Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
John Howell wrote: At 4:19 PM -0400 7/7/10, dhbailey wrote: And that also assumes that the string player wouldn't use an electronic tuner to get the A and then tune by ear from there. I never suggested that they use the tuner for all their strings, just that if everybody were using an electronic tuner to get their standard pitch from, tuning would be even quicker in the ensemble. All quite true. But most inexperienced players use it for all 4 strings. John But if we're talking about inexperienced players, they're not going to be tuning perfect 5ths anyway, and most likely won't be playing in tune much of the time, so it's a moot point with them. Even tuning to a tuning fork or an oboe or clarinet won't help inexperienced players. It is to be hoped that inexperienced players are working with teachers who are teaching them how to tune properly and how to make the best use of any tuning device, which would include electronic tuners, and, again one would hope, would teach those inexperienced string players to use the tuning device to get one string in tune and then tune the other strings from that original string. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
--- On Thu, 7/8/10, dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: It is to be hoped that inexperienced players are working with teachers who are teaching them how to tune properly and how to make the best use of any tuning device, which would include electronic tuners, and, again one would hope, would teach those inexperienced string players to use the tuning device to get one string in tune and then tune the other strings from that original string. John's statement about inexperience players surprised me, because using a tuner for all strings would never have occurred to me. I played violin in high school, and we were taught from the beginning to listen to the A, tune that one string, and then tune all the others relative to it. If there was an oboe in the group, we all listened to that. If not, one of the violinists listened to a note (tuner, keyboard, or tuning fork) and then gave the A to everyone else. Sometimes the band students used our room, and one time they left the tuner set to Bb. Some of the string players came in next, and we didn't know that the tuner could actually change notes, because we had only ever used it to listen to the A - I turned it on, we all tuned our instruments a semitone sharp, and started practicing. It didn't bother any of us, but the teacher had perfect pitch and freaked out when she came into the room and heard us. After that, I bought my own tuning fork. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
At 7:18 AM -0400 7/8/10, dhbailey wrote: It is to be hoped that inexperienced players are working with teachers who are teaching them how to tune properly and how to make the best use of any tuning device, which would include electronic tuners, and, again one would hope, would teach those inexperienced string players to use the tuning device to get one string in tune and then tune the other strings from that original string. And on this we can certainly agree! My Dad taught beginning strings classes as well as private lessons, and found the introduction of Thomastik steel strings after WW II to be a godsend because it cut the time he had to spend tuning the class in half or less. But any student who has played for a year should be tuning accurately by ear. You can't learn if you don't DO! Same thing for tape on the fingerboard, possibly a help for a rank beginner, but not needed as soon as the student starts developing decent pitch discrimination and a physical feeling for the finger patterns. These are ALL temporary, and temporarily useful, but if the ear isn't developed intonation will never improve. (And if the ear doesn't improve, the student should switch to piano!!) John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
Ryan wrote: If there's no oboe in the orchestra (pit orchestra), what's the next best choice to tune to? Muted trumpet? Ha. In all seriousness; Clarinet? Flute? According to the League of American Orchestras, The penetrating tone of the oboe is easy for all players to hear, and its ability to sustain pitch is very secure.http://www.americanorchestras.org/utilities/about_the_orchestra.html By those criteria, I should pick the instrument in the group that is easiest to hear and is most stable. Of course, the volunteer community musician playing that instrument has to be capable to sustain the pitch! I doubt there's one clear answer, just wondering what you all do in similar situations. Many amateur bands use clarinet because the principal clarinetist is more capable of sustaining the pitch than the oboist. Seriously, though, why doesn't everybody have their instrument already tuned when they unpack it and start warming up? It's not as though perfectly capable automatic tuners are beyond anybody's financial reach these days. One more thought -- depending on the keyboard you're using, you might need to use that as the standard as it may be higher or lower than the standard pitch and so people should tune to that, so make sure that whomever you select to sound the tuning note for the group to use, have them match their pitch with the keyboard, if one is being used. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
