Re: [Finale] measure number question
At 08:31 PM 10/6/2008, Lawrence David Eden wrote: I am doing a transcription that needs a special measure number. The situation is this: I have measure 108 and I need to add measure 108a as a safety vamp during the show. How is this done? I want the measure numbers to begin again at measure 109 You don't say what version of Finale you're using. If you're using Fin2007 or later, select the measure tool and double-click the measure you want to be 108a. Under Options, uncheck Include in Measure Numbering. Now Finale will skip this measure; the one before will be 108, and the one after will be 109. I don't think Finale can actually display a measure number with numbers and letters, like 108a, so you'll probably have to create a measure expression and attach it to that measure. If you're using an earlier version of Finale, you'll need to create a second measure number region. Select the measure tool, and do Measure | Measure Numbers | Edit Regions. You probably only have one region defined. Select it, and set it to include measures 1 through 108. Then click the Add button. Define this second measure to include measures 110 through 999, and set First Measure in Region to 109. You now have 2 measure regions, leaving out the 109th measure. Again, you'll probably need a measure expression to get 108a on that measure. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] measure number question
On Oct 6, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Dear Listers, I am doing a transcription that needs a special measure number. The situation is this: I have measure 108 and I need to add measure 108a as a safety vamp during the show. How is this done? I want the measure numbers to begin again at measure 109 First of all, make sure everything about the measure numbers (size, position) is what you want. Now create two new measure regions. You now have three regions, all with the same attributes. We will edit those. Set the first region to include measures 1 through 108. Set the second to include measures 109 through 109. Set the first measure in region to be 108. You will also type into the suffix box the letter a. Maybe you want to make sure that the Display is set to every 1 measure to force it to appear. The third region will include measures 110 through 999, and the first measure in the region will be 109. Done. In this situation I usually set the program options to display defined measure numbers (so I can keep my place more easily) but in some versions of Finale this causes many strange things to break. I think it's all ok again in 2009. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] measure number question
This is good advice in theory. In reality, it is a bad idea to exclude measures from regions by unchecking that box in the measure attributes - unpredictable things can happen so you really should avoid that. You absolutely can have numbers and letters in a measure region. Follow Aaron's advice for setting up the 2 regions (below). But create a 3rd region for measure 109. Set it for m 109-109, first number in measure is 1, below that is a pop-up menu called Style - choose a,b,c..., now put 108 in the prefix box and measure 109 will be labeled 108a. On Oct 6, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 08:31 PM 10/6/2008, Lawrence David Eden wrote: I am doing a transcription that needs a special measure number. The situation is this: I have measure 108 and I need to add measure 108a as a safety vamp during the show. How is this done? I want the measure numbers to begin again at measure 109 You don't say what version of Finale you're using. If you're using Fin2007 or later, select the measure tool and double-click the measure you want to be 108a. Under Options, uncheck Include in Measure Numbering. Now Finale will skip this measure; the one before will be 108, and the one after will be 109. I don't think Finale can actually display a measure number with numbers and letters, like 108a, so you'll probably have to create a measure expression and attach it to that measure. If you're using an earlier version of Finale, you'll need to create a second measure number region. Select the measure tool, and do Measure | Measure Numbers | Edit Regions. You probably only have one region defined. Select it, and set it to include measures 1 through 108. Then click the Add button. Define this second measure to include measures 110 through 999, and set First Measure in Region to 109. You now have 2 measure regions, leaving out the 109th measure. Again, you'll probably need a measure expression to get 108a on that measure. John Blane Blane Music Preparation 1649 Huntington Ln. Highland Park, IL 60035 847 579-9900 847 579-9903 fax www.BlaneMusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] measure number question
Ah, I missed the Prefix and Suffix boxes, right there in front of my face. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure Number question
On Aug 25, 2005, at 1:04 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On 24/08/05, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like I will be opt-clicking after every double bar in every extracted part. Crap. Couldn't you just set all staves to show measure numbers before you extract parts (in your separate Part Extraction score, if you do it that way)? I STILL will have to double click every double bar on every staff. I am trying to avoid having to do that, but it looks hopeless. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure Number question
