Re: [Finale] Back to EPS
d. collins wrote: Just received confirmation from MM that this feature doesn't work with Windows 2000 or XP, but that it should work with Win98. If they have confirmed that it should work on Win98, they should give you the required steps to get it to work! It's amazing that they know about the problems, but includes it without even disabling it on the operating systems where they know it doesn't work. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Great! So you can confirm that the font warning that was still present in 2K5 is not there in 2K5a when exporting eps. If it's true, that's very good news. Maybe I'll upgrade after all. Éric Le 04-11-18, à 16:26, Harold Owen a écrit : Éric, No. I did not get a warning. Éric Dussault Les Productions d'OZ 1367, rue du Cran Saint-Romuald (Québec) Canada G6W 5M7 http://www.productionsdoz.com Tél. 418 834-8384 Fax. 418 834-3522 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I still get the font warning, plus the text of the warning is misleading: if I export a selection with more than just the music font (in my case NewCenturySchoolbook) used, and then reimport this EPS in Finale, the text font prints as courier. That is on the same machine, which does have the font installed. If anyone knows how to work around this I'd like to know. Johannes Eric Dussault wrote: Great! So you can confirm that the font warning that was still present in 2K5 is not there in 2K5a when exporting eps. If it's true, that's very good news. Maybe I'll upgrade after all. Éric Le 04-11-18, à 16:26, Harold Owen a écrit : Éric, No. I did not get a warning. Éric Dussault Les Productions d'OZ 1367, rue du Cran Saint-Romuald (Québec) Canada G6W 5M7 http://www.productionsdoz.com Tél. 418 834-8384 Fax. 418 834-3522 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Try this: on the page of the score where you've placed the EPS file, add a text block with an invisible character (a space will do fine) in NewCenturySchoolbook font. This should make sure that NewCenturySchoolbook gets downloaded to the printer. Michael Cook I still get the font warning, plus the text of the warning is misleading: if I export a selection with more than just the music font (in my case NewCenturySchoolbook) used, and then reimport this EPS in Finale, the text font prints as courier. That is on the same machine, which does have the font installed. If anyone knows how to work around this I'd like to know. Johannes Eric Dussault wrote: Great! So you can confirm that the font warning that was still present in 2K5 is not there in 2K5a when exporting eps. If it's true, that's very good news. Maybe I'll upgrade after all. Éric Le 04-11-18, à 16:26, Harold Owen a écrit : Éric, No. I did not get a warning. Éric Dussault Les Productions d'OZ 1367, rue du Cran Saint-Romuald (Québec) Canada G6W 5M7 http://www.productionsdoz.com Tél. 418 834-8384 Fax. 418 834-3522 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yes, but I'm pretty sure Harold is on Windows... -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 06:53:29 -0500, Eric Dussault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great! So you can confirm that the font warning that was still present in 2K5 is not there in 2K5a when exporting eps. If it's true, that's very good news. Maybe I'll upgrade after all. Éric Le 04-11-18, à 16:26, Harold Owen a écrit : Éric, No. I did not get a warning. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I'm on Mac - FinMac2005a. Hal Yes, but I'm pretty sure Harold is on Windows... -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 06:53:29 -0500, Eric Dussault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great! So you can confirm that the font warning that was still present in 2K5 is not there in 2K5a when exporting eps. If it's true, that's very good news. Maybe I'll upgrade after all. Éric Le 04-11-18, à 16:26, Harold Owen a écrit : Éric, No. I did not get a warning. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Éric writes: don't you get the font warning when exporting eps ? To my knowledge it doesn't work as it did in the older versions and the font warning is incredibly counter productive. Éric Le 04-11-17, à 13:41, Harold Owen a écrit : Dear folks, I'm using FinMac 2005a. The EPS files it generates seem to work the same as they did in older versions. When I insert them in a Word file, the screen image isn't wonderful, but the print-out is fine. When I make a PDF file from the Word file, the screen image is improved, and the print-out is fine. I will be using this method for the 2005 update of my tutorials. Hal Éric, No. I did not get a warning. Hal -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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EPS worked fine for me in FinMac2002 and 2003, in system 9. It works after a fashion in 2005 in OSX as well, it's just that the previews are such low quality as to be illegible, but they print OK. That's what has forced me to switch to 600dpi TIFF. I like to be able to clearly read the music on screen inside things like Word documents. -- Rocky Road - in Oz Fleeing from the Cylon tyranny, the last Battlestar, Galactica, leads a ragtag, fugitive fleet, on a lonely quest, for a shining planet known as Earth. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Today's news from MM on exporting EPS: All of the testing we have done still says that it should work in Windows 98. We are working on fixing it in Windows 2000 and XP. We do not know when it will be fixed for Windows 2000. After all, it's only been broken for at least five years now... Acknowledging the problem is a breakthrough. RY ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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d. collins wrote: I always assumed that exporting EPS files worked in earlier versions of Windows (95 98). I just tried with Win98 and Fin2004. The files are created (which is more than what happens in Win2K), but seem corrupt. So my question is: has anyone been able to create usable EPS files _with embedded fonts_ using Finale 2004 under Win98? If so, I'd appreciate being told what printer driver exactly you use. Have you asked MM support about this? If MM provides a feature that is useless on all supported operating systems, it would at least be more honest to just remove the feature alltogether. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 11/17/2004 11:28 AM, d. collins wrote: Jari Williamsson écrit: Have you asked MM support about this? If MM provides a feature that is useless on all supported operating systems, it would at least be more honest to just remove the feature alltogether. Just received confirmation from MM that this feature doesn't work with Windows 2000 or XP, but that it should work with Win98. In other words, MM admits that this problem is at least as old as Windows 2000 - which I find quite amazing. I assume nothing will be done about unless enough of us need this feature and don't upgrade until it's fixed. I bought a $79 full page scanner a few years ago. It uses ScanSoft drivers. It worked perfectly on Win98. When I upgraded to Win2K, it stopped working. I did a bunch of web searches, etc. The short story is that ScanSoft no longer supports the fake SCSI driver-through-the-parallel-port technology that they used to connect to the scanner. However, since I had an old unused computer, I installed Win98 on it and I now have a scanning station. I wouldn't hold your breath ;-) Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Dennis wrote: Just received confirmation from MM that this feature doesn't work with Windows 2000 or XP, but that it should work with Win98. In other words, MM admits that this problem is at least as old as Windows 2000 - which I find quite amazing. It didn't work in Win98 *for me.* I've been struggling with this problem since day one on *every* OS, including four Mac versions, since version 2 of Finale (yep, I still have all my disks and manuals to prove it!). Those of us who publish using Finale usually have deep enough pockets to afford Acrobat and several of the third-party plugins that help us circumvent this *and other* problems in Finale. But no one, including us, should have to spend that money as long as the program continues to include the feature. It should function properly, and it *never* has, under *any* OS, to my knowledge. Sibelius can get it right. **Why can't Finale?** These ain't hard questions, Ellard. (ten points to whomever can name the play that comes from. 20 if you know the author, too!) Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) www.harrockhall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Dear folks, I'm using FinMac 2005a. The EPS files it generates seem to work the same as they did in older versions. When I insert them in a Word file, the screen image isn't wonderful, but the print-out is fine. When I make a PDF file from the Word file, the screen image is improved, and the print-out is fine. I will be using this method for the 2005 update of my tutorials. Hal Richard Yates écrit: I hope that everyone will, one more time, write to MakeMusic. I also hope everyone will write to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and tell them how unprofessional indeed it is to have a feature in Finale that's been broken for so many years now that no even remembers when it used to work. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Well, for me they work with music fonts, but for some reason my prefered text font, NewCenturySchoolbook doesn't work properly. If I place such an EPS in a Finale file, anything in NCS prints as Courier. This did work in Fin2k3 (all Mac). Johannes Harold Owen wrote: Dear folks, I'm using FinMac 2005a. The EPS files it generates seem to work the same as they did in older versions. When I insert them in a Word file, the screen image isn't wonderful, but the print-out is fine. When I make a PDF file from the Word file, the screen image is improved, and the print-out is fine. I will be using this method for the 2005 update of my tutorials. Hal Richard Yates écrit: I hope that everyone will, one more time, write to MakeMusic. I also hope everyone will write to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and tell them how unprofessional indeed it is to have a feature in Finale that's been broken for so many years now that no even remembers when it used to work. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Wednesday, November 17, 2004, at 02:31 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Well, for me they work with music fonts, but for some reason my prefered text font, NewCenturySchoolbook doesn't work properly. If I place such an EPS in a Finale file, anything in NCS prints as Courier. This did work in Fin2k3 (all Mac). Johannes Apparently, there are font issues in OSX that I don't understand. Before in OS9 all my non-Postscript fonts had to be downloaded to my laser printer in order for them to print properly if they were in an EPS file (thanks to Andrew Stiller for the tip). Now they work fine in OSX, but some others don't work. I don't get it. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Wednesday, November 17, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Cecil Rigby wrote: It didn't work in Win98 *for me.* I've been struggling with this problem since day one on *every* OS, including four Mac versions, since version 2 of Finale (yep, I still have all my disks and manuals to prove it!). EPS worked fine for me in FinMac2002 and 2003, in system 9. It works after a fashion in 2005 in OSX as well, it's just that the previews are such low quality as to be illegible, but they print OK. These ain't hard questions, Ellard. (ten points to whomever can name the play that comes from. 20 if you know the author, too!) Is it the Redwall series by Brian Jacques?Those are books, though, I don't know if they are plays, too. Or The Foreigner by Larry Shue? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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don't you get the font warning when exporting eps ? To my knowledge it doesn't work as it did in the older versions and the font warning is incredibly counter productive. Éric Le 04-11-17, à 13:41, Harold Owen a écrit : Dear folks, I'm using FinMac 2005a. The EPS files it generates seem to work the same as they did in older versions. When I insert them in a Word file, the screen image isn't wonderful, but the print-out is fine. When I make a PDF file from the Word file, the screen image is improved, and the print-out is fine. I will be using this method for the 2005 update of my tutorials. Hal ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hello MakeMusic, Thank you for the reply. I sent you copies of several posts from the Finale list because I have heard that your attention to issues is based in part on the volume of requests. I fear that, after so many years, many people have just stopped asking (much as the unemployment rate does reflect those that have given up looking for work). And so, I will continue to keep you 'officially' notified of this discussion by copying the posts. In the past, when I have made attempts at workarounds to the PostScript problem, there has occasionally been failure to even acknowledge that there is a problem or, at best, a naiveté and ignorance about it. I hope to show that the problem is real, continuing, affecting power users who are your best advertisers for the product, and frankly an embarrassment to your otherwise excellent application. Richard Yates - Original Message - From: WinSupport [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Richard Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:02 AM Subject: RE: [Finale] Back to EPS Hello, Thank you for all of the emails on this topic. I will forward this on to the development team as a request that EPS be fixed as soon as possible. Phil Technical Support Representative MakeMusic!, Inc. Coda Music Technologies Please include all previous correspondence relating to this issue in your reply. Did we answer your question? Click here to comment on the quality of our Technical Support: http://www.finalemusic.com/support/comments.asp?tech=Phil -Original Message- From: Richard Yates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:11 AM To: WinSupport Subject: Fw: [Finale] Back to EPS - Original Message - From: d. collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Back to EPS Richard Yates écrit: I hope that everyone will, one more time, write to MakeMusic. I also hope everyone will write to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and tell them how unprofessional indeed it is to have a feature in Finale that's been broken for so many years now that no even remembers when it used to work. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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d. collins wrote: So my question is: has anyone been able to create usable EPS files _with embedded fonts_ using Finale 2004 under Win98? If so, I'd appreciate being told what printer driver exactly you use. I use Ghostscript / Ghostview, and see that there is the capability to write to a postscript printer file, and create an eps from that, but I've not had the occasion to try it. ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 09:04 AM 11/16/2004, d. collins wrote: Well, what I'm really interested in is the possibility of exporting EPS files with embedded fonts, and not making PDFs or other files and then converting them (the reason being I have over 300 to do). Just FYI, if you were to print to PDF, Acrobat can do a batch conversion of a bunch of PDFs to EPS all in one pass. I would imagine that Ghostscript could do this as well, but I'm not sure. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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So my question is: has anyone been able to create usable EPS files _with embedded fonts_ using Finale 2004 under Win98? If so, I'd appreciate being told what printer driver exactly you use. I use Ghostscript / Ghostview, and see that there is the capability to write to a postscript printer file, and create an eps from that, but I've not had the occasion to try it. Today I tried Finale -- Distiller -- GhostView -- Export eps. It didn't work for me. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 09:49 AM 11/16/2004, d. collins wrote: But all these examples are of a different size. When I print to Acrobat, they all end up the same size. Is there any way to get PDFs of the right size (i.e. the page size of each Finale file)? If I understand you correctly, what you should keep in mind is that Acrobat Distiller looks like a printer driver to the system, and you need to take the same precautions as if you were printing to a physical printer. This means that you have to make sure that your printer paper size is set the same as your Finale page size. After you select Distiller as your printer, make sure that that printer is correctly set up with the size paper you want. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Amen! I had it working some years ago, some Finale versions and maybe Windows versions earlier. Each time Coda brings out a new version of Finale, I hope that they would have it fixed... I really think it is more than unprofessional to promise and include such a function when it does not work! I'd like to be able again to select the graphics tool, select the music I want to export and import it to any other programs. I have bought PS printers for more than ten years to be able just to do that. I don't like Sibelius that much. But I must say it's easy there. Select the bars you want to export as EPS, and that's it... And it WORKS... I've been a Finale user for about 15 years now... Please make it happen again. I don't really want to switch to Sibelius... I got a great many new functions that I don't need and don't use. Why not, Coda, why not? Finale is great - EPS is not working - not professional Kurt At 17:23 16.11.2004, you wrote: Aaron Sherber écrit: If I understand you correctly, what you should keep in mind is that Acrobat Distiller looks like a printer driver to the system, and you need to take the same precautions as if you were printing to a physical printer. This means that you have to make sure that your printer paper size is set the same as your Finale page size. This is precisely the reason why I want to avoid printing to Distiller and want to export the EPS files directly from Finale (since Finale offers this feature). I don't want to use paper, not even virtual paper, because all my Finale files are of a different size. I want EPS files the same size as my Finale files, and not the same size as the paper in my printer. I have 300 files and I don't want to change the paper size of my Distiller printer for each file. I'm amazed that such an important feature has been broken for so long and that no one seems to mind. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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When selecting an appropriate PS printer driver oneusually *still* has to set its output page sizes, so this is really notthe solution, either, he's looking for. Finale indeed seems to be more interested (as said by some in earlier posts not on this topic) in bells and whistles rather than in the correct functioning of this and other importantfeatures of the program (rudimentary ones, in my opinion). I've decided to stay withFinWin2003 until some *real* advances are made in the program. I know it means I have to continue nudging those*^%$! tuplet numbers, and have only one format option for extracting score pictures, and cuss a storm when I have large text blocks with various formatting to produce, and have to tweak color separations with addons to Acrobat, etc., etc... In the meantime I'm making a few dollars here and there doing conversions like the ones Collins wants, but I'd be pleased to lose that income as a tradeoff for regaining so much wasted time manipulating things. Cecil Rigby[EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal)www.harrockhall.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Noel Stoutenburg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Back to EPS Regarding my suggestion to use Ghostscript / Ghostview to create EPS files from Finale, Richard Yates wrote, in part: Today I tried Finale -- Distiller -- GhostView -- Export eps.but I would note that what I had in mind was installing the driver of a postscript printer (e.g., HP 5100M, or Xerox 4525), setting said driver to print to file, and creating the eps from the resulting ~.ps file.ns___Finale mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I'm amazed that such an important feature has been broken for so long and that no one seems to mind. I mind a lot, have tried every solution offered, wrote to MakeMusic, and am now forced to send files to a publisher as 600 dpi TIFs! It is just ridiculous. I hope that everyone will, one more time, write to MakeMusic. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
