Re: I am giving this 24 hours - (Re: [Fink-devel] Is it ok to remove phpmyadmin and pws from the web-module?)
On Dec 9, 2003, at 1:49 AM, D. Höhn wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Darian Lanx wrote: | Hello | | I am a bit on the cleaning trip. | Is the subdirectory pws or phpmyadmin in the web module still in use? | Thank you | | -d | Just a follow up to my own mail. Since no one screamed and shouted at me, I am giving this 24 hours, then I will cvs remove the pws and phpmyadmin folders from teh web-module. There is no use keeping them in there, forcing people to updated them on their cvs up runs when no one actually uses the data stroed in the folders. - -d CVS can't remove directories. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: I am giving this 24 hours - (Re: [Fink-devel] Is it ok to remove phpmyadmin and pws from the web-module?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 D. Höhn wrote: | Darian Lanx wrote: | | | Hello | | | | I am a bit on the cleaning trip. | | Is the subdirectory pws or phpmyadmin in the web module still in use? | | Thank you | | | | -d | | | | Just a follow up to my own mail. Since no one screamed and shouted at | me, I am giving this 24 hours, then I will cvs remove the pws and | phpmyadmin folders from teh web-module. There is no use keeping them in | there, forcing people to updated them on their cvs up runs when no one | actually uses the data stroed in the folders. | | -d Geezes you people are picky ;) I will remove the data contained in teh two mentioned flders so that it does not have to be checked anymore better? ;) see yas - -d -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.3.4 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/1XJYPMoaMn4kKR4RA0XfAKCdFZJtKvcf6/mmDYYRzIqkxLyVPwCffT3r yWXTQacSTNUV8b9hh3n7euY= =wOs5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: I am giving this 24 hours - (Re: [Fink-devel] Is it ok to remove phpmyadmin and pws from the web-module?)
On Dec 8, 2003, at 10:57 PM, D. Höhn wrote: Geezes you people are picky ;) I will remove the data contained in teh two mentioned flders so that it does not have to be checked anymore better? ;) see yas Yes i still use phpmyadmin. Leave them. -Ben --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: dists/10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/web amaya.info,1.1,1.2 amaya.patch,1.1,1.2
On Dec 8, 2003, at 9:45 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: Actually, the maintainer removed them. I'll put them back. No, he didn't remove them, they were added by someone else, and he didn't notice. -Ben --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: I am giving this 24 hours - (Re: [Fink-devel] Is it ok to remove phpmyadmin and pws from the web-module?)
On Dec 8, 2003, at 11:11 PM, Ben Hines wrote: On Dec 8, 2003, at 10:57 PM, D. Höhn wrote: Geezes you people are picky ;) I will remove the data contained in teh two mentioned flders so that it does not have to be checked anymore better? ;) see yas Yes i still use phpmyadmin. Leave them. And i'm not so happy about this '24 hours'' business. Sometimes i am not able to check email for a day. You are not in charge here, buddy. btw if you want to take it out of cvs, but fix the webserver update script so it won't delete phpmyadmin from the site (ie, i can still use it), that's fine. -Ben --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: dists/10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/web amaya.info,1.1,1.2 amaya.patch,1.1,1.2
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Ben Hines wrote: On Dec 8, 2003, at 9:45 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: Actually, the maintainer removed them. I'll put them back. No, he didn't remove them, they were added by someone else, and he didn't notice. What I meant is that he removed them from HIS files. All semantics. That's what I get for trusting other people. -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - [EMAIL PROTECTED] BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Documentation needed
The .info GCC: field does not appear to be documented anywhere. Someone who's got the Official Word on it should probably add it to the Packaging Manual. dan -- Daniel Macks [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] bundle-gnome-1.4-13