Couldn't you just set all staves to show measure numbers before you extract parts (in your separate Part Extraction score, if you do it that way)? I STILL will have to double click every double bar on every staff. I am trying to avoid having to do that, but it looks hopeless. Christopher How about setting Mass Edit to copy only Measure Number Enclosures, copy your top staff onto the other staves and then extract parts? Hans ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure Number question
On Aug 25, 2005, at 8:32 AM, Hans Arktoft wrote: Couldn't you just set all staves to show measure numbers before you extract parts (in your separate Part Extraction score, if you do it that way)? I STILL will have to double click every double bar on every staff. I am trying to avoid having to do that, but it looks hopeless. Christopher How about setting Mass Edit to copy only Measure Number Enclosures, copy your top staff onto the other staves and then extract parts? HA! That works, even WITHOUT any measure numbers being enclosed! (Counterintuitive or what?) Of course, they don't show on the staves in the score where measure numbers are suppressed, but they DO show up on the extracted parts, because of 'always show on top staff!' This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks a bunch. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure Number question
Usually, I put the measure numbers on the first staff (show on Top Staff, so that the numbers appear). Uncheck Measure numbers in the Staff Attribute Dialog Box. Before extracting the parts, I copy ONLY the Measure Number Items) from the first staff to each of the others. (You must copy from the first staff to the second, then you may copy from both these staves to the third and fourth, and so on). I wish someone has a better idea, because I find this too long... but it works. Bernard 2005/8/25, Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 24/08/05, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like I will be opt-clicking after every double bar in every extracted part. Crap.Couldn't you just set all staves to show measure numbers before you extract parts (in your separate Part Extraction score, if you do it that way)?--Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED]my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.comLife would be so much easier if only (3/2)^12=(2/1)^7. ___Finale mailing listFinale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure Number question
Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I STILL will have to double click every double bar on every staff. I am trying to avoid having to do that, but it looks hopeless. It's a bit annoying, but I usually switch to Mass Edit, double-click on the measure so that the measure gets selected for all staves, and then switch to the Measure tool and hit show numbers. Easier than double-clicking on each staff, at least. -- Stephen L. Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG fingerprint: A1BF 5A81 03E7 47CE 71E0 3BD4 8DA6 9268 5BB6 4BBE [Freedom is] a blast of cool wind that burns your face to wake you up. Literally? Yes. -- Urinetown: The Musical ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure Number question
On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Stephen Peters wrote: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I STILL will have to double click every double bar on every staff. I am trying to avoid having to do that, but it looks hopeless. It's a bit annoying, but I usually switch to Mass Edit, double-click on the measure so that the measure gets selected for all staves, and then switch to the Measure tool and hit show numbers. Easier than double-clicking on each staff, at least. Yup, that works too! Two good methods now, whereas yesterday I only had one lousy method. Thanks, guys! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure Number question
At 10:35 PM 08/24/2005, Christopher Smith wrote: I can't believe I am doing this for the first time, but I want measure numbers to appear over the staff at the beginning of each system (no problem so far) AND where I specify, usually at double bars (this is the problem.) For the measure numbers at double bars, it may better to do them as measure-attached expressions, for the reasons you mention. These are much easier to place where you want them and to assign to a staff list for correct score/parts display. If you would rather do them as measure numbers, you can do this very quickly with Robert Patterson's measure number plugin. (You can also use the built-in Finale Easy Measure Numbers plugin, but it doesn't give you nearly as much control.) Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure Number question
