Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
On 27.12.2005 Chuck Israels wrote: I am working on a document (arranging book) with many Finale eps graphic inserts in MS Word, and they print well when I print the pages on my HP Laserwriter 5000N. (They look lame on screen, but they print fine.) However, when I send the file to others in Word, or convert it to a pdf file, the Finale examples print badly (losing lines, etc.). Am I doing something less than optimally, or is that just the way things are? I'd like to have others see the work (to help edit things and advise me) but, at the moment, I must print hard copies and mail them, and that seems so last century! If you are on a Mac, try this (works for me in some applications, but I don't own Word): Instead of selecting Save PDF or the like in the print dialogue, select a postscript driver and save as PS file. Now open this PS file with Preview, and save it as PDF. The PDF might be larger, but I can get EPS graphics to render correctly (otherwise they only get embedded as pisel graphics). If this is the answer, I suspect there is a problem embedding EPS in PDFs when doing this directly from the print dialogue. One application where this definitely is the solution is Finale itself, if you placed EPS graphics with the graphics tool (which I do for footnotes and the like). I think Apple is to blame here, not Finale. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
This is interesting. Here on Windows I print PDFs using the normal Adobe printer driver, and the EPSs definitely are included as vector and not as pixel graphics. Interesting also that Coda/Makemusic blamed Windows for a long time for EPS not working, and now it seems that Macs have there own troubles... Kurt At 15:20 28.12.2005, you wrote: Instead of selecting Save PDF or the like in the print dialogue, select a postscript driver and save as PS file. Now open this PS file with Preview, and save it as PDF. The PDF might be larger, but I can get EPS graphics to render correctly (otherwise they only get embedded as pisel graphics). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
On 28.12.2005 Kurt Gnos wrote: This is interesting. Here on Windows I print PDFs using the normal Adobe printer driver, and the EPSs definitely are included as vector and not as pixel graphics. That would be exactly the same on the Mac if Adobe Acrobat was used to create the PDF. However, Macs have the built-in capability to produce PDFs, but there are several ways of doing it. The simplest is not always the best. Interesting also that Coda/Makemusic blamed Windows for a long time for EPS not working, and now it seems that Macs have there own troubles... Actually, several problems with EPS files were solved in 2k6x on the Mac platform. For all who worry about the font embedding problem: This is solved in 2k6 if, and only if, you are using OS X 10.4 and up. For me this was the main reason to upgrade. (And if any MacOS X geeks read this, how on earth do you turn off the Spotlight icon in the menu bar, preferably while retaining some search ability? This thing is wasting my menu space!) Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
Johannes Gebauer / 2005/12/28 / 09:20 AM wrote: I think Apple is to blame here, not Finale. Or may be M$ Word? I use EPS export to InDesign (now CS2) a lot for my teaching materials, and it works just fine. In fact, I am working on one right now. Now there is one possibility for common EPS export problem, that is font corruption in your system. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
Chuck, Are you on Mac? I have noticed for the last few versions that EPS inserts created on the Mac DON'T embed fonts, even though I check the box to embed them. This means that they print and display (if you call that display in recent versions) fine on the computer that created them, and on any computer that has installed those exact fonts, but they DON'T print or display correctly on a computer that doesn't have those exact fonts. Font substitution is the most common flaw I see. I have been using at home jef chippewa's JazzCord font that Darcy had him edit, and when I bring those EPS's to my school computer I have the original JazzCord. This means that the Finale files created at home still are fine at school, but the EPS's all have the chord symbols in Courier. Drag. Christopher On Dec 27, 2005, at 12:23 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Well, if this is the answer, I probably have two choices: find a copy of Quark at the university that I can use, or leave things alone and let an editor/layout person worry about this later. I kind of hate to do a halfway job, but I also don't want to have to learn another program. I like to have the graphics and layout look right, but it's the musical information that is going to be my main contribution. I've not done this kind of work before, so this is new territory for me. My Finale examples look OK, so maybe someone else will assemble them into the final document with my eps examples as placeholders. Too many different pieces of software! Thanks, Bill. Chuck On Dec 26, 2005, at 8:39 PM, bill wrote: I use Quark XPress (which is a bit pricy) and eps graphics are wonderful. I often save entire Finale pages as eps docs and they print like lightening. I often use an expamples page and use bits and pieces of it as needed with only one eps page as the source...all beautiful and fast. Quark is incredibly useful for many different things, and rock-solid. I think it's about $700 new, but I wouldn't use anything else. Just my opinion... Bill From: Chuck Israels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:01:07 -0800 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word Hello all, I am working on a document (arranging book) with many Finale eps graphic inserts in MS Word, and they print well when I print the pages on my HP Laserwriter 5000N. (They look lame on screen, but they print fine.) However, when I send the file to others in Word, or convert it to a pdf file, the Finale examples print badly (losing lines, etc.). Am I doing something less than optimally, or is that just the way things are? I'd like to have others see the work (to help edit things and advise me) but, at the moment, I must print hard copies and mail them, and that seems so last century! TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
