I just abandon this and notate the cadenza as 8 quarters in the space of 4 and change the time sig back? (stupid, stupid bugs!) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] file upgrade experience
Steve has a point. Finale 2008 does some things fairly well when opening an old file. Mid-measure clef changes stay put, for example. But the best method I've tried still involves going through v2002 first. -Randolph Peters Steve Fiskum wrote: I understand the issues with 2009 but what about upgrading directly to 2008? "Randolph Peters wrote: The biggest problem in upgrading old files to Finale 2009 is the scattering of expressions. In the files I was working with, most of my dynamics showed up far to the right of the page. A dynamic attached to beat 2 in the original might show up as belonging to beat 10 in the upgraded file. And this is in a 4/4 measure! The old files used a lot of what used to be called score expressions (as opposed to note expressions) and most of these were made to show up only on one staff. That used to be the best way to incorporate hairpins and dynamics on a held note. These v2.63 files were for large orchestra and used a variety of fonts that are now outdated. (Newport, Petrucci, and so on.) Fiskum, Steve wrote: Very interesting. I've upgraded 100s of 2.63 choral files and have good results going directly to 2008. Out of curiosity, what type of music are you upgrading and what types of issues were you having (I agree that 2009 is a disaster to upgrade directly)? Thanks, Steve "Randolph Peters" wrote: On the advice of the Finale list, I upgraded a version 2.63 file to Finale 2008 by first going through Finale 2002. It took a few weeks to get to it because I had to resurrect an old computer from the crawl space. The old Mac was fine, if not slow, and it still had Finale 2002 on it. (Finale 2002 on a Mac only works with an older processor and OS.) What a huge difference that made! Going directly from 2.63 into Finale 2008 or worse, Finale 2009, is a total disaster. But Finale 2002 keeps most things where they are supposed to be and that makes it easier for Finale 2008 and 2009 to handle. So thanks to Robert Patterson, Christopher Smith and others for their superb help! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] file upgrade experience
The biggest problem in upgrading old files to Finale 2009 is the scattering of expressions. In the files I was working with, most of my dynamics showed up far to the right of the page. A dynamic attached to beat 2 in the original might show up as belonging to beat 10 in the upgraded file. And this is in a 4/4 measure! The old files used a lot of what used to be called score expressions (as opposed to note expressions) and most of these were made to show up only on one staff. That used to be the best way to incorporate hairpins and dynamics on a held note. These v2.63 files were for large orchestra and used a variety of fonts that are now outdated. (Newport, Petrucci, and so on.) -Randolph Peters Fiskum, Steve wrote: Very interesting. I've upgraded 100s of 2.63 choral files and have good results going directly to 2008. Out of curiosity, what type of music are you upgrading and what types of issues were you having (I agree that 2009 is a disaster to upgrade directly)? Thanks, Steve "Randolph Peters" wrote: On the advice of the Finale list, I upgraded a version 2.63 file to Finale 2008 by first going through Finale 2002. It took a few weeks to get to it because I had to resurrect an old computer from the crawl space. The old Mac was fine, if not slow, and it still had Finale 2002 on it. (Finale 2002 on a Mac only works with an older processor and OS.) What a huge difference that made! Going directly from 2.63 into Finale 2008 or worse, Finale 2009, is a total disaster. But Finale 2002 keeps most things where they are supposed to be and that makes it easier for Finale 2008 and 2009 to handle. So thanks to Robert Patterson, Christopher Smith and others for their superb help! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] file upgrade experience
On the advice of the Finale list, I upgraded a version 2.63 file to Finale 2008 by first going through Finale 2002. It took a few weeks to get to it because I had to resurrect an old computer from the crawl space. The old Mac was fine, if not slow, and it still had Finale 2002 on it. (Finale 2002 on a Mac only works with an older processor and OS.) What a huge difference that made! Going directly from 2.63 into Finale 2008 or worse, Finale 2009, is a total disaster. But Finale 2002 keeps most things where they are supposed to be and that makes it easier for Finale 2008 and 2009 to handle. So thanks to Robert Patterson, Christopher Smith and others for their superb help! -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] quick duplication of expressions
This works on Finale 2009. The option-up/down arrow works on a Mac. I imagine that on Windows you use alt instead of option. By the way, there are even more new keyboard commands for quickly adding expressions. Select an expression and try out these: 1) option-home or option-end [these add the expression to every staff above and below respectively] 2) command-option-return pulls up a list of staves with check boxes to choose which staves you want I'm just proposing that these keyboard commands be rigged to work with articulations and smart shapes as well. -Randolph Peters Jane Frasier wrote: I didn't know that but I don't seem to be able to get it to work. I clicked on a dynamic marking to select, held down Option and and arrow and what it did was nudge the expression a little up or down. What am I doing wrong? Jane Randolph Peters wrote: I like the recent option of being able to quickly duplicate expressions on a staff above or below. On a Mac you select the expression and then hit option-up or down arrow and a copy shows up in the slot above or below. If you have a stack of similar parts, this can be a very fast way of entering data. It would be great if you could now do the same thing with articulations, slurs, and hairpins. Why not extend the method to the other tools? It would make Finale more consistent and it would be an efficiency boon. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] quick duplication of expressions
I like the recent option of being able to quickly duplicate expressions on a staff above or below. On a Mac you select the expression and then hit option-up or down arrow and a copy shows up in the slot above or below. If you have a stack of similar parts, this can be a very fast way of entering data. It would be great if you could now do the same thing with articulations, slurs, and hairpins. Why not extend the method to the other tools? It would make Finale more consistent and it would be an efficiency boon. This reminds me of the good old days when we used to think that our brainstorming and ideas might help. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