Hasani Huey wrote: [] ld: table of contents for archive: /sw/lib/libintl.a is out of date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it) Just do it as it says :-) FAQ#5.10 http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/comp-general.php#toc-out-of-date -- Martin --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Could this be a good addition to the make test ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 In oder to check distfiles mirrors and their usability i was wondering if we should attach a little script which does what is described here: http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/LinuxMag/col53.html [suggested title: ``Checking your website's health, part 1''] In last month's column, I talked about checking one aspect of a website, namely that the internal links all point to other useful pages, and that the external links are still valid. But that's not the only thing that can go wrong with a website. If we're looking at continuous operation of an e-commerce site using the high-availability tricks described elsewhere, we also must ensure that search forms really operate, and that the pages we visit have reasonable content. This is especially true for dynamically-generated web pages, and especially those that generate a ``everything's OK'' 200 status when the content of the page contains a Java traceback from a database connection.. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.3.4 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/1ZI5PMoaMn4kKR4RA49vAKCgrD0QwZi3cr+ewprb+HNsmusIvwCgltj/ cxS7ET/N65XcMxxvD25sg/I= =B/mg -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Hello Fink Project
Alexander, Creation/editing can be preserved as it is, I'm not thinking to touch that at all. In the short term I'll concentrate on input of content; cleanup what's already there and add a special section for beginners to download, install and troubleshoot fink. But at the same time, for the long term, I'm looking at possible changes to the Fink web-site: 1. Color style. 2. Easy navigation for both types of users beginners and expert. 3. Reduce the number of clicks to access important information. A possible style change would be similar to 'netbeans.org' where the news and welcome info is displayed in the middle with simple menu bars on either side directing users to their relevant locations. On Tuesday, December 09, 2003, at 03:42AM, Alexander Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I was thinking more about the end: creation/editing. On Dec 8, 2003, at 12:49 PM, Sao X wrote: Don't worry, if I do, I will make sure it will be easier navigation and reduce the number of clicks for users younger and older ;-) Sao On Tuesday, December 09, 2003, at 00:29AM, Alexander Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad to have you aboard--the more the merrier! You aren't going to change the mechanics too much, are you? I'm getting kind of old to learn new things! --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] fink guile make error
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Beamis wrote: |/sw/lib/libguile.dylib(libguile.12.3.0.dylib-master.o) definition of |_environ |ld: Undefined symbols: |_lt_dlpreload_default It is trying to link against libguile.12.dylib from guile-1.6.x, either remove the guile16-dev package and build again, or try the guile-1.4-17 version in the unstable tree, either of these solutions ought to work, I'd prefer if you tried the latter and reported it as working, then I'll move that unstable package to stable. Thanks, Peter - -- Peter O'Gorman - http://www.pogma.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBP9XPAbiDAg3OZTLPAQJxvAP+LVjI6dfeKp9fTlKsH6Gjqe5Zrj0pd4Jb feVkQSirLzaDeFoiVlj+p7ms70y0yDlSn66yEPFsS8n8oxS0gwvAP+f+tJL5miED kp+p11bvbZShFlIDx0Rk6M7pOZuRzOU8TesWC30jLBIGZ2svoHe2s8Vrb4J5BLns bnqzC1MDax4= =OFLf -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: I am giving this 24 hours - (Re: [Fink-devel] Is it ok to remove phpmyadmin and pws from the web-module?)
I screamed and complained before, and I'll do it again. You can't and shouldn't remove things. -- Dave --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: I am giving this 24 hours - (Re: [Fink-devel] Is it ok to remove phpmyadmin and pws from the web-module?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 David R. Morrison wrote: | I screamed and complained before, and I'll do it again. | I didn't realise that you meant to express your disapproval. You asked me a qustion in the first mail you sent. I apologise for not getting it right :) | You can't and shouldn't remove things. | Why not? If there are no longer needed there is no use keeping them around. Especially in the web-folder for _auxiliary_ tools. Since Ben stated that he still uses phpmyadmin, i am of course not touching. but what about pws? Does anyone use that? Does nayone need it? If there is a no to both questions what does it do in the web-module then? I am going as far as that such useless bits of data should be rm -rf'd from the CVS Repository in SF and maybe copied to a backup. But as I said, I am not touching anything that is in use. - -d -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/1dV2PMoaMn4kKR4RA+6NAJ4nYJRDMcDjnhk/HQrmEjDOcN2IBwCgggqQ pPnOmBo3/DTv/rjDcye7lEA= =tGXm -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Trees not searched in order?