I prepare books on a Mac, and for years have used PageMaker with embedded Finale eps. PageMaker is OS9 only and since it does exactly what I need, and since one of my main clients uses it exclusively, I'm not spending hundreds of dollars to acquire a OSX alternative. But because of Finale's eps problems (and tab problems) I'm still using Finale 2003 (or even 2001 for a lot of tab), unless I get files sent to me In later formats. I recently discovered that if I don't check font embedding, Finale 2006 eps files won't display properly at all even on my own computer, though Finale 2005 files will. I tried using pdf files instead of eps files - I just finished a project with 28 pages of guitar tab, and the resulting PageMaker file was 33 MB! (Though it looked, and printed fine). When I made a final pdf of the book, that was less than 350K. This will work when I can email out a pdf file, but is hardly feasible when I have to send out the PageMaker doc. Back to Finale 2001... John Roberts On 12/27/05 9:46 AM, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck, Are you on Mac? I have noticed for the last few versions that EPS inserts created on the Mac DON'T embed fonts, even though I check the box to embed them. This means that they print and display (if you call that display in recent versions) fine on the computer that created them, and on any computer that has installed those exact fonts, but they DON'T print or display correctly on a computer that doesn't have those exact fonts. Font substitution is the most common flaw I see. I have been using at home jef chippewa's JazzCord font that Darcy had him edit, and when I bring those EPS's to my school computer I have the original JazzCord. This means that the Finale files created at home still are fine at school, but the EPS's all have the chord symbols in Courier. Drag. Christopher On Dec 27, 2005, at 12:23 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Well, if this is the answer, I probably have two choices: find a copy of Quark at the university that I can use, or leave things alone and let an editor/layout person worry about this later. I kind of hate to do a halfway job, but I also don't want to have to learn another program. I like to have the graphics and layout look right, but it's the musical information that is going to be my main contribution. I've not done this kind of work before, so this is new territory for me. My Finale examples look OK, so maybe someone else will assemble them into the final document with my eps examples as placeholders. Too many different pieces of software! Thanks, Bill. Chuck On Dec 26, 2005, at 8:39 PM, bill wrote: I use Quark XPress (which is a bit pricy) and eps graphics are wonderful. I often save entire Finale pages as eps docs and they print like lightening. I often use an expamples page and use bits and pieces of it as needed with only one eps page as the source...all beautiful and fast. Quark is incredibly useful for many different things, and rock-solid. I think it's about $700 new, but I wouldn't use anything else. Just my opinion... Bill From: Chuck Israels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:01:07 -0800 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word Hello all, I am working on a document (arranging book) with many Finale eps graphic inserts in MS Word, and they print well when I print the pages on my HP Laserwriter 5000N. (They look lame on screen, but they print fine.) However, when I send the file to others in Word, or convert it to a pdf file, the Finale examples print badly (losing lines, etc.). Am I doing something less than optimally, or is that just the way things are? I'd like to have others see the work (to help edit things and advise me) but, at the moment, I must print hard copies and mail them, and that seems so last century! TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
On Dec 27, 2005, at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Chuck, Are you on Mac? Yes, but I doubt that it's only an embedded fonts problem. Staff lines don't show up (for example). Can't let this stop me from working. Chuck I have noticed for the last few versions that EPS inserts created on the Mac DON'T embed fonts, even though I check the box to embed them. This means that they print and display (if you call that display in recent versions) fine on the computer that created them, and on any computer that has installed those exact fonts, but they DON'T print or display correctly on a computer that doesn't have those exact fonts. Font substitution is the most common flaw I see. I have been using at home jef chippewa's JazzCord font that Darcy had him edit, and when I bring those EPS's to my school computer I have the original JazzCord. This means that the Finale files created at home still are fine at school, but the EPS's all have the chord symbols in Courier. Drag. Christopher On Dec 27, 2005, at 12:23 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Well, if