Re: Dutch Keuring Results Included in Book-
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sounds like a great way to gut the American Evaluation System...and REALLY disappoint the people who have put so much effort into setting it up. > > >Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - > >Vivian's idea to include in The Evaluation Book the results of all the >horses that were evaluated by the Dutch judges this year and in the past is >a sound one. Well thought out and very constructive. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello
This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from: Mike Bickman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to introduce myself to the list. I've read, enjoyed and learned from the posts here for the past few months. I'm a new fjordhorse owner. Cindy, my wife, has owned two to three horses for the last 20 years, and keeps them in a rental stable. She competes in lower level dressage. We live in Atlanta, Georgia. I'm 56, Cindy is 48. I never expected to be a horse person. If you had told me a couple of years ago I would soon own horses and live on a farm, I would have called the men in white coats for you. In the summer of 1999, Cindy, who teaches gymnastics and ballet, was taking a group of gymnasts to perform for a week at the World Gymstrada in Gothenberg, Sweden and then to tour Norway for a week. I joined the group at the end of the Gymstrada and then it was off to Norway and its beautiful fjords. We spent a lot of time in the countryside, and even stayed overnight in a small town where one of the gymnast's grandmother lived. Everybody noticed the pretty light brown horses in the farmers' fields and back yards. Eventually, early one morning, we went to one of the Norwegian equivalents of our National Parks. It was a glacier park and we planned to hike to the tip of the glacier. On the way to the park our bus passed some carts being pulled by these horses, and the horses eventually showed up at the park to give rides to visitors who preferred to ride vs. hike to the glacier. While our group was milling around in the gift shop before beginning the hike, I walked up to the horses to get a better look at them. It was the first time in my life I did not feel uncomfortable around horses. (This may be traceable to my having been chased by a calf when I was a child, and to not having any real farm experience.) They were calm, yet obviously quite alert. I found out more about these amazing horses during the remainder of the trip and then started researching them on the Internet after we came home. This past summer we took the introductory driving course offered by Carol and Arthur Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia. It was a great week and gave us a chance to spend more time with these horses. We stayed at the Rivoire's rental cottage on the farm and spent much of our "off" hours just hanging around the barn and rest of the farm. I had hoped to tour at least part of the famous Cabot Trail on nearby Cape Bretton, but once at the farm we didn't want to spend much time away from it. Maybe some other time. At the end of the week, one of Carol's assistants asked what I thought about horses now. I told her "I'm still not sure about horses, but I love fjords." Anyway, we purchased a 2 year old mare (Tanja) from Carol before we even got there, a 3 year old mare (Silaika) while we were there and a 4 year old gelding (Kastar) a few months later. All three arrived early in December and are now in the same rental stable as Cindy's two other horses, where they patiently wait for us to complete construction of a horse farm near Canton, Georgia. We hope to move in around the beginning of March. Silaika was started on driving at Beaver Dam Farm and Kastar on riding. We've found a couple of excellent driving instructors not too far away and look forward to taking lessons after we move in. I've already had a couple of basic lessons with Kastar (nothing beyond walking), but for now its mostly grooming. The postings on this list have been very helpful to us; there's a lot of experience available here and we're appreciative so many of you have been willing to share it. Mike Mike and Cindy Bickman Stepping Stone Farm Canton, Georgia
Re: American Evaluation - NFHR Record Book
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That sounds very impressive. Congratulations. And I think it's nice that with all of that behind you, you're still going to participate in the American Evaluation system. Again, congratulations. Judy -Original Message- From: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:23 PM Subject: Re: American Evaluation - NFHR Record Book >This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Our recently imported stallion, "Kastanjegardens Fernando", from >Denmark successfully completed the 100 day stallion test in his home >country with a score of 778 points. Norwegian and German judges >participated in the Danish Hingstekaring when he was named Norwegian >Fjord horse of the year as a two and three year old. This year he will >participate in the American Evaluation system. We support the American >Evaluation system and think it will be even better that he will be >evaluated by our country. >Pat Holland - Green Valley Farm > > >
Re: User friendly, not topic strict
This message is from: William Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 1/23/01 12:26:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << > >If I may be so bold as to make a request -- please, please let us not > discuss 1. the election 2. religion 3. abortion 4. gun control 5. > homosexuality, 6. racial/ethnic bias 7. class distinctions/divisions, or 8. > anything else that demands/reflects deeply held values apart from love of > horses and dedication to the Fjord horse. > >> I whole heartedly agree. Let's talk more about Fjords. Speaking of Fjords, I'm sure that my gelding and probably most Fjords are Democrats! Soft, furry, friendly, people oriented, social in a herd sort of way. Yes I,m sure Henry is a Democrat, but sometimes leaning a little independent. Bill Kelley
