RE: Tear Ducts
This message is from: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Steve, I learned something new - I didn't realize they were two different things! I thought they were in the same spot. Teresa Sanders Sandpoint, Id
birth announcement
This message is from: "mizgriz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I sent this in last week but never saw it published on the list so I'm resending it. We had our fifth foal (fourth filly) of the year so far born last week. It was extra special because Dave, my husband actually got to watch a birth for the first time. mom started labor at about 9am on a nice sunny morning and baby Katanka was born at 9:55. We have a picture of her on our website, www.fawncreekfjords.com . We expect two more foals in August. I was thinking of trying olive oil on slightly dry hooves. Does anyone know if that's a good or bad idea? Also, any ideas of where to get the best buy on a logging/draft type harness? It was nice to get the information about Cliff Baltzley. We have a 12 yr. old mare, Anitra (Dragtind daughter, Grabb grand-daughter) who came from his farm. She's one of those very calm and fearless type horses and passes that quality on to her offspring. I've wondered if that came from the Dragtind side or the Grabb side (or both?). I also liked the "how to take a picture of your filly". I have trouble taking pictures of loose horses and getting anything but eyeballs and nostrils. Dianna Fawn Creek Fjordhorses
Re: Tear Ducts
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pamela, As far as I know you can't see the vomernasal organ by looking in the nostril. I think what you are seeing is the nasal aperture of the nasolacrimal duct. This is a tear duct which drains tears from the eye and out the nostril. It can be found an inch or two inside the nostril on the floor of the nasal passage and looks like a big pore. Steve White Waterloo, Nebraska
RE: Tear Ducts
This message is from: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pamela You and Jean are both talking about the same thing! Instead of thinking of it as a tear duct though it might help to think drainage hose! It's auxiliary and also possess' small glands used when the horse scents but again that function is purely auxiliary. You must really know your horse to have found it! Some people who have been around horses for decades don't realize it's there unless a vet needs to flush it. In fact, I've heard stories about some vets who still don't realize it's there! Kinda makes ya wonder what else we could find if you looked at someone/something long enough. :)) Teresa in Northern Idaho where my daughter says, "Support Bacteria--Its the only culture some people have.
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #167
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > What is the "problem" with feeding grain to Fjords? How are they > different > from other horses especially when they are up to two years old? Didn't mean to imply that you can't feed them grain. It's just that Strategy would be my preference. Less chance of digestive upset, founder, tying up, etc. This would go for my fjord or my thoroughbred. The > vets > and feed nutritionalists say all colts need grain to mature > properly. I am > confused. > Sue in New Brunswick > What they need is proper energy and balanced nutrition. Grain is one of many ways to provide this. Steve White Waterloo, Nebraska
Re: Picture of Lars on site
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is certainly Lars' picture on the Coolest Horsey Hairdo web page you discovered. It is one I have had on AOL for a number of years, so whoever put up the page must have come across it by chance. I sent them details and told them I owned the Fjord in question. Merek
Two geldings for sale
This message is from: Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello again - If anyone might be interested in two 10 year old nicely matched red dun geldings, please e-mail me privately. We sold these geldings as three year olds to a nice older couple. The man who bought them had many health problems and wanted horses again. He hitched them EVERY day and his wife told me his health improved greatly. He couldn't wait to get to the barn every morning. Anyway these two guys were shown a little and have given many rides and been driven a lot. Every time I saw them they were in great condition and handled very quietly. Anyway, I received a phone call and their owner is now VERY sick and not expected to live much longer as he has major heart problems and every elderly. He hasn't been able to drive them for the past couple years and wants them sold so his wife will not have them to worry about. Including mares in for breeding I am up to 22 Fjords and just do not have the room to take them so if anyone is interested, please let me know. Nancy Hotovy The Upper Forty
Grain & Fjords
This message is from: Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello to everyone - Summer's here so not much time to read the mailing list but I saw someone questioning Purina Strategy recently and Buckeye feed also. As we have quite a few Fjords, we are always looking for the best AND most economical way to feed and keep them all looking their best, soo over the years we've tried just about everything including Purina and Buckeye. Most of the Buckeye feed was recommended to feed with unlimited hay. Can you believe what the Fjords would look like?!? For the past two years we have been using Kent Dynasty which has all the same ingredients of Purina's Strategy but is much cheaper - at least here in Michigan. It is a pelleted feed and the great part about it is that we feed this same feed to everyone. We just adjust the amount for broodmares, nursing mares, geldings, growing foals etc. It works great and all of our horses have nice slick, shiny coats and none are too fat. We do control hay and pasture times also. Hope everyone has a great fjord filled summer! Nancy Hotovy The Upper Forty
RE: New photos
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Beth, Loved the pictures.. Thanks... Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Starfire Farm, LLC Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 8:39 AM To: fjord horse mailing list Subject: New photos
Healthy?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 00-06-16 17:49:48 EDT, you write: << . I have discovered in reading the list, that for the most part, Fjord people are MUCH different to other horsy people. Fjord owners appear to be interesting characters who possess a great sense of humor, are honest and open and not afraid to share, admit their mistakes and let down the cast iron curtains that many people hold so tightly around them, along with pretense, arrogance and various other waste- my- time behaviors. You seem to be a healthy group of people. >> We are just well medicated.Lisa Pedersen, whos on a 4 Ibuprofin back day.
