Re: Tapadero Stirrups
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen McCarthy wrote: > This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Thanks for all the requests for stirrups! Wow! If this was Ebay I'd be in > fat [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-) > The have been claimed by a lister from Wisconson; should come in handy > there...Br! > > Karen in N. Nevada > > *Getting ready to take off manana for a 2 week sojourn into the Sierra > Gigantea mountains of Baja Calif. Sur - on mules! > _ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Hi Karen, I received the stirrups today. Don't know when I will be riding next since it is supposed to really get cold this week. And then with the holidays coming up, it is such a too too busy time. But I will let you know how they work out. I definitely will feel safer when my boot cannot go too far in the stirrup. Now I must get her easy boots all adjusted and staying on. I may get those keeper straps so I am not checking every ten feet or so to see if her boots are still on. I sure would hate to loose one in the snow and not find it till spring. Hope you had a nice vaction. -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
handling babies
This message is from: "Patryjak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Pat) I am pleased to hear about your program at Green Valley Farm. Interesting discussionbut, where's the message from Pat? Betsy in Michigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://foxfirefjords.homestead.com/
Re: handling babies
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen I have to stand up for some of the buyers. Some are totally unaware of how much time the owner, breeder, trainer etc. puts into the horse. They may not know the $ value set on this, or any other part of rearing a horse. Some buyers, myself included, assume a selling party always sets the price higher than needed in hopes they can make a larger profit. When I sell something I usually put a higher price on it and get ready to bargain. If I want to get rid of something I put a low price on it. Selling and buying are an art. I have been trained to bargain or "dicker" over prices. Especially in Mexico!!! Europe included. It is expected. I am always shocked to get an angry reaction from the occasional seller who takes offense and assumes I do not Value their product. I had encouraged an old victorian friend of mine to dicker with the owners when we went antiqueing. Unfortunately the first person she tried it on had set his price on the mark and had spent hours restoring the piece. He reacted as tho she was suggesting his time was not valuable and exploded. I turned away trying not to show my glee as she tried to extricate herself. All over a $5 difference. Point, the buyer is often naive. If the seller would always explain the time and training time, medication, breeding etc expenses, the buyer would be better educated. I think sellers often have too much of themselves involved in the sale and are too easily upset by an imagined put down. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Dreadlocks in the Tail
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My non-Grabb mare has dreads.
Re: handling babies
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen McCarthy wrote: > "Gee, will she need any more > training after I buy her?" > When I reply to questions like this, I repeat my little mantra over and over > in my head : "e-d-u-c-a-t-i-o-n, (be nice), educate.." > This is the best we can do; and along with Ursula's, Catherine's & Pat's > mention of good horsekeeping & training practices, that will consistantly > reward our efforts when these horses are presented in public, wether in > competion or a simple trail ride. I agree wholeheartedly. I find it interesting that folks who come to me to purchase a QH or a TB or a Warmblood just assume that they'll have to either spend time training the horse, or pay for someone capable of doing it for them. Certainly the sooner the better! So what is it about Fjords? Is it their size (generally speaking) or simply because they're so darned friendly and cute? Love that mantra, Karen. We're always saying, "They're still horses and you have to treat them as such." Beth -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO http://www.starfirefarm.com
Re: Dreadlocks in the Tail
This message is from: "Michele Bigelow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Both Sigrid (Grabb daughter) and Stovar (Grabb grandson) have the dreadlock type tail. Interesting to think it was an inherited trait? Anyone else with Grabb offspring notice this? Michele
handling babies
This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> NOW - here's the problem -- there are some people who have come to buy horses that say they don't want to pay for our facilities, care, time and training - they've come right out and told us so - and then think if they buy elsewhere they are getting a better deal - Its frustrating to me because we do - all this work, and not many people apply value to it. Our horses are priced within the average. - that's a real interesting point Pat and worthy of further consideration. This is the type of thing I think about almost on a daily basis while doing my barn choresanytime we are in the presence of our animals is an opportunity for training (esp the babies) for some of us it's second nature to be reinforcing good manners and obedience without calling it a formal lesson. As well, anytime a mature horse is ridden or driven it's a lesson even though we can also call it just a pleasure outing...to us it's a normal way of interacting with our animals no matter what age.or circumstance..of course this 'should' translate into dollars but you're right, it's often hard to make buyers understand that an animal left in a pasture compared to one being 'handled in an interactive manner and by experienced people should have a different dollar value.the other side, too, is 'HOW' the animal is handledby an experienced or an in-experienced handlerone who has the experience to recognize minute potential problems by handling the horse one way or possibly inconsistently & not picking up signals that can cause problems down the road...Any time we interact with our horses is an opportunity which can cause a positive or negative message on many levels of the horses' psyche.and affects the way this animal reacts in the futureevery interaction is part of the 'whole' or what you are trying to achieve. Pretty 'deep' stuff ,EH? But so true. So,when I'm out mucking with my big ole wheelbarrow and the babies come to check things out and try to interfere with my work, it's an opportunity for me to teach them to respect my space, my efforts and my place on the hiararchy. Pat, I guess the bottom line in terms of applying value to all the 'minute' and 'little' things we do in how we handle our horses, can be compared to 'housework'there sure as heck is a difference in the final product if you spend a lot of time at it but if you don't do it there are many ways to cover it up the lack of effort too... AND like housework, there is little appreciation and value attached. Unless you have to pay someone to do it. How profound is THAT, eh? The old adage.'pay now or pay later'. Ursula Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
Re: handling babies
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "...The old adage.'pay now or pay later'." Yes ma'am!! This is s true, and is exactly what I tell prospective buyers when they get figity over the price of a horse. Another thing I tell them is that the cheapest part of horse ownership IS the purchase price. One of the more frightningly naive questions I was asked by a buyer recently, after she checked out a nice GREEN 3 1/2 y.o.filly I bred & trained,(won W/T Ch. @ Turlock this year): "Gee, will she need any more training after I buy her?" When I reply to questions like this, I repeat my little mantra over and over in my head : "e-d-u-c-a-t-i-o-n, (be nice), educate.." This is the best we can do; and along with Ursula's, Catherine's & Pat's mention of good horsekeeping & training practices, that will consistantly reward our efforts when these horses are presented in public, wether in competion or a simple trail ride. Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
website with photo of fjord
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was told the website could not be opened. go to http://showmasters.com then go to the Greater Northwest Equine Expo Logo, click on that... scroll down and click on the ... the Memories of the Greater Northwest Equine Expo 2000. The Fjords are the VERY LAST photo. Catherine
Sorry!
