Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries
Thank you for the input. Most people didn't seem to understand the question, I don't think. Here's another question... I am going to get GPO, I think. But will loading that remover the 'Garritan for Finale' library? I ask because I probably will do some wind band stuff, and I can't afford the Concert band library for a while just yet, and the GPO does not include saxophones. Or euphoniums for that matter, although they can pretend to be trombones! Having asked this, I realise that I am not at all sure if the freeby library includes saxes either! Phil. At 12:45 PM 2/20/2013, you wrote: Hi, Phil... The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different. If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO. It consists of traditional orchestra sections and solo instruments, so you can set up a total virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc. It's more usable with Finale in terms of What you write is what you hear. IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords, preset moods, etc, and takes more work to use with Finale if you want the score to match the sound. It is really designed for quick-sketching a movie scene or some programmatic music. I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series. If you are doing traditional orchestral music or chamber ensembles, then Finale + GPO is the way to go. The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small sampling of sounds from the jazz collection, the orchestra collection, and the wind band set, etc. GPO is a full orchestra and then some--section strings, solo strings, brass, woodwinds, percussion, keyboards, etc. Also of interest, depending on what type of music you do, would be the jazz band set and the concert marching band set. Jim Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos. On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I have been looking at the orchestral sound libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit more infor before plonking down that kind of money... Can anyone tell me what the difference is between Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra. I cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of orchestral sounds, so what is the deal? Is one significantly better than the other? Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale? Thanks in advance... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Outside of a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside of a dog its too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries
The Garritan for Finale library does contain saxes, and no, installing GPO will not erase anything. You'll then have your choice of which library to draw from for each individual instrument in your score. On Feb 22, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Phil Buglass wrote: Thank you for the input. Most people didn't seem to understand the question, I don't think. Here's another question... I am going to get GPO, I think. But will loading that remover the 'Garritan for Finale' library? I ask because I probably will do some wind band stuff, and I can't afford the Concert band library for a while just yet, and the GPO does not include saxophones. Or euphoniums for that matter, although they can pretend to be trombones! Having asked this, I realise that I am not at all sure if the freeby library includes saxes either! Phil. At 12:45 PM 2/20/2013, you wrote: Hi, Phil... The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different. If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO. It consists of traditional orchestra sections and solo instruments, so you can set up a total virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc. It's more usable with Finale in terms of What you write is what you hear. IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords, preset moods, etc, and takes more work to use with Finale if you want the score to match the sound. It is really designed for quick-sketching a movie scene or some programmatic music. I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series. If you are doing traditional orchestral music or chamber ensembles, then Finale + GPO is the way to go. The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small sampling of sounds from the jazz collection, the orchestra collection, and the wind band set, etc. GPO is a full orchestra and then some--section strings, solo strings, brass, woodwinds, percussion, keyboards, etc. Also of interest, depending on what type of music you do, would be the jazz band set and the concert marching band set. Jim Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos. On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I have been looking at the orchestral sound libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit more infor before plonking down that kind of money... Can anyone tell me what the difference is between Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra. I cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of orchestral sounds, so what is the deal? Is one significantly better than the other? Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale? Thanks in advance... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.” Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Lon Price lonpr...@txstnr.com http://www.txstnr.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries
Thanks, that will keep me going till the funds allow the next step! Phil. At 08:14 PM 2/22/2013, you wrote: The Garritan for Finale library does contain saxes, and no, installing GPO will not erase anything. You'll then have your choice of which library to draw from for each individual instrument in your score. On Feb 22, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Phil Buglass wrote: Thank you for the input. Most people didn't seem to understand the question, I don't think. Here's another question... I am going to get GPO, I think. But will loading that remover the 'Garritan for Finale' library? I ask because I probably will do some wind band stuff, and I can't afford the Concert band library for a while just yet, and the GPO does not include saxophones. Or euphoniums for that matter, although they can pretend to be trombones! Having asked this, I realise that I am not at all sure if the freeby library includes saxes either! Phil. At 12:45 PM 2/20/2013, you wrote: Hi, Phil... The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different. If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO. It consists of traditional orchestra sections and solo instruments, so you can set up a total virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc. It's more usable with Finale in terms of What you write is what you hear. IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords, preset moods, etc, and takes more work to use with Finale if you want the score to match the sound. It is really designed for quick-sketching a movie scene or some programmatic music. I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series. If you are doing traditional orchestral music or chamber ensembles, then Finale + GPO is the way to go. The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small sampling of sounds from the jazz collection, the orchestra collection, and the wind band set, etc. GPO is a full orchestra and then some--section strings, solo strings, brass, woodwinds, percussion, keyboards, etc. Also of interest, depending on what type of music you do, would be the jazz band set and the concert marching band set. Jim Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos. On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I have been looking at the orchestral sound libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit more infor before plonking down that kind of money... Can anyone tell me what the difference is between Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra. I cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of orchestral sounds, so what is the deal? Is one significantly better than the other? Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale? Thanks in advance... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Outside of a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside of a dog its too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Lon Price lonpr...@txstnr.com http://www.txstnr.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Outside of a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside of a dog its too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Garritan sound libraries
I have been looking at the orchestral sound libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit more infor before plonking down that kind of money... Can anyone tell me what the difference is between Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra. I cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of orchestral sounds, so what is the deal? Is one significantly better than the other? Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale? Thanks in advance... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside of a dog its too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries
Hi, Phil... The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different. If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO. It consists of traditional orchestra sections and solo instruments, so you can set up a total virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc. It's more usable with Finale in terms of What you write is what you hear. IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords, preset moods, etc, and takes more work to use with Finale if you want the score to match the sound. It is really designed for quick-sketching a movie scene or some programmatic music. I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series. If you are doing traditional orchestral music or chamber ensembles, then Finale + GPO is the way to go. The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small sampling of sounds from the jazz collection, the orchestra collection, and the wind band set, etc. GPO is a full orchestra and then some--section strings, solo strings, brass, woodwinds, percussion, keyboards, etc. Also of interest, depending on what type of music you do, would be the jazz band set and the concert marching band set. Jim Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos. On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I have been looking at the orchestral sound libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit more infor before plonking down that kind of money... Can anyone tell me what the difference is between Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra. I cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of orchestral sounds, so what is the deal? Is one significantly better than the other? Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale? Thanks in advance... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