You make good points. After I hit send I remembered that we're using a synth in the group to cover the accordion part. I'll tune to that (not the accordion sound though!) On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:09 AM, dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: Ryan wrote: If there's no oboe in the orchestra (pit orchestra), what's the next best choice to tune to? Muted trumpet? Ha. In all seriousness; Clarinet? Flute? According to the League of American Orchestras, The penetrating tone of the oboe is easy for all players to hear, and its ability to sustain pitch is very secure. http://www.americanorchestras.org/utilities/about_the_orchestra.html By those criteria, I should pick the instrument in the group that is easiest to hear and is most stable. Of course, the volunteer community musician playing that instrument has to be capable to sustain the pitch! I doubt there's one clear answer, just wondering what you all do in similar situations. Many amateur bands use clarinet because the principal clarinetist is more capable of sustaining the pitch than the oboist. Seriously, though, why doesn't everybody have their instrument already tuned when they unpack it and start warming up? It's not as though perfectly capable automatic tuners are beyond anybody's financial reach these days. One more thought -- depending on the keyboard you're using, you might need to use that as the standard as it may be higher or lower than the standard pitch and so people should tune to that, so make sure that whomever you select to sound the tuning note for the group to use, have them match their pitch with the keyboard, if one is being used. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
I concur with David. Clarinet is an excellent choice if the player is good, but keyboard is best if there is one in the orchestra. I use clarinet in my college wind ensemble, unless my oboist is exceptional, because the general level of clarinet tone production and stability is so much better at the college level than it is among oboists at the college level. Christopher On Wed Jul 7, at WednesdayJul 7 1:58 PM, Ryan wrote: If there's no oboe in the orchestra (pit orchestra), what's the next best choice to tune to? Muted trumpet? Ha. In all seriousness; Clarinet? Flute? According to the League of American Orchestras, The penetrating tone of the oboe is easy for all players to hear, and its ability to sustain pitch is very secure.http://www.americanorchestras.org/utilities/ about_the_orchestra.html By those criteria, I should pick the instrument in the group that is easiest to hear and is most stable. Of course, the volunteer community musician playing that instrument has to be capable to sustain the pitch! I doubt there's one clear answer, just wondering what you all do in similar situations. Thanks! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
At 10:58 AM -0700 7/7/10, Ryan wrote: If there's no oboe in the orchestra (pit orchestra), what's the next best choice to tune to? Muted trumpet? Ha. In all seriousness; Clarinet? Flute? According to the League of American Orchestras, The penetrating tone of the oboe is easy for all players to hear, and its ability to sustain pitch is very secure.http://www.americanorchestras.org/utilities/about_the_orchestra.html By those criteria, I should pick the instrument in the group that is easiest to hear and is most stable. Of course, the volunteer community musician playing that instrument has to be capable to sustain the pitch! I doubt there's one clear answer, just wondering what you all do in similar situations. Clarinet. Always, band or orchestra. It doesn't carry or cut through as well as the oboe, so you lose the sound quickly. But the clarinet's concert A is a full, closed-tube note, and therefore about as stable as you can get. The concert Bb is a 7-finger note and almost as stable. Of course it should be checked against a meter, in case the individual instrument isn't right on 440 Hz. Of course oboists pretty much always use a tuning box to check their A. It isn't something that's implanted at birth! But for a pit orchestra I would strongly suggest using the keyboard, since we have to play with it. Not a sax or flute or brass instrument; too easy to vary the pitch. And definitely not muted; it can affect the pitch, and very few players bother to tune their mutes. You're worrying about tone quality. Worry instead about stability. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
At 2:09 PM -0400 7/7/10, dhbailey wrote: Seriously, though, why doesn't everybody have their instrument already tuned when they unpack it and start warming up? It's not as though perfectly capable automatic tuners are beyond anybody's financial reach these days. That's assuming that all the meters are precisely accurate, and I wouldn't count on it. One of the writers on the HarpsichordList wrote the manual for one of the most popular Korg tuners, and he says that the intrinsic variation is greater than what the unaided human ear can hear. Those are NOT laboratory-grade precision electronics! And for string players, tuning to a meter means tuning tempered 5ths, not pure 5ths. Any string player should learn to tune by ear and not rely on an electronic crutch. On viola I do have to tune slightly tempered, or my low C will be too low, but it's by ear and would be much too iffy and inaccurate to do with a meter. Plus which tuning is an active process that never stops, not a passive one that can be done once and then be perfect. At least it is if you're interested in being in tune, and not just matching an equal tempered keyboard. That's why warmup scales are good, and chorales even better because then you are tuning intervals and not unisons. So yes, everybody should be tuning while they're warming up, but to the concentus of what's going on around them, not to some electronic box. And not just on one note, either. The the actual tuning, with warm horns, is quick and easy. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
