Icelandic imports
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Merek, I think I am dealing with a very reputable horseman from Rekjavik(spelling?) by the name of Anders Hansen of Arbakki Farms. He has one of the largest horse farms over there. He sent me a bill of sale, pedigree and pictures of the horses and told me he would take care of them until I was able to have them imported, which was back in the spring of 1999. I am just now able to do that and he has been quite accommodating. Of course, the fact he may be a cousin probably helped! Thank you for your info about importing. Can you tell me anything about how well they train or their temperaments. I have heard they have good personalities. Lesa
Re: lurkers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol, My 12 acres is in the town of Lemonweir, 15 minutes NW of the Dells and 15 minutes SW of Castle Rock Lack, 5 minutes out of Mauston. We really like it there. I have to laugh about people leaving their lights on. I lock my doors no matter what! I do find people to be a little different up there. I guess they can tell I'm from the city. Lesa
Re: ice skate
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/5/01 10:29:50 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Where it rained buckets last night, then froze today and now I have a lake in > > the yard, Want to come ice skate? > > Stevensville, Mt 70 degrees here today and my friends just cleaned out their pool. Nope, I'm not coming. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: Warning it's a trap!
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Misha-- Sunday, February 04, 2001, you wrote: > Hey don't even think about unsubscribing to this list. First of all > learn from me. You can't do as I did and just request it in a post, > You have to notify the listmaster. I just figured that anyone who could use the word "brachygnathia" could figure out the correct way to unsubscribe from the list. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA People may talk of first love--but give me the flush, and triumph, and glorious sweat of a first ride. --George Borrow(1803-1881)
Re: Message for Teresa Sanders
This message is from: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Carol, I really am still here! Haven't a clue as to why the email bounced back to you unless my box was too full or something, but if that was the case it should have told you. I am not in the roster but my number is 208-265-2318, or on the weekends we are always out at Quad-L Ranch with Chip 208-263-3344. I did post to the list, it wasn't very elegant or especially literate but I hope my thoughts count for something. I hope it helps. Thanks, Teresa Sanders Sandpoint, Id - Original Message - From: Arthur Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Message for Teresa Sanders I answered your email, but it was returned to me. So, I tried again, but again it came back. Also tried to find your phone number in the Roster without success. If you'd like to talk, you can email me, or call.
Re: UN subscribing
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 02/05/2001 1:08:31 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Please take my words of warning and advice. A: Don't unsubscribe B: If > you do, DON'T let anyone know Except the listmaster that you are > unsubscribing. Just back away slowly and see if you can make a clean > break with the least amount of damage. > > "back to hell" Misha Misha, You had me rolling on the floor... Your whole post was hilarious but truthful. We need more people like you ;) Lou Check out our website http://hometown.aol.com/dbldayfarm/index.html DoubleDay Farm - Paint & Miniature Horses
Re: lurkers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/5/01 5:47:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I have read the list for about two years and posted messages in the past but I guess I never introduced myself formally. My name is Lesa Bauman and I live in Batavia, Illinois (age 33). I have two children, Roy 14 and Jessica 11. We enjoy our five pomeranians right now and all there little antics. I have two Iclandic ponies in Iceland who are to come over in April. If anyone can give me advice on that process I would appreciate it or if you know anything about Icelandics. One can always read but any advise should help. I will be attending the Midwest Fjordhorse Clinic and hope to get to know some of you there. I really enjoy reading the list and all the different opinions expressed here. I also like all the other information one can learn about other countries here! >> Can't really offer any help on the process, other than it took quite a bit of time and trouble 8 years ago when I had this done by a dealer, but I guess its faster now. I dumped the mare who was brought over, as they seem to consider a dirty white horse a palominc, and never sent a Polaroid before she got here. I did keep her baby, as she was bred before leaving Iceland, and he has worke dout reasonably well, for a horse. Merek
Re: Funny Bizness
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh Misha, I had to laugh, How do you think I justified buying a Fjord, to my husband ( who wasn't addicted to horses at that point) I just pointed out all the money he had spent in our married life on , just another collector fire arm, or that guided hunting trip Oh and don't forget the tears, I saved that for last, " you sound like you don't want me to have this horse" WAHHH Anyway, I didn't tell him I had already kinda made the deal, I let it seem like his decision LOL ( that's what happens when I go to Sandpoint, Idaho area without hubby) I have Opal for that one, then I kinda slid Tone' in on the " But she's SUCH a good deal" then Gracie came when he was out of town working for the forest service for two months (teach him to leave me with 4 kids ) LOL had to laugh Michele Noonan
Re: The Fjord Horse's Future/Past
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoted/wrote: > > > culling out any one trait can have unforseen genetic > > consequences, which may not become apparent for many generations. > > IMHO, it's safer NOT to funnel everyone down the same path. > > Would this apply even to cryptorchirds and parrot mouths? Wouldn't > it be safer to do what can be done to prevent such genetic > deformities from being introduced into the gene pool? The scientist in me believes that the correct answer is "I don't know". No one does, until either the horse genome is completely mapped (including all the non-expressed recessives, and all the traits on all the genes), or we try the experiment. And, if the result of the experiment is OOPS! (like the calm = piebald foxes), then what? However, my pragmatic side thinks that cryptorchidism is probably a "safe target" for inspection and culling. Detection is easy---almost any lay person can figure out where to look, and can count to two. On this issue, I'd be mostly concerned with how the rule is implemented. If it is merely decreed that all stallions must immediately be inspected, period, paragraph, there will likely be "political" problems. I'd rather see it start out educational---an article in the Herald on how this trait causes problems, and why it needs to be kept out of the breed. Then, a reminder that stallions are supposed to have a vet certificate on file. And, a suggestion that mare owners inquire about the certification status of stallions they're interested in using. Give people a chance to buy into the idea, rather than have it abruptly descend from On High! And, give Mike time to work out a sensible way to get the paperwork done! Parrot mouth is a tougher issue. There is a continuum from obviously awful mouth conformation to absolutely perfect bite, which means that there would have to be a threshold set. If a given horse's teeth are perfect, no problem---but hardly anything about horses is absolutely perfect! One problem here is that inspectors need to know HOW to look at the teeth---my amateur try at it (previously documented here) was obviously wrong. Do our Evaluators know the technique---I certainly hope so, but perhaps some of our