A-NO-NE Music wrote: Kim Patrick Clow / 2006/12/11 / 08:19 PM wrote: Could you fathom a guess then what type of computer set-ups are being used to generate the full symphonic demos I have heard on Garritan's webpage? My hunch is that the people that are creating these files have some really big systems I guess I can toss the notion that my laptop is going to recreate the Ancient Academy of Music or St Martin in the Fields ;) My orchestra demo here: http://a-no-ne.com/music/music/ was done by G5 Dual 2.5Hz/3.5GB RAM. Can anyone answer the question then about how Garritan can claim that you can load a full orchestra with only 1GB of ram? That certainly sounds like a downright lie based on all the experiences mentioned here. Or is the Garritan concept of a full orchestra one with strings only? Or was it possibly on a computer where the only things loaded were the OS and GPO? I am sick of software marketers lying about the technical specs required for their software in order to get customers. Or is it in the finer details where the Garritan web-site says that you need 1GB to load a full orchestra, but it really doesn't make a claim that you can actually play any music with that loaded. Either way, based on these real world experiences, that claim is certainly false and should be changed to be more realistic. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Daniel Wolf wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Could you fathom a guess then what type of computer set-ups are being used to generate the full symphonic demos I have heard on Garritan's webpage? There are two issues here, using Garritan samples in a live player (i.e. while working in Finale), and using them to generate a sound file. The first usage is RAM intensive, and even with a gb of RAM you are going to be limited to 6-8 instruments at once. The second usage, in which the rendering is not done in real time and can take samples from the harddisk as well as from the RAM should be able to handle orchestral textures without a problem (aside from phasing unison samples, which can be tweaked with small time, pitch, or spatial adjustments). In any case, this is not a Garritan problem, this is a problem with sound samples. To get adequate quality, samples have to be large, and to play them in realtime, they have to sit in RAM. Well it is a Garritan problem when their web-site claims that you only need 1GB of ram, when in reality to actually USE the samples it's obvious that far more than that is required. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
At 08:43 AM 12/12/06 +0100, Daniel Wolf wrote: In any case, this is not a Garritan problem, this is a problem with sound samples. To get adequate quality, samples have to be large, and to play them in realtime, they have to sit in RAM. Doesn't it depend on the implementation? I have used large arrangements (more than 32 tracks) with dozens of massive soundfonts and patch changes (including a 500MB piano font for a Yamaha grand) running with 512MB RAM and a 1.6GHz processor (AMD, not Intel). Fast disks can load/unload or stream these large samples in real time; I use 7200RPM disks with very low access times. The only slowdown is processor demand for effects. The CPU can't keep up with those. (But I also understand disk streaming of samples from disk is patented by the Gigasampler folks.) What is different about the Garritan arrangement that it can't load/unload? Are the samples that large? Or don't they use (or not license) disk streaming? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Streaming is discouraged due to the CPU load it causes. From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz Sent: Tue 12-Dec-06 12:37 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale? At 08:43 AM 12/12/06 +0100, Daniel Wolf wrote: In any case, this is not a Garritan problem, this is a problem with sound samples. To get adequate quality, samples have to be large, and to play them in realtime, they have to sit in RAM. Doesn't it depend on the implementation? I have used large arrangements (more than 32 tracks) with dozens of massive soundfonts and patch changes (including a 500MB piano font for a Yamaha grand) running with 512MB RAM and a 1.6GHz processor (AMD, not Intel). Fast disks can load/unload or stream these large samples in real time; I use 7200RPM disks with very low access times. The only slowdown is processor demand for effects. The CPU can't keep up with those. (But I also understand disk streaming of samples from disk is patented by the Gigasampler folks.) What is different about the Garritan arrangement that it can't load/unload? Are the samples that large? Or don't they use (or not license) disk streaming? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Actually, the Garritan samples are much smaller than the instruments in most sampled libraries. They compensate for the small sample size by using sophisticated programming. The library was designed from the ground up to be loaded into RAM. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 12 Dec 2006, at 12:37 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: What is different about the Garritan arrangement that it can't load/ unload? Are the samples that large? Or don't they use (or not license) disk streaming? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I have a good laptop with a gig of RAM and it's a recent vintage, so the CPU can handle what Garritan requires. I'm sorry to disillusion you, but 1GB RAM with any speed processor will NOT give you the ability to do full orchestral mockups. It will give you about 5 or 6 tracks with Keyswitching (others might get more), but not the whole enchilada. GPO and Finale GPO load the samples into RAM and 1 GB can get used up very quickly. Kontakt 2 (not Kontakt Player 2) can play samples from the disk, but with a lot of voices or polyphony, that often yields poor results. Is anyone on this list doing full orchestral mockups using only GPO? And if so, what kind of computer and technical specs do you have? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
I have two computers to do it. I run Kontkat on my PC (2.3 Gigahertz), and run some instruments on my Dual 1.8 Ghz G4. I can do about 8 or so complex GPO sounds on the PC. Depends on the patch. On the Mac, I generally can get a full saxophone section using Garritan Jazz. Generally though, I have to record about 3 audio tracks to get a full mockup rendered. Randolph Peters wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I have a good laptop with a gig of RAM and it's a recent vintage, so the CPU can handle what Garritan requires. I'm sorry to disillusion you, but 1GB RAM with any speed processor will NOT give you the ability to do full orchestral mockups. It will give you about 5 or 6 tracks with Keyswitching (others might get more), but not the whole enchilada. GPO and Finale GPO load the samples into RAM and 1 GB can get used up very quickly. Kontakt 2 (not Kontakt Player 2) can play samples from the disk, but with a lot of voices or polyphony, that often yields poor results. Is anyone on this list doing full orchestral mockups using only GPO? And if so, what kind of computer and technical specs do you have? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