Re: zimectrin...white line
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ivermectin (Zimecterin, Eqvalan brands, etc.) does not kill tapeworms or enciysted small stongids. To kill Tapeworms, double does of Strongid (paste) can be used and I understand that there is evidence that daily strongid works on tapeworms also, so maybe your fjord had tapeworms! Maybe Steve can talk expand on this. JEan in Fairbanks, Alaska, nearing the longest day with 21 hour 47 minutes of possible sunlight: the sun rises and sets in the North! No dark. This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >If you read the ads for Zimectrin it sounds like that is the only wormer you >have to use and it will kill all types of parasites. Wellmy Fjord started >to loose weight one summer and act very tired. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: White Line & joke
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I second that , good advice , we have used formalin on the hoof, good results. Funny joke. Tillie Bud & Tillie Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: zimectrin...white line
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >And we discussed not using > those > products that you give daily like Strongid C, because it is a good > way to > create a resistance by giving a low dose every day. No, no, no, no. Daily Strongid-C works only on the newly ingested larvae of the parasite. These larvae have not been shown to possess the ability develop resistance. Strongid-C does not act on the adults which do develop resistance. > So rotating > products is > still necessary despite what you read. Yes, definitely! Strongid-C good! Not rotating bad! I'll discuss some rotation and deworming strategies tonight when I have more time. Regards, Steve White
Re: Tear Ducts
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/18/00 9:20:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Well, I can understand the confusion now Pamela. In your first post about this you said it was in the nostril. Like everyone else, I figured you were talking about the tear duct. So is what you're talking about in the mouth or the nostril? >> It is in the nostril. I've had a rough day and night so misspoke in my last post saying it is in the mouth closest to the roof of the mouth. Meant to say it is in the nostril, on the part closest to the roof of the mouth, about an inch or two in. It isn't like a duct at all at all though, as I've said. More like a large pore. But now I'm getting confused. Is there also a tear duct in the nostril??? I wish I had a picture of what I'm talking about. And had a picture of where the tear duct in the nostril is! I don't think the duct and Jacobson's Organ would be the same thing at all. Where are the vets when you need them, to walk you through anatomy! . Pamela
Re: White Line
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] good one, Dr. Steve -- good advice, too !! Linda in MN -
Re: zimectrin...white line
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you read the ads for Zimectrin it sounds like that is the only wormer you have to use and it will kill all types of parasites. Wellmy Fjord started to loose weight one summer and act very tired. I thought he was sick and called the vet. I told him I wormed every 8 weeks with only Zimectrin, so I thought I had the worming covered. That wasn't the case. His blood work showed a very high histamine level which can indicate a large worm load. The vet tube wormed him once with a stronger dose of another type of wormer, and then we followed up weeks later with a different paste wormer. It took a while, but he finally started to get back to normal. So rotating products is still necessary despite what you read. And we discussed not using those products that you give daily like Strongid C, because it is a good way to create a resistance by giving a low dose every day. I now rotate with 4-5 different paste wormers and never have had this problem again.
Re: Commercial transport
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eggbert and horse-in around for me too. both good. denise delgado
zimectrin...white line
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Out here in Oregon, they are now thinking that white line may come from the > over use of the ingredients of the wormers like Zimerctrin. The vets here > are very concerned and find that horses that are given Zimerctrin and not a > rotation of wormers are more likely to get white line. There is a product > out called DURASOLE that helps. It is mostly an iodine based solution. Very interesting...I too use mainly Zimectrin (ivermectin) based wormers...will ask vet about that for his opinion. > The one who may have it is 31 years old and has > Cushings syndrome, which probably has a lot to do with her strange > hair/hoof growth patterns (lots of body hair and mane, little tail- > and hoof-growth). > Another theory is that white line is related to feeding "sweet feed", > i.e. "excess" sugar (molasses) in the tissues "encourages" whatever > the bacteria or fungus is that is "rotting" the hoof wall. Now this is also a possibility with this particular mare here...she does not have Cushings, but is the one who receives more than a handful of grain, compared to the others. She is older and has had the most medical-related problems. She is on thyroid meds. and has low progesterone also (trouble conceiving and keeping a pregnancy). All these things could be related somehow. Ingrid in Ohio
Re: Tear Ducts
This message is from: "Laurie Pittman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >? ??? I don't think you're talking about the same thing I am. It is a little > pore. On the part of the mouth closest to the roof of the mouth. Here's > something from britannica about it. I had found something a little bit more > detailed last week, but don't have time this morning to search it up. This > isn't something that can be flushed out. Just looks like a little pox scar. > http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/3/0,5716,44183+1+43211,00.html > > Pamela > Well, I can understand the confusion now Pamela. In your first post about this you said it was in the nostril. Like everyone else, I figured you were talking about the tear duct. So is what you're talking about in the mouth or the nostril? Laurie
Re: Commercial transport
This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Horsin a'round,Eggbert. -- >From: "Jon & Mary Ofjord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com >Subject: Commercial transport >Date: Sun, Jun 18, 2000, 12:51 PM > >This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi list! > >Some friends of ours need a colt shipped from Washington to Minnesota >sometime this fall. I checked the list archives and found two horse >transport companies (Bob Hubbard and Blue Chip) that had been recommended. > >Does anyone have any experience with any other commmercial haulers that we >could also recommend in addition to the aforementioned? > >Thanks, >Jon in cool, wet Northern Minnesota > > >
Re: Tear Ducts
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/17/00 11:46:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Sue I do think that is the channel that connects to the eye as I have also had a vet flush it out and it overflows in the eye. Does not mean it is not olfactory too. Jean >> ??? I don't think you're talking about the same thing I am. It is a little pore. On the part of the mouth closest to the roof of the mouth. Here's something from britannica about it. I had found something a little bit more detailed last week, but don't have time this morning to search it up. This isn't something that can be flushed out. Just looks like a little pox scar. http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/3/0,5716,44183+1+43211,00.html Pamela
New photos
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi everyone, We finally updated our website with new photographs on a new page titled Y2K Images. If you go there for a visit, enjoy! http://www.starfirefarm.com Beth -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO www.starfirefarm.com
Commercial transport
This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi list! Some friends of ours need a colt shipped from Washington to Minnesota sometime this fall. I checked the list archives and found two horse transport companies (Bob Hubbard and Blue Chip) that had been recommended. Does anyone have any experience with any other commmercial haulers that we could also recommend in addition to the aforementioned? Thanks, Jon in cool, wet Northern Minnesota
Re: White Line
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Negative evidence includes the fact > that > "seedy toe" (an old name for "white line syndrome") existed long > before the invention and widespread use of the ivermectins. Excellent point! > Another theory is that white line is related to feeding "sweet > feed", > i.e. "excess" sugar (molasses) in the tissues "encourages" whatever > the bacteria or fungus is that is "rotting" the hoof wall. But don't you think if this was around before ivermectin, then it was probably around before sweet feeds. I don't think we need to blame this on anything given too or ingested by the horse. I'm sure many of us have had or know someone that's had athlete's foot before. And now on television I'm seeing all these ads for the treatment of toenail fungus. Fungi are everywhere; in the soil, in the bedding, on our clothes, in the air we breathe. Most of the time they cause no problem (even beneficial by keeping down dangerous bacteria), but occasionally when the conditions are just right they can take hold and overgrow. Then we have to change their environment to get them back in check (cleaning, drying, antifungals). My treatment of choice is removing the affected hoof wall, making sure there are no little tunnels left behind and then packing the area with cotton soaked in formalin (the same stuff used for preserving specimens). Formalin is cheap (compared to antifungal medications) and hasn't failed me yet. By the way, did you hear about the mushroom who went into the bar to order a drink? The bartender says, "Beat it buddy, we don't serve your kind here". And the mushroom says, "Ah come on, I'm a fungi". (fun guy, ha ha) Sorry about that, Steve White Waterloo, Nebraska
Merek, I saw Lars pix the other day
This message is from: Mike & Casey Rogillio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on a bb that I lurk at. I kept quiet, wondering how long it would take for the breed to be identified, only about 5-6 posts and Fjord was nailed. No one ever acknowledged any names, the original poster didn't remember where she'd gotten it from. And now, after much silence, you post here! A Baader-Meinhof moment as described by Pioneer Planet if ever I saw one! RE the saddles, PLEASE, share it with all of us!! I'm having a hard time convincing my husband that the saddle that was custom built for Tyr doesn't fit him any longer, leaves huge dry spots on either side of his withers. I'm going to try some 'wither shims' but if they don't work, the saddle has to go, so I'm also very interested in the types of saddles that people have had good luck with - I ride Western so if anyone has any specific input in that area I'd be thrilled. Unfortunately I also don't have much over $600 to spend on a saddle, hence needing to not buy saddle after saddle to discover they don't fit worth a fig. Tyr would appear to me to be a drafty type fjord, very modest withers and short backed. Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated. Casey & the boys in FINALLY, slightly soggy Alabama ( 5/8 inch rain in scattered showers this week) fjordhorse-digest wrote: > > And THIS reaction from a public that asks if Lars is a zebra, just because I > cut his mane in stripes?