evaluators-in-training can address what they've been taught about how to check teeth. Do all vets know the technique? A decade ago, I might have answered "of course!", but I have unfortunately had a proof-by-example that there exist multiple general practitioner vets who think they know more about dentistry than they really do. Suppose an animal fails the test due to poor dental maintenance by his owner (past or present)---what allowances are there for a retest after a dentist has had a chance to rectify the problem? Or, what to do about horses that probably wouldn't have passed "naturally", but do pass after dentists "fixed" their mouths? Or ones that have cribbed enough to wear their teeth to the point that the threshold can't be applied? Nope, I think that REGULATING parrot mouth has the potential to cause more political problems than it solves. The breed standard currently sets out ideals, and gives indications of how much to fault varying degrees of malocclusion. IMHO, this issue is definitely a candidate for education, again thru articles in the Herald. It'd also be useful to do a survey. Pick some large herd or gathering, and document their mouth conformations. Is this really a problem that needs solving, or are we merely creating paperwork? Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: 5 mo. old eval
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/5/01 1:08:31 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Can they really tell much at 5 months of age? Cute. You can definitely tell cute. (ROFL) Thanks Gail, That was most informative. LOL I KNEW that much., and its kinda like our kids, ALL of mine are cute!! HAHA I could probably handle the judges pointing out faults in the adult horses, but I'm sure my fur would stand up, if they criticized my babies! G MOMMA BEAR Michele Noonan Where it rained buckets last night, then froze today and now I have a lake in the yard, Want to come ice skate? Stevensville, Mt
Congrats
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congratulations, Catherine and Rune, on your new baby boy! I must point out an oversight, however. This is the "W" year in Norway, so your new guy's name should be "Wombudsman" I know how important it is to you to be ethnically correct. Bye, Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Funny Bizness
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Weird and funny? Oh pulease Ms. McCarthy, how would you like it if I told everyone on this list how long you have been breeding horses? Come on Fjord breeders take that look of shocked innocence off your faces. Haven't you Ever noticed how non-breeder listers will never shake your hands? They may pretend its because they can't bear to put down their lutefisk croissants but we all know that the real reason is that they know where your hands have been! Yes I mean you Peg who used to be such a sweet high class lady who told lovely stories about foals in daisies and now yell right out loud and in public that your vet forgot his rubber vagina! And I seem to remember a number of post discussions this past year about hefting something behind the barn that was not a sack of grain! Let's face it, every darn breeder on this list knows far too much about smegma removal. Now toss that topic out into your typical dinner party crowd and just see how perky the conversation becomes. Lastly, and this is the real crux of the matter here, that guy who was writing this morning about tobacco and firearms and control--we all know what we don't want the ATF to know. Horses are addictive. How many on this list have spent far more on horses than they ever did on alcohol firearms and tobacco? Oh yes, I know all about the hushed deals made behind the concession stands at Libby. I was there! I also know that you Fjord breeders, tired and dirty and sitting in your chair by the fire at the end of the day, steely eyed, (probably because you just realized that the animals on the farm a 'getting more' than you are) are falling asleep thinking not about taxes, or governments, or the price of gas or other vitally important things of life, you are thinking about HORSES and about Your next ride or drive or foal. Well if you all think I am 'funny' just remember, I am one of "us". Back from HellMisha
Re[2]: Intro. from a Lurker (Long)
This message is from: Diana Calder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Monday, February 05, 2001, 12:59:31 PM, Jean Gayle wrote:
JG> Hello Diana and welcome. Sounds like you did a great job of
JG> finding the right horse for you. or is it for your Dad? You may
JG> have some problems there and that is why you can not stop with
JG> just one fjord! Jean
I've already figured that one out! The Fjord-fund is slowly growing
again, though the cart & harness last fall set it back again. It'll
probably be a year or two before I start looking for another fjord,
but I do eventually want at least a team! At the moment, though, it's
just as well that we just have one since it gives us more time and
attention to spend on him - and he sure does soak it all up! The time
that we've spent with Donnie definitely shows - he'll follow either my
dad or myself just about anywhere ("You want me to climb that gravel
pile and stand on top?!? Sure, if you do first! - Want me to go
through that narrow doorway and make a right-angle turn halfway
through? Sure, if you go first! - Want to pony me beside the bike
you're riding? Sure! - Want me to stick my head in the
house's door and tell Diana to come out and play? Sure!").
(And yes, my dad does actually bring Donnie right up the sidewalk,
open the door, and let Donnie stand with his head inside so he can
look up the stairs to the kitchen and nicker for me to come see him!
The only catch is that he has to keep a good grip on Donnie so that he
doesn't decide to come right on in!)
--
Best regards,
Dianamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
responsibility towards breed type, etc.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a quick note. Thought..many Americans are breeding European Warmbloods, inspections and all. Those that don't go through the inspections..tend to go towards the generic "breed associations""American Warmblood", etc, etc.just pick up any magazine that annually lists acknowledged breed organizations in the UScross anything with anything and start a new breed organization for the resulting foal. We took our TB mare and Hanoverian sired foal to an inspectionit was interesting. It also takes the vets working with the breeders, the breeders working with the organizations, the horse owners working with all of the above, as should they all be working together.and don't forget the officials at the show.. Judges..look at the QH and Paints, etc..you know, those breeds that have abilities and bone and feet bred out of them. The judges at shows are responsible for what is winning and what is notfill in the blanks here, folks.just go watch a breed English or Western Pleasure class.don't forget the halter classes Sorry, I digress.. The judges at the Fjord shows need to maintain their standards, regardless of which Fjord organization any particular Fjord was bred under. Just thoughts for the equation. I am a firm believer in cooperation, and all the greys that come between black and white. There is an answer out there, it will just take a lot of good minds coming together with good thoughts, from all sides of the table. I am not so sure about breeding out all those bad qualities in horses..what do you think supports my Fjord habit?!!??? Yes, I am grinning like a maniac now We do see, however, a lot of generic traits that would make these (any breed) horses better off without them.as any veterinarian can testify to, or the spouse of the veterinarian, or their staff, etc. I love the controversial subjects on this listpeople are thinking.cups of coffee are being set down quickly and repeatedly on the computer tablesmessy cleanup, but great thought provokers! Keep up the good work, All! Carole SweetModesto, CA pswhere Nattmann sweats like a stuck pig in this warm afternoon heat, but isn't ready to shed his hair yet.I tried!