The IU bands that I played in always tuned to the 1st clarinetist, even when we did have oboes on hand. ajr dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: Ryan wrote: If there's no oboe in the orchestra (pit orchestra), what's the next best choice to tune to? Muted trumpet? Ha. In all seriousness; Clarinet? Flute? According to the League of American Orchestras, The penetrating tone of the oboe is easy for all players to hear, and its ability to sustain pitch is very secure.http://www.americanorchestras.org/utilities/about_the_orchestra.html By those criteria, I should pick the instrument in the group that is easiest to hear and is most stable. Of course, the volunteer community musician playing that instrument has to be capable to sustain the pitch! I doubt there's one clear answer, just wondering what you all do in similar situations. Many amateur bands use clarinet because the principal clarinetist is more capable of sustaining the pitch than the oboist. Seriously, though, why doesn't everybody have their instrument already tuned when they unpack it and start warming up? It's not as though perfectly capable automatic tuners are beyond anybody's financial reach these days. One more thought -- depending on the keyboard you're using, you might need to use that as the standard as it may be higher or lower than the standard pitch and so people should tune to that, so make sure that whomever you select to sound the tuning note for the group to use, have them match their pitch with the keyboard, if one is being used. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
Good thoughts on tuning. I love the contributors to this list. I do want to clarify that I was joking about using the muted trumpet. I was referring to the ubiquitous arranger's technique of cueing the oboe part for muted trumpet. Besides, I doubt the players will arrive early enough to give the tuning note! On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:09 PM, arabus...@austin.rr.com wrote: The IU bands that I played in always tuned to the 1st clarinetist, even when we did have oboes on hand. ajr dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: Ryan wrote: If there's no oboe in the orchestra (pit orchestra), what's the next best choice to tune to? Muted trumpet? Ha. In all seriousness; Clarinet? Flute? According to the League of American Orchestras, The penetrating tone of the oboe is easy for all players to hear, and its ability to sustain pitch is very secure. http://www.americanorchestras.org/utilities/about_the_orchestra.html By those criteria, I should pick the instrument in the group that is easiest to hear and is most stable. Of course, the volunteer community musician playing that instrument has to be capable to sustain the pitch! I doubt there's one clear answer, just wondering what you all do in similar situations. Many amateur bands use clarinet because the principal clarinetist is more capable of sustaining the pitch than the oboist. Seriously, though, why doesn't everybody have their instrument already tuned when they unpack it and start warming up? It's not as though perfectly capable automatic tuners are beyond anybody's financial reach these days. One more thought -- depending on the keyboard you're using, you might need to use that as the standard as it may be higher or lower than the standard pitch and so people should tune to that, so make sure that whomever you select to sound the tuning note for the group to use, have them match their pitch with the keyboard, if one is being used. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
On 7 Jul 2010 at 15:07, John Howell wrote: And for string players, tuning to a meter means tuning tempered 5ths, not pure 5ths. Er, doesn't that depend on what temperament you have your electronic tuner set to? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
Well, in my band transcriptions (available from Lauren Keiser Music) I provided a special OBBLIGATO CLARINET to cover the oboe part if necessary--will blend better with other woodwinds than a muted trumpet, I think. ajr Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote: Good thoughts on tuning. I love the contributors to this list. I do want to clarify that I was joking about using the muted trumpet. I was referring to the ubiquitous arranger's technique of cueing the oboe part for muted trumpet. Besides, I doubt the players will arrive early enough to give the tuning note! On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:09 PM, arabus...@austin.rr.com wrote: The IU bands that I played in always tuned to the 1st clarinetist, even when we did have oboes on hand. ajr dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: Ryan wrote: If there's no oboe in the orchestra (pit orchestra), what's the next best choice to tune to? Muted trumpet? Ha. In all seriousness; Clarinet? Flute? According to the League of American Orchestras, The penetrating tone of the oboe is easy for all players to hear, and its ability to sustain pitch is very secure. http://www.americanorchestras.org/utilities/about_the_orchestra.html By those criteria, I should pick the instrument in the group that is easiest to hear and is most stable. Of course, the volunteer community musician playing that instrument has to be capable to sustain the pitch! I doubt there's one clear answer, just wondering what you all do in similar situations. Many amateur bands use clarinet because the principal clarinetist is more capable of sustaining the pitch than the oboist. Seriously, though, why doesn't everybody have their instrument already tuned when they unpack it and start warming up? It's not as though perfectly capable automatic tuners are beyond anybody's financial reach these days. One more thought -- depending on the keyboard you're using, you might need to use that as the standard as it may be higher or lower than the standard pitch and so people should tune to that, so make sure that whomever you select to sound the tuning note for the group to use, have them match their pitch with the keyboard, if one is being used. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
On Wed Jul 7, at WednesdayJul 7 3:27 PM, Ryan wrote: Good thoughts on tuning. I love the contributors to this list. I do want to clarify that I was joking about using the muted trumpet. I was referring to the ubiquitous arranger's technique of cueing the oboe part for muted trumpet. There is only one orchestrator's joke that I know of. Goes like this. In our band the oboist is always sucking on her reeds obsessively, Every break, or even for a sixteen-bar rest, she is taking it off the instrument and sucking it and examining it, as if it is going to blow up (which maybe it is!) Anyway, one day she is sucking on it and accidentally inhaled it. She turned red and choked, and I dialled 911 and explained quickly, Our oboist just swallowed her reed! What do we do? Without hesitation, the emergency operator knew exactly what to do. Use a muted trumpet. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. I'll be here all week. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