I wanted to roll back from unstable's libxml2 at version 2.6.x, to stable's libxml2 at version 2.5.x so that I can build Perl's XML::LibXML again (which isn't compatible with 2.6.x yet). I thought I could just copy the stable .info file to my local/main area, and since I have local first, it would shadow the ones defined later. Apparently that's not the case. Do I really have to blow away the unstable versions just so that it sees the stable versions? My next rsync update will then re-upgrade me. Ugh. Why isn't the order of Trees important? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] new fink commands
On Dec 9, 2003, at 7:45 AM, D. Höhn wrote: There can be many children but only _one_ parent. Is that correct? netpbm-bin has as parents both netpbm and netpbm10 _ and there may be a couple more such examples. Jean-Francois --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Trees not searched in order?
Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Why isn't the order of Trees important? This has annoyed me, too. I seem to remember someone saying that it is now, since one of the recent shakeups, the *reverse* order of the Trees line that is used. If true, I would consider this a serious bug. -- Martin --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] new fink commands
and what happens in this instance? I never thought of this, I'm gonna test it right now...thanks JF. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 9:13 AM, jfm wrote: netpbm-bin has as parents both netpbm and netpbm10 _ and there may be a couple more such examples. Jean-Francois smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] Trees not searched in order?
it's tree but version is higher, is if there is a newer version in on of the included trees it'll prefer it. plus if you have the old one compiled the deb is still there and it'll pick it. but you can do fink install libxml2-2.5.x-%r and it'll force that one. But you need the revision. and update-all will default to replace it. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 9:03 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I wanted to roll back from unstable's libxml2 at version 2.6.x, to stable's libxml2 at version 2.5.x so that I can build Perl's XML::LibXML again (which isn't compatible with 2.6.x yet). I thought I could just copy the stable .info file to my local/main area, and since I have local first, it would shadow the ones defined later. Apparently that's not the case. Do I really have to blow away the unstable versions just so that it sees the stable versions? My next rsync update will then re-upgrade me. Ugh. Why isn't the order of Trees important? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] new fink commands
seems to only show the first match, that isn't good... Glad you caught this as I'm using this sub in the shlibs code and that could have caused a huge head ache. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 9:13 AM, jfm wrote: On Dec 9, 2003, at 7:45 AM, D. Höhn wrote: There can be many children but only _one_ parent. Is that correct? netpbm-bin has as parents both netpbm and netpbm10 _ and there may be a couple more such examples. Jean-Francois smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] Trees not searched in order?
On Dec 9, 2003, at 5:25 PM, Martin Costabel wrote: Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Why isn't the order of Trees important? This has annoyed me, too. I seem to remember someone saying that it is now, since one of the recent shakeups, Not that recent : the introduction of 'fink index' the *reverse* order of the Trees line that is used. If true, I would consider this a serious bug. It is somewhat less intuitive, yes _ and further was unannounced, and undocumented, while this ordering is really an important config tool for users, and there were several previous msgs on the lists pointing out its use. So the change definitely wasn't done optimally. Jean-Francois --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Mirrors.
Do I have to do anything to get my package to get copied to the mirrors (ocaml)? It builds fine, but you have to explicitly tell it to go to the original source URL. Thanks, Dave --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] release coming
I plan to release a new version of the package manager, fink-0.18.0, in a day or two. If you are aware of any bugs in CVS HEAD, please fix them (or report them) now. If you are planning to add new features to CVS HEAD, please wait until after the release. -- Dave --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Trees not searched in order?