[no subject]
This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >*** Diana... I have a 13.1 mare for sale that does not get any action on the >sales list. But the Fjords I had listed at 15 hand had about 10 to 20 calls >a piece. I think they are making them big because the market is wanting them >big... (My thoughts on this... I would not mind other people commenting on >this subject.) Hi again everyone...well for me, I am short 5' 3" tall and stocky in build I prefer a heavy built short horse. Storm is now 13.2 hands in front and 14 hands behind. I like either end just fine. LOL He is supposed to mature to 14.2 but I hope not. He is tall enough right now. He has so much personality.right now his big thing is to not let Duchess (32 year old mare) have any water. He keeps heading her off...when he is good and ready he saunters off and she drinks. The water is an overflow barrel from our artesian well and is available all day so I just laugh when he does this, tho hubby has a fit. Last spring, Duchess would stetch out on the ground and get so stiff she had difficulty getting up...not in Storms paddock she don't. She is allowed to roll but just barely. He is on her case to keep her exercised. I guess every cloud has a silver lining. Storm is an agitator and should be in a washing machine but he is keeping the old girl active. When I used to give Duchess Bute last Spring, the only way she would take it was to mix it in molasses and spread the concoction on bread. She loved it. The durn stuff is strawberry flavoured powder. How many horses do you know that eat strawberries? Why the heck would they not flavour Bute with something a horse likes? It sure would make dosing easier. Misha .ROTFLMAO So glad you did not leave. I sure needed a good laugh and you seen that I got one. Thanks...that is what I enjoy most about this list the lighthearted funny stories that you guys come up with. Makes my day. Well so long everyone, from Sue in stormy New Brunswick (Desert Storm's mom)
Re: Any reins?
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks for the suggestion Karen, we'll do that. Ruthie NW MT >This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Ruth, >have you contacted our Sir Dave McWethy @ Camptown Harness??? >great harness!! > >Karen >- > >>>This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Gene wanted me to post that he's looking for a good buy on a set of >reins >>for a lead team for a 4-up hitch. anyone have extras or know >of an >>outlet? Thanks much! >> >>So glad you're back Misha! Thanks. >> >>Ruthie, NW MT >> >> > >_ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >
Re: lurkers
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Carol, > > I have 12 acres in WI and plan on moving there in about two years so I will > be known as a cheesehead sometime soon too! > > Lesa Hi Lesa, Where in WI is the 12 acres? Trust me you will not miss the whole northern IL area. We moved north gradually. We also spent 23 years in Waukesha. And it is not so nice there either, now. Too many people and subdivisions and all that goes with it. City people moving to the country and then expecting all the services of the city. We always laughed at the new subdivisions were everyone left their outdoor lights on all night. I always said they were afraid of the dark. -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: New sleigh
This message is from: "katy/liz/bill/cha/afa/eda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Hi List, >>OK I will fess up to what I've been doing with Heidi, if you all promise >>not to jump down my throat about all that safety S--T. I extend her >>traces on her light driving harness with baling twine, hook on a single >>tree and tie my plastic toboggan on to that. Then I put my rubbermaid >>step stool in the toboggan and go for one heck of a ride on our drive. Hehe, I can relate. A few days ago, after I finished watching a polo match match with my riding instructor (it was really fun!!), we saddled up her appaloosa pony Petunia and we went for a ride. One girl rode the pony, while we rode in a plastic sled behind attached to the girth by two lunge lines. We rode around the ring. it was great fun. Katy Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:5 mo. old eval
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/5/01 1:08:31 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Can they really tell much at 5 months of age? Cute. You can definitely tell cute. (ROFL) Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: Warning it's a trap!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I myself enjoy a heavy dose of sarcasm. Suzan
Re: lurkers
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dear list, > > I have read the list for about two years and posted messages in the past but > I guess I never introduced myself formally. My name is Lesa Bauman and I > live in Batavia, Illinois (age 33). I have two children, Roy 14 and Jessica > 11. We enjoy our five pomeranians right now and all there little antics. I > have two Iclandic ponies in Iceland who are to come over in April. If anyone > can give me advice on that process I would appreciate it or if you know > anything about Icelandics. One can always read but any advise should help. > I will be attending the Midwest Fjordhorse Clinic and hope to get to know > some of you there. I really enjoy reading the list and all the different > opinions expressed here. I also like all the other information one can learn > about other countries here! > > Lesa in cold, flat and slippery Illinois! Welcome Lurker Lesa. I was raised in Northern Il and lived in the Chicago area for a number of years so know all about flat Illinois. BTW you are known as Flatlanders. As we in WI are called Cheeseheads. -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: The Fjord Horse's Future/Past
This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps some of the newcomers to the breed could use a tutorial in the > history of Fjord politics in North America. At present, there are 6 > "classes" of Fjords in North America. > > 1. Those registered with the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry (NFHR). > 2. Those registered with the Norwegian Fjord Association of North >America (NFA, or NFA-NA; despite the name, it's a US registry). > 3. Those registered with the Fjord Breeder's Association (FBA). > 4. Those registered with the Canadian registry. > 5. Those registered with various European organizations. > 6. Unregistered Fjords and Fjord-crosses. > > Why so many registries within the US? Because every time the > "dominant" registry tried to suddenly tighten the registration > requirements, some of the breeders who disagreed would "spin off" and > form a new registry! NFA tried to limit the use of poorly-documented > "Foundation" stock, and NFHR was formed. NFHR started to require > blood-typing to document parentage, and FBA was formed. Some US > breeders got so disgruntled with these splits, that they registered > all of their stock in Canada (which by law can only have one registry > for any single breed). Some chose not to register their stock at all, > and some couldn't get together the paperwork needed to meet the new > requirements. Plus, anyone in NFA or NFHR (not sure about FBA) who > crossbred his Fjord ended up with a "de-registered" Fjord. This history is both interesting and helpful in understanding the current situation. > My belief is that NFHR Fjords are currently good animals, and will probably stay that way. I think this is a key issue. Can or should the NFHR do anything it's not doing now to help with this objective? > I'm of the opinion that the NFHR's first priority should be to reunify > the breed within the US. There is a move afoot to merge NFA back into > NFHR---it's moving slowly, but still viable. Education, of both the > breeders and the public, as to what is a good Fjord (as well as how to > produce and market one), is also high on my list. I feel that making > it harder to breed (by requiring more paperwork, or more restrictions) > is merely going to push more breeders away from NFHR. Fjords are > still a small breed in North America, and I do not consider further > "Balkanization" to be in the best interests of the breed! Given the history of the breed registries in North America, as you outlined it, this does appear to be a danger. All the more reason for the board to be creative in crafting ways to help maintain the breed standards. They all have far more experience than I could ever hope to accumulate! >As I previously > posted, culling out any one trait can have unforseen genetic > consequences, which may not become apparent for many generations. > IMHO, it's safer NOT to funnel everyone down the same path. Would this apply even to cryptorchirds and parrot mouths? Wouldn't it be safer to do what can be done to prevent such genetic deformities from being introduced into the gene pool? Mike Mike and Cindy Bickman Stepping Stone Farm Canton, Georgia
Re: Warning it's a trap!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/5/01 1:27:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > On the other hand, I could offer to unsubscribe, and make EVERYONE's > Merek, you DO have your moments. But you add to the spice in this stew. It wouldn't make my day, and I think at least Lisa feels the same! Pamela
Re: lurkers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear list, I have read the list for about two years and posted messages in the past but I guess I never introduced myself formally. My name is Lesa Bauman and I live in Batavia, Illinois (age 33). I have two children, Roy 14 and Jessica 11. We enjoy our five pomeranians right now and all there little antics. I have two Iclandic ponies in Iceland who are to come over in April. If anyone can give me advice on that process I would appreciate it or if you know anything about Icelandics. One can always read but any advise should help. I will be attending the Midwest Fjordhorse Clinic and hope to get to know some of you there. I really enjoy reading the list and all the different opinions expressed here. I also like all the other information one can learn about other countries here! Lesa in cold, flat and slippery Illinois!