David W. Fenton wrote: On 7 Jul 2010 at 15:07, John Howell wrote: And for string players, tuning to a meter means tuning tempered 5ths, not pure 5ths. Er, doesn't that depend on what temperament you have your electronic tuner set to? And that also assumes that the string player wouldn't use an electronic tuner to get the A and then tune by ear from there. I never suggested that they use the tuner for all their strings, just that if everybody were using an electronic tuner to get their standard pitch from, tuning would be even quicker in the ensemble. Just as using a tuning fork gives a standard A for the string player to tune from, so, too, an electronic tuner can be used to get that A string in tune to a standard pitch and then the player takes it from there by ear, one would hope. No need for tempered fifths at all, unless playing with a tempered keyboard. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
At 4:06 PM -0400 7/7/10, Christopher Smith wrote: On Wed Jul 7, at WednesdayJul 7 3:27 PM, Ryan wrote: Good thoughts on tuning. I love the contributors to this list. I do want to clarify that I was joking about using the muted trumpet. I was referring to the ubiquitous arranger's technique of cueing the oboe part for muted trumpet. There is only one orchestrator's joke that I know of. Goes like this. In our band the oboist is always sucking on her reeds obsessively, Every break, or even for a sixteen-bar rest, she is taking it off the instrument and sucking it and examining it, as if it is going to blow up (which maybe it is!) Anyway, one day she is sucking on it and accidentally inhaled it. She turned red and choked, and I dialled 911 and explained quickly, Our oboist just swallowed her reed! What do we do? Without hesitation, the emergency operator knew exactly what to do. Use a muted trumpet. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. I'll be here all week. My favorite may come from Garrison Keiler. If you screw up, turn around and look at the oboist. Unless you're the oboist. Then take out your reed and look at it. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
At 3:57 PM -0400 7/7/10, David W. Fenton wrote: On 7 Jul 2010 at 15:07, John Howell wrote: And for string players, tuning to a meter means tuning tempered 5ths, not pure 5ths. Er, doesn't that depend on what temperament you have your electronic tuner set to? Unless things have changed drastically (and they might have), the cheaper ones don't offer any temperament choices. And the cheaper ones is what most people buy. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
At 4:19 PM -0400 7/7/10, dhbailey wrote: And that also assumes that the string player wouldn't use an electronic tuner to get the A and then tune by ear from there. I never suggested that they use the tuner for all their strings, just that if everybody were using an electronic tuner to get their standard pitch from, tuning would be even quicker in the ensemble. All quite true. But most inexperienced players use it for all 4 strings. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
Seriously, though, why doesn't everybody have their instrument already tuned when they unpack it and start warming up? It's not as though perfectly capable automatic tuners are beyond anybody's financial reach these days. My horn was tuned at the factory. I shouldn't have to change it now, right? ;) cd -- http://members.cox.net/dershem/index.html http://dershem.livejournal.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
On 7 Jul 2010 at 18:30, John Howell wrote: At 3:57 PM -0400 7/7/10, David W. Fenton wrote: On 7 Jul 2010 at 15:07, John Howell wrote: And for string players, tuning to a meter means tuning tempered 5ths, not pure 5ths. Er, doesn't that depend on what temperament you have your electronic tuner set to? Unless things have changed drastically (and they might have), the cheaper ones don't offer any temperament choices. And the cheaper ones is what most people buy. Well, you mentioned Korg, and I have a Korg that cost only $70 several years ago and it has multiple temperaments. Of course, I actually *need* them and *use* them. I guess my point is that I'd expect this to be something that more and more cheap tuners have (and I consider a $70 tuner to be cheap, given what it does in comparison to, oh, I dunno, 30 years ago). -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
On 7 Jul 2010 at 18:31, John Howell wrote: At 4:19 PM -0400 7/7/10, dhbailey wrote: And that also assumes that the string player wouldn't use an electronic tuner to get the A and then tune by ear from there. I never suggested that they use the tuner for all their strings, just that if everybody were using an electronic tuner to get their standard pitch from, tuning would be even quicker in the ensemble. All quite true. But most inexperienced players use it for all 4 strings. Being a keyboard player, it took me a long time to get good and reliable at tuning (and having that major third between the middle two strings of the gamba is a great thing for making tuning a lot harding than on a violin or cello, for instance). I didn't get *really* reliable until I got my Korg tuner. I would tune without it, then check how well I did. Having learned the mistakes my ear makes, I would then adjust my manual tuning and eventually got to the point where I can tune it without the tuner and get within a couple of cents of perfect. Of course, viols in general lend themselves to equal temperament, which makes the task harder than if you're able to use pure intervals between open strings. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
