Re: Norway trip
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Remember I asked about Helgi Joensen...a Norwegian artist. Well, it turns out you cannot always search the web and find sites that have an ".no" at the end. I think the usual search engines must not look for them. So...we finally found the web site of this man's pewter vases. Not unlike Peg's experience. My friend called international information (8.00 a pop) several times and finally contacted a Helgi Joensen...but the wrong one. However, he was married to a woman from New Jersey, who got out her phone book and looked up his phone number in Stavanger. His work is pretty unusual. Have a look if you are interested. Try sculptures, vases and the ecclesiastical section. http://www.helgijoensen.no/sculptures.html > >Hi all - > >In the search for long-lost relatives in Norway [Doug's] I called a woman in >MN yesterday named Carol Meade. She not only had helpful information, she >owns a Fjord named Abel, which the family adores. Of course. She says he's >registered and that she bought him from someone in Montana. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
historical reasons to not eat horses
This message is from: Mary & Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Desmond Morris's book (he is the curator of the London Zoo) 'Horsewatching' explains this (pagan reasons of course!) amongst many other things, such as what are horse brasses for and what is a night mare. Mary
Re: FINALLY! announcing the arrival of Tonetta
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congrats!! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231.689.9902 http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html
Re: FINALLY! announcing the arrival of Tonetta
This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> what a great story!...michelle you should write a book!!! -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com >Subject: FINALLY! announcing the arrival of Tonetta >Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 7:18 PM > >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >After 12 months and 6 days to be exact. Tone' (Tonah) gave birth to a lovely >little filly at 2:30 this morning. out of Tone' ( Malla and Torungen) and by >Rusten (Karen and Buck) >The vet came out yesterday afternoon, planniing to induce because Saturday >and Sunday Tone' was stressed, pacing all day and not resting, having >contractions and just down right miserable. She finally bagged up late last >week. The vet examined her and said, Well, I don't think we will have to >induce, she should foal tonight. She started spewing white milk everywhere >after the exam. > >So we started the all night vigil. Built a bon fire in the pit, put the shop >lights at the edge of the corral (She was pacing to bad for the stall). And >watched, and watched, we were far enough away not to disturb her. >She started laying down and getting up, so we got the cam corder ready. It >took her 45 minutes of pushing just to break the bag of waters. Then the >hooves came but nothing else for quite some time and Tone' was obviously very >tired. >So we decided it was time to help and Mandy (our daughter) went in and gently >pulled down on the hooves as she contracted, as Tone's pushing was getting >weaker. The filly's knee was under her chin and once that came down the head >and shoulders finally came. The rest is history. >It was so incredibly beautiful to watch a maiden mare bond with her first >baby. The baby got up long before Tone' did. >All is well today. We stayed up last night until she nursed. The placenta >had come out basically right behind the baby. We were concerned because it >didn't look near as nice as Opal's did, So we had the vet some check everyone >out. He said it was an overdue placenta and its a good thing she was born >when she was. Judging by the smallness of the filly, it was a good thing she >was a month overdue. She is so tiny and petite compared to Tenne (tehner) who >is HUGE. But then again, Opal and Tone' are quite different in size too! >This little filly is very dark, like her Mom Tone' and has Rusten's nice >coloring. >We are quite smitten with her already. She fell asleep in Mike's lap today. >Tone' rested a lot today and is feeling much better now. Opal made it seem >just a little to easy two weeks ago. >I'm so tired! I'm glad its finally over. Now if the company would just quit >pouring in to see her. Maybe I talked about my overdue mare, just a little >too much LOL > >Tenne is on the other side of the fence anxiously awaiting his new play mate >in a few weeks when we put them in together. He's also wondering why HE isn't >getting all the attention today. > >The Noonan's >Stevensville, MT
Record book
This message is from: "Philis Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all...just wanted to say how I'm enjoying reading through the Record Book. Must say that I am disappointed that several pictures of horses did not get printed in the book.my mare, Karina, was one. I did send the picture on time. Sandy North wrote a very nice letter apologizing for the mix-up and I realize that the printer goofed.or something. Sandy, I appreciate the fact that you took the time to write and explain the problem. Maybe an insert is the answer at this point. Fun book, though, and hats off to all who made this book happen! Philis Anderson Sawtooth Mountain Fjords Grand Marais, MN
Thanks, too!