Martin Costabel wrote: Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Why isn't the order of Trees important? This has annoyed me, too. I seem to remember someone saying that it is now, since one of the recent shakeups, the *reverse* order of the Trees line that is used. If true, I would consider this a serious bug. Fink always picks the newest epoch/version/revision tuple regardless of tree order. The only time tree order matters is if you somehow happen to have 2 different versions of the same versioned package in different trees (which shouldn't happen unless you messed with a package and put it in local, in which case you reap what you sow). If you want to install a specific version, you do fink install foo-0.1-1. If you want it to never upgrade you, then your options are to not run unstable, or hack the old package to have a newer epoch and put it in your local tree, but you'll never get upgrades again until things happen to match up epoch-wise. Or don't run update-all if you don't want all packages updated. ;) -- Benjamin Reed a.k.a. Ranger Rick -- http://ranger.befunk.com/ gpg: 6401 D02A A35F 55E9 D7DD 71C5 52EF A366 D3F6 65FE Is freedom really slavery, Mister Reed? Is this bug really a feature, Mister Reed? --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Trees not searched in order?
jfm wrote: It is somewhat less intuitive, yes _ and further was unannounced, and undocumented, while this ordering is really an important config tool for users, and there were several previous msgs on the lists pointing out its use. So the change definitely wasn't done optimally. Undocumented and undefined behavior is not something you go out of your way to announce changes to. ;) There's no reason tree order should matter, highest version always wins. If you're hand-editing packages so that they're not the same between different trees, it's not supported *anyways*. -- Benjamin Reed a.k.a. Ranger Rick -- http://ranger.befunk.com/ gpg: 6401 D02A A35F 55E9 D7DD 71C5 52EF A366 D3F6 65FE Is freedom really slavery, Mister Reed? Is this bug really a feature, Mister Reed? --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] release coming
I think a few features should be held out Dave since we are still discussing on fink splitoffs and fink showparent, I'd leave those out, and there is a bug in the sub get_splitoffs, I hope to have that fixed but still we should leave it out for now since it's not documented. Also could we get more feedback on the changes I made to the dep engine, I'd like to get more ppl using it, since I have no reports or very very little. It scares me, it either just works or not many ppl are using/reporting it. And BuildConflicts isn't documented. fink list -b and fink remove -b is in the fink list --help and fink remove--help but it's not ducomented anywhere else either. That's about all I can think of for now. :) --- Justin F. Hallett Blue Falls Manufacturing Ltd. I.T. Manager/Marketing http://www.goarctic.com Tel: (780) 789-2626 Fax: (780) 789-2624 On 9-Dec-03, at 11:45 AM, David R. Morrison wrote: I plan to release a new version of the package manager, fink-0.18.0, in a day or two. If you are aware of any bugs in CVS HEAD, please fix them (or report them) now. If you are planning to add new features to CVS HEAD, please wait until after the release. -- Dave --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] new fink commands
maybe someone will know this better then me. in get_splitoffs I'm using this $package = Fink::PkgVersion-match_package($name); which will return one match to a pkg name maybe the fault it there since there are two versions of netpbm-bin. or am I wrong, does it return both and I just don't know how to get the info from package at that point? --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 9:36 AM, TheSin wrote: seems to only show the first match, that isn't good... Glad you caught this as I'm using this sub in the shlibs code and that could have caused a huge head ache. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 9:13 AM, jfm wrote: On Dec 9, 2003, at 7:45 AM, D. Höhn wrote: There can be many children but only _one_ parent. Is that correct? netpbm-bin has as parents both netpbm and netpbm10 _ and there may be a couple more such examples. Jean-Francois smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] Trees not searched in order?
Benjamin Reed wrote: Martin Costabel wrote: Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Why isn't the order of Trees important? This has annoyed me, too. I seem to remember someone saying that it is now, since one of the recent shakeups, the *reverse* order of the Trees line that is used. If true, I would consider this a serious bug. Fink always picks the newest epoch/version/revision tuple regardless of tree order. The only time tree order matters is if you somehow happen to have 2 different versions of the same versioned package in different trees (which shouldn't happen unless you messed with a package and put it in local, in which case you reap what you sow). I hadn't read Randal's message completely, sorry. Of course, if you have a higher version-revision anywhere, it will be used. I was talking about the other situation where you just want to try a small modification of the latest version. It used to be possible to copy it into local, modify it there, and have it used by fink automatically. I would not call this messing, but a consistent use of the Trees line. Unfortunately, it doesn't work any more. -- Martin --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Trees not searched in order?
