Re: [Finale] up grade advice
Andrew Stiller wrote: Press three keys to toggle scroll/page view? Give me a break! don't blame Panther for decisions which MM made. What else? Johannes MM wouldn't have made the decision if there hadn't been an OS change. My whole point is that the decisions made by MM in trying to accomodate their app to OSX resulted in a weaker program. What else? Try this: I update any file (thousands of them!) created in OS9 or earlier, and irretrievably lose all the Page Setup data associated with that file. Yes, I know why this happens; no, I do not accept that the info could not, nevertheless, be conserved. And I especially do not accept that the relevant algorithm is not intelligent enough to automatically insert the name of my printer in place of the generic any printer setting. (This is necessary because with any printer the printing margin is set at 1/2, thereby cutting off all my page numbers and half my staff names.) -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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The way I get by is I press cmd-opt with my thumb and hit the accent key with my index finger, making it very similar to the 2k3 way of doing things. If you have a suggestion for a better keystroke, send it in. On 1/31/05 1:55 PM, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Andrew Stiller wrote: Among the adverse effects is that on Finale: The program has actually gotten worse since 2K2 (wh. was the finest iteration of the program in its history), and almost all the deficiencies are due to the requirements of OSX. Press three keys to toggle scroll/page view? Give me a break! That's definitely got nothing to do with Panther, except that the previously used keystroke for this (which I have forgotten) was one which is used in all applications in OS X for the same action (I think this was the reason). Why MM decided to use such an bad keyboard command (it's worse on my keyboard: 4 keys needed, command-option-_shift_+accent key!) is a mystery to me, but don't blame Panther for decisions which MM made. What else? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yeah, I really don't have any problem with that keystroke. It needed to be similar to the original shortcut, which was not available because that key combo is reserved by the OS. The good part is that Finale now has a shortcut for cycling through all open windows, which was badly needed. The bad part is you now have to hold down two adjacent modifier keys with your thumb when invoking the new Page View/Scroll View shortcut. It took me maybe half an hour to get used to the new shortcut, and since then I've almost never accidentally cycled windows when I wanted to switch views. If this is really such a big deal, it's trivial to use QuicKeys or iKey to remap this command to something else (including the original cmd-`, if you like). But I find it hard to fault Coda for their default solution. It works fine for me. In the grand scheme of Things That Are Wrong With The OS X Port of Finale (and god knows there's plenty of 'em, still), this seems an odd thing to zero in on. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 01 Feb 2005, at 9:52 AM, Allen Fisher wrote: The way I get by is I press cmd-opt with my thumb and hit the accent key with my index finger, making it very similar to the 2k3 way of doing things. If you have a suggestion for a better keystroke, send it in. On 1/31/05 1:55 PM, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Andrew Stiller wrote: Among the adverse effects is that on Finale: The program has actually gotten worse since 2K2 (wh. was the finest iteration of the program in its history), and almost all the deficiencies are due to the requirements of OSX. Press three keys to toggle scroll/page view? Give me a break! That's definitely got nothing to do with Panther, except that the previously used keystroke for this (which I have forgotten) was one which is used in all applications in OS X for the same action (I think this was the reason). Why MM decided to use such an bad keyboard command (it's worse on my keyboard: 4 keys needed, command-option-_shift_+accent key!) is a mystery to me, but don't blame Panther for decisions which MM made. What else? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I am on a German keyboard, so that won't work. Plus I need the shift key as well. Keyboard shortcut support in FinMac on a German keyboard is actually terrible! I don't have any specific keystroke which I prefer, however, my suggestion is to make Finale's keystrokes completely user-configurable, including, but not limited to Speedy. I really hope to see this in 2k6, but I guess it is probably too late for that now. Johannes Allen Fisher wrote: The way I get by is I press cmd-opt with my thumb and hit the accent key with my index finger, making it very similar to the 2k3 way of doing things. If you have a suggestion for a better keystroke, send it in. -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I quite agree, but more to the point, this has got nothing to do with OS X (other than that OS X has more standardized keyboard shortcuts, which is in fact a very good thing!). Johannes Darcy James Argue wrote: Yeah, I really don't have any problem with that keystroke. It needed to be similar to the original shortcut, which was not available because that key combo is reserved by the OS. The good part is that Finale now has a shortcut for cycling through all open windows, which was badly needed. The bad part is you now have to hold down two adjacent modifier keys with your thumb when invoking the new Page View/Scroll View shortcut. It took me maybe half an hour to get used to the new shortcut, and since then I've almost never accidentally cycled windows when I wanted to switch views. If this is really such a big deal, it's trivial to use QuicKeys or iKey to remap this command to something else (including the original cmd-`, if you like). But I find it hard to fault Coda for their default solution. It works fine for me. In the grand scheme of Things That Are Wrong With The OS X Port of Finale (and god knows there's plenty of 'em, still), this seems an odd thing to zero in on. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 01 Feb 2005, at 9:52 AM, Allen Fisher wrote: The way I get by is I press cmd-opt with my thumb and hit the accent key with my index finger, making it very similar to the 2k3 way of doing things. If you have a suggestion for a better keystroke, send it in. On 1/31/05 1:55 PM, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Andrew Stiller wrote: Among the adverse effects is that on Finale: The program has actually gotten worse since 2K2 (wh. was the finest iteration of the program in its history), and almost all the deficiencies are due to the requirements of OSX. Press three keys to toggle scroll/page view? Give me a break! That's definitely got nothing to do with Panther, except that the previously used keystroke for this (which I have forgotten) was one which is used in all applications in OS X for the same action (I think this was the reason). Why MM decided to use such an bad keyboard command (it's worse on my keyboard: 4 keys needed, command-option-_shift_+accent key!) is a mystery to me, but don't blame Panther for decisions which MM made. What else? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I have used Panther almost since the day it became available--in fact, I deliberately avoided working with OSX at all until it became a mature OS. All my remarks are based on the way my computer behaves in Panther, and regular readers of this list will be aware of some (about 50%) of the severe problems I have encountered in using this supposedly superior system. The only reason I use OSX at all is that the planned obsolescence of both System 9 and the hardware to run it has required me to do so. Pure highway robbery. Among the adverse effects is that on Finale: The program has actually gotten worse since 2K2 (wh. was the finest iteration of the program in its history), and almost all the deficiencies are due to the requirements of OSX. Press three keys to toggle scroll/page view? Give me a break! On Jan 30, 2005, at 1:29 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am really sorry you feel this way. I felt the same the first year that I was using OS X. Personally I think that OS X 10.3 Panther changed this. The reason is that a lot of things that were previously there but difficult to access have now matured, and the system feels very much grown up. Only then was I able to appreciate the enormous technology advance that OS X gives me. Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jan 28, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: you will quickly find that it [OSX] is much better than OS 9 That has most emphatically *not* been my experience. OSX is a fix for something that was not broken, and that has forced all of us to buy thousands of dollars of new software, and waste weeks of time installing and configuring it, simply to continue doing business as usual. If we're lucky. IMO the whole thing is highway robbery, pure and simple. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Andrew Stiller wrote: Among the adverse effects is that on Finale: The program has actually gotten worse since 2K2 (wh. was the finest iteration of the program in its history), and almost all the deficiencies are due to the requirements of OSX. Press three keys to toggle scroll/page view? Give me a break! That's definitely got nothing to do with Panther, except that the previously used keystroke for this (which I have forgotten) was one which is used in all applications in OS X for the same action (I think this was the reason). Why MM decided to use such an bad keyboard command (it's worse on my keyboard: 4 keys needed, command-option-_shift_+accent key!) is a mystery to me, but don't blame Panther for decisions which MM made. What else? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi Len, I've bought a lot of equipment (compared to usual) in recent months, and should probably chime in. Mac or PC? I don't have any substantial experience on a PC but have been happy enough with the macs I've owned to not be overly curious. The apparent need to jump through hoops and tread lightly on the PC to avoid viruses has kept me satisfied with the mac side of things. Last fall I bought a refurbished Power PC G5 1.6 and am very happy with it. It came with the full Apple warranty and I saved a couple hundred bucks or so, which helped pay for the memory I added. More recently I helped a friend buy a refurbished iMac G5 1.8 with a 20 monitor - what a sweet little machine! I was going to buy one of the new iMacs myself except Apple said I wouldn't be able to extend the desktop with a second monitor only mirror it. Anyway, I just wanted to mentione Apple's refurbished deals. If you're interested just go to http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa and do a search for refurbished. All the available product will be shown. Sometimes the selection might not be that great but it doesn't seem to take long for more items to appear, so check back often. Also, you should be aware that product does tend to sell quickly off that page. I don't think anyone has talked about printers yet. A few weeks back I was looking for a new printer that would handle up to ledger size paper and determined (with help from folks on the list) that: 1) Hewlett Packard models with that feature, especially the 5100 models, seem to be the most popular choices (I was also researching the Rico 600n and Darcy Argue's report on his machine swayed me against it). 