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just managed to send an e-mail to the list that was ment to go privatley to Ruthie, but it doesn't matter very much - it wasn't 'dangerous';o) but a bit off-topic. Sorry! Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082 - Original Message - From: Anneli Sundkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 6:16 PM Subject: SV: SV: reindeer/e-mail > This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi! > > Naaah - you didn't miss anything big yesterday, at least not as far as I > remember. Guess I missed it too IF there were any great events! > > I have to do some research about the reindeer! The cows use their antlers to > protect the young ones, why it sounds strange that they should shed them just > when they need them. But perhaps they will grow back very quick...I'll ask my > boyfriend, he has spent some time up there in 'reindeer country' since he > used to be intrested in cross-country skiing and walking around among the > mountains in the summer (why on earth WALK when you can ride a > horse???)...AND visiting Saami markets in Jokkmokk during the winter when the > sun NEVER rises! > > A friend of mine lives far north in Norway. She told me that this time of the > year, they have no daylight at all - just a grey dusk that lasts for some > hours before it becomes pitch dark again, and no snow to brighten things up! > She is moving back here by the turn of the year and is longing for our LONG > days when the sun sets as 'late' as 3 pm!;o) > > Regards > > Anneli > * > > Anneli Sundkvist > Department of Archaeology & Ancient History > Uppsala University > St. Eriks Torg 5 > S-753 10 Uppsala > Sweden > Phone: +46-18-4712082 > - Original Message - > From: bushwhackerfjords <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: SV: reindeer/e-mail > > > > This message is from: bushwhackerfjords <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > At 01:21 PM 12/09/2000 +0100, you wrote: > > >This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Both male and femal reindeers have antler - yes. But I do belive that both > > males and females drop their antlers in the winter. > > > > > > > The article I read about the farm with reindeer says that "Bulls shed their > > antlers in December. Cows keep their antlers until they calve in May." Most > > unusual. > > > > I lost all of yesterday's incoming mail! Having a Eudora problem which my > > server tried very hard to fix, to no avail. Whenever I send mail Eudora > > freezes up when the send mode reaches the word "quit." But, I am assured > > the mail goes nevertheless and that I don't have a virus. Technician coming > > in a few days (very few of them here). Did I miss anything big yesterday? > > =)) > > > > Ruthie, nw mt > > > > >
Re: Yes, Virginia
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] << But I do belive that both males and females drop their antlers in the winter. >> I am told females drop theirs later in the late spring (after Christmas), but my source could be wrong. Now, if I had read it in the NY times, Virginia, I would know it was so. Gail D. Vinson Las Cruces, NM
Care & training for horses
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Pat) I am please to hear about your program at Green Valley Farm. It is important to care for the horse individually. Our better horses are those that get the daily individual work and handling. Specially when they are young. I do understand the frustration of selling a well mannered & trained horse verses a horse that "has been ridden". Prices (in any breed) does usually reflect the time, energy and training. Many do not want to pay for the training and handling of the young stock. But they will pay for the training in the long run. I am sure you all know what I mean about paying for the broken bones, wood, carts, saddles or whatever a horse breaks because he was not given the proper ground work in their "training". I personally was hurt bad from a horse that I was told was trained and just needed "polishing for show" done on him. The owner failed to tell me he broke a wrist of another trainer and a leg of his past owner. I would not have called this horse trained at all. These are my personal views! A farm or individual does themselves a disservice if they are not honest about the training level of the horses they are selling. It is not the NFHR or the BOD that can regulate the training level of horses or how one sells a horse. It is the farm or individual that has to have their own pride to sell the horse and to be honest of the training and handling. We have a wonderful way to rate our horses in NFHR. And that is the American Evaluation System. This system is for all horses and not only does conformation but performance. As a buyer, you will know that the horse will be at a certain level of training if it is awarded a ribbon in performance. This is one way that the NFHR is helping sellers to rate their stock. As far as owners of geldings, what a great way to show how well your gelding is trained by testing his skills and willingness to work at the performance testings. They are all there... English, Western, Light Harness Driving and Draft Work. Again, these are my views not those of the BOD. Catherine Lassesen HESTEHAVEN - where we handle our young stock from birth with Dr. Miller's methods and a combination of Roberts, Shrake and Lyons.
SV: SV: reindeer/e-mail
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi! Naaah - you didn't miss anything big yesterday, at least not as far as I remember. Guess I missed it too IF there were any great events! I have to do some research about the reindeer! The cows use their antlers to protect the young ones, why it sounds strange that they should shed them just when they need them. But perhaps they will grow back very quick...I'll ask my boyfriend, he has spent some time up there in 'reindeer country' since he used to be intrested in cross-country skiing and walking around among the mountains in the summer (why on earth WALK when you can ride a horse???)...AND visiting Saami markets in Jokkmokk during the winter when the sun NEVER rises! A friend of mine lives far north in Norway. She told me that this time of the year, they have no daylight at all - just a grey dusk that lasts for some hours before it becomes pitch dark again, and no snow to brighten things up! She is moving back here by the turn of the year and is longing for our LONG days when the sun sets as 'late' as 3 pm!;o) Regards Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082 - Original Message - From: bushwhackerfjords <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: Re: SV: reindeer/e-mail > This message is from: bushwhackerfjords <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 01:21 PM 12/09/2000 +0100, you wrote: > >This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Both male and femal reindeers have antler - yes. But I do belive that both > males and females drop their antlers in the winter. > > > > The article I read about the farm with reindeer says that "Bulls shed their > antlers in December. Cows keep their antlers until they calve in May." Most > unusual. > > I lost all of yesterday's incoming mail! Having a Eudora problem which my > server tried very hard to fix, to no avail. Whenever I send mail Eudora > freezes up when the send mode reaches the word "quit." But, I am assured > the mail goes nevertheless and that I don't have a virus. Technician coming > in a few days (very few of them here). Did I miss anything big yesterday? =)) > > Ruthie, nw mt > >
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #316
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/8/00 11:24:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You know how that goes, we hav eall had that > "first horse". Anyway, she was down, and to make it short, to old to get > back up and fight out the winter. Well, there she goes over that rainbow > bridge. > > Oh, I sure know that feeling. I had to do the same for my 31 year old Morgan/QH last April. There is not much that is worse. When a horse lives to be that age they usually have a very strong will to live and it makes the decision even more difficult. My sympathy on the loss. Carol and Patrick
Re: SV: reindeer/e-mail
This message is from: bushwhackerfjords <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 01:21 PM 12/09/2000 +0100, you wrote: >This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Both male and femal reindeers have antler - yes. But I do belive that both males and females drop their antlers in the winter. > The article I read about the farm with reindeer says that "Bulls shed their antlers in December. Cows keep their antlers until they calve in May." Most unusual. I lost all of yesterday's incoming mail! Having a Eudora problem which my server tried very hard to fix, to no avail. Whenever I send mail Eudora freezes up when the send mode reaches the word "quit." But, I am assured the mail goes nevertheless and that I don't have a virus. Technician coming in a few days (very few of them here). Did I miss anything big yesterday? =)) Ruthie, nw mt
SV: reindeer
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Both male and femal reindeers have antler - yes. But I do belive that both males and females drop their antlers in the winter. In Sweden - and I belive Norway and Finland too - the wild reindeer have been gone for some time and we now have only domestic reindeer that are owned and herded by the Saami people. This tradition is not very old, I belive it's 17th or 18th century. Before that the Saamis were hunters and gatherers that followed the herds of wild reindeer. I don't know why their way of living was changed, probably the fact that their land was taken by settlers that had bought the land from the government that didn't care about the fact that this land belonged to the Saamis. Regards Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:05 PM Subject: Re: reindeer > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 12/8/00 2:22:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << << In this article I have it states that both gender sport antlers, >> > But the males drop theirs in the fall, which means that Santa's are all > female, which is why they can find their way without asking directions. > >> > That sounds odd. How many antlered species have them in the females? > Certainly not whitetails, or moose, or elk. Why would females have them and > retain them year-round, while males lost them? Protection of the tender, > delicious young? I also thought they were quite wild and unruly, as they > seemed to be in something I saw from Norway with them being raced. And I > won't even go the way of the reindeer chasing Arnlod Scwarzeneger and > snapping his jaws at him in "Jingle All the Way." BTW, what was the scene > that was planned for that movie but never included or maybe never shot for > it? It involved a 20 foot long inflatable reindeer like the giant balloon > seen floating down the street, but this one was the type of balloon that uses > a blower and sits on the ground. It was built for the movie by Dynamic > Displays, but not used in the movie. Was Arnie supposed to fly into it and > bounce off, or go straight through it? Merek