then just add a .1 to the revision that is what i do. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 1:19 PM, Martin Costabel wrote: Benjamin Reed wrote: Martin Costabel wrote: Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Why isn't the order of Trees important? This has annoyed me, too. I seem to remember someone saying that it is now, since one of the recent shakeups, the *reverse* order of the Trees line that is used. If true, I would consider this a serious bug. Fink always picks the newest epoch/version/revision tuple regardless of tree order. The only time tree order matters is if you somehow happen to have 2 different versions of the same versioned package in different trees (which shouldn't happen unless you messed with a package and put it in local, in which case you reap what you sow). I hadn't read Randal's message completely, sorry. Of course, if you have a higher version-revision anywhere, it will be used. I was talking about the other situation where you just want to try a small modification of the latest version. It used to be possible to copy it into local, modify it there, and have it used by fink automatically. I would not call this messing, but a consistent use of the Trees line. Unfortunately, it doesn't work any more. -- Martin --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] Trees not searched in order?
Martin: It will work if you move local/main to be the last item in your Trees line in fink.conf. -- Dave --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] release coming
If I understand your message correctly, you do not believe that we are ready for a release. Please let me know when we are ready. -- Dave TheSin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a few features should be held out Dave since we are still discussing on fink splitoffs and fink showparent, I'd leave those out, and there is a bug in the sub get_splitoffs, I hope to have that fixed but still we should leave it out for now since it's not documented. Also could we get more feedback on the changes I made to the dep engine, I'd like to get more ppl using it, since I have no reports or very very little. It scares me, it either just works or not many ppl are using/reporting it. And BuildConflicts isn't documented. fink list -b and fink remove -b is in the fink list --help and fink remove--help but it's not ducomented anywhere else either. That's about all I can think of for now. :) --- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] new fink commands
I think this is true for at least parent, as I explained before I have many users ask where a pkg is, like in the case of mplayer which depends on libavcodec which is in ffmpeg. Fink will say it can't find the depend on libavcodec, and then ppl don't know where to find this. Now if it's not in there tree this won't help but I figured the PDB might be able to use it at least and other then that it's a good devel tool as would fink locate so you know what file it's reading from, which I wanna add next but i wanna wwait to see if you are gonna add a devel space first. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 1:53 PM, Max Horn wrote: I wonder why you think so? Why would a non-developer need these? All situations I can think off were they might need it are scenarios were they have to fix/workaround bugs. I.e. it's like with tools to repair a car: the average car driver should never have to use them, but some people still want to be able to use them, and sometimes the car is not well built so you prefer learning how to repair it yourself instead of having to pay for the service (i.e. ask on a mailing list) each time. But that's more a sign of a not well made car (i.e. it means there are things in fink which should be improved). It's the cure of the symptom vs. cure of the cause debate. IMHO you shouldn't have to know about splitoffs at all, if you have to, then usually because you need to cure a symptom, but the real fix would be for the fink developers to cure the cause :-) Just to clarify something: When I say I consider these as developer commands, that doesn't mean I want to prevent normal users from using them. Rather it means that the primary audience for them will be fink developers/packagers. Just like Apple's Developer Tools: Everybody can install them, but most non-developers have no reason. Of course there are still some non-developers (e.g. Fink users :-) who may want to install them anyway, which is fine. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] new fink commands
no this isn't true as JFM showed us... [EMAIL PROTECTED] [~]$ fink splitoffs netpbm-bin netpbm10 Information about 1923 packages read in 2 seconds. Information about 27 shared libraries read in 0 seconds. netpbm-bin is a child, it's parent netpbm10 has 2 children: - netpbm10-shlibs - netpbm-bin netpbm10 has 2 children: - netpbm10-shlibs - netpbm-bin so netpbm-bin has two parents and match_package doesn't account for this so neither can get_splitoffs see my other post on this topic. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 1:53 PM, Max Horn wrote: Furthermore naming it this way would indicate two things: There can be many children but only _one_ parent. Is that correct? Yes. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] new fink commands