this is the answer, I probably have two choices: find a copy of Quark at the university that I can use, or leave things alone and let an editor/layout person worry about this later. I kind of hate to do a halfway job, but I also don't want to have to learn another program. I like to have the graphics and layout look right, but it's the musical information that is going to be my main contribution. I've not done this kind of work before, so this is new territory for me. My Finale examples look OK, so maybe someone else will assemble them into the final document with my eps examples as placeholders. Too many different pieces of software! Thanks, Bill. Chuck On Dec 26, 2005, at 8:39 PM, bill wrote: I use Quark XPress (which is a bit pricy) and eps graphics are wonderful. I often save entire Finale pages as eps docs and they print like lightening. I often use an expamples page and use bits and pieces of it as needed with only one eps page as the source...all beautiful and fast. Quark is incredibly useful for many different things, and rock- solid. I think it's about $700 new, but I wouldn't use anything else. Just my opinion... Bill From: Chuck Israels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:01:07 -0800 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word Hello all, I am working on a document (arranging book) with many Finale eps graphic inserts in MS Word, and they print well when I print the pages on my HP Laserwriter 5000N. (They look lame on screen, but they print fine.) However, when I send the file to others in Word, or convert it to a pdf file, the Finale examples print badly (losing lines, etc.). Am I doing something less than optimally, or is that just the way things are? I'd like to have others see the work (to help edit things and advise me) but, at the moment, I must print hard copies and mail them, and that seems so last century! TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
Hi, Chuck. I can confirm this strange behaviour, it happens also with other programs like Appleworks. Maybe it is a bug... The only solution I can offer is to use TIFF files instead of EPS. 300 dpi will be enough. For preview purposes works perfectly although you will have to prepare EPS files for the final layout of the book (that probably will be made in QuarkXPress or InDesign). [If you already have a lot of EPS files you can convert with the Preview program.] ¡Salud para el 2006! Javier Ruiz, composer in quarantaine. Hello all, I am working on a document (arranging book) with many Finale eps graphic inserts in MS Word, and they print well when I print the pages on my HP Laserwriter 5000N. (They look lame on screen, but they print fine.) However, when I send the file to others in Word, or convert it to a pdf file, the Finale examples print badly (losing lines, etc.). Am I doing something less than optimally, or is that just the way things are? I'd like to have others see the work (to help edit things and advise me) but, at the moment, I must print hard copies and mail them, and that seems so last century! TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
Hi, as a happy Finalle 2006b user on Windows, having waited for EPS 10 years to work again, and they seem to do... I'm doing fine printing PDFs from Word or Quark Xpress. If you need to, you can always tweak Adobe's PDF settings to get better quality (albeit bigger files, too). Are you sure you are losing lines in PDFs. Try and zoom in, and I guess everything should be there, and you may get up to quite the same quality as when printing directly. Since PDFs are kind of PS anyway, Finale EPS files will continue as vector information in PDFs, I guess, and should be scalable without losing quality. I have normal PDF settings, however, and the result is perfect. I just checked, and I can send you my PDF, if you like. cheers Kurt At 05:01 27.12.2005, you wrote: Hello all, I am working on a document (arranging book) with many Finale eps graphic inserts in MS Word, and they print well when I print the pages on my HP Laserwriter 5000N. (They look lame on screen, but they print fine.) However, when I send the file to others in Word, or convert it to a pdf file, the Finale examples print badly (losing lines, etc.). Am I doing something less than optimally, or is that just the way things are? I'd like to have others see the work (to help edit things and advise me) but, at the moment, I must print hard copies and mail them, and that seems so last century! TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
On 27 Dec 2005 at 10:01, Chuck Israels wrote: On Dec 27, 2005, at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Chuck, Are you on Mac? Yes, but I doubt that it's only an embedded fonts problem. Staff lines don't show up (for example). Can't let this stop me from working. The makes me think that perhaps you need to examine some of Word's settings for embedded graphics. I'm on Windows and so I can't give you any advice as to what to look for, but I have found that it's sometimes necessary to make adjustments to the embedded graphic properties. And I'm not using EPS. I use embedded TIFFs in Word, and Word is very good with the staff lines, however, it helps if you start out with post-Finale 2K staff line widths (I think that's the version where Finale's defaults changed; it was the version that introduced the Engraver font), so that there are more pixels to work with in the first place. It's also the case that the grayscale settings and some other embedded graphics settings make a difference as to how things are rendered. Of course, that all my be different with EPS, since EPS is s a different animal than a bitmapped graphic. But I would try searching for any options you have for controlling embedded EPS in Word, and see if there's anything you can tweak. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