Hey Chris, I do this all the time. Measure number tool - edit regions - in the lower left of the dialog box, check Always show on top staff, and it's done. Did I misunderstand something? On Aug 24, 2005, at 7:35 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Greeting general knowledge base, FinMac2005 I can't believe I am doing this for the first time, but I want measure numbers to appear over the staff at the beginning of each system (no problem so far) AND where I specify, usually at double bars (this is the problem.) I can force a measure number to appear at a double bar by opt- clicking the measure, BUT it only appears to apply to THAT staff. I want ALL twenty or so extracted parts to show the measure number at the double bar too. Do I have to go through and opt-click EVERY staff in the score at EVERY double bar? I already tried selecting the whole vertical stack and opt-clicking; it doesn't seem to work. No, that's why you check always show on top staff. That means on the extracted parts too, and it works reliably. This is the way I always do it, so I don't know if I'm missing some issue. Hope this helps. Chuck To make matters worse, not all staves are set to show numbers IN THE SCORE, but the top staff is forced to show numbers, so that they appear on all extracted parts even if the staff is set not to show measure numbers. This means that if I miss the measure by accident, I won't know about it until AFTER I extract the part. What is usually done in this case? Thanks a lot. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure Number question
On Aug 25, 2005, at 12:15 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hey Chris, I do this all the time. Measure number tool - edit regions - in the lower left of the dialog box, check Always show on top staff, and it's done. Did I misunderstand something? This only applies to the ones that show up at the beginnings of systems. The ones at double bars do NOT show up on other staves. On Aug 24, 2005, at 7:35 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Greeting general knowledge base, FinMac2005 I can't believe I am doing this for the first time, but I want measure numbers to appear over the staff at the beginning of each system (no problem so far) AND where I specify, usually at double bars (this is the problem.) I can force a measure number to appear at a double bar by opt-clicking the measure, BUT it only appears to apply to THAT staff. I want ALL twenty or so extracted parts to show the measure number at the double bar too. Do I have to go through and opt-click EVERY staff in the score at EVERY double bar? I already tried selecting the whole vertical stack and opt-clicking; it doesn't seem to work. No, that's why you check always show on top staff. That means on the extracted parts too, and it works reliably. Not for the measure numbers on staves set NOT to show measure numbers. Try this. Create with the Setup Wizard a score with Flute 1 and Flute 2. Enter some notes in measures 1 and 2 of both parts. By default, the staff attributes for Flute 2 are set to NOT show measure numbers. However, if you set the Measure Number region to show only at the beginning of a line and Always show on top staff, then even Flute 2 will show them in the extracted part. BUT, opt-click on measure 2 of the FLute 1 staff, and the measure number will be forced to appear. All well and good. Opt-click on the Flute 2 staff - nothing. And furthermore (I just discovered this one!), if you extract the Flute 2, the measure number will NOT appear in measure 2, though it WILL appear at the beginning of the system. If the above test works for you, let me know so I can figure out what I am doing wrong. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure Number question
On Aug 24, 2005, at 11:27 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 10:35 PM 08/24/2005, Christopher Smith wrote: I can't believe I am doing this for the first time, but I want measure numbers to appear over the staff at the beginning of each system (no problem so far) AND where I specify, usually at double bars (this is the problem.) For the measure numbers at double bars, it may better to do them as measure-attached expressions, for the reasons you mention. These are much easier to place where you want them and to assign to a staff list for correct score/parts display. Hmm, I am expecting to do some extensive edits to this file, including changing the length, which is why I wanted flexible bar numbers instead of measure-attached rehearsal letters, as I usually do. Measure expressions will not change to reflect new measure numbering, unfortunately. If you would rather do them as measure numbers, you can do this very quickly with Robert Patterson's measure number plugin. (You can also use the built-in Finale Easy Measure Numbers plugin, but it doesn't give you nearly as much control.) Hmm again. This is giving me trouble. I can't find a combination of settings in the Patterson plugin that causes the measure numbers to change (reflow) when I delete or add measures at the beginning of the work. The Finale Easy Measure Numbers plugin will create new regions that always start with the same number, which doesn't help me either. Plus, it won't use my chosen font for the numbers, but rather defaults to the font that is set in the Document Options. Thanks for the tips, though. If you have any other suggestions, let me know. It looks like I will be opt-clicking after every double bar in every extracted part. Crap. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure Number question
On 24/08/05, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like I will be opt-clicking after every double bar in every extracted part. Crap. Couldn't you just set all staves to show measure numbers before you extract parts (in your separate Part Extraction score, if you do it that way)? -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Life would be so much easier if only (3/2)^12=(2/1)^7. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