just noticed i posted the wrong example here it is. netpbm has 2 children: - netpbm-shlibs - netpbm-bin netpbm10 has 2 children: - netpbm10-shlibs - netpbm-bin --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 1:56 PM, TheSin wrote: no this isn't true as JFM showed us... [EMAIL PROTECTED] [~]$ fink splitoffs netpbm-bin netpbm10 Information about 1923 packages read in 2 seconds. Information about 27 shared libraries read in 0 seconds. netpbm-bin is a child, it's parent netpbm10 has 2 children: - netpbm10-shlibs - netpbm-bin netpbm10 has 2 children: - netpbm10-shlibs - netpbm-bin so netpbm-bin has two parents and match_package doesn't account for this so neither can get_splitoffs see my other post on this topic. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 1:53 PM, Max Horn wrote: Furthermore naming it this way would indicate two things: There can be many children but only _one_ parent. Is that correct? Yes. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] new fink commands
I completely agree with this, I don't think two pkgs should have the same pkg in it, could end up with bad problems, specially in the bindist...I suppose this is more of a pkg bug.. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 3:44 PM, Max Horn wrote: Why was this done? Why not netpbm10-bin, which then Provides: netpbm-bin ? PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] new fink commands
fink showparent libavcodec-shlibs would show it's in ffmpeg. then they could copy over that info file. And of course for us with like 100 pkgs well I don't need to explain the devel usage i think. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 3:46 PM, Max Horn wrote: I don't get what you are trying to say. How the heck would fink children or fink showparent be used in this situation?!? PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] new fink commands
I've never looked at the PDB so your right but then it could reuse the sub to get this info. And add a show parent in the PDB for users, but then it could be in the devel module. so how about it? I'm willing to get the module started and move some commands to it, if someone will right the release code to exclude it? I personally like this method fink devel which loads Fink::Devel if present else it errors like it would if the command doesn't exist. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 3:46 PM, Max Horn wrote: The PDB doesn't use *any* fink command line commands. It access the Fink perl code directly. Bad example :-) PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Fink-devel] documentation updates
Folks, we need a few updates in the packaging manual. Section 5.4 on scripts is out of date; could somebody who is familiar with the current script rules please revise it? (just send the text here if you don't know how do the xml edits) Also, I detected some amiguities between Validation.pm and what the manual says, concerning the fields in a SplitOff. It's not so clear which of the initial data fields are actually allowed... it seems that UpdatePOD is missing from Validation.pm in the splitoff section (or if not, that it should be mentioned in the manual that its not allowed)... and the manual says that Essential is not allowed in a splitoff but this is no longer correct. Could someone familiar with the splitoff code take a look at this? Thanks, Dave --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re: fink/perlmod/Fink ChangeLog,1.459,1.460 Validation.pm,1.71,1.72
TheSin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why was buildconflicts removed? --- TS Sorry, that was an accident; looks like I started from an old version of Validation.pm by mistake. Ill fix it. On the other hand, the point of the exercise was to make sure that everything in Validation.pm is in the packaging manual, and vice versa. So where is the documentation for buildconflicts? -- Dave --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re: fink/perlmod/Fink ChangeLog,1.459,1.460 Validation.pm,1.71,1.72
we don't want to docu it yet, it still needs more testing before we want to use it. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 9-Dec-03, at 4:44 PM, David R. Morrison wrote: On the other hand, the point of the exercise was to make sure that everything in Validation.pm is in the packaging manual, and vice versa. So where is the documentation for buildconflicts? PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Fink-devel] Re: fink/perlmod/Fink ChangeLog,1.459,1.460 Validation.pm,1.71,1.72
OK, I corrected my error, restored some accidentally wiped out changes, and in particular put buildconflicts back into Validation.pm. -- Dave --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] new fink commands
TheSin wrote: I completely agree with this, I don't think two pkgs should have the same pkg in it, could end up with bad problems, specially in the bindist...I suppose this is more of a pkg bug.. There are other packages that do this. python has python21, python22, and python23 as parents. IIRC one of the reasons for introducing this was that you could not have versioned dependencies on virtual packages (you can now, can't you?). Another is probably that parts of the shlibs policy are not contradiction-free. It is not clear how to deal with version-dependent files that don't have version-dependent names. As we have seen in the libpng/libpng3 disaster, there is no solution for this problem. -- Martin --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