Re: Future of the fjord & the registry flavor of the month
This message is from: Joel Harman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why not talk about "the rest of the story" if we are going to start in on this bit of history? NFHR started after some line bred horses were accepted for registry in NAFA while others weren't. Why line bred? Small # of horses available in N America. Breeder B (no names here folks) gets mad & takes their marbles elsewhere & starts NFHR. Someone decides bloodtyping is best thing since sliced bread. Rumor has it it tells one who it isn't -not who it is. Breeder B sells horses that don't bloodtype so no NFHR registry for those horses. Major headaches. Breeder B takes marbles & starts FBA-no bloodtype requirement. NFHR decides to go to DNA typing. Good thing. Even though DNA shows correct parentage some of breeder B's horses some still encounter problems with getting horses registered because they were mis-identified upon leaving breeder B's care. Sound familiar folks? This is like that branch of your uncle's family that doesn't get talked about much. Joel Harman
Re: The Fjord Horse's Future
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" wrote: > This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 12:26 PM 2/5/01 -0500, you wrote: > >This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Here's my two cents worth on a topic some of you don't want to hear about -- > > Thank you for a well thought out post Michael. I will forward it to the > BOD so they can all read it too. I will comment on a couple of the things > you said but not all. > > >This is a special breed of horse > > No argument with that one! ;-) > > >Is education enough? In my opinion, no. That's why there is currently a > >requirement (a "rule" if you will) in the NFHA (if I understand a recent post > >correctly) for vet certifications to accompany stallion reports. > > Not exactly Michael. That is what started the whole Teeth & Testicles > thread. Currently the Vet Certificate is only required to 1. have your > horse (any sex) Evaluated & 2. to have your stallion listed in the Fjord > Herald Stallion list. > > >That's why > >there's a NFHA rule (again, if I understand a recent post correctly) of not > >registering any of a stallion's foals if its bred to another breed of horse. > > This is very true. In fact the stallion can lose his registration > completely for it. > > >What more can the NFHA do? I think that's for the directors to decide. If > >requiring a certification for teeth and testicles helps, I think they should > >require it. But with some creative thinking, I hope they can do more. > > That very topic is on the agenda for the next BOD meeting right now. > > Mike > > === > > Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry > Mike May, Registrar > Voice 716-872-4114 > FAX 716-787-0497 > > http://www.nfhr.com > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, First I must admit that I've not sponged up all this registration stuff. But perhaps the Fjord registry should look at the Jack Russell Terrier Club of America and all the requirements they have to get a JR registered. They do have a very nice web site that will give you tons of information. I have a registered female and she had one litter. I suspected that one of the pups was not right. I showed him twice as a pup. He is a perfect example of a good JR. At the second show, I had his hearing tested. Just as I thought. He is deaf in one ear. So that ended his career as a potential stud dog and off with his lucky stones. But he is a wonderful pet and can still compete in racing and other trials. He is not registered, of course. Well so much for my rambling and I know we cannot compare dogs to horses. -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: The Fjord Horse's Future
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 12:26 PM 2/5/01 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here's my two cents worth on a topic some of you don't want to hear about -- Thank you for a well thought out post Michael. I will forward it to the BOD so they can all read it too. I will comment on a couple of the things you said but not all. This is a special breed of horse No argument with that one! ;-) Is education enough? In my opinion, no. That's why there is currently a requirement (a "rule" if you will) in the NFHA (if I understand a recent post correctly) for vet certifications to accompany stallion reports. Not exactly Michael. That is what started the whole Teeth & Testicles thread. Currently the Vet Certificate is only required to 1. have your horse (any sex) Evaluated & 2. to have your stallion listed in the Fjord Herald Stallion list. That's why there's a NFHA rule (again, if I understand a recent post correctly) of not registering any of a stallion's foals if its bred to another breed of horse. This is very true. In fact the stallion can lose his registration completely for it. What more can the NFHA do? I think that's for the directors to decide. If requiring a certification for teeth and testicles helps, I think they should require it. But with some creative thinking, I hope they can do more. That very topic is on the agenda for the next BOD meeting right now. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Steve's advice/EPM
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sandra, > BTW, why has this information about cats being kept so quiet? Probably because they don't want to start a panic and have everyone destroying their cats. It has not been shown that cats will transmit EPM to horses. Who knows where they will find it next. Just practice good barn management.. Keep grain in covered trash cans, not open bags. Also, try to keep your hay stored where it won't be used as a litter box for opossums, raccoons, cats, etc. (I know, very difficult) and cover with tarps. > I've read where vaccines for WNV are being developed and don't > researchers know less about WNV than they do about EPM? No. WNV has been around for a long time and the life cycle has been worked out. In general, it is easier to make a vaccine to a virus than a protozoa, so I expect that they will have a WNV vaccine before long. Now that the virus has hit the United States there is good economic incentive for the companies to produce a vaccine. Sad but true that that is what it takes to get things done. Steve Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
Re: Warning it's a trap!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the other hand, I could offer to unsubscribe, and make EVERYONE's day on the list. Merek
Re: Questions about evaluations and vaccines
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:27 AM 2/5/01 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone, now that we are on to other topics, (yippee) I posted a while back about the advantages of taking a mainly broodmare to an evaluation, Since she won't be doing much in the way of showing, (I explained in the last post why) and she is soon to be 11, And I am only 4 hours from Libby, would you more experienced people go thru the trouble and expense of taking this mare? I would think your breeding animals would be very important to get Evaluated. If you don't use her for performance type stuff then just do the conformation test. At least you will get a good idea of what sort of things you should be looking for in the stallion you would use to breed to. Also what about weanlings? Can they really tell much at 5 months of age? Well this has always been a topic for discussion for sure. It shouldn't certainly be the only time you ever have them evaluated. They do change while growing we all know that. I do think you can get at least a good idea though on say whether or not you should geld a stud colt. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any reins?