2) a refurbished printer might not be a bad idea. Karen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) offered this: I haven't shopped around for the 5100 printers but if you are willing to buy used, I can suggest the 5000n (the n is the one with the ethernet card already in it.) The 5000n is a great printer (it is the newer version of the 4MV) The company I am currently working for uses them on the scoring stage. Here is a link below where you can buy a used 5000n. I bought my 4MV from this company 4 years ago and it has worked perfectly. They buy off lease products with low mileage and refurb them. They will give you a 90 day parts and labor guarantee. If you go with this company, make sure that you ask her for a printer with a low page count and don't buy their recharged toner cartridge. It's best to buy factory toner cartridges new in my opinion. http://www.cheaphpprinters.com/item.jhtml?UCIDs=588560%7C1141320PRID=1289165 I actually placed my order for a 5000n from this outfit but cancelled it later that morning. I was calling the place where I've always bought toner cartridges to check on their prices for 5000n cartridges and the salesman there asked me to let him see what printers he had available. Turned out he found me a 5100 with a network card for basically the same money I was going to pay for the 5000n, only it was a newer model, had been leased to one client and serviced by them, and had a low, low page count. I just drove over and picked it up from a company I knew. I'm sure this company (Laser Plus, Nashville, TN) would sell to folks out of town but that would put shipping, which could be significant, back in the equation. It seems like it might be more productive to find a similar deal from a company like this one in your own area. I really apologize to everyone for the length of this, but I have one more suggestion concerning printers handling paper sizes up to legal. For certain models I found considerably better prices at my local Staples store than I did online at sites like Pricegrabber. It's probably at least worth the trip over to the local office supply chain store before you buy online, or, I guess you could check out their websites as well. I hope this helps, and good luck! Don Hart on 1/28/05 12:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always move too slowly when it comes to new tech equipment. I'm on a Mac G3 - OS 9.2 I have OSX. using Fin03. Memory if almost full - and I like what I've heard from 05 play back, at least for my needs. I've ordered Fin 05. Those of you that have made an up grade to a new computer - I can now finally able afford to purchase a new one. To Mac or not to Mac? If so - which G5? Or is a PC a better choice? I haven't followed discussions on this topic - like a lot of composers music sells in spurts. So I thought I was still more than a year or so away from a new computer. Printer suggestions will be welcome also. I have an Epson color 900. Only marginally satisfied with it. Thanks - it great to have so many experts to help us old newbies! Len My web site: www.littlebearmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I am really sorry you feel this way. I felt the same the first year that I was using OS X. Personally I think that OS X 10.3 Panther changed this. The reason is that a lot of things that were previously there but difficult to access have now matured, and the system feels very much grown up. Only then was I able to appreciate the enormous technology advance that OS X gives me. May I ask which version of OS X you are running? Now, whenever I have to use OS 9 (even a classic app) I feel really crippled. Johannes Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jan 28, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: you will quickly find that it [OSX] is much better than OS 9 That has most emphatically *not* been my experience. OSX is a fix for something that was not broken, and that has forced all of us to buy thousands of dollars of new software, and waste weeks of time installing and configuring it, simply to continue doing business as usual. If we're lucky. IMO the whole thing is highway robbery, pure and simple. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I am really sorry you feel this way. I felt the same the first year that I was using OS X. Personally I think that OS X 10.3 Panther changed this. The reason is that a lot of things that were previously there but difficult to access have now matured, and the system feels very much grown up. Only then was I able to appreciate the enormous technology advance that OS X gives me. May I ask which version of OS X you are running? Now, whenever I have to use OS 9 (even a classic app) I feel really crippled. Johannes Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jan 28, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: you will quickly find that it [OSX] is much better than OS 9 That has most emphatically *not* been my experience. OSX is a fix for something that was not broken, and that has forced all of us to buy thousands of dollars of new software, and waste weeks of time installing and configuring it, simply to continue doing business as usual. If we're lucky. IMO the whole thing is highway robbery, pure and simple. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 30 Jan 2005, at 1:35 PM, Don Hart wrote: I was going to buy one of the new iMacs myself except Apple said I wouldn't be able to extend the desktop with a second monitor only mirror it. Hi Don, That's actually easily fixed. The video cards in iMacs and iBooks are perfectly capable of spanning (extended desktop). Apple just disables that feature by default. (It's their irritating] way of differentiating consumer and pro machines.) But it's very easy to re-enable it, just go here and download Screen Spanning Doctor: http://macparts.de/ibook/ - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Stupid question, but ... when one measures a monitor (e.g. 20in), I assume it's diagonally? Dean On Jan 30, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 30 Jan 2005, at 1:35 PM, Don Hart wrote: I was going to buy one of the new iMacs myself except Apple said I wouldn't be able to extend the desktop with a second monitor only mirror it. Hi Don, That's actually easily fixed. The video cards in iMacs and iBooks are perfectly capable of spanning (extended desktop). Apple just disables that feature by default. (It's their irritating] way of differentiating consumer and pro machines.) But it's very easy to re-enable it, just go here and download Screen Spanning Doctor: http://macparts.de/ibook/ - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our childrens curricula. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yes, Always - (to make the number as large as possible, I guess, as well as to establish some consistent standard). Chuck On Jan 30, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Stupid question, but ... when one measures a monitor (e.g. 20in), I assume it's diagonally? Dean On Jan 30, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 30 Jan 2005, at 1:35 PM, Don Hart wrote: I was going to buy one of the new iMacs myself except Apple said I wouldn't be able to extend the desktop with a second monitor only mirror it. Hi Don, That's actually easily fixed. The video cards in iMacs and iBooks are perfectly capable of spanning (extended desktop). Apple just disables that feature by default. (It's their irritating] way of differentiating consumer and pro machines.) But it's very easy to re-enable it, just go here and download Screen Spanning Doctor: http://macparts.de/ibook/ - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our childrens curricula. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Wow! what can I say except greater little machine than I thought and wish I'd known that when I was buying my computer? I'll probably try this out on my friend's iMac. Darcy, how do you manage to keep up with helpful sites like this? MacWorld? VersionTracker? Others like them? I recently subscribed to VersionTracker so I was proud of my self for already owning MemoryCell when you mentioned it the other day. But you always seem to have some helpful direction to point this list towards. Any secrets you'd like to divulge? Thanks, Don Hart on 1/30/05 2:03 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Jan 2005, at 1:35 PM, Don Hart wrote: I was going to buy one of the new iMacs myself except Apple said I wouldn't be able to extend the desktop with a second monitor only mirror it. Hi Don, That's actually easily fixed. The video cards in iMacs and iBooks are perfectly capable of spanning (extended desktop). Apple just disables that feature by default. (It's their irritating] way of differentiating consumer and pro machines.) But it's very easy to re-enable it, just go here and download Screen Spanning Doctor: http://macparts.de/ibook/ - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi Don, It's no big deal -- I usually just throw a quick glance at maccentral.com and xlr8yourmac.com every day. I used to check versiontracker.com and macfixit.com daily as well, but that just got too exhausting. Now I only go there if I'm looking for something specific. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 30 Jan 2005, at 4:08 PM, Don Hart wrote: Wow! what can I say except greater little machine than I thought and wish I'd known that when I was buying my computer? I'll probably try this out on my friend's iMac. Darcy, how do you manage to keep up with helpful sites like this? MacWorld? VersionTracker? Others like them? I recently subscribed to VersionTracker so I was proud of my self for already owning MemoryCell when you mentioned it the other day. But you always seem to have some helpful direction to point this list towards. Any secrets you'd like to divulge? Thanks, Don Hart on 1/30/05 2:03 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Jan 2005, at 1:35 PM, Don Hart wrote: I was going to buy one of the new iMacs myself except Apple said I wouldn't be able to extend the desktop with a second monitor only mirror it. Hi Don, That's actually easily fixed. The video cards in iMacs and iBooks are perfectly capable of spanning (extended desktop). Apple just disables that feature by default. (It's their irritating] way of differentiating consumer and pro machines.) But it's very easy to re-enable it, just go here and download Screen Spanning Doctor: http://macparts.de/ibook/ - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I recently learned that when you are talking about a flat screen monitor (as opposed to CRT) they sometimes measure the size by the horizontal and not the diagonal. So much for standards. -Randolph Peters At 12:14 PM -0800 1/30/05, Chuck Israels wrote: Yes, Always - (to make the number as large as possible, I guess, as well as to establish some consistent standard). Chuck On Jan 30, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Stupid question, but ... when one measures a monitor (e.g. 20in), I assume it's diagonally? Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Jan 28, 2005, at 2:24 PM, Allen Fisher wrote: As far as what Mac to buy, I always tell people to buy the maximum they can afford. I recommend buying the second-most advanced model available. Why? Because the most recent model has just made its immediate predecessor obsolete, and the price of the latter will therefore have been knocked down. You'll end up with a computer that would have cost maybe $1K more 6 months ago, and is just as good now as it was then. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Jan 28, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: you will quickly find that it [OSX] is much better than OS 9 That has most emphatically *not* been my experience. OSX is a fix for something that was not broken, and that has forced all of us to buy thousands of dollars of new software, and waste weeks of time installing and configuring it, simply to continue doing business as usual. If we're lucky. IMO the whole thing is highway robbery, pure and simple. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi Andrew, I'm not sure here if you are referring to buying the second-fastest option in the current generation or PowerMacs, or the fastest model from the previous generation. Recent history suggests that the latter is not always a very good bang-for-the-buck strategy -- for instance, when the PowerMac G5s were first announced, it would have been foolish to buy a dual 1.42 GHz G4 instead of a single 1.8 GHz G5 (the #2 model of G5). Apple updates its PowerMac lineup infrequently -- often 9-12 months go by without an upgrade -- that the previous generation is usually getting pretty long in the tooth by the time the next one is announced. The next generation usually represents a significant leap in bang-for-your-buck compared to the older models. And when the new models *are* released, the price drops are often not as significant as you'd expect. For instance, the previous generation's top-of-the line PowerMac was a dual 2 GHz G5. When the current generation was announced, the close-out price of the _old_ dual 2 GHz G5 didn't drop significantly below the price of the _next-generation_ dual 2 GHz G5 (now the #2 model), even though the next-gen model had better specs. Don't get me wrong -- sometimes, buying previous-gen models when the next-gen machines are announced can get you a good deal. But I wouldn't recommend it as a general strategy, especially when dealing with Apple hardware. You have to evaluate things on a case-by-case basis. (And, of course, check http://dealmac.com/ religiously.) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 29 Jan 2005, at 10:26 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jan 28, 2005, at 2:24 PM, Allen Fisher wrote: As far as what Mac to buy, I always tell people to buy the maximum they can afford. I recommend buying the second-most advanced model available. Why? Because the most recent model has just made its immediate predecessor obsolete, and the price of the latter will therefore have been knocked down. You'll end up with a computer that would have cost maybe $1K more 6 months ago, and is just as good now as it was then. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Chiming in. The new architecture from Apple is always half-baked. Remember Yikes, the pathetic first gen G4, G4 chip on a G3 motherboard? The first gen QS (the cheese grader) had the power supply problem. The first gen G5 had the shielding problem that effect clock source, the crystal for our DAW use. Just like that. I just bought G5 Dual-2.5 a couple days ago after long research. I always buy something I have enough data to be comfortable with. My previous one was G4 Dual-450. I waited long enough to learn dual proc is what DPS developers are coding for. Know what you are buying is most important. This G5, I didn't want surprises, and I decided knowing it's problems. The current G5 has FW bug, mainly caused by AMD chip which Apple has no control over it and AMD has no intention to fix. Since I use FW audio interfaces, I had to go deeper research to make sure this won't cost me. Another issue with current G5 is that it's not fully compatible with FW400 devices since it has only one FW800 bus with FV400 connector. I finally found that having powered FW400 hub will lessen potential problems. Until I found that out, I was skeptical, y'know. Look at the Powerbook side. Pismo was one of the best Powerbook in its history, and that was the last model of Powerbook G3. The best TiBook was 1GHz, which was the last model before AlBook. By the time Powerbook G5 comes out (if it ever does), the last AlBook most likely will be the best Powerbook for a while. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] up grade advice
Len-- I suggest using the platform you're most comfortable with. While I can get along on either platform, most of my software is in Windows, so buying a Mac would have a bunch of added expense for me (I know I could use Virtual PC, but that's unacceptable to me). As far as what Mac to buy, I always tell people to buy the maximum they can afford. Any new computer you buy today will run Finale great compared to your g3. If space is a concern, I'd suggest either a MINI or an iMac. If you want the most horsepower you can get, buy a G5 tower. Hope this helps. Allen On 1/28/05 12:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: I always move too slowly when it comes to new tech equipment. I'm on a Mac G3 - OS 9.2 I have OSX. using Fin03. Memory if almost full - and I like what I've heard from 05 play back, at least for my needs. I've ordered Fin 05. Those of you that have made an up grade to a new computer - I can now finally able afford to purchase a new one. To Mac or not to Mac? If so - which G5? Or is a PC a better choice? I haven't followed discussions on this topic - like a lot of composers music sells in spurts. So I thought I was still more than a year or so away from a new computer. Printer suggestions will be welcome also. I have an Epson color 900. Only marginally satisfied with it. Thanks - it great to have so many experts to help us old newbies! Len My web site: www.littlebearmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
