Re: Tech support was Re: [Finale] Using plugins with parts
Never ask more than one question: apparently they stop after the first one. You have to open another inquiry to get any more answers after the first one. The tech people do NOT get the info that you so painstakingly filled in at the start of the procedure: apparently this info is for statistics only, so you have to tell them what platform, computer, system, Finale version, etc., all over again in your question. This is just nuts. Christopher On Aug 14, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Don Hart wrote: Recently I got through to tech support and received their initial reply relatively easily. I'm pretty sure I replied with an additional question (I could be mistaken) but never heard anymore from them. Looking up the case archive, it ends with their first reply. Anyway, my question to you, and anyone else who has experienced the problems you're describing is where does the process actually break down? Is the initial contact easy, like in my experience, and the real, nitty- gritty answers hard to come by? Or have you found the whole process difficult, from start to finish? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Using plugins with parts
Aaron Sherber wrote: I think the TGTools part extraction plugin will cause problems because it usually results in adding staves, and adding staves from within a part is a bad thing for Fin07. I'm also not sure how JW Space Systems will work (haven't tried it). JW Space Systems works great on parts. You must have the latest version of PDKTools or it will crash Finale (at least on Macs). You can get PDKTools at the TGTools site. You can set up TGTools part extraction not to add staves. This you should do. I don't understand the need to run it in part view. It is perfectly possible to run it in the full score by selecting only the staves you are interested in. I find this to be a much preferable procedure. (I'm always finished with TGTools Smart Explosion before ever I extract any parts, even in pre-Fin07.) -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Using plugins with parts
Andrew Stiller wrote: If I start from score view will I be able to shift into an individual part and use a) JW Space Systems, b)TGTools/Spacing/Measure Widths, c)Patterson/Tie Mover, d) TGTools/Parts/Intelligent Extraction of Parts? Yes to all. However, only the latest version of Patterson Tie Mover is modal. Earlier versions will not allow you to shift. (I changed my plugins to be modeless because of the new limitation in Finale.) If not, am I correct in understanding that the old part-extraction paradigm is still functional, so I could go that way and use any plugin I like? Yes (essentially). Also, it is quite easy to switch back and forth between score & part view, so switching back to score view to run a plugin is not necessarily too painful, depending on what you are doing. (Some situations are more painful than others.) -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Using plugins with parts
At 03:01 PM 8/14/2006, Andrew Stiller wrote: >I confess I don't understand what "modal" is, A modal window is one which must be closed before you can use the rest of the program. For example, the Document Options window is modal -- while it is open, you can't do anything else with Finale. Same with most of the built-in Finale plugins. The opposite of this is a modeless window, which can sit open on screel while you do other things. FinaleScript is modeless, as is the Edit System Margins dialog. >I start from score view will I be able to shift into an individual >part and use a) JW Space Systems, b)TGTools/Spacing/Measure Widths, >c)Patterson/Tie Mover, d) TGTools/Parts/Intelligent Extraction of >Parts? Yes to all of these. At least, all are modeless windows and will stay open when you shift to a part. I think the TGTools part extraction plugin will cause problems because it usually results in adding staves, and adding staves from within a part is a bad thing for Fin07. I'm also not sure how JW Space Systems will work (haven't tried it). >If not, am I correct in understanding that the old part-extraction >paradigm is still functional, so I could go that way and use any plugin >I like? This is also true. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Using plugins with parts
On Aug 14, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Tyler Turner wrote: While obviously not ideal from a user's perspective, blocking plug-ins from being run while in a linked part is a fairly effective means of protecting the majority of users. None of the included Finale plug-ins that would have been likely to catch unsuspecting users are modal. I confess I don't understand what "modal" is, so let me be specific: If I start from score view will I be able to shift into an individual part and use a) JW Space Systems, b)TGTools/Spacing/Measure Widths, c)Patterson/Tie Mover, d) TGTools/Parts/Intelligent Extraction of Parts? If not, am I correct in understanding that the old part-extraction paradigm is still functional, so I could go that way and use any plugin I like? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Tech support was Re: [Finale] Using plugins with parts
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Contact the techsupport people at makemusic's > web-site, but be > > forewarned that they designed it so as to > discourage any but the most > > irate and determined customers from actually > completing the process. > > Unless they have revamped it recently, that is. > Actually they've designed it so that they don't get completely ridiculous amounts of spam. It was getting worse by the day when I left support 3 years ago. I'd easily spend 30 minutes or more in the morning just going through and deleting spam e-mails, e-mails with virus attachments, etc. As I understand it, the problem had become exponentially worse. The new system is nice in that it actually assigns case numbers and gets people to include useful information which results in more productive support. It also ensures that the people who are paying for products are getting first priority - something that was never possible to achieve with the old e-mail system. You spend a little extra time filling out your support request, but you get your answers faster in return. Tyler __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Tech support was Re: [Finale] Using plugins with parts
Recently I got through to tech support and received their initial reply relatively easily. I'm pretty sure I replied with an additional question (I could be mistaken) but never heard anymore from them. Looking up the case archive, it ends with their first reply. Anyway, my question to you, and anyone else who has experienced the problems you're describing is where does the process actually break down? Is the initial contact easy, like in my experience, and the real, nitty-gritty answers hard to come by? Or have you found the whole process difficult, from start to finish? Thanks, Don Hart on 8/14/06 10:02 AM, dhbailey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Contact the techsupport people at makemusic's web-site, but be > forewarned that they designed it so as to discourage any but the most > irate and determined customers from actually completing the process. > Unless they have revamped it recently, that is. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Using plugins with parts
Tyler Turner wrote: While obviously not ideal from a user's perspective, blocking plug-ins from being run while in a linked part is a fairly effective means of protecting the majority of users. Perhaps it is fairly effective for the majority of users. I doubt if it will be very effective for the majority of those users who use plugins. I can count on one hand the number of plugins that add staves, including one of mine. It is the simplest change in the world to modify those plugins to hit the "Score" menu item to force the file into score view before executing. I submit that this would have been no more difficult to implement and far more effective at preventing the problem. (And since I could do it, it obviously didn't require any PDK changes.) The current implementation is an annoying barrier yet utterly ineffectual at preventing the problem. I hope MM gets trounced for it. As far as I can tell, they consulted no one outside the company before making this fool's choice. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Using plugins with parts
--- dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr > The fact that the plug-ins are grayed out in parts > mode was discussed on > this list this past week. Nobody on the list knows > whether it's a bug > or a feature, but we're hoping that Finale will fix > things in the > interim release they always bring out (some years > sooner than others). It was definitely intentional, and the reasoning was because the ability for plug-ins to add staves to linked parts could cause data corruption. If you add a staff to a linked part, you'll see that the staff doesn't exist in the score. It doesn't even show up in all of the same places as normal staves in the Manage Parts dialog. Originally they intended to disable only the plug-ins that could add staves, but it turned out to not be technically possible for them to do this. I'll be surprised if we don't see more work done in this area in a 2007 update. While obviously not ideal from a user's perspective, blocking plug-ins from being run while in a linked part is a fairly effective means of protecting the majority of users. None of the included Finale plug-ins that would have been likely to catch unsuspecting users are modal. FinaleScript is the only included plug-in that can do this, and I'm guessing the number of users that are using FinaleScript to run an Add Staff command can probably be counted on one hand. And even if a few people figure out that they can sneak a staff in by starting in score view, starting FinaleScript, switching to a part and using an Add Staff script, as far as I can tell it's not going to be a definite disaster for their file (I had experimented with using added staves to create some interesting workarounds). -Tyler __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Using plugins with parts
Paul Copeland wrote: G’day everyone. I have just installed Finale 2007. I have Windows XP Home edition. When I create parts and then go to plugins for a part, none of the plugins are highlighted. How can I get the plugins to work with parts? The fact that the plug-ins are grayed out in parts mode was discussed on this list this past week. Nobody on the list knows whether it's a bug or a feature, but we're hoping that Finale will fix things in the interim release they always bring out (some years sooner than others). Some modeless plug-ins (I guess those are the ones which remain visible on screen even when not in use?) apparently will work on the parts, but you have to start them in score view. Contact the techsupport people at makemusic's web-site, but be forewarned that they designed it so as to discourage any but the most irate and determined customers from actually completing the process. Unless they have revamped it recently, that is. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Using plugins with parts
G’day everyone. I have just installed Finale 2007. I have Windows XP Home edition. When I create parts and then go to plugins for a part, none of the plugins are highlighted. How can I get the plugins to work with parts? Many thanks for your help. Paul Copeland http://members.sibeliusmusic.com/pianoedition www.mp3.com.au/paulcopeland www.geocities.com/Vienna/1153 http://www.lulu.com/pianoedition ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