- To play an entire orchestra, we recommend 1 GB of RAM. This is a direct copy-and-paste quote from the Garritan web site. Don't you just love it when a manufacturer gives specs on their web-site which just don't work out in real life. Or maybe they know something we don't? David H. Bailey Randolph Peters wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I have a good laptop with a gig of RAM and it's a recent vintage, so the CPU can handle what Garritan requires. I'm sorry to disillusion you, but 1GB RAM with any speed processor will NOT give you the ability to do full orchestral mockups. It will give you about 5 or 6 tracks with Keyswitching (others might get more), but not the whole enchilada. GPO and Finale GPO load the samples into RAM and 1 GB can get used up very quickly. Kontakt 2 (not Kontakt Player 2) can play samples from the disk, but with a lot of voices or polyphony, that often yields poor results. Is anyone on this list doing full orchestral mockups using only GPO? And if so, what kind of computer and technical specs do you have? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Yes, traditional orch, wind ensemble, and jazz band--all Garritan. Actually, Jazz Band eats the most RAM because of the programming. A full jazz band with the non-lite versions of inst. eats a goodly chunk of my 2 gB and, with reverb, maxes my processor . Wind ens. has 2fl/picc, 2ob, Eb cl., 6Bb cl., BsCl, 2 Bsns, AATBBs Sax (JABB bass sax is cool), 4 hrns, 4tpt, 3trb, 2 euph (using horns), 2 tubas, percussion. I combine GPO, Finale GPO, and JABB 2gB RAM, Centrino @ 2 gHz, Echo Indigo Sound Card, ASIO4ALL. NOTE TO KIM: GPO instruments will be bland unexpressive out of the box. Human Playback will help to a large extent. If you decide to get GPO, read Darcy's tutorial for GPO and Finale. There is a currently GROUP BUY for GPO at garritan.com GPO is selling for a measly $139, I think. Even at the full price, it's a great value. Wind ensemble demos at http://www.esnips.com/doc/4e925e9d-a874-4f6d-9342-a036dac131de and http://www.esnips.com/doc/3f011827-45bc-43ea-aa59-49fd36c64fae ...first 2 movements of Holst 2nd Suite in F. Jim From: Randolph Peters Sent: Mon 11-Dec-06 19:24 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale? Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I have a good laptop with a gig of RAM and it's a recent vintage, so the CPU can handle what Garritan requires. I'm sorry to disillusion you, but 1GB RAM with any speed processor will NOT give you the ability to do full orchestral mockups. It will give you about 5 or 6 tracks with Keyswitching (others might get more), but not the whole enchilada. GPO and Finale GPO load the samples into RAM and 1 GB can get used up very quickly. Kontakt 2 (not Kontakt Player 2) can play samples from the disk, but with a lot of voices or polyphony, that often yields poor results. Is anyone on this list doing full orchestral mockups using only GPO? And if so, what kind of computer and technical specs do you have? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
On 12/11/06, Williams, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, traditional orch, wind ensemble, and jazz band--all Garritan. Actually, Jazz NOTE TO KIM: GPO instruments will be bland unexpressive out of the box. Human Playback will help to a large extent. If you decide to get GPO, read Darcy's tutorial for GPO and Finale. Could you fathom a guess then what type of computer set-ups are being used to generate the full symphonic demos I have heard on Garritan's webpage? My hunch is that the people that are creating these files have some really big systems I guess I can toss the notion that my laptop is going to recreate the Ancient Academy of Music or St Martin in the Fields ;) Thanks much! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Kim Patrick Clow / 2006/12/11 / 08:19 PM wrote: Could you fathom a guess then what type of computer set-ups are being used to generate the full symphonic demos I have heard on Garritan's webpage? My hunch is that the people that are creating these files have some really big systems I guess I can toss the notion that my laptop is going to recreate the Ancient Academy of Music or St Martin in the Fields ;) My orchestra demo here: http://a-no-ne.com/music/music/ was done by G5 Dual 2.5Hz/3.5GB RAM. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan Sound Libraries and Finale?
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Could you fathom a guess then what type of computer set-ups are being used to generate the full symphonic demos I have heard on Garritan's webpage? There are two issues here, using Garritan samples in a live player (i.e. while working in Finale), and using them to generate a sound file. The first usage is RAM intensive, and even with a gb of RAM you are going to be limited to 6-8 instruments at once. The second usage, in which the rendering is not done in real time and can take samples from the harddisk as well as from the RAM should be able to handle orchestral textures without a problem (aside from phasing unison samples, which can be tweaked with small time, pitch, or spatial adjustments). In any case, this is not a Garritan problem, this is a problem with sound samples. To get adequate quality, samples have to be large, and to play them in realtime, they have to sit in RAM. DJW ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
