chain over the nose
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From the veterinary standpoint, the chain over the nose is a much better choice than under the chin. Used excessively, either way can hurt the bones of the horse's face, but horses' mandibles have actually been broken by excessive force with the chain under the chin. Brian Jacobsen, DVM Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Round pen work + other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Niki, Thanks for bringing up about running the lunge line thru the bit, up an over the head and back down to the bit. I learned this many years ago, and although it takes a little longer to prepare the horse for a direction change, it works quite well and the horse is much more comfortable. Also, yes, the lunging caveson is a great help for starting a horse. Sometimes they can be found and purchased reasonably at Tack Sales. Also, I use cut up inner tubing for side lines-cheaper than buying! Regards, Bernadine Karns, in frozen Michigan.
Re: Round pen work + other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have found that the lead rope over the nose or the lunge line is sufficient to get their attention and kinder. Jean Gayle P.S. I control my often exuberant Trakehner at 17 2 1/2 hands that way also. I've only read his book, not tapes. What does everyone think about chain over the nose, under the chin, etc., to gain more leverage when lungeing or when they're fresh and you need more control to get from point A to point B??? Susan in balmy MN ( it's 11 degrees today!) Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Re: Round pen work + other stuff
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I lways use the chain OVER the nose with one turn over the halter noseband. If used as recommended in the TTeam method, as a signal, the chain is not severe this way, altho of course it can be. For lunging my youngster my instructor put it not only over the nose over the noseband but back around to istself, so there was no real tightening, just made the noseband feel a bit rougher. Used under the chin, my mare Stella will go up in the air, rearing, as she is vert sensitive under the chin. Also used under the chin makes them throw their head up, nose in the air. I is my opinion that the chain used over the nose ala Linda Tellinton-Jones TTeam method is less severe than using one of those thin rope halters with the hard knots. When lunging with a bit and bridle it is common to run the lunge line through the nearside bit, over the pole and down to the other sideof the bit. Jean in Fairbanks, where it was -7 at MY house this morning while it was -33 downtown! but with a wind! (wind chill = -50) Fairbanksans will call each other and compare temperatures! ( Mines higher than yours, naaa naaa!) Interesting comment on the chain under the chin -- my thoughts were that it would be less severe under the chin than over the nose, but maybe I'm wrong. ** Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
golf?
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Fred and Lois, A nine iron whisks those apples out of the area in no time and you get to practice for free Regards to all, Fred and Lois Pack AHA! Just don't forget to say F (j) or (d)! Sorry...bad pun.couldn't help myself...cabin fever! :o) Ingrid
Re: Round pen work + other stuff
This message is from: Niki May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regarding lungeing: I never lunge my Fjord- she hates it and as I'm usually trying to get her to go faster (she can be pretty lazy!), certainly don't need the extra energy release before I ride. And, I'd rather spend the time riding! But, from riding mostly hunters and jumpers for many years, the tendency is to lunge these Thoroughbred hot type horses often. So I am familiar with it. A few thoughts on how to attach a lunge line to halter/bridle/cavesson... the best way to lunge a horse is with a lungeing caveson if you want to get any serious work done. These look a lot like a halter but have various rings attached to snap the lunge line onto, the rings all being on the top of the muzzle, leading me to believe anything under the nose is not a good idea. I prefer a lunge line without a chain, a plain cotton one- the nylon can really do a number on your hands if the horse gets away from you at all. The chains are usually too long and can swing up and hit the horse in the face or get too loose and move around on their face, becoming an annoyance. If you do lunge your horse with a plain halter or with a bridle on, to make it easier to hop on when you're done, care should be taken to attach the line. It is probably not a good idea to connect the snap directly to the bit ring. Especially with a chain-less line, a more correct way would be to run the line through the bit ring of the side closest to the middle of the circle, and then run the line over the horses head where the crownpiece of the bridle sets (right behind their ears) and snap the line to the bit ring on the opposite side. This makes the pressure more even so you are not constantly pulling on the bit on only one side of the horses mouth, and actually pulling him off the circle and into you which is the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish. If you are using a chain line, I would not put the chain under the nose. I would run it again through the halter ring closest to you and then over the nose, through the ring on the other side and snap it to the ring closer to their ears on the off side. It is also a good idea to put a twist of chain under the halter on the nose, not for leverage but so it won't slip off their nose so easily. Oh- and if you lunge with a bridle and reins- be sure to unbuckle the reins, twist them a bunch of times, stick them through the throatlatch and rebuckle so they are not flapping or shifting around near the ground within breaking distance. This wasn't supposed to be so long!! Hope it helped out some- I may have not been cleaar about some of the descriptions- let me know if some of it doesn't make sense and I'll try to explain better. Happy lunging Niki May
NFA + NFHR
This message is from: Betsy Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello List - I have heard that this merger may take place and I guess it
is going to. However, I haven't received a letter or the Hearld - am I
signed up appropriately?
I'm sure my father would have enough to say that would cover this entire
list (not necessarily all bad) but what is important is that we can work
together offering what works for the fjords in America. Nice work BOD
Mike.
It's really cold here in Central CA, not as bad as Chicago but I have to
remember I moved to CA for sun and warm weather - oh well. Ole and I had a
great ride up the dry river bed this week and he thought he was back in
Illinois - instead of the usual training in the ring with my daughter, and
Hakar {boring.
Happy New Year everyone -
Here's hoping your HAPPY NEW YEAR has a Fjord in it!
Betsy Bauer
http://www.fjordpony.com
Re: Round pen work + other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nancy, Regarding your comment on long lining youngsters. The trainer who taught my daughter to ride when she was about 8 used a longe line every lesson. Only after Whitney felt totally comfortable, months later, did she allow her to ride without. Interesting comment on the chain under the chin -- my thoughts were that it would be less severe under the chin than over the nose, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm not familiar with the TEAM method, but have watched a lot of John Lyons tapes and presentations. Monty Roberts' methods sound similiar to John Lyons, but I've only read his book, not tapes. What does everyone think about chain over the nose, under the chin, etc., to gain more leverage when lungeing or when they're fresh and you need more control to get from point A to point B??? Susan in balmy MN ( it's 11 degrees today!)
Re: Toeing in..
This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are so very welcome. Reena -Original Message- From: jean gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:27 AM Subject: Re: Toeing in.. This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Thank you Reena for the support. Jean Gayle This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is in response to what Jean Ernest wrote: Beauty is as beauty does! So what if he toes in , if he can do what you want and stay sound? I agree with Jean. If the horse has the personality and the temperament you are looking for, then go for it. Those are the two most determing(sp?) factors to me in choosing a horse Reena Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
[no subject]
This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the warning about the penpal virus folks. I like cruising the net, being fairly new to it still, but then, I don't download much, felt even nervous about the NL at first. Hi Nancy, thanks for the tips, those were some good comments about letting the horse find his/her own balance in the round pens. Ours is 60 feet and plenty of room to move. I would also like to have a smaller one for more up front and personal work such as the catch me training like Monty uses, although, I find the 60 works okay. Sometimes I free longe in the pastures too. In combination with the catch me training it's great beacause anytime you want a horse to come to you 'right now' when it doesn't really feel like it you can act as if you are going to start the catch me routine and they beat it over fast. I need everything that can save me work! Glad you brought up the chain thing. I try and avaoid them and really have had super success with the Parelli style halters even with the stallion headed toward a girlfriend. No problem. My only comment to people who buy these halters is NEVER leave them on when the horse is grazing or unattended. Glad you guys can find time to play golf with those manure piles, I find that all they do is scatter all over the place and you still can't really get them up if they fall into a frozen hoof hole. I guess we all need a thaw with a strong chinook to dry things out. I am so fastidious about the manure, but in the winter, you sometimes have to let them lie. Misha
misdirected and erased
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) I quickly erased the notice of a gelding for sale and just received a request from a friend for such a horse. Can someone tell me who just posted a trained gelding? Also I have been answering messages privately and just learned that my email address system out smarted me and sent them all to Carol. At least I am keeping her advised of my activities and I didn't say anthiong bad about her. (g) So if anyone feels I did not answer their questions please let me know. and Mike how do I become a member? Jean Gayle Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Re: Toeing in..
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Thank you Reena for the support. Jean Gayle This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is in response to what Jean Ernest wrote: Beauty is as beauty does! So what if he toes in , if he can do what you want and stay sound? I agree with Jean. If the horse has the personality and the temperament you are looking for, then go for it. Those are the two most determing(sp?) factors to me in choosing a horse Reena Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Cheer up Mary!
This message is from: Philis Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List and Mary Ofjord, Cheer up Mary. I've got what you've got weatherwise since I'm only about six miles away from you. About all I get done is to feed my furry Fjords, make sure the stock tank doesn't freeze again (the heater failed) and I do ask them to do small tricks in the barn, like sidepass, back up, I even ground drive in there to remind them that there is discipline and a superior herd boss in their lives. As soon as it warms to 20F I will harness and drive my team in the woods. (My hands can't take the real cold )That should be in about May or June, and then the black files hatch and make life miserable. It's going to be a cold one again tonight. Like -20F or so. When it hits 0F it feels like a heat wave! Maybe I'll pile the dogs, horses, cats, chickens, geese and bird in a big trailer and go South for a few months. I wish! Philis, from the frozen North
Toeing in..
This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is in response to what Jean Ernest wrote: Beauty is as beauty does! So what if he toes in , if he can do what you want and stay sound? I agree whole heartily My mare was extremely toed out, but she won all kinds of Welsh Pony titles and state championships, so her being off in conformation didn't matter. She had a fantastic temperament and great movement. When she die, she was sound, so her leg conformation really had nothing to do with it. I agree with Jean. If the horse has the personality and the temperament you are looking for, then go for it. Those are the two most determing(sp?) factors to me in choosing a horse Reena
Re: Great escapes and electric fences
This message is from: . [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...when Pepper was tired of doing time in the smaller paddock she managed the great escape Finn, our near 2-year-old Fjord, nearly escaped yesterday by squirting through a gate that had swung open unnoticed behind me. I saw him doing the pointer-dog gaze at something behind me (the swinging gate, that is). I glanced back to see what he was watching, then threw up my hands, one of which had an empty 5 gallon bucket in it, to startle him away from the opening. He shied a little, did an abrupt about-face, and went back to eating. Although I did not touch him with my hands or the bucket, he was very shy of me afterwards, so I got a pocket of treats and did the approach and retreat thing with him, rewarding good behavior with praise and treats, until he settled down and no longer flinched away from me. ...If I take down a temporary fence, I have to lead Nansy thru the virtual fence that remains there in her mind!... The Welsh/Appaloosa pony I had when I was in high school some 25+ years ago was deathly afraid of electric fences that my grandfather put up to contain his purebred Yorkshire hogs with whom my pony lived. Grandpa usually used bare or barbed wire with no flags or other visual markers for his electric fence. I think the pony could not see this wire and got zapped pretty severely, so she was incredibly paranoid about staying away from the area where the electric was. Even when the fence was gone, she would absolutely refuse to approach the virtual fence. Because of this experience, I'm adamant about using yellow electric-fence tape or clearly flagging any bare-wire electric fence on our place. I want the horses to respect the electric fence, but I don't want them to be paranoid about it. Heck, ~I~ want to be able to see the darn electric fence easily! I got zapped once on the face (and other times on other parts of my body) and found myself instantly on the ground from the shock. Not fun! One time last summer, Finn was acting obnoxious about being haltered in the pasture. I was trying to teach him, using what little I know of John Lyon's techniques, that I could control his behavior, even in a large pasture (which required some cunning and a lot of huffing-and-puffing from me, I might add!) Before he chose to understand the message, he raced and bucked madly around the pasture. At one point in his adolescent snit, however, he approached a corner of the yellow-tape electric fence. He suddenly put all four brakes on, lost his footing, and slid to a stop on his side -- all to avoid getting zapped. I was impressed that he (1) clearly saw the fence and (2) preferred to avoid getting shocked rather than to continue his tantrum unchecked. And I was impressed with his slide into first -- is there a baseball team for Fjords? I've got a promising rookie player on my place! To end this story, Finn eventually wore himself down -- I certainly wasn't able to chase him to cause all this commotion, I was just keeping him away from the rest of the herd. When he'd had enough, Finn finally allowed my husband to halter him and lead him where we needed Finn to go. I later worked with him using the approach and retreat method to show him that being approached and haltered in the pasture was no big deal and didn't need to be a big event, complete with angry squeals and bucks. And who said Fjords are stubborn in the negative sense of the word? Just determined, inventive, and opinionated, that's all! :-) DeeAnna
6 Inch bits
This message is from: Sam Sue Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED] A few other places to look for 6 inch bits are Meader's supply, which has draft horse size equipment - can't find the number right now but they have a link from the Carriage Driving List home page at Trot-On. Myler's is a family run business that makes custom bits to order. They were discussed in a article from a TTEAM magazine I got at Equitana, and recently discussed on CD-L list. They can help you get a bit for your horse's shape mouth (thick tongue and low palate sound familiar?), width of mouth and level of training. Phone # 800-354-3613. I have a bit on order, so I can't tell you yet how well the bit is working. Lastly, Herman Sprenger (probably spelled wrong), who makes dressage bits, is coming out with 6 inch bits. My sister's friend runs a tack shop, and talked with the dealer about this recently. Since this brand in carried in many mail order catalogs and shops, they should be available soon from many sources. Sue Banks, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Letter
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I thought that the letter that was included with the NFHR membership renewals would have sparked a little more conversation than it did. So what do people think about it? Mike, Just received mine yesterday. I'd say it's about time. Will be nice to have all the horses under one roof. Should make researching pedigrees and lot easier. Mary == Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Cabin Fever
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] go out and enjoy our several Hot springs, one just 50 miles out my paved road. Swim in the hot springs pool after you ski or snow machine around the surrounding hills. (The Fairbanks visitors Bureau should pay me!) Jean, We've been out to your hot springs, many years ago - before we knew you (1980, I think). They are really nice. I envy you living so close. I envy you your dogsled races, etc. Around here in March we watch the water rise and the rain come down for our recreation! Mary == Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Hey READ THIS!
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:43 AM 1/8/99 +0200, you wrote: This message is from: partoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Received this through a mailing list. Don't know if it's true but thought to send it anyway just in case. Best regards Sini.) Narelle Robertson (7.1.1999 2:24): If you receive an e-mail titled JOIN THE CREW or PENPALS DO NOT open it! This is one of the oldest Hoaxes around. It is simply not true. PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND PEOPLE IN YOUR MAILBOXES. Please DO NOT pass this on. It is a HOAX. AOL HAS SAID THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS VIRUS AND THERE IS NO REMEDY FOR THIS...FORWARD IT TO ALL YOUR ON-LINE FRIENDS A.S.A.P.!! AOL has said nothing of the kind. DO NOT FORWARD this message. If you don't want to believe me then check this site for more information: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html Mike
Re: Still on viruses
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:57 PM 1/8/99 +0200, you wrote: This message is from: partoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi list, the newest information I've got on this subject is from the main newspaper here: it says no viruses are spread through plain emails and the virus warning cannot be the virus itself. These warnings are just bad jokes. There's no need to be worried about viruses as long as you don't save and open possible enclosures on your own hard disk. Hope so. Sini. Exactly. Before you spread virus warnings you should check them out first. Here are a few sites that offer help like this: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html http://www.europe.datafellows.com/news/hoax.htm http://www.snopes.com/ http://www.urbanlegends.com/ http://www.drsolomon.com/home/home.cfm http://www.drsolomons.com/vircen/vanalyse/va005.html
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #305
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] this messgae is from Mike Joyce Cook/West Church Fjords,Swanton,Oh Hi All! In Regards to the frozen dookie(my daughter calls them that!) golf game, We play pasture golf all summer long! When they are soft, your swing is alway's incredible! Your distance is immeasurable and the accuracy..WOW! Anyway, I wanted to let everyone know that I have an 11 yr. old gelding for trade or sale. He rides great! His driving skills are incredible! He is a lead horse in tandem and unicorn and will go in pairs wonderfully. He's a very lively mover and alway's loves to be used! And his attitude is excellent and kind! Please e-mail me privately should you or anyone you know be interested in this guy! Stay Warm Everyone! Mike Joyce Cook West Church Fjords
Re: Hey READ THIS
This message is from: partoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now I received another email from a friend who had just received the same warning message I sent you a few minutes ago and she said: A lot of times the WARNING message IS the virus. They tell you to send it to all your friends and blahblah, only to have YOU spread it. --- Sigh. Hope there's no damage done this time. Sini.
Hey READ THIS!
This message is from: partoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Received this through a mailing list. Don't know if it's true but thought to send it anyway just in case. Best regards Sini.) Narelle Robertson (7.1.1999 2:24): If you receive an e-mail titled JOIN THE CREW or PENPALS DO NOT open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this letter out to as many people as you canthis is a new virus and not many people know about it!! This information was received this morning by IBM, please share it with anyone that might access the Internet!!! PENPAL appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are interested in a penpal.but by the time you read this letter it is TOO LATE. The Trojan horse virus will have already infected the boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all the data present. It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read it will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is present in your box!!! This virus will destroy your hard drive and holds the potential to DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your box and whose mail is in their box and so on and on! So delete any message titled PENPAL or JOIN THE CREW...this virus can do major DAMAGE to worldwide networks PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND PEOPLE IN YOUR MAILBOXES. AOL HAS SAID THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS VIRUS AND THERE IS NO REMEDY FOR THIS...FORWARD IT TO ALL YOUR ON-LINE FRIENDS A.S.A.P.!!