Re: Dutch Keuring Results Included in Book-
This message is from: "Margaret Strachan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't see how including additional information and an explanation of systems used in evaluating horses in other countries would gut a system and disappoint people. I would like to see the book include horses residing in North America who have been evaluated by any formal system be it in this country or abroad. Accurate and accessible information is always valuable, and inclusion (at least of NFHR registered horses) would benefit registry members or others wishing to make an informed breeding or purchase decision. Margaret Strachan Nuevo, CA Beautiful warm, sunny weather, but it is supposed to rain tomorrow. - Original Message - From: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Dutch Keuring Results Included in Book- > This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sounds like a great way to gut the American Evaluation System...and REALLY > disappoint the people who have put so much effort into setting it up. > > > > > >Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - > > > >Vivian's idea to include in The Evaluation Book the results of all the > >horses that were evaluated by the Dutch judges this year and in the past is > >a sound one. Well thought out and very constructive. > Gail Russell > Forestville CA > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Saw this on the CDList.....cute
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All I Need to Know in Life I Learned From My Horse 1. When in doubt, run far, far away. 2. You can never have too many treats. 3. Passing gas in public is nothing to be ashamed of. 4. New shoes are an absolute necessity every 6 weeks. 5. Ignore cues. They're just a prompt to do more work. 6. Everyone loves a good, wet, slobbery kiss. 7. Never run when you can jog. Never jog when you can walk. And never walk when you can stand still. 8. Heaven is eating for at least 10 hours a dayand then sleeping the rest. 9. Eat plenty of roughage. 10. Great legs and a nice rear will get you anywhere. Big, brown eyes help too. 11. When you want your way, stomp hard on the nearest foot. 12. In times of crisis, take a poop. 13. Act dumb when faced with a task you don't want to do. 14. Follow the herd. That way, you can't be singled out to take the blame. 15. A swift kick in the butt will get anyone's attention. 16. Love those who love you back, especially if they have something good to eat. Love # 7. Boy is that a Fjord or what ? Lisa
18th Annual NFHA Horse Show
This message is from: "Deb Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Northeast Fjord Horse Association will hold its 18th annual show at the Green Mountain Horse Association facility in South Woodstock, Vermont on August 3rd, 4th and 5th. (This is a change in dates for 2001 only.) Halter classes will be held on Friday afternoon and driving, riding and draft classes will follow on Saturday and Sunday. Karen Cabic will judge in the White Ring and Anne Councill will judge both ridden and driven dressage. Class lists will be mailed June 1st. Ads and sponsorships will be due July 1st. Entry deadline will be July 20th. For further information or to be placed on the mailing list, contact Deb Stevens at 603-679-8815 or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rocking Horses - Sorta Long
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's a neat website. http://www.therockinghorse.50megs.com/ And here's the story behind it. Until a few months ago (when I dropped out of the group to devote more time to riding!) I was part of a very special email group of women who love horses, various breeds. Very irreverent, loving, strong women. One of the women was going to China to meet her baby girl who she was adopting. I asked the group if we shouldn't give her some sort of cyber shower. It was a resounding YES. So we tried to figure if we should each send a little gift, or chip in for one big gift. We decided on a rocking horse. One of the lady's father is a woodworker. He took our dollars and cents and fashioned the most beautiful rocking horse a baby girl could imagine. And this horse is a horse of many colors. We took some hair off each of our own horse's tails and sent them to him (must be 80 horses!). If you look at the picture of Blaze you will see fjord foal hair on the forelock The day of the cyber shower arrived, many people from around the country attended, others of us were online, being filled in on what happened. Mother and child were so very surprised, and the father (an attorney) was speechless! Now they've done another wonderful rocking horse, and it looks like he's going into the rocking horse business! If any of you want a Class Act rocker, with fjord attributes, he'd be the person to contact! Pamela --part1_32.fa82d80.279f7b63_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a neat website. http://www.therockinghorse.50megs.com/ And here's the story behind it. Until a few months ago (when I dropped out of the group to devote more time to riding!) I was part of a very special email group of women who love horses, various breeds. Very irreverent, loving, strong women. One of the women was going to China to meet her baby girl who she was adopting. I asked the group if we shouldn't give her some sort of cyber shower. It was a resounding YES. So we tried to figure if we should each send a little gift, or chip in for one big gift. We decided on a rocking horse. One of the lady's father is a woodworker. He took our dollars and cents and fashioned the most beautiful rocking horse a baby girl could imagine. And this horse is a horse of many colors. We took some hair off each of our own horse's tails and sent them to him (must be 80 horses!). If you look at the picture of Blaze you will see fjord foal hair on the forelockThe day of the cyber shower arrived, many people from around the country attended, others of us were online, being filled in on what happened. Mother and child were so very surprised, and the father (an attorney) was speechless! Now they've done another wonderful rocking horse, and it looks like he's going into the rocking horse business! If any of you want a Class Act rocker, with fjord attributes, he'd be the person to contact! Pamela --part1_32.fa82d80.279f7b63_boundary--
Re: American Evaluation - NFHR Record Book
This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Our recently imported stallion, "Kastanjegardens Fernando", from Denmark successfully completed the 100 day stallion test in his home country with a score of 778 points. Norwegian and German judges participated in the Danish Hingstekaring when he was named Norwegian Fjord horse of the year as a two and three year old. This year he will participate in the American Evaluation system. We support the American Evaluation system and think it will be even better that he will be evaluated by our country. Pat Holland - Green Valley Farm
Re: Performing stallions and evaluations [not as long as usual]
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maybe a compromise would beif your horse is evaluated by the NFHR, and results shown in that Record Book, then results of other evaluations might also be permitted in the book for that horse? Have not thought over all the ramifications of thisbut I am sure someone else will. This would mean that the imported horses could go in the record book when they completed a North American evaluation. >As the owner of a stallion who did well in the Norwegian Evaluation, and >whose progeny did well in the Dutch Evaluation, you bet I would love to see >these results easily available to the general public. However, I believe >that we should use the NFHR Evaluation system too. Not an either/or, but a >both/and. This year's Evaluation at Libby will be the first I have been >close enough to attend since Eugene and you will see my smiling face there >for sure. > > > > > > > > > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dutch Keuring Results Included in Book-
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sounds like a great way to gut the American Evaluation System...and >REALLY disappoint the people who have put so much effort into setting >it up. >Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - > >Vivian's idea to include in The Evaluation Book the results of all the >horses that were evaluated by the Dutch judges this year and in the > > >past is a sound one. Well thought out and very constructive. Gail, Your statement is a little strong, and for good reason as you must have an appreciation of all the hardwork the Eval. committee has put into developing this system for the NFHR, the largest American fjord registry. Just as we are trying to merge the 2 registries (NFHR & NFA) as one workable registry (NFHR), so to I think the Dutch system , at least in this country, should "give it up" and come under the NFHR Eval. It's time to recognise that the American system is a good, workable system; it has even been acknowledged as such from the mother country, as well as other European countries. I realise the Dutch system has its merits, and if there were not the American system in place, you bet I would be participating in the Keurings. But, could a compromise be in order? I think so I am suggesting that if a owner wants their "Dutch" horse to be included in the NFHR Book, that the horse should have the minimum of a qualifying conformation score under the American system, for inclusion. Then, after that requirement is met, why not let all the past Keuring data be included alongside NFHR data in the book? I know some of us feel very passionatly about this or that system, but please, lets just try to work this out for the benefit of all North American fjordhorses. I think we need the clarity of one, working system. nite all, Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Inaugural
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol, Thanks for the update on the parade. You did better coverage than a lot of the reporters did! Enjoyed seeing your horses in the parade, albeit briefly. They really looked good, as did their riders! Have you or any of the other Fjord owners ever thought of participating in the Rose Parade? It's a beautiful parade, and has lots of horses. This year they sort of did a float, band, horse group,... then repeated the process. We watched it in it's entirety at HGTV. We had first seen the Curly horses in that parade. They were noticeably more calm than the other breeds shown, and that was what first attracted us to them. It's my understanding from the Fjord folks, that the Curly doesn't even come close to the Fjord in behavior. It would be a GREAT promotional tool to have them represented in that parade. Just food for thought. As to the water situation, I've known lots of horses that wouldn't drink strange water at shows. Not even in 100 degree heat. One horse in particular, (Arabian), had the vet with him most of the day, infusing electrolytes. That horse darned near died. Thank goodness you had access to the bottled water, ( in spite of the $$$!!! That must have been the most expensive part of your trip!) Thanks again for the report. Judy -Original Message- From: Gregor Fellers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:38 PM Subject: Inaugural >This message is from: Gregor Fellers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >We are all back safe and sound from Washington DC. Everyone commented on >how well the Fjords were behaved and wanted to be sure that they were >represented next time. Because of the constant waiting (We were mounted >for 8 hours in the rain), and the commotion many of the horses had to be >tranquilized and still were unruly. > >Amy and Hannah would not drink the local water because of the strong >chlorine smell in the water from the tap. The entire week we had to provide >them with bottled water from the Walmart ($$$). These are the same horses >that would battle to the death over a morsel of hay buried in a manure pile. > >CSPAN had the best coverage, really zoomed in on the Fjords for a few >seconds. Our group had 39 riders ranging from 5 to 85 years old. ABS World >News approached us after the parade and filmed some coverage, but I am >unaware if it was ever aired. > >The "peaceful" protesters portraied by the press were not that all >peaceful. Many of the horse vans were vandalized and tires were slashed. >Luckily our driver stayed with his rig and was uneffected. > >Thanks to all the list members, for their kind comments posted. > >Carol Fellers > >
thanks
This message is from: "sandra church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Steve, my apologies if this is the wrong format...if this message "flunks the test" I'll try to do it right next time. I want to thank everyone for their advice concerning Loki, my halter houdini. He hasn't even tried his trick since I learned some "behavior modification techniques" from this list. After puzzling over his good behavior, I now think when he slips his halter is directly related to the location of a good clump of grass of which there is none until spring. Can't wait until the Mid-Atlantic meeting which is actually near me! Concerning premarin mares-about 35,000 mares are used in that business. At least some farms are making the effort to use better stallions so that some of the foals have a chance for a good future. I grew up on a dairy farm and the female calves were usually kept for future use while the little bulls...well, they weren't as lucky. Thanks again for the good advice of which I'll need more of, I'm sure. Sandra...who's 49 and grateful for a dependable trail partner ^//\\^ (Loki-whose eyes are somewhere under there) _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2001 #25
This message is from: "Ellen Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Looks like I'm able to talk to the list now.Too bad.I was hoping to avoid the age question.Better late than never.My name is Ellen Davidson and I live in King William,Va. I have two fjords,Lasse (alias Gus) 5yr. and TUF Leka 4yr old mare.I also have a 12yr old Paso Fino named Pinon.I have 6 Keeshonden as I work with the rescue league and can't seem to say no and one border collie.We trail ride and I've been trying to regain my confidence so that I can try driving again.I have a very wonderful and supportive husband,Tom. My question for the list today regards driving equipment.I went to the Horse World Expo Saturday and saw a "comb collar",sort of half collar half breast strap.Has anyone any thoughts on these? Thanks,Ellen Oh yeah,I'm 45 and Tom is 44.
OOPS! and other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was gonna send that Directly to Denise Just a note, I just want to say as a fairly new person to the Fjord breed (2 years) I truly enjoy most all the posts on this list. All the Ideas from Everyone should be put out their for thought and comment sometimes. I do have to admit, When certain people post, I do make sure I catch the list for a few days because I know their will be lots of comments. I commend those people for having the courage to S T R E T C Hour minds. And If you are anything like me, you do a lot of Giggling when you read some of these posts. And the information I have gained from you more experienced people is most valuable. Michele Noonan STevensville, MT
Re: thank you
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh I'm So Glad you got it, They are Actually from Mandy, she was your Secret Santa!! She picked them out!That Helmet Cover was a bear to get!! You and most of the country wanted them!! Glad you got them! Hope they are the right ones Michele
Re: Make mine IVORY (soap that is)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/23/01 10:05:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Congratulations > to everyone whether on or off this list who have contributed to me > being able to own the two perfect horses for our family - thanks to > Hallie Sanders who produced them for me. I loved your post! Summed up the goodness of the fjord horse breed. I thank Hallie a lot too. She sold me Nikki. NOT the most perfectly built horse on the block, but her babies are always better than her. She has the smoothest, most gliding trot I've ever ridden, is patient with beginners, goes nicely when you ask her for more. Her dressage education is beginning, mostly just to get her into more of self carriage and help her aging joints last longer. Not top level, just basic stuff. Hallie is as good at matching horse to new owner as Ginny Cowles is. They are my idea of responsible horse breeders.
DILEMNA!
This message is from: "katy/liz/bill/cha/afa/eda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh no. I was all excited to go to the Fjord Shows this year with Jon because he is an angel to travel with, and then... Everything seems to be at the same time! Fjord Camp and Fingerlakes and Blue Earth! It is so sad. What are the dates for the other ones? (Libby, Turlock, and Woodstock) Katy and Jon, who are enjoying the rare Pennsylvania snow, although it was 1 degree Fahrenhit this morning! Yikes!
Re: Member database
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:24 PM 1/23/01 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK. Now, how would people like to be able to access it? I'm thinking maybe by name or email address. Either or would be best if possible. Probably want to restrict access to list members? I would think so. What data? (1. First name 2. Last Name 3. City 4. State 5. Number of Fjords 6. Number of horses 7. Memo field). Maybe something list this with field 7 being free-form text? Sounds good. I think Age started all of this so that should probably be there too. I would also suggest that only the name & email address would be required fields too I'm thinking making it user maintained, with password protection for changing data. Password to be chosen by the user when they first enter their record. That sounds good.
Re: Member database
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve I would still like to see pictures of the person if this is of interest to others. I pass by so many people at shows and end up asking, "Are you on the fjord list?" Get some peculiar looks at times.Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Inaugural
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol sounds more like you were in Tazmania? Love your remark about the straw in manure. So true. You did a great job and it does prove the more these fjords are in public the more famous they become. Thanks Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Inaugural
This message is from: Gregor Fellers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We are all back safe and sound from Washington DC. Everyone commented on how well the Fjords were behaved and wanted to be sure that they were represented next time. Because of the constant waiting (We were mounted for 8 hours in the rain), and the commotion many of the horses had to be tranquilized and still were unruly. Amy and Hannah would not drink the local water because of the strong chlorine smell in the water from the tap. The entire week we had to provide them with bottled water from the Walmart ($$$). These are the same horses that would battle to the death over a morsel of hay buried in a manure pile. CSPAN had the best coverage, really zoomed in on the Fjords for a few seconds. Our group had 39 riders ranging from 5 to 85 years old. ABS World News approached us after the parade and filmed some coverage, but I am unaware if it was ever aired. The "peaceful" protesters portraied by the press were not that all peaceful. Many of the horse vans were vandalized and tires were slashed. Luckily our driver stayed with his rig and was uneffected. Thanks to all the list members, for their kind comments posted. Carol Fellers
Re: Member database
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve McIlree wrote: > This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Steve-- > > Tuesday, January 23, 2001, you wrote: > > > It seems like the response for a member's database/profile has been > > pretty good! What do you think about getting something like that > > started on the list website. > > OK. Now, how would people like to be able to access it? I'm thinking > maybe by name or email address. Probably want to restrict access to > list members? What data? (1. First name 2. Last Name 3. City 4. > State 5. Number of Fjords 6. Number of horses 7. Memo field). Maybe > something list this with field 7 being free-form text? I'm thinking > making it user maintained, with password protection for changing > data. Password to be chosen by the user when they first enter their > record. Come on folks, help me design what you want and would use. > Feel free to make suggestions. > > -- > Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA > He that would venture nothing must not get on horseback. --Spanish proverb Hi, Just make it simple and user friendly for us semi computer illiterates. Like me. -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: Member database
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve-- Tuesday, January 23, 2001, you wrote: > It seems like the response for a member's database/profile has been > pretty good! What do you think about getting something like that > started on the list website. OK. Now, how would people like to be able to access it? I'm thinking maybe by name or email address. Probably want to restrict access to list members? What data? (1. First name 2. Last Name 3. City 4. State 5. Number of Fjords 6. Number of horses 7. Memo field). Maybe something list this with field 7 being free-form text? I'm thinking making it user maintained, with password protection for changing data. Password to be chosen by the user when they first enter their record. Come on folks, help me design what you want and would use. Feel free to make suggestions. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA He that would venture nothing must not get on horseback. --Spanish proverb
Re: Member database
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve McIlree wrote: > OK. Now, how would people like to be able to access it? I'm thinking > maybe by name or email address. Probably want to restrict access to > list members? What data? (1. First name 2. Last Name 3. City 4. > State 5. Number of Fjords 6. Number of horses 7. Memo field). Maybe > something list this with field 7 being free-form text? My ideas: How about fields for email address and web site too. And a way to browse down through the list in table format. Be able to search by first name, last name, State/Prov, email. Lori
2 evaluations / same time ?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/23/01 12:26:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The Official Motel for the Turlock Horse Show and Evaluation >> Say, HUH ? The Turlock show is offering an evaluation THIS year, one week after the Libby show and evaluation ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Seriously here guys, to get enough people to do BOTH evaluations, cant we split them up just a bit ? No way we could do both, and already commited to do the Libby evaluation this timeis this official ? Lisa
User friendly, not topic strict
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/23/01 12:26:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >If I may be so bold as to make a request -- please, please let us not discuss 1. the election 2. religion 3. abortion 4. gun control 5. homosexuality, 6. racial/ethnic bias 7. class distinctions/divisions, or 8. anything else that demands/reflects deeply held values apart from love of horses and dedication to the Fjord horse. >> While not a terrible idea or anythingwe always do get a bit off track in the winter here on the Fjord list. The thing I like about this list though, is that so far we have NOT imposed strict TOPIC only rules, much to the lists overall benifit, IMHO. Steves mention that the list takes a " good chat around the coffee pot " is a good one, and of course, at times the topics straywe have covered dogs, kids, husbands ( now theres a contraversial subject ) and trucks. We have wandered into the edges of politics, human and animal right issues ect. also. Im not sure that anything said by an individual on a large list would be taken as gospel, or even offending, as its the single person, not a group focas, making their short, often amusing statements. I say, relax, pour another cup of coffee, and the differant threads will all die out and then repeat next winter. To ban all non-Fjord issues here would take away from the fun, friendly banter that this list has enjoyed since its begining. We might try and keep Merec away from that third bowl of Sugar Pops in the morning, though. Lisa Pedersen PS to Jayne : Best not hold in your feelings, dear. I, myself, will never have an ulcer.Lisa
apoligy
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/23/01 12:26:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << here is my apology for opening up the conversation to go in the direction of politics and religion. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do it. I'd rather talk about fjords than politicians any day of the week! Pamela >> Hey Pams ! You didnt even catch my full attention till you brought up a new and very offensive subject. Almond Milk ?Bl ! bet that rates right up there with Lutifisk. Lisa
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2001 #25
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/23/01 12:26:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The Blue Earth show is July 24th & 25th. And speaking of American Evaluation: the Midwest Fjord Horse Club is in the planning stage of having another American Evaluation two days prior to the Blue Earth Show, >> While this is great news, for everyone and the Fjords as a whole, I think that having an evaluation / show in the same two week span as the Woodstock Fjord show, does nothing for people wanting to attend all or most of the breed shows offered. We have discussed this before, on the list, but everyone seems tied somewhat to local festivals / fair, support for the shows, so, can we look at having an off-season evaluation or two, rather than tying into a show ? We discussed this at the Midwest Fjord meeting, and the general impression that I got, was that the evaluations might be done at differant times. I remember the evaluation at Blue Earth, then 2 days of back to back classes hard on horses, and us. Not flaming, but do want to support all Fjord adventures out there, and it seems like now we need to decide where to throw our support in, and what our finances and horses can handle
Re: teething
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> what a concise answer!! thank you mary. i printed it out and will keep it for quinn's teething reference. denise
Re: Member database
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> i vote for it. denise - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:58 AM Subject: Member database > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Steve, > > It seems like the response for a member's database/profile has been > pretty good! What do you think about getting something like that started > on the list website. > > Steve > > Steve and Amy White > Prairieholm Farm > Waterloo, Nebraska > > >
Re: Blue Earth Evaluation and Show
This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I don't know the dates for the Blue Earth show, The Blue Earth show is July 24th & 25th. And speaking of American Evaluation: the Midwest Fjord Horse Club is in the planning stage of having another American Evaluation two days prior to the Blue Earth Show,( July 22 & 23) we need 35-40 horses to make it happen. Sophie Fiedler or myself should be contacted if you would like to have your horse evaluated at this Midwest event. We need to know we have that many people so we can get signed contracts with the Evaluators. Sophie can be contacted thru email [EMAIL PROTECTED] - or office phone (815) 777-6008 Sophie's home phone (815) 777-1575 or fax (815) 777-6016 or you can call me at home (815) 591-3658.
Re: Make mine IVORY (soap that is)
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue Harrison wrote: > This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello again everyone. > Mike...my puter has been in the shop for a week. I missed out on the > digests 15 up to and including 20. Is there anyway you can send them to me? > > Well thank you to whoever mentioned using soap to stop chewing. Storm (the > BRAT) chews on my poor 31 year old mares rump each time she is turned out > with him in the morning. Boy...he does not like the taste of soap! At > first I rubbed ivory soap on her by dipping the bar in a bit of water...did > not go on wellthen I traded the bar soap for palmolive dish > soapvoila.soapy bum and no more bite...after the first one that is. > LOLLOL. h wonder which flavour tastes worsecommments anyone? We > have had 2 other geldings that would chew this same rump...must be the > flavour.VBG. Hi Sue, I'm glad to hear you are figuring out how to be smarter than the Brat. (Maybe you better rename him) LOL You should keep all of these little tales about Storm and write a book. I bet it would make the best seller list in no time flat. It would be a good children's book, maybe. Take lots of pictures too. -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: thank you
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thank you michele. the helmet cover and lead line arrrived yesterday. two very handy things! denise
Re: Make mine IVORY (soap that is)
This message is from: "Teressa Kandianis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Nina in her terrible twos also seems to be continually on the lookout for something to destroy. She mutilated our floating heater that was in the trough during a brief cold spell. And it was secured fairly well. At first she apparently couldn't free it up so somehow managed to get the extension cord instead and bit through that in a few places. The next day, she - possibly with help from Merit - managed to detach the heater from its cord and then spent a few hours treating it like a stall ball - she abandoned it after it resembled something that had been run over by a semi. Now she's managed - again somehow - to pull a lawn chair across the deck in front of the barn (the pole fence in front isn't hot) through the pole fence so the front legs are on the ground. Now the vinyl strapping that forms the seat have been chewed and pulled into tatters. When she's on this kind of tear, cleaning the barn out and letting her watch only results in her playing a game of destroy the muck cart. She puts both fronts into it so that it bangs down on its front lip. Then she tries to move the cart with her feet still in it - often flattening the tires in the process. Thankfully, since I've been using pellets for bedding, the two of them rarely use the barn for a potty so I don't need anything but a muck bucket to clean it out. For some reason, she hasn't decided to destroy the muck bucket yet. And most of the time, she initiates her destructo mode when something else isn't going her way. A typical two year old! On the other hand, she minds really well for doing feet, leading, lunging or free work in the round pen. The last lessons were to try to get her to go counter clock wise as she absolutely refused to go anyway but clockwise. The lesson went okay - I had her reluctantly walking a little bit the right way and then ended it so we'd end on a positive note...but when I put her in the pen the next time, she went and stood by the rail facing counterclockwise and looked at me as if to say, no need for a lesson, I've got it down. She worked just fine in either direction - though I haven't figured out yet how to have her turn and go the other way without walking up to her and moving her with her halter. I have the list to thank for advice on getting them to respect my space - otherwise, all these antics wouldn't be amusing as they'd be using the same ingenuity to play with me. We people seem to be off limits though our apparel and tools when detached from our person are fair game. As a youthful horse lover, my dream was always the beautiful arab with slender legs and delicate face. As an adult, my actual decision to buy a horse was because I could buy a fjord and the fjord could do anything, would be easier for me to care for, and would be loving, gentle, and people magnets. I wonder if I would have ever become a horse owner at all without this breed that is perfect for me. I love that when quarter horse people or others who want to downplay the abilities of the fjord have to hear me tell about fjords that win reining events and fjords that are in upper level dressage and so on. Many people in the horse world love the showing and competing and training but there are also even more who want a horse that can be ridden even by tall and big people, can be driven, can jump, isn't easily spooked, is good around kids and crowds, can pull a log or plow a field, is an easy keeper, has a warm and loving personality and is beautiful to boot. I don't think that is average or mediocre - I think the fjord is a superior horse and possibly without compare in this arena. And there are those whose conformation and inclination (both of their own and of their owner) takes them to high levels in horse sports. Probably a few more who could go there if they had motivated owners. I, for one, couldn't have chosen a breed that would do this for me if there were no fjords or if fjords were turned into something else. I'd probably still be dreaming about horses instead of being owned by two. Unfortunately, for all of us to hear about these guys and to make others appreciate them, competition offers the only path. So I also want those breeders and owners who are good at this sort of stuff to continue to have fjords that possess the gold medal capability - and to go out and win a few. Committees may be a slow and sometimes combative way of arriving at consensus so it shouldn't be surprising that these opinion differences crop up now and again. I think it shows the system is working. Congratulations to everyone whether on or off this list who have contributed to me being able to own the two perfect horses for our family - thanks to Hallie Sanders who produced them for me. Sorry to be long winded. Teressa from sunny northwest Washington.
Good breeding studs
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] After a lifetime of being in the horse world and years of being int he Fjord world I have to agree that a lot of people do not know how to recognize a good horse and because of this have found value in the evaluations or at least in a record of show or performance in a farm setting where the horse is a good working animal. I kind of thought that most people would have a philosophy like mine, pointing out super quality foals vs average, but have found that that is not the case. I also found that many horse buyers do NOT take the time to learn about conformation as it applies to the horse's use and or suitability. I have been deeply disappointed by this but I guess everyone is not a horse fanatic like I am. In my original plans I had wanted to campaign my stallion just as some many owners of good stallions out there have, but life dealt me some pretty heavy duty cards all at once and was not able to financially swing what I wanted to. Perhaps there is still a chance. Many times I thought of selling my stud to some one who had the wherewithal to follow that path but it was a matter of the heart I didn't. I wanted to raise just a few really good family Fjords, suitable for show, or for farmwork, and I have done so. Most of all, I just really love my horse--selfishly, for my own joy. I always justified myself by saying, well there are plenty of really great stallions out there and so I can play with mine and not worry about it--and I generally send mare owners to these other stallions. I have had the good fortune of owning many exquisitely beautiful horses, some sport horses that were grandsons and granddaughters of horses such as Secretariat and Man O War. I bought these horses from people who def did not know what they had--not only in bloodlines but in superior performance capabilities. In some cases, I was able to sell these horses to farms which had the wherewithal to set them up and boy did they excell, not only that, producing get which they sold for many times the price of the mare I sold them. One of the things which has suprised me though is how many mare owners have passed up some great Fjord stallions because==hey--they are not the color they want. Whoa, with a disposition, evaluation and show record like these horses have it could be a purple horse and I would take it. But that is how many people are. Even though I was unable to carry out my dreams for my horse (so far) I am glad to see that so many have. I have had a lot of vicarious pleasure watching a few of my favorite Fjord heroes out there excelling at one thing or another and really enjoy the "Brag Alert" posts--keep em coming. I think Mike hit the nail on the head when he said, "If you do not know much about Fjord conformation or even just good equine conformation, and you are looking at a horse, take some one along who does!" But also keep in mind that you have to make the final decision which horse is right for you! Misha
Re: teething
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Denise Delgado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Denise Delgado" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > listers, > i have a horse question. just horses, nothing > else. > please tell me when fjords teethe. Denise, I'm not a vet, but I think I can give you at least a little guideline to go by here - having raised a few foals over the past 12 years. Horses, like humans, lose their baby teeth gradually - over several years. The first to be replaced are the center front(top and bottom) teeth, at around 2 years old. The next year(3rd year) the next tooth on each side of center(4 teeth altogether) are replaced. Next year(4th year) they do the next set of four. And the fifth year they get 'canines' in the bar area of the mouth - if they are going to grow them. (Not to be confused with those nasty wolf teeth which grow in right next to the first molar). This can really make them fussy about the bit until they learn how to let go of the bit without banging it on their new canine teeth. Cutting canines also makes them go through a stage of really disliking the bit(while their gums are swollen just prior to the tooth erupting). Add to this the replacement of baby molars, and the growth of adult molars, and you have 'teething' going on until a horse is somewhere between five and six years old. Any time a young horse became 'mouthy', began to chew things, or suddenly had a problem with a bit he was used to, the first thing I did was look in his mouth to see whether he had loose teeth or a tooth partially pushed out that was interfering with his comfort in some way. Hope this helps. Vets, do you have better info to add, please? Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Member database
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, It seems like the response for a member's database/profile has been pretty good! What do you think about getting something like that started on the list website. Steve Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
Re: Make mine IVORY (soap that is)
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:25 AM 1/23/01 -0400, you wrote: Hello again everyone. Mike...my puter has been in the shop for a week. I missed out on the digests 15 up to and including 20. Is there anyway you can send them to me? You will have to ask Steve on that one Sue. I don't manage the list.
Make mine IVORY (soap that is)
This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello again everyone. Mike...my puter has been in the shop for a week. I missed out on the digests 15 up to and including 20. Is there anyway you can send them to me? Well thank you to whoever mentioned using soap to stop chewing. Storm (the BRAT) chews on my poor 31 year old mares rump each time she is turned out with him in the morning. Boy...he does not like the taste of soap! At first I rubbed ivory soap on her by dipping the bar in a bit of water...did not go on wellthen I traded the bar soap for palmolive dish soapvoila.soapy bum and no more bite...after the first one that is. LOLLOL. h wonder which flavour tastes worsecommments anyone? We have had 2 other geldings that would chew this same rump...must be the flavour.VBG. I plastered every bitter thing and hot thing on her I could think of and nothing worked. Both the other geldings were sold much to her relief. Storm was also backing into the page wire fence to scratch his rump. I strung a hot wire across and it is still up...lord I would have loved to seen when he first backed into thatLOL He is like a two year old kidwhat can I get into next? Someone mentioned leaving the barn door open while I cleaned him out...letting him numb around the wheelbarrow etc...I did that and that particular day I did it, he had on no halter.I shut him out, leaving the top doorhalf open, but left the bottom doorhalf closed and hooked...so he could see but not touch. He worked away trying to undo the snap holding the door shut.. and all of a sudden bang...he went and got the top half leaning against the barn and slammed it shut and stalked offleaving me in the dark literally. What a character...it acted just like he knew what he was doing and did it on purpose. Could they be that smart?? Well tata for now, having a beautiful but cold day here in New Brunswick, Sue, (Desert Storm's mom)
Re: Inclusion of European-Bred/Evaluated Stallions
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 05:39 PM 1/22/01 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does this mean that stallions like Gjest, Marnix, Felix, Hostar, Flotren, to name a few, won't appear .. Yes that is correct. I don't think any of them will be in the book (except maybe in a pedigree) European grading .. surely acceptable to the NFHR? and those evaluated here? Now perhaps not all the stallions that ARE here, having been imported, went through an evaluation (imported too young?) so perhaps they should be required to do so I don't think any of the horses you listed above have been through a NFHR Evaluation. The Record book is a Record of the NFHR Evaluations not a record of every horse that has ever been evaluated anywhere. That would be a pretty hefty book I would think. It certainly wouldn't be available for $25.00 .. but if a horse of Flotren or Felix's quality which ranked as high as they did in a formal evaluation isn't to be included, because it wasn't bred here? No not because it wasn't bred her at all. Because it wasn't Evaluated in the system that the book is reporting on. There will be foreign stallions & mares in the book. Konggard for one that I can think of off the top of my head will be because he was evaluated in the NFHR system. Perhaps someone can set me straight on the rationale here .. ?? gently please! Hope this helped. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