I have done a lot of work with Finale as EPS in Word. I find that I can repeat the same steps exactly and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't (in the same Word doc). Although it is an extra step, I found 100% results if I opened the EPS files in Illustrator before dragging into Word. -Carolyn On 12/27/05, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Dec 2005 at 10:01, Chuck Israels wrote: On Dec 27, 2005, at 6:46 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Chuck, Are you on Mac? Yes, but I doubt that it's only an embedded fonts problem. Staff lines don't show up (for example). Can't let this stop me from working. The makes me think that perhaps you need to examine some of Word's settings for embedded graphics. I'm on Windows and so I can't give you any advice as to what to look for, but I have found that it's sometimes necessary to make adjustments to the embedded graphic properties. And I'm not using EPS. I use embedded TIFFs in Word, and Word is very good with the staff lines, however, it helps if you start out with post-Finale 2K staff line widths (I think that's the version where Finale's defaults changed; it was the version that introduced the Engraver font), so that there are more pixels to work with in the first place. It's also the case that the grayscale settings and some other embedded graphics settings make a difference as to how things are rendered. Of course, that all my be different with EPS, since EPS is s a different animal than a bitmapped graphic. But I would try searching for any options you have for controlling embedded EPS in Word, and see if there's anything you can tweak. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
Although it is an extra step, I found 100% results if I opened the EPS files in Illustrator before dragging into Word. I always open EPS files in Illustrator CS and re-save. We've found the files produced are much more compatible. One thing Illustrator does have that Finale doesn't is a really good scriptable export suite. I run my EPS files through Illustrator using an AppleScript adapted from one found in Adobe Illustrator Scripting by Ethan Wilde. You can do a similar thing in Windows using VBScript IIRC. -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
I use Quark XPress (which is a bit pricy) and eps graphics are wonderful. I often save entire Finale pages as eps docs and they print like lightening. I often use an expamples page and use bits and pieces of it as needed with only one eps page as the source...all beautiful and fast. Quark is incredibly useful for many different things, and rock-solid. I think it's about $700 new, but I wouldn't use anything else. Just my opinion... Bill From: Chuck Israels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:01:07 -0800 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word Hello all, I am working on a document (arranging book) with many Finale eps graphic inserts in MS Word, and they print well when I print the pages on my HP Laserwriter 5000N. (They look lame on screen, but they print fine.) However, when I send the file to others in Word, or convert it to a pdf file, the Finale examples print badly (losing lines, etc.). Am I doing something less than optimally, or is that just the way things are? I'd like to have others see the work (to help edit things and advise me) but, at the moment, I must print hard copies and mail them, and that seems so last century! TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word
Well, if this is the answer, I probably have two choices: find a copy of Quark at the university that I can use, or leave things alone and let an editor/layout person worry about this later. I kind of hate to do a halfway job, but I also don't want to have to learn another program. I like to have the graphics and layout look right, but it's the musical information that is going to be my main contribution. I've not done this kind of work before, so this is new territory for me. My Finale examples look OK, so maybe someone else will assemble them into the final document with my eps examples as placeholders. Too many different pieces of software! Thanks, Bill. Chuck On Dec 26, 2005, at 8:39 PM, bill wrote: I use Quark XPress (which is a bit pricy) and eps graphics are wonderful. I often save entire Finale pages as eps docs and they print like lightening. I often use an expamples page and use bits and pieces of it as needed with only one eps page as the source...all beautiful and fast. Quark is incredibly useful for many different things, and rock- solid. I think it's about $700 new, but I wouldn't use anything else. Just my opinion... Bill From: Chuck Israels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:01:07 -0800 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Finale EPS graphics in MS Word Hello all, I am working on a document (arranging book) with many Finale eps graphic inserts in MS Word, and they print well when I print the pages on my HP Laserwriter 5000N. (They look lame on screen, but they print fine.) However, when I send the file to others in Word, or convert it to a pdf file, the Finale examples print badly (losing lines, etc.). Am I doing something less than optimally, or is that just the way things are? I'd like to have others see the work (to help edit things and advise me) but, at the moment, I must print hard copies and mail them, and that seems so last century! TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