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ruth, have you contacted our Sir Dave McWethy @ Camptown Harness??? great harness!! Karen - This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gene wanted me to post that he's looking for a good buy on a set of >reins for a lead team for a 4-up hitch. anyone have extras or know >of an outlet? Thanks much! So glad you're back Misha! Thanks. Ruthie, NW MT _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Vaccines
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jon & Mary Ofjord wrote: > Peg could you elaborate on this for me? I've not heard anything negative > about the ivermectin group of dewormers, only the moxidectin based > products.Inquiring minds want to know. There is a current feeling that both ivermectin and moxidectin are hard on horses because they so effectively wipe out worms that they leave the horse's systems unchallenged, hence likely to become lax and let in other intruders (such as coccidia). Kind of similar to antibiotics upsetting the balance of nature. My vet told me that since ivermectin has become popular, they have seen a *huge* increase in coccidiosis in cattle. Also I've heard it said that these wormers contribute to leaky gut syndrome (which I don't know if I believe in) which is purported to be a cause of all number of bad things. No one knows for sure though. I still think that rotating wormers, picking up paddocks, and perhaps doing fecals to see if you need to worm is a good approach. I don't use moxidectin at all - due to poor packaging that allows you to easily give too much. Also my vet says not to give it to preg mares, so I don't give it to anyone. I do use ivermectin in the fall as a boticide and at other times as well. I think the general trend is to be very mindful of what chemicals we are giving and whether they are really necessary. Lori
Re: Stallion Influence - Question for Mike May
This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Mike for both the computation and your comments. Mike Mike and Cindy Bickman Stepping Stone Farm Canton, Georgia - Original Message - > -- > > Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 15:27:58 -0500 > From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Stallion Influence - Question for Mike May > > Ok I did some counting and here is what I found: > > I found that I have 144 Stallion Reports with at least 1 mare bred on them. > > I counted 480 mares bred total. > > So 480/144 = 3.33 > > So we are not all that far off I guess. > > I will have to say that there are some stallions that have a fair amount of > influence though. There are probably 10 or so (I didn't count these) that > have more than 1 page of mares. There are 6 mares to a page. > > ===
Re: Fjord size
This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lauren Sellars said:> >I beleave that the increasing height of fjords is due to better food and >care. I have several 14.3 hh horses coming out of breeding two 14 hh horses.> Lauren-I have to argee with you here. I was just thinking the same thing only a few moments ago. I believe the horses are getting bigger quite possibly to better nutrition and also space. I'm not saying the Europeans didn't take care of their horses, but they didn't have the space in Norway, like we do here. We, as people, are generally taller than our counterparts a century ago too. Also, the same thing happens with fish. If you have a five gallon aquarium and say keep a goldfish in it - it will remain a certain size to fit that tank. If you move that fish to a 55 gallon tank - boom - the fish grows larger. Most of our Fjords are taller than their sires, by the way. I have a 14.3 mare that I have to really stretch to get on, but I can more readily mount my 14.HH mare. There's something to be said for riding shorter horses - I've learned that in my old age. Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords (who is sitting home with pneumonia and catching up on all our emails - that's why I have so many posts today!)
Re: The Fjord Horse's Future/Past
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a special breed of horse -- it's available to us in North > America with its admirable qualities primarily because of the work > done over many years by the Norwegian and Dutch Fjord associations > and their members I suspect that the previous 2000 years of the animal's history had something to do with it, too. Fjords had to be hardy, smart, and calm, to make it thru the long Norwegian winters---outdoors at first, then barned all winter as agriculture became more prevalent. They also had to be generalists---doing all types of work, as needed for raiding, trading, farming, etc. The control by the European registries has only been in the last 100 years or so---a relatively short portion of the animal's history. > I think we should focus on what's best for the breed. The issue for > "controls" or "rules" should be what will their effect be upon the > breed and upon our enjoyment of it? Perhaps some of the newcomers to the breed could use a tutorial in the history of Fjord politics in North America. At present, there are 6 "classes" of Fjords in North America. 1. Those registered with the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry (NFHR). 2. Those registered with the Norwegian Fjord Association of North America (NFA, or NFA-NA; despite the name, it's a US registry). 3. Those registered with the Fjord Breeder's Association (FBA). 4. Those registered with the Canadian registry. 5. Those registered with various European organizations. 6. Unregistered Fjords and Fjord-crosses. Why so many registries within the US? Because every time the "dominant" registry tried to suddenly tighten the registration requirements, some of the breeders who disagreed would "spin off" and form a new registry! NFA tried to limit the use of poorly-documented "Foundation" stock, and NFHR was formed. NFHR started to require blood-typing to document parentage, and FBA was formed. Some US breeders got so disgruntled with these splits, that they registered all of their stock in Canada (which by law can only have one registry for any single breed). Some chose not to register their stock at all, and some couldn't get together the paperwork needed to meet the new requirements. Plus, anyone in NFA or NFHR (not sure about FBA) who crossbred his Fjord ended up with a "de-registered" Fjord. > I think its inevitable there will be a growing number of Fjords in > North America which will not have the admirable qualities we desire > in Fjords, both conformational and temperamental. As non Fjord > people become exposed to them, they will color their perceptions of > the breed. Most of the non-Fjord folks are unaware where or even if a given Fjord is registered. My belief is that NFHR Fjords are currently good animals, and will probably stay that way. It's the unregistered ones that are most likely to be poor representatives of the breed. That's the main source of crossbreds (although I think the Canadian registry still permits crossbreeding?), which some people think reflects badly on the breed. And, IMHO, anyone who doesn't "bother" to register his animals probably isn't as likely to follow good breeding practices, either. I'm of the opinion that the NFHR's first priority should be to reunify the breed within the US. There is a move afoot to merge NFA back into NFHR---it's moving slowly, but still viable. Education, of both the breeders and the public, as to what is a good Fjord (as well as how to produce and market one), is also high on my list. I feel that making it harder to breed (by requiring more paperwork, or more restrictions) is merely going to push more breeders away from NFHR. Fjords are still a small breed in North America, and I do not consider further "Balkanization" to be in the best interests of the breed! > Why not combine the Canadian and U.S. registries to create a North > American registry I'm under the impression that Canadian law on livestock registries prevents that. Many years ago, before the NFHR had its evaluation system, some of the Norwegian judges would come over to our main Fjord shows (I met them at Libby). At one time, there was an interest in doing Norwegian evaluations of US stallions and mares, for possible re-admission to the Norwegian stud book. From some of the informal conversations that I eavesdropped on, I got the distinct impression that at least some of the Norwegians considered North America to be their "safety reserve". They knew we were unlikely to institute European-style licensing of stallions, so would continue to breed, hence preserve, the wide variety of types of Fjords---some of which had fallen out of fashion in Europe (we do more packing and draft work than they do). If somehow, the Europeans went down the wrong path (as happened once, with the Dolehest fiasco), there would remain a very mixed pool of Fjords over here, from which they could rebuild! As I pre
Re: Vaccines
This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peg Knutson wrote:>We are also wary of de-wormers containing Ivermectin, with the support of >our vet, and only give it once a year for Bots.> Peg could you elaborate on this for me? I've not heard anything negative about the ivermectin group of dewormers, only the moxidectin based products.Inquiring minds want to know. Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords
Any reins?