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I want to add my thanks to all who worked on the new Record Book. Too bad about not getting any of the super publications, Sue G, could it be your brand of toothpaste...? Just kidding, and remember, patience builds character... I also want to send a big thank you to Sally for changing the format of the roster so that I can now read the phone numbers. I'm too old for 979865354, for example, I need spaces in between. Good job! Also congrats to Sue B. and to Michelle N. We're still on foal watch. Sadie, the little [ok, big] dickens tortures us several times a night by lying on her side for about 15 minutes at a time grunting occasionally and pretending to have contractions. Then she gets up laughing and starts eating as though nothing is unusual. This is all a cruel ruse to keep whichever of us is in the tack room from sleeping, and to get us, instead, to come in and clean up her luxurious foaling stall and pet her. Last night I stood outside her stall in the dimness with my forehead pressed against the bars to keep me propped up on my feet during each of these little charades. I've given up on talking sweetly to her and do well just to keep upright and awake. Tonight it's Doug's turn. We have stopped arm wrestling over who gets to stay in the barn and are now thinking up shifty and sneaky ways to get out of our turns. At least I am. Of, course, I have totally retained my usual good humored nature, unlike some people I could name I'd like to add to what Gayle said about Horsin Around; we've had consistently great experiences with them. We did have northern lights a while back - bands of white (no colors). We have had the awesomely colorful kind in the past. Of course, with the foal watch dragging on, who knows what we'll be seeing. Bye, Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Follicle size
This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All, I have a questions for those of you who have Fjord mares and breed by AI. What is the general size of a Fjord's follicle when it is ready to ovulate? This is my first breeding and my vet, who is a well established breeding vet, has never AI'd a Fjord. I don't think there are even any other Fjords in Texas. He says usually the follicle is around 3.8 cm, but is that true for a Fjord? Are they like a pony and the follicle is smaller or are they like a warmblood and the follicle is larger?? Help, all advice is welcome. thanks for the help. Marlene Coffman, Hobby Horse Haven, Austin, TX area
FINALLY! announcing the arrival of Tonetta
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] After 12 months and 6 days to be exact. Tone' (Tonah) gave birth to a lovely little filly at 2:30 this morning. out of Tone' ( Malla and Torungen) and by Rusten (Karen and Buck) The vet came out yesterday afternoon, planniing to induce because Saturday and Sunday Tone' was stressed, pacing all day and not resting, having contractions and just down right miserable. She finally bagged up late last week. The vet examined her and said, Well, I don't think we will have to induce, she should foal tonight. She started spewing white milk everywhere after the exam. So we started the all night vigil. Built a bon fire in the pit, put the shop lights at the edge of the corral (She was pacing to bad for the stall). And watched, and watched, we were far enough away not to disturb her. She started laying down and getting up, so we got the cam corder ready. It took her 45 minutes of pushing just to break the bag of waters. Then the hooves came but nothing else for quite some time and Tone' was obviously very tired. So we decided it was time to help and Mandy (our daughter) went in and gently pulled down on the hooves as she contracted, as Tone's pushing was getting weaker. The filly's knee was under her chin and once that came down the head and shoulders finally came. The rest is history. It was so incredibly beautiful to watch a maiden mare bond with her first baby. The baby got up long before Tone' did. All is well today. We stayed up last night until she nursed. The placenta had come out basically right behind the baby. We were concerned because it didn't look near as nice as Opal's did, So we had the vet some check everyone out. He said it was an overdue placenta and its a good thing she was born when she was. Judging by the smallness of the filly, it was a good thing she was a month overdue. She is so tiny and petite compared to Tenne (tehner) who is HUGE. But then again, Opal and Tone' are quite different in size too! This little filly is very dark, like her Mom Tone' and has Rusten's nice coloring. We are quite smitten with her already. She fell asleep in Mike's lap today. Tone' rested a lot today and is feeling much better now. Opal made it seem just a little to easy two weeks ago. I'm so tired! I'm glad its finally over. Now if the company would just quit pouring in to see her. Maybe I talked about my overdue mare, just a little too much LOL Tenne is on the other side of the fence anxiously awaiting his new play mate in a few weeks when we put them in together. He's also wondering why HE isn't getting all the attention today. The Noonan's Stevensville, MT
Re: Record Book
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >This message is from: "Janne Myrdal" A HUGE thank you to all those who worked hard to put this Record Book >together. Received mine yesterday, and all done reading it this morning. >Good educational tool for those of us that do not get to the shows or >evaluations much. * I would like to echo the sentiments above and add what a fantastic advertising tool the Record Book will be for breeders, and what a wealth of knowledge it offers for novice buyers. I don't know what I was expecting, but I'm more than impressed. It's a great tool and all involved did a marvelous job. Thank you. I'd also like to inquire as to how much it costs to have a horse evaluated for both conformation and performance. Of course travel expenses would all be individual,... I just mean to actually particiapate in the above. Thanks, Judy
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello to all ! I am new to this wonderful breed having seen my first at the Nebraska Horse Expo last March. I am trying to get all the information I can to learn about the Fjord. As a new subscriber to this list I have seen reference to the "Fjord Herald". What is this and how can I subscribe? I would also ask if there are any Fjords close to me I could go see and get a "hands on" look? I live in south west Iowa about 20 min. from Omaha. Thanks for the help. Pat
RE: Meat and Europe RE: Meat and Europe RE: Meat and Europe RE: Meat and Europe RE: Meat and Europe
This message is from: "Bob Stahr of THS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is this the Meat and Europe LISTSERV? Time to lighten up! :-) How to identify if your cow has MADCOW disease... http://www.horsemanshipschool.com/madcow/MadcowID.rtf
Re: Meat and Europe
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/18/01 1:37:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > For many Alaskans that yearly moose and caribou are essential, as well as > the salmon and halibut. I buy buffalo (bison) when it is occasionally in > the stores here, some local beef raised here without hormones, etc. is sold > at the farmer's market. I sure would like to get some moose meat or > caribou this year! > You got a point. I just read that even though we don't give cattle by-products to cattle... mostly sometimes some cow by products DO show up in the feed. I buy the buffalo stuff when it's available at Fred Myer (good stuff) and try to get out to the health food store often. Have to be careful with fish, cause of mercury, which is another possible source of autism. And I will probably get my son tested for mercury poisoning soon. If we try to chelate his body, it wouldn't do to pack more mercury in. Think I'll go out and buy a book I used to have, but lost. It's called "5 Acres and Independence". It's all about how you can be self sufficient with only 5 acres. We've got 5 acres, but with 4 fjord horses, I think we'll only be semi-independent cause they love that pasture! Pamela
Re: Meat and Europe
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >think of what we do to/for our horses on a daily basis. Fly spray, daily >wormers, etc. Yeah, but think of all the hormones and chemicals cattle are treated with...hormone pellets to make them grