Re: Fjord with long mane
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, We bought a Fjord with a VERY long, VERY thick mane. It was actually below the neck, and as Suzan said, very unruly and unkept looking, at least in our opinion. We have since roached it and are trimming the mane regularly and have noticed our Fjord is now holding his head up high and appears to be much more comfortable. We think for him, anyway, it was simply too heavy! We also have recently purchased some yearlings which were raised in a herd environment. Interestingly enough, some of their forelocks are short! Initially, we assumed they were short due to the age of the horse, but we were wrong. Their manes were trimmed prior to the purchase so we cannot speak for the appearance of the long mane, itself, but we have noticed these yearlings regularly groom each other, and a few seem to actually nip off each other's forelocks and lick/chew each other's manes! They do not do this with the tails, by the way. On another note, I have recently been sent an old letter from the Norwegian department of Agriculture (I think) to someone by the name of Nona Forrester. Some of my Fjord friends are being very helpful in helping me research the breed. This letter is dated in the early 80's and has some interesting information about the major stallions of that time. I have tried to contact Nona to gain permission to reprint, but have since found out this information is called common knowledge, so is not protected under copyright laws. Would anyone be interested in me copying this stallion part of the letter for the list? I would hate to repeat information that maybe everyone knows but me! Sincerely, Lynda Daniel Bailey and Lynda C. Welch-Bailey Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI
Re: Fjord with long mane
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I saw a picture of a fjord with a long mane. It looked terrible. Very unruly and messy looking and very unfjordlike... If you leave them long, they tip over the neck and break down the crest... I think they are required to be trimmed to be shown. Suzan Too bad you have been exposed to a horse that became overweight while at the same time having an untrimmed mane. I have a gorgeous mare, Jorunn, dam of many fine get,including NFHR Silver medallion mare, Tise. Jorunn's ( Rosie's), mane has only been cut once, when I decided to show her one year, long ago. I let it revert back to it's long and natural state,and have left it au natural ever since, as I really think it befits her. It does not pull her neck over, and yes this can happen even if the mane is trimmed. As far as showing w/ an untrimmed mane, I think it would be frowned upon, but don't think it would be cause for rejection...Is there some rule to this effect? Karen in Carson City, NV, in the midst of way too many wildfires! ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Evaluate this
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Digest - The recent posts on Evaluations have been quite informative. I like the high degree of interest expressed! Also, I'm delighted that folks see the need for assessment of temperament and that the Eval forms are going to reflect this. Mike, would you post that particular change? I'm eager to see how it's approached. The proposed book is a great idea - it will be a big help to potential breeders. There have been many references to Norwegian Evaluators and questions about whether stallions evaluated here by Norwegian judges were entered in Norway's stud book. I'd love to have that information, since Erlend was evaluated as a 3-yr-old in 1990 by Jon Hegdahl and David Kolve. I know he earned a third premium, which I understand to be the highest that is awarded for that age, but have been unable to locate his evaluation scores. Some folks have expressed interest in seeing them, and I may end up having to call Jon in Norway. Of course, we'll have all our breeding stock done at the next N.A. Evaluation we can get to. I'm looking forward to Woodstock - seeing familiar faces and connecting new ones to names I know. But I'm harried about taking that week away so soon before Libby. I expected to be more prepared by now. Probably will have to scratch some classes. Bad planning on my part, but I know a good time will be had by all... Ceacey, I'm delighted that you're making the big trek to Montana! Do you have your passport and your Berlitz ready? Let any of us Westerners know if you need help with translation Re: thin soles. One of our Fjords seems thin, [in the sole...] the others don't. Have not had any x-rays done. We did have an ultra-sound the other day, though, and Silka was settled by Erlend! June baby. We're weaning Sonny now, and hope to have him in the Ellensburg Rodeo Parade, along with Pepper, just so the cowboys around here can see another breed for a change. Lookie there, Mabel, what Are them funny-looking horses? I'm also setting up a Fjord informational booth at the Fair that's held along with the rodeo, so if any of you want to scan your favorite picture of your Fjord and send it along, I'll include it. And Mike, if you have some brochures or other info on the breed and on the NFHR, send it too. The Rodeo/Fair is Labor Day weekend. Then it's off to Libby! See you there - Peg Knutsen
Record Book
This message is from: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks to all for your input for The Record Book. All info is helpful and being considered even though I don't always have the time to respond. We are getting ready for two major events right now and there is never enough time to do it all. I just wanted to remind all of you who are stuck on the $18,000 figure that this is a Total Budget figure based on 1000 copies printed. Now, if I were to say that the book could cost anywhere from $12-$19 to produce, would that make anyone feel better? Same amount just a different presentation. In the total budget presented, I included items like conference calls at $200 per pop, and postage to get letters out to owners and for committee members to communicate. Layout is around $2500+ and typesetting/prep design/graphics etc.is another $2000. Somehow none wants to work for free (except the volunteers) The other consideration is that this book is the CORE book. IOW, it will have Eval. relevant info that will not have to be reprinted in future additional booklets, so we feel that this will be a 'keeper' and should probably be of better quality. I will check out how much B/W as opposed to COLOUR pic will affect the price. The three quotes that we received from different parts of the continent were pretty much the same which leads me to believe that there is little room for 'give'. We can, however, make concessions in other ways. We will work on this some more in Sept and make a revised presentation to the BOD for their Retreat. Ursula Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
Re: Record Book
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - Ruthie Bushnell wrote - A couple of clarifications,,, Carol, I don't think Jean nor I either one were trying to promote particular Fjord people for evaluators, but I don't want to put words in Jean's mouth. Hi Ruthie, I know you weren't trying to promote particular people. My understanding was you were using those names in a for instance manner, and that's how I used them to say that probably none of us has the education and background to be evaluators. Best Regards, Carol --- This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone mentioned publishing the information on the NFHR website instead of printing a ton of books. It seems that if the information needs to be updated often that the web site would work best. There could be color pictures too. If anyone needed to have a field copy they could just print out what they needed. Hi Mark, That's a wonderful idea. A great service for the NFHR to provide its members. And for those without computers, the NFHR could print out copies and sell them. Regards, Carol Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: evaluaters
This message is from: Starfire Farm, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary Thurman wrote: The trick to becoming a good evaluator, it seems to me, is in both knowing the breed well(which usually requires more than just a passing interest in the breed), and then acquiring the necessary training to know why you like certain animals - this is indeed an eye opener! Sometimes you find out that what you thought was correct, or desirable, is really not. So, to be an evaluator one needs knowledge of/interest in the breed, education, and last(but by NO means least) experience. It looks like a long road to go, but if the person starting down that road already has an avid interest in the breed plus plenty of experience with the breed - as a breeder, trainer, owner, whatever - they have a start on the road. Where else are we going to find evaluators, or people willing to at least try training to be an evaluator, if they don't come from within the breed? We are all subjective to some extent, the trick is to LEARN enough objectivity to be an asset to the breed as an evaluator. Well put, Mary, I couldn't agree more! Beth Beth Beymer Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO www.starfirefarm.com
Fjord with long mane
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I saw a picture of a fjord with a long mane. It looked terrible. Very unruly and messy looking and very unfjordlike. There is a reason the fjords have their manes trimmed. If you leave them long, they tip over the neck and break down the crest. I think they are required to be trimmed to be shown. Suzan In N. MN, where we are building arks. I wish we could export the rain to those of you who are in a drought. It'll rain again, we are going camping tomorrow for 4 days.
Re: Hi Janice!!!
This message is from: Janice Gault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jackie, This message is from: Jackie Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glad you made it to the list, hope you enjoy it!! So far I really enjoy it. Very nice group of people. This LIST is very busy with many posts too. Lots to read. I was wondering if anyone has a Picture of a Fjord with a long mane that they could send me? --- Jan w/Haflingers Beauty April in Michigan
re:I'm shopping...
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, what about the bridle (we have finally graduated into a Kimberwick bit after starting with an Eggbert and moving on up.. Hi Jeri...welcome to the List:o) Stick with all same color tack if you can...mixing the two colors doesn't look quite as professional. Also, a Kimberwicke can be harsh if not used with soft hands, I think you may want to stay with the Eggbutt. I too (like Niki) am a big fan of snaffles, advancing to a harsher bit may not be an answer to a training problem and could very well cause more trouble. My two cents worth... Ingrid :o)
Re: evaluaters
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary you are right on with your statements re finding some one knowledgeable about the breed and going forward This hashing and rehashing of what if, perfect person, years of research etc gets us to the same spot everytime. There is no perfect solution so get on with it and work out the bugs as we go. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
Re: Horsemanship halters
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Was surprised to read that horsemanship halters, a very light piece of rope and light on a horse's face, are not allowed at shows or evaluations--but stud chains which can cause real damage and are very severe are. Ok, guys, just WHAT is a natural horsemanship halter? We use what we refer to as a training halter, some call it a knotted cowboy halter. It's made from a single piece of lightweight rope, with knots at each side of the nose and under the chin and closes with a knot tied through a loop. If the knot is tied properly on the closure, there is no way it can come loose. Our halters also have a braided piece over the nose so the rope doesn't cut into the face. I assume these halters are also not allowed in competition, although they sure do allow better control with less force than a flat nylon or leather halter! Mary I thought safety was an issue. This is a very safe piece of equipment in good soft hands. If Everyone can use a natural horsemanship halter--then there would be no quote unfair advantage. Didn't realize people were so opposed to natural horsemanship training. It's such a great concept, makes horse ownership so much more fun for both the horse and rider, I would think every caring horse owner might give it a try. But I guess I am into having fun with my horses and I like to know they are having fun too--so there you go. Misha === Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: evaluaters
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/23/99 19:56:18 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if we had someone who is a breeder of fjords out there evaluating every else's fjords even though they might have the knowledge to do a great job that they may be a little partial to their friends or horse that have their bloodlines in them? Yes! This was my first and only thought on this subject. Even it the person was trying to be impartial and subjective, they would have their emotions tied in a bit too much to be objective. Actually, ANYONE who owns even one equine of the breed being evaluated could be perceived as prejudiced toward a certain bloodline or style. We all have our preferences in what the horses we personally own look like. So WHERE are we going to find that perfect, non-subjective evaluator? I suggest that such a person does not exist, unless that person has no tie whatsoever to the breed being evaluated. That puts us back to trying to train a QH, Paint, Morgan, etc., etc., judge to evaluate Fjords. Is that what we want? I think we need to be realistic here. The trick to becoming a good evaluator, it seems to me, is in both knowing the breed well(which usually requires more than just a passing interest in the breed), and then acquiring the necessary training to know why you like certain animals - this is indeed an eye opener! Sometimes you find out that what you thought was correct, or desirable, is really not. So, to be an evaluator one needs knowledge of/interest in the breed, education, and last(but by NO means least) experience. It looks like a long road to go, but if the person starting down that road already has an avid interest in the breed plus plenty of experience with the breed - as a breeder, trainer, owner, whatever - they have a start on the road. Where else are we going to find evaluators, or people willing to at least try training to be an evaluator, if they don't come from within the breed? We are all subjective to some extent, the trick is to LEARN enough objectivity to be an asset to the breed as an evaluator. Mary === Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: Horsemanship halters
This message is from: Janice Gault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Misha, Interesting name. I'm not sure if I will/would pronounce it correctly. I wish my name was more original like yours. *This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Was surprised to read that horsemanship halters, a very light piece of rope and light on a horse's face, are not allowed at shows or evaluations--but -- I'm interested in learning more about these Halters for which you're speaking of. I have always used a stud chain whenever I was uncertain whether or not the horse would behave correctly. I've had three total hip replacements and I can't afford to be dragged. I know, I should let go of the rope but my instant reaction is to HANG on, thus I've been dragged a few times more than I'd like to admit. --- Jan w/Haflingers Beauty April in Michigan
Re: Horsemanship halters
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:13 PM 8/24/99 -0800, you wrote: Was surprised to read that horsemanship halters, a very light piece of rope and light on a horse's face, are not allowed at shows or evaluations--but stud chains which can cause real damage and are very severe are. The reason we didn't allow the knotted rope halter was to keep everything even. I agree in the right hands it would be fine. I might add that I think the person that wanted to use it would not have been a problem either. The whole thing was like we have been talking about with the rules. If they specifically allow some items then that automatically disallows anything that isn't on that list. The knotted rope halter isn't wasn't an approved item in the rules. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fjord cross gelding for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My sister, who is not on the fjord list, is selling her fjord/quarter horse gelding. I thought someone on our list might be interested in contacting her. The ad is as follows: Fjord/Quarter Horse cross for sale. Looks like a fjord (coloring) but built like a quarter horse. Absolutely beautiful buttermilk buckskin gelding. Approximately 8 years old. White and black mane and tail (fjord coloring but soft and fluffy, does not stand up). Dorsal stripe, dark muzzle, dark tipped ears. 15.2 hands. Dark legs, lightly zebra striped. Nice hooves, currently unshod. Long, elegant neck. Great on trails, very steady, does not spook. Has been used as a pack horse in eastern Oregon. Trailers, clips, bathes. Obviously, no papers! $2200. e-mail Chris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call 503-668-3007. Located in Sandy, Oregon.
Hi Janice!!!
This message is from: Jackie Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jan, Glad you made it to the list, hope you enjoy it!! Jackie.
