Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[Patrick Mc(avery]

On 11-07-07 06:24 PM, SanskritFritz wrote:


On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Patrick Mc(avery 
> wrote:


P.S Still have not heard back from Alex, he is alive making
commits on github


What's his nick on github?


Sorry I screwed up, it's Axel not Alex

Here is the link:
https://github.com/liljencrantz
He goes by his last name lijencrantz

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Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[SanskritFritz]

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Patrick Mc(avery <
patr...@spellingbeewinnars.org> wrote:

> P.S Still have not heard back from Alex, he is alive making commits on
> github
>

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Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[Patrick Mc(avery]

On 11-07-07 05:45 PM, Philip Ganchev wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Patrick Mc(avery
>   wrote:
>
> [...]
>> How about something like this for a description:
>>
>> Fish allows for shell scripting with a modern, intuitive syntax. You can do
>> nearly everything that you can do in a standard POSIX shell with Fish but
>> due to the friendly syntax POSIX shell scripts must be ported to Fish and
>> vice versa.
> [...]
>
> That's nice, though the description should probably mention the other
> strengths of Fish. I think the design document
> (http://fishshell.com/user_doc/design.html ) would help a lot. Also,
> why "do nearly everything", you can do anything? How about something
> like this:
>
> The friendly interactive shell is a command shell designed to be
> simple, powerful, consistent and discoverable. It has syntax
> highlighting, intelligent tab completion, helpful error messages and
> easy history search. .
>
> Regards,
> Philip
>
Hi Philip

Very nice. The last sentence:
"

The syntax is cleaner than POSIX shell syntax and
lets do anything that you can do in POSIX shells"

Does alert people that fish is not a posix shell without saying "can't do". My 
version was a little more explicit but I like yours too. Both of these versions 
are a hell of a lot more positive then what is there now. I also think your 
description is better because it points out more specifics such as tab 
completion.

:) Patrick

P.S Still have not heard back from Alex, he is alive making commits on github




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Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[Philip Ganchev]

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Patrick Mc(avery
 wrote:

[...]
> How about something like this for a description:
>
> Fish allows for shell scripting with a modern, intuitive syntax. You can do
> nearly everything that you can do in a standard POSIX shell with Fish but
> due to the friendly syntax POSIX shell scripts must be ported to Fish and
> vice versa.
[...]

That's nice, though the description should probably mention the other
strengths of Fish. I think the design document
(http://fishshell.com/user_doc/design.html ) would help a lot. Also,
why "do nearly everything", you can do anything? How about something
like this:

The friendly interactive shell is a command shell designed to be
simple, powerful, consistent and discoverable. It has syntax
highlighting, intelligent tab completion, helpful error messages and
easy history search. The syntax is cleaner than POSIX shell syntax and
lets do anything that you can do in POSIX shells.

Regards,
Philip

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Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[Patrick Mc(avery]

We'll then unless anyone has any objections I'll give it a try 
tomorrow-Patrick

On 11-07-06 10:00 PM, i...@whywouldwe.com wrote:
> Hi All
>
> This was discussed on this list about 6
> months ago or longer, that time I don't
> think anyone did get in contact with
> Axel's family.
>
>  How can someone just walk away
>  from>25K lines of terrific code?
>
> Exactly. I also fear something bad
> happened but we should know one way or
> the other.
>
>
>
> On 07/07/2011 07:42, Patrick Mc(avery
> wrote:
>> Hi Gustaf, Hello list.
>>
>> Thanks very much for the vim syntax file. I spent two hours last night
>> trying to make one, it's quite complicated, at least for me.
>>
>> Thanks for the fishystuff link too.
>>
>> I am all set, I am going to start writing my fish scripts now, I hope
>> later when the wiki is up I will have something to contribute, right now
>> I can't think of anything useful I can do in terms of code.
>>
>> The founders email is/was a...@liljencrantz.se. This domain is his
>> families website, they keep photos there and such(sensibly protected
>> with login). There is a contact there, e...@liljencrantz.se, do you
>> think I should ask him what has happened to Axel? It would be nice to
>> bring this mystery to a close, I personally fear something bad may have
>> happened to him. His code is wonderful and was so much work. If I was
>> going to abandon a project I would say goodbye and pass it on to someone
>> else and if I was angry with the community and burning out, I'd tell
>> everybody to go to hell before leaving :) How can someone just walk away
>> from>25K lines of terrific code?
>>
>> Talk soon guys-Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11-07-06 04:31 PM, Gustaf Johansson wrote:
>>> Hi Patrick and list!
>>>
>>> There is already a vim syntax highlighting script present see
>>> https://github.com/vim-scripts/fish.vim i have not used it myself but
>>> looking at it it seems to be correct although somewhat old
>>> (2005/11/08).
>>>
>>> I also find the information for new users somewhat lacking and
>>> problematic in a few areas, i have been on the hunt for a new and
>>> better shell for a few months now and just passed by fish without even
>>> testing it based on info which has proven to be incorrect.
>>> The statements around the web that the project is abandoned when its
>>> not, that it using a bad syntax when in fact its using a nicely
>>> written and very well designed one was some of the reasons i didn't
>>> even try the shell until i got irritated at the complete syntax in
>>> zsh.
>>>
>>> I hope that the "new" site will rectify some of these problems and it
>>> would also be good if the old one could be brought down.
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried to contact Mr Axel?
>>> Or does anyone know why he has abandoned the project?
>>>
>>> One other thing i have been wondering is why the fish completions
>>> posted at the Arch wiki isnt in the main repo?
>>> Those along with the ones present in "private" git repos would just
>>> add to the value of the shell (ex
>>> https://github.com/esodax/fishystuff/ functions and completions).
>>>
>>> Regards Gustaf
>>>
>>> --
>>> All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable.
>>> Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security
>>> threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes
>>> sense of it. IT sense. And common sense.
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>> threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes
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Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[i...@whywouldwe.com]

Hi All

This was discussed on this list about 6 
months ago or longer, that time I don't 
think anyone did get in contact with 
Axel's family.

How can someone just walk away
from>25K lines of terrific code?

Exactly. I also fear something bad 
happened but we should know one way or 
the other.



On 07/07/2011 07:42, Patrick Mc(avery 
wrote:
> Hi Gustaf, Hello list.
>
> Thanks very much for the vim syntax file. I spent two hours last night
> trying to make one, it's quite complicated, at least for me.
>
> Thanks for the fishystuff link too.
>
> I am all set, I am going to start writing my fish scripts now, I hope
> later when the wiki is up I will have something to contribute, right now
> I can't think of anything useful I can do in terms of code.
>
> The founders email is/was a...@liljencrantz.se. This domain is his
> families website, they keep photos there and such(sensibly protected
> with login). There is a contact there, e...@liljencrantz.se, do you
> think I should ask him what has happened to Axel? It would be nice to
> bring this mystery to a close, I personally fear something bad may have
> happened to him. His code is wonderful and was so much work. If I was
> going to abandon a project I would say goodbye and pass it on to someone
> else and if I was angry with the community and burning out, I'd tell
> everybody to go to hell before leaving :) How can someone just walk away
> from>25K lines of terrific code?
>
> Talk soon guys-Patrick
>
>
>
>
> On 11-07-06 04:31 PM, Gustaf Johansson wrote:
>> Hi Patrick and list!
>>
>> There is already a vim syntax highlighting script present see
>> https://github.com/vim-scripts/fish.vim i have not used it myself but
>> looking at it it seems to be correct although somewhat old
>> (2005/11/08).
>>
>> I also find the information for new users somewhat lacking and
>> problematic in a few areas, i have been on the hunt for a new and
>> better shell for a few months now and just passed by fish without even
>> testing it based on info which has proven to be incorrect.
>> The statements around the web that the project is abandoned when its
>> not, that it using a bad syntax when in fact its using a nicely
>> written and very well designed one was some of the reasons i didn't
>> even try the shell until i got irritated at the complete syntax in
>> zsh.
>>
>> I hope that the "new" site will rectify some of these problems and it
>> would also be good if the old one could be brought down.
>>
>> Has anyone tried to contact Mr Axel?
>> Or does anyone know why he has abandoned the project?
>>
>> One other thing i have been wondering is why the fish completions
>> posted at the Arch wiki isnt in the main repo?
>> Those along with the ones present in "private" git repos would just
>> add to the value of the shell (ex
>> https://github.com/esodax/fishystuff/ functions and completions).
>>
>> Regards Gustaf
>>
>> --
>> All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable.
>> Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security
>> threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes
>> sense of it. IT sense. And common sense.
>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2
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>>
>
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> threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes
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Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[Patrick Mc(avery]

Hi Gustaf, Hello list.

Thanks very much for the vim syntax file. I spent two hours last night 
trying to make one, it's quite complicated, at least for me.

Thanks for the fishystuff link too.

I am all set, I am going to start writing my fish scripts now, I hope 
later when the wiki is up I will have something to contribute, right now 
I can't think of anything useful I can do in terms of code.

The founders email is/was a...@liljencrantz.se. This domain is his 
families website, they keep photos there and such(sensibly protected 
with login). There is a contact there, e...@liljencrantz.se, do you 
think I should ask him what has happened to Axel? It would be nice to 
bring this mystery to a close, I personally fear something bad may have 
happened to him. His code is wonderful and was so much work. If I was 
going to abandon a project I would say goodbye and pass it on to someone 
else and if I was angry with the community and burning out, I'd tell 
everybody to go to hell before leaving :) How can someone just walk away 
from >25K lines of terrific code?

Talk soon guys-Patrick




On 11-07-06 04:31 PM, Gustaf Johansson wrote:
> Hi Patrick and list!
>
> There is already a vim syntax highlighting script present see
> https://github.com/vim-scripts/fish.vim i have not used it myself but
> looking at it it seems to be correct although somewhat old
> (2005/11/08).
>
> I also find the information for new users somewhat lacking and
> problematic in a few areas, i have been on the hunt for a new and
> better shell for a few months now and just passed by fish without even
> testing it based on info which has proven to be incorrect.
> The statements around the web that the project is abandoned when its
> not, that it using a bad syntax when in fact its using a nicely
> written and very well designed one was some of the reasons i didn't
> even try the shell until i got irritated at the complete syntax in
> zsh.
>
> I hope that the "new" site will rectify some of these problems and it
> would also be good if the old one could be brought down.
>
> Has anyone tried to contact Mr Axel?
> Or does anyone know why he has abandoned the project?
>
> One other thing i have been wondering is why the fish completions
> posted at the Arch wiki isnt in the main repo?
> Those along with the ones present in "private" git repos would just
> add to the value of the shell (ex
> https://github.com/esodax/fishystuff/ functions and completions).
>
> Regards Gustaf
>
> --
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> Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security
> threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes
> sense of it. IT sense. And common sense.
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Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[Gustaf Johansson]

Hi Patrick and list!

There is already a vim syntax highlighting script present see
https://github.com/vim-scripts/fish.vim i have not used it myself but
looking at it it seems to be correct although somewhat old
(2005/11/08).

I also find the information for new users somewhat lacking and
problematic in a few areas, i have been on the hunt for a new and
better shell for a few months now and just passed by fish without even
testing it based on info which has proven to be incorrect.
The statements around the web that the project is abandoned when its
not, that it using a bad syntax when in fact its using a nicely
written and very well designed one was some of the reasons i didn't
even try the shell until i got irritated at the complete syntax in
zsh.

I hope that the "new" site will rectify some of these problems and it
would also be good if the old one could be brought down.

Has anyone tried to contact Mr Axel?
Or does anyone know why he has abandoned the project?

One other thing i have been wondering is why the fish completions
posted at the Arch wiki isnt in the main repo?
Those along with the ones present in "private" git repos would just
add to the value of the shell (ex
https://github.com/esodax/fishystuff/ functions and completions).

Regards Gustaf

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Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[Patrick Mc(avery]

Hi Philip, Hi List

Thanks for that helpful email!

How about something like this for a description:

Fish allows for shell scripting with a modern, intuitive syntax. You can 
do nearly everything that you can do in a standard POSIX shell with Fish 
but due to the friendly syntax POSIX shell scripts must be ported to 
Fish and vice versa.

I am overloaded with my families needs but I will figure out a syntax 
highlighting file in the next few months. Would vim be best?

I had an offline conversation with another member. It looks like the 
main website domain is going to expire in September. Does anyone have 
any plans to register it and keep the site running? If not I volunteer 
to pay for this.

Thanks again-Patrick

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Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[Terin Stock]

> There used to be a wiki with functions and how-to's but I can't find it 
> anymore.
> 


While we have backups of most of the old website (mirrored at fishshell.com), 
the wiki is one thing we did not get. :(

I'm working, actually, at this moment, on a significant change to the fishshell 
site, to 
bring it back up to speed. I'll be posting more about that later in a new 
thread.

-- 
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Undergraduate, Computer Science (CISE), University of Florida

On Tuesday, July 5, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Philip Ganchev wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> 
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Patrick Mc(avery
> mailto:patr...@spellingbeewinnars.org)> 
> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone
> > 
> > As I was saying I am new to fish but really excited about it. I spent a
> > few hours reading yesterday and I have some thoughts/questions.
> > 
> > First of all looking through the source, this is a lot of work. Is the
> > code base built on another project? It appears that there is about 13K
> > lines of fish sources code alone and even more in C. If I wrote
> > something like this from scratch(and there is no way I could!) I would
> > definitely put a lot of work into marketing it and insuring that it is
> > adopted as widely as possible, it seems to me that many coders are not
> > always good at the latter. I am not a professional coder, I seem to have
> > more difficulty with so much C code and not so much on the promotional end.
> > 
> > This is the statement describing fish in Ubuntu:
> > 
> > """
> > Fish is a shell geared towards interactive use. Its features are focused on
> > user friendliness and discoverability. The language syntax is simple but
> > incompatible with other shell languages.
> > """
> > 
> > I happened on this a few years ago and passed the project over. It sort
> > of came across as "it's fun to use but forget everything you know about
> > bash" I foolishly assumed things like cat, echo ls and so on were
> > missing. While I may be an idiot, I am not alone and people may give up
> > on the project after 3 seconds of contemplation, a better description
> > might really help.
> 
> I agree, it does not sound very positive. Would you care to suggest a
> better description? The Ubuntu package maintainer would change the
> description once we have a better one. I don't know who that is.
> 
> 
> > Another thing that seems strange, the syntax looks amazing but it is
> > billed as mostly for interactive use, why is that? Would it not offer
> > more to those who write shell scripts? is this not were the sensible
> > syntax would be of most benefit?
> 
> Yes, I think the syntax is more convenient for shell scripts too, and
> it should be advertised as such, but we do have to warn that it is
> incompatible with existing Posix shell scripts.
> 
> > The website is nice but the does seem to be a lack of resources. is
> > there a text editor that supports this syntax and if not why not? If not
> > should I try to add this or is this a mute point? Some sample code would
> > be good, I could try to hack some together?
> 
> The Web main site is not very functional (it only shows "It works!"),
> but the gitorious Web site has the current source code
> (http://gitorious.org/fish-shell/). There used to be a wiki with
> functions and how-to's but I can't find it anymore. There is a much
> smaller wiki page at the Arch Linux site:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fish
> 
> There is no text editor highlighting because no-one has made one,
> though it would be useful. Feel free to make one and post it to the
> list. The people who have access to the girorious repository will
> probably include it or give you access. It might be easiest to modify
> the highlighting definitions for Sh or Bash. Major editors, like
> Emacs, Vim and Gedit have one.
> 
> > It looks like there has been some adoption from the Arch Linux people
> > but not much elsewhere, are there troubles as default shell? If so is
> > this hard to circumvent?
> 
> I used Fish as a default shell for a few years, and it worked without
> problems for me. That was about 4 years ago.
> 
> > Thanks for reading, I only code at night but I may have some other
> > perspectives/resources that might contribute something, I hope so, it's
> > seems like a wonderful project-Patrick
> 
> Looking forward to your contributions! Regards,
> Philip
> 
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Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[Philip Ganchev]

Hi Patrick,

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Patrick Mc(avery
 wrote:
> Hi Everyone
>
> As I was saying I am new to fish but really excited about it. I spent a
> few hours reading yesterday and I have some thoughts/questions.
>
> First of all looking through the source, this is a lot of work. Is the
> code base built on another project? It appears that there is about 13K
> lines of fish sources code alone  and even more in C. If I wrote
> something like this from scratch(and there is no way I could!) I would
> definitely put a lot of work into marketing it and insuring that it is
> adopted as widely as possible, it seems to me that many coders are not
> always good at the latter. I am not a professional coder, I seem to have
> more difficulty with so much C  code and not so much on the promotional end.
>
> This is the statement describing fish in Ubuntu:
>
> """
> Fish is a shell geared towards interactive use.  Its features are focused on
> user friendliness and discoverability.  The language syntax is simple but
> incompatible with other shell languages.
> """
>
> I happened on this a few years ago and passed the project over. It sort
> of came across as "it's fun to use but forget everything you know about
> bash" I foolishly assumed things like cat, echo ls and so on were
> missing. While I may be an idiot, I am not alone and people may give up
> on the project after 3 seconds of contemplation, a better description
> might really help.

I agree, it does not sound very positive. Would you care to suggest a
better description? The Ubuntu package maintainer would change the
description once we have a better one. I don't know who that is.


> Another thing that seems strange, the syntax looks amazing but it is
> billed as mostly for interactive use, why is that? Would it not offer
> more to those who write shell scripts? is this not were the sensible
> syntax would be of most benefit?

Yes, I think the syntax is more convenient for shell scripts too, and
it should be advertised as such, but we do have to warn that it is
incompatible with existing Posix shell scripts.

> The website is nice but the does seem to be a lack of resources. is
> there a text editor that supports this syntax and if not why not? If not
> should I try to add this or is this a mute point? Some sample code would
> be good, I could try to hack some together?

The Web main site is not very functional (it only shows "It works!"),
but the gitorious Web site has the current source code
(http://gitorious.org/fish-shell/).  There used to be a wiki with
functions and how-to's but I can't find it anymore. There is a much
smaller wiki page at the Arch Linux site:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fish

There is no text editor highlighting because no-one has made one,
though it would be useful.  Feel free to make one and post it to the
list. The people who have access to the girorious repository will
probably include it or give you access. It might be easiest to modify
the highlighting definitions for Sh or Bash. Major editors, like
Emacs, Vim and Gedit have one.

> It looks like there has been some adoption from the Arch Linux people
> but not much elsewhere, are there troubles as default shell? If so is
> this hard to circumvent?

I used Fish as a default shell for a few years, and it worked without
problems for me. That was about 4 years ago.

> Thanks for reading, I only code at night but I may have some other
> perspectives/resources that might contribute something, I hope so, it's
> seems like a wonderful project-Patrick

Looking forward to your contributions! Regards,
Philip

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Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[Wai Yan Pong]

Hum... I use fish as the login shell on Archlinux. Yes, I had run into
trouble after an update a while ago. But worst come to worst, if you have
root access, you can rectify the problem. Just keep the root login shell as
bash.

Also, I haven't run into any trouble with fish for a while (almost a year).

Pong

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:13 AM, SanskritFritz wrote:

>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Patrick Mc(avery <
> patr...@spellingbeewinnars.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> It looks like there has been some adoption from the Arch Linux people
>> but not much elsewhere, are there troubles as default shell? If so is
>> this hard to circumvent?
>>
>
> I wouldnt recommend using fish as default shell even in Archlinux, although
> it is certainly possible, read here:
>
> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=43684
>
> Comment by 
> esodax
> :
> "*Haven't yet stumbled upon any unexpected login-issues using fish. The
> biggest
> problem is that some commands expect you to be able to source standard
> shell
> scripts or output. e.g from 'dircolors', 'gpg-agent' and others... luckily
> most of them is just to "export =" and can quite easy be
> converted to fish syntax.
>
> You can get to a jump start by browsing through my fish config files
> repo here: https://github.com/esodax/fishystuff
>
> Not much in there really, but feel free to extract what you want, or just
> to
> get an overall idea on how to solve 'source this-and-that' problems you
> might encounter yourself.
> Also, my way might not be the best way, but it works for me at least :)
>
> For example, "include/colors.fish" and "functions/run_gpg-agent.fish"
> resolves
> the problem I mentioned above with dircolors and the gpg-agent.*"
>
> Most linux startup and whatnot scripts are written in bash, and yes there
> is a shebang line most of the times, nevertheless I'd expect some glitches
> when bash is not the default shell. I do use fish in a way that I set it as
> default in tmux and Xterm.
>
>
>
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Re: [Fish-users] Fish Shell adoption / random comments

[SanskritFritz]

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Patrick Mc(avery <
patr...@spellingbeewinnars.org> wrote:

>
> It looks like there has been some adoption from the Arch Linux people
> but not much elsewhere, are there troubles as default shell? If so is
> this hard to circumvent?
>

I wouldnt recommend using fish as default shell even in Archlinux, although
it is certainly possible, read here:

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=43684

Comment by 
esodax
:
"*Haven't yet stumbled upon any unexpected login-issues using fish. The
biggest
problem is that some commands expect you to be able to source standard shell
scripts or output. e.g from 'dircolors', 'gpg-agent' and others... luckily
most of them is just to "export =" and can quite easy be
converted to fish syntax.

You can get to a jump start by browsing through my fish config files
repo here: https://github.com/esodax/fishystuff

Not much in there really, but feel free to extract what you want, or just to
get an overall idea on how to solve 'source this-and-that' problems you
might encounter yourself.
Also, my way might not be the best way, but it works for me at least :)

For example, "include/colors.fish" and "functions/run_gpg-agent.fish"
resolves
the problem I mentioned above with dircolors and the gpg-agent.*"

Most linux startup and whatnot scripts are written in bash, and yes there is
a shebang line most of the times, nevertheless I'd expect some glitches when
bash is not the default shell. I do use fish in a way that I set it as
default in tmux and Xterm.
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