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gene wanted me to post that he's looking for a good buy on a set of reins for a lead team for a 4-up hitch. anyone have extras or know of an outlet? Thanks much! So glad you're back Misha! Thanks. Ruthie, NW MT
Re: Re:Fort Dodge
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen regarding Fort Dodge, recently on top of his reaction to the sarcoid meds, Charlie developed a cold. I picked up a large bottle of SMZs from my Vet and when I opened it it was obvious there were not 500 at stated on the label. I laboriously counted them and found 320 Instead of bothering the Vet I called the number on the instructions and talked to a heavily accented lady at the reception area. She said she would have the manager call me. Later he did, also having a heavy accent so I placed this producer in Calif. with Spanish accents. The manager was most polite and asked if I knew I was calling Puerto Rico! However just before he called I had decided to call the Vet and let him know the product was short in it's count. Well, is it age or just my paranoia that I was advised that my Vet had only prescribed 300 !! Life's little embarrassing moments. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Intro. from a Lurker (Long)
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Diana and welcome. Sounds like you did a great job of finding the right horse for you. or is it for your Dad? You may have some problems there and that is why you can not stop with just one fjord!Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Fjord Size
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lauren wrote: >>I beleave that the increasing height of fjords is due to better food and care.[...] . I have seen fjords not get the feed they need and been stunted because of it. [...] North America has less depleted soils and therefore can offer a horse a better growing opportunety.>> Well, the days when Fjords were fed with fishbone, straw and tree branches are OVER in Scandinavia too! That was back in the 19th century. We actually feed our horses "what they need" here too I belive;o). The diffrence in height and size between the fjordhorse of today and the fjordhorse of the 1860's might very well partly be due to better food and care, but also to the goals of the breeding (heavier horses were in demand from c. 1860 until after WWII). IF there is a diffrence between the US and Scandinavia/Europe today, I belive there are other reasons than food and care. Perhaps many of the horses of the foundation stock for the breed in America was pretty large or had large horses in their strains? But there are not many fjords as small as 13 hands here in Sweden neither. I'd dare say that most of our horses are 13'3 - 14'3. Many horses here are fed haylage, which generally is pretty high in nutrition. Seems like it's raining all the time nowadays, why putting up enough hay can be problematic. Regards Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082
Re: Warning it's a trap!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Misha, I am very glad you are still with us. I take it with an aspirin and sluff off the disagreeable. We can't get everyone to agree on everything. 6 of one and half a dozen of the other . In the end we all learn from someone. Most are our friends on this list and they try to be of help to us all. Some have open mouths and say nothing others will go to the books or tell what worked for them and help with the answers. I will not hang up my spurs just because of disagreements (my Morna doesn't need them) but with an open mind take in all that is IMHO > in my humble opinion , helpful to my needs. Stay with us. We enjoy and "need "your input to this list. Its nice to read the newbies letters & the stories about their fun Fjords. We all thank Steve again for keeping this list going. OK off my box and on with my reading. Tillie, in central Oregon where the hairs are all over the place from shedding ponies. Spring is near. Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud,Tillie & Amy Evers Redmond OR (541) 548-6018 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: Questions about evaluations and vaccines
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Everyone, now that we are on to other topics, (yippee) > I posted a while back about the advantages of taking a mainly broodmare to an > evaluation, Since she won't be doing much in the way of showing, (I > explained in the last post why) and she is soon to be 11 Hi Michele. The evaluators will make a note of the fact that she is a broodmare, but can only judge what they see on the day of the evaluation. If she is too heavy, or fat, it will be more difficult to judge her movement and can ifterfere with her movement. If her belly is very large and heavy, it might affect the appearance of her topline. You'll want to present her at her best, so I would make sure that your broodmare starts getting some exercise now (or, if she is in foal, asap after she has foaled) to have her fit for the evaluation. If your broodmare was an older mare, I might be a little concerned about starting an exercise program with her, but 11 is not old at all. If she's not used to getting regular exercise, take it slowly (that's why I suggest starting asap.) You certainly have plenty of time before Libby to get her more fit. If you have any more questions, you can e-mail me privately. Beth -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO http://www.starfirefarm.com
Fjord Size
This message is from: "fjords" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I beleave that the increasing height of fjords is due to better food and care. I have several 14.3 hh horses coming out of breeding two 14 hh horses. I have 2 year olds at 14.2 and a yearling already14 hh. I feed the best possible clean grass hay, soaked oats a little rice bran and seaweed. I beleave they are on the best diet I can give them. I certainly would not want otherwise. I have seen fjords not get the feed they need and been stunted because of it. I certainly hope that horses aren't knocked for getting larger. North America has less depleted soils and therefore can offer a horse a better growing opportunety. So don't knock it enjoy it. Lauren Sellars Cawston B.C. Snowy Mtn Fjords www.fjordhorse.net
The Fjord Horse's Future
This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here's my two cents worth on a topic some of you don't want to hear about -- This is a special breed of horse -- it's available to us in North America with its admirable qualities primarily because of the work done over many years by the Norwegian and Dutch Fjord associations and their members, and more recently by several North Americans, some of whom imported top quality stallions to help form the initial stock here and others who also worked to maintain the breed standards. It appears the "quality control" over Fjord (and possibly other) stallions in Europe is in general fairly strict. For example, from reading the posts on this board, it appears an "uncertified" Fjord stallion in the Netherlands cannot be bred to any mares other than ones owned by the stallion owner. This is obviously much stricter than merely refusing registration to an "uncertified" horse. I think the strict controls existing in some countries in Europe, which undoubtedly contributed to the qualities of the Fjords we have today, will not be accepted in North America. Without making a political statement, I think it's something like gun control -- no matter how desirable or undesirable you may find it, the level of its acceptance by Americans is and will continue to be less than it is in Europe. However, Americans do accept more controls than some European countries in areas such as smoking and abortions. As horses aren't guns or tobacco, I think we should focus on what's best for the breed. The issue for "controls" or "rules" should be what will their effect be upon the breed and upon our enjoyment of it? So, with less controls, which is the case now, what will happen? I think its inevitable there will be a growing number of Fjords in North America which will not have the admirable qualities we desire in Fjords, both conformational and temperamental. As non Fjord people become exposed to them, they will color their perceptions of the breed. Not any different than what has happened with many other animals. It's a shame, but it's going to happen. This doesn't mean there will not continue to be many excellent Fjords in North America - I strongly suspect there will be. What can responsible Fjord owners do about this? They can, with the help of the NFHA, try to limit the damage which will be caused over time by educating themselves and others, and by breeding to and purchasing the best stock they can afford given each owner's individual budget. Is education enough? In my opinion, no. That's why there is currently a requirement (a "rule" if you will) in the NFHA (if I understand a recent post correctly) for vet certifications to accompany stallion reports. That's why there's a NFHA rule (again, if I understand a recent post correctly) of not registering any of a stallion's foals if its bred to another breed of horse. Not rules for the sake of rules, but well thought out rules which further the objective of having more Fjords with the desirable Fjord temperament and conformation and less of those without them. What more can the NFHA do? I think that's for the directors to decide. If requiring a certification for teeth and testicles helps, I think they should require it. But with some creative thinking, I hope they can do more. For example, since a vet exam would be needed to certify teeth and testicles, why not have the vet certify other relatively noncontroversial areas as well? (one post mentioned a concern over leg problems). Why not consider methods which could be used to designate, right in the registry itself, those stallions which have bred at least a certain minimum number of foals which have done well in evaluations? Why not make a horse's evaluation part of that horse's entry in the registry? Why not combine the Canadian and U.S. registries to create a North American registry, both to give the resulting registry more clout and to prevent the "back door" registrations some posters are concerned about if the NFHA instituted a vet certification requirement? No doubt, most or all of these ideas aren't workable or will be otherwise unacceptable. But, I hope the board can come up with some that are workable. Some (perhaps most) animal registries are just that, places to register and research lineages, where any offspring of registered animals can be automatically registered, no matter what their faults and no matter what their intended use. These registries certainly have their uses, e,g., educating their members and the general public. The question here is whether the NFHA should follow that model or a model which strives to do more. Mike Mike and Cindy Bickman Stepping Stone Farm Canton, Georgia
Re: little brags
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > They're referred to as "the little potato girls," because of their size > and color. How cute! Never seen a potatoe with a stripe thoughDoes that mean they're grasa fjorda's? Beth -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO http://www.starfirefarm.com
photo address
This message is from: "sandra church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A better address for learning how to send photos to The Horse is: http://www.thehorse.com/freelance_info.html I was told that their photo files are massive but "no fjords" are in their files and they like to keep submissions to interested professionals who would like to continuously submit work. Some of you list folks sounded like professional photographers to me! Sandra in Va. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Stallions and Mares and more
This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When I was first calling around about a Fjord to buy (before Kilar), most of the ones advertised locally (within 300 miles) were smaller. I was willing to take anything over 13.2 but needed something well trained and with lots of experience and most of them were either riding or driving but not both. At that time I thought that most Fjords were in the 13-13.3 range. Since getting Kilar, I have seen lots of bigger Fjords. He is a nice 14.0 barefoot. And I still use a mounting block around the barn because it is easier on both of us than having me tug at the saddle to get on. He was a little confused about it when I got him - would turn to face me whenever I stood on the block, but he caught on quick. Martie in MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Fjords are being bred > increasingly taller (it would be interesting to see the average > height over the years, but I was originally looking for a Fjord on > the low end of the breed "average" and couldn't find ANY less than > 14 or 14.2 hands, and I've only seen two or three listed for sale > since then, while there've been plenty of 14 to 15+ hand ones)."
Re: Warning it's a trap!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/4/01 11:51:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Please take my words of warning and advice. A: Don't unsubscribe B: If you do, DON'T let anyone know Except the listmaster that you are unsubscribing. Just back away slowly and see if you can make a clean break with the least amount of damage. >> Or else just place a block on the listaddress, and you will be dropped once your mails return to the listmaster (I forget who IS actually controlling it) for a period. Merek
Re: lurkers and shedding beasties
This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Glad to see all the newcomers! I noticed that in spite of all the hair that looks like massive shedding, if I use the shedder blade, only a little pile comes off. The main coat is still thick and heavy. I don't think they will be done shedding for a long time. martie in MD - in the rain - but warm
Re: Steve's advice/EPM
This message is from: "sandra church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you for the advice concerning the EPM vaccines. Considering that this vaccine is being marketed without the latest discovery (that the domestic cat can be used as the experimental intermediate host) being considered...well, someone's asking for more ill horses and more lawsuits (IMHO). BTW, why has this information about cats being kept so quiet? I don't want them eliminated (I love my 6 felines) so maybe their part in the life cyle of EPM needs to be researched much more before the news gets out there and cats start disappearing. I've read where vaccines for WNV are being developed and don't researchers know less about WNV than they do about EPM? I have a frozen woodpecker (that I keep forgetting to toss out) that the state lab was not interested in testing for WNV. My friend has a hawk in her freezer...same story because the lab is ONLY testing crows. A positive crow was found about 10 miles from me (all these birds were discovered last fall) so I know WNV is here and we're dreading the return of hot weather. This could really affect the horse industry. Last fall, my 3 year old mini was put down after suffering horribly with seizures. I had a narcopsy (sp?) done. After one week, the lab diagnosed "probably EPM" but after two weeks, the lab diagnosed "actinomycosis". No one has been able to explain to me how he caught a cow disease which is extremely rare in horses. Anyone out there familar with cow diseases? A friend who was a meat inspector for years said that he would come across cows with this "circling disease" and the animal would be immediately destroyed. I haven't been able to enjoy a steak since talking to him. Didn't mean to go on and on but it's incredible what our horses can be exposed to even on the most meticulous farms. Time to go give them a hug and hay Sandra from Va. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Warning : Back to hell
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey don't even think about unsubscribing to this list. Please take my words of warning and advice. A: Don't unsubscribe B: If you do, DON'T let anyone know Except the listmaster that you are unsubscribing. Just back away slowly and see if you can make a clean break with the least amount of damage. "back to hell" Misha Misha: -I am rolling on the floor howling; You are too wierd & funny! I'm clenching my sore ribs,my eyes are watering, but I am still howling uncontrollably, am ignoring remarks from the other room to "keep it down in there", I can't get the damn badger out of my mind, I am shrieking now, the dogs are eyeing me sideways now, I am still howling, I need a kleenex, I need the bathroom...help me, your post is killing me! Those sad little monkey-jawed bunnies are laughing at me now-I am rolling on the floor howling;You are too wierd & funny! I'm clenching my sore ribs,my eyes are awash, but still I laugh, am ignoring remarks from the other room to "shut-up & get over it", I can't get the damn badger out of my hair, I am shrieking now, the dogs are eyeing me sideways, I am still howling,no, I am actually barking !! I need more kleenex, I need the laundryroom...help me, your post is killing me! Those sad little monkey-jawed bunnies are pointing at me now, but they are whispering too: high pitched whiney little voices, and now they are dancing with the badger. Oh Misha, throw some water on me! We are estatic, you are back!! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
frozen semen
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/4/01 8:46:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I'd like to import semen and so start a new bloodline over here. This is new ground for me - has anyone exported Fjord semen ( or even any semen for that matter) to Australia - do you know what hoops I have to jump through and how much I'll all cost? Is there anyone else from Australia sitting round this "virtual table" sucking down coffee? Anyway, enough from me -I'll go back to my cupboard and continue lurking until the next time I emerge with something startling to say (or not)!!! >> Welcome Tom, I was contacted a couple of years ago by a lady from Queensland. She too was interested in importing frozen semen. I had told her that I would check on regulations and expenses since there is a vet near us that does frozen semen. Australia has MEGA rules concerning imported, frozen semen from the US. Apparently, in the past, they must have gotten some semen tainted with venereal disease and they don't want that to happen again. Importing frozen semen is doable, but very costly, since the stallion and his semen have to undergo a battery of tests before it can be shipped to Australia. The lady found that it was far less expensive and less hassle to get it from Canada. GO FIGGER? At any rate, at that point in time, think it would have been cheaper for her to import the whole horse, not just his squigglies! By the way, it has always been our dream to have a vacation in Australia. My husband has been there 3 times when he was on R&R while serving in Viet Nam. He loved your country and has always wanted to return. Said he never had enough time to see and do everything he wanted. GEEZ, maybe we could sell you a horse and we'd just HAVE to accompany it during the flight as grooms! LOL! Good luck. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
Class Sponsors & Ad Space
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fjordings West is looking for Show and Class Sponsors... We also have LIMITED Advertising space available in Our Show Program. (First Come First Served) (This is also an Evaluation Year.) We have 56 classes that need to be sponsored. It is a great time to have your farm mentioned. You get printed in the program and announced... Class Sponsors are $20.00 - FW Members $30.00 - Non Members (It only cost $18.00 to join FW - so why not?) Ads in the program - Member Prices Bus. Card = $20.00 1/2 Page = $35.00 Full Page = $60.00 Non-Members - Bus. Card = $30.00 1/2 Page = $45.00 Full Page = $75.00 Patron Levels = BRONZE = $35-$50 SILVER = $51-$100 GOLD = $101 + Email me for more detail on the Patrons Levels. Thank you for reading. Catherine Lassesen - Fjordings West Show Manager Hestehaven - The Horse Garden 256 May Creek Road Days Creek, OR 97429
heigth and pair
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *** Diana... I have a 13.1 mare for sale that does not get any action on the sales list. But the Fjords I had listed at 15 hand had about 10 to 20 calls a piece. I think they are making them big because the market is wanting them big... (My thoughts on this... I would not mind other people commenting on this subject.) I personally like shorter! :) Osa is 13.2 and Geilo 14.1. That extra 3 inches does make a stretch to mount and trimming his mane is more difficult(I use a step stool). Along those thoughts, we were wondering if you can make a pair out of two such different horses. We've started ground work with Geilo and have visions of pairs harness, 4 wheel carriage that will hold 4 passengers..but before we get too carried away with our dreams, would it be much more difficult than a more evenly matched pair. Geilo also has a longer stride and he's "the boss", won't even let Osa eat from his hay pile etc. They are good buddies though as long as Osa does what Geilo says Jane Maine where we are supposed to get 14 more inches of snow tonightthe snow is too deep already to ride muchI'm ready for spring.
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This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >We are also wary of de-wormers containing Ivermectin, with the support of >our vet, and only give it once a year for Bots. We use Strongid and >Anthelcide. We also use a Pro-biotic before and after vaccination or worming >in recognition of the shock to the horse. Peg...what is wrong with Ivermectin? We use that particular wormer. I know it is dangerous for Border Collies but thought it was safe for horses. We also use Strongid but I am concerned that using the same wormers over and over will eventually make the worms immune to the wormer over time. With all the reactions this worming and vaccination thing is getting really scary. I would be very interested in hearing different opinions about wormers. Have a great day everyone. Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
Re: Stallions and Mares and more
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:08 PM 2/4/01 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike you said... "I will have to say that there are some stallions that have a fair amount of influence though. There are probably 10 or so (I didn't count these) that have more than 1 page of mares. There are 6 mares to a page." Question how many of the 10 stallions have been evaluated? (They all have the Vet Cert. In... correct?) Ok I did more counting again. I should have played the lottery over the weekend I guess. After I did count to see how many stallions had more than 2 pages I found there are exactly 10 of them. 4 of them bred 7 mares 3 of them bred 8 mares 1 of them bred 10 mares 1 of them bred 11 mares 1 of them really had a good time & bred 18 mares. So that is 91 mares bred by 10 stallions or 9.1 mares per. 9 out of the ten have a Vet Certificate on file. 2 of them are Norwegian Evaluated (1 in Norway & 1 here) 1 of the above was also NFHR Evaluated 1 of them was Evaluated for conformation only at BE last year. The rest of them I don't think have been. I didn't look them all up but they do not have prizes listed & I don't remember them being in any of the Evaluations to date. Ok enough counting now I have to get some registrations in the mail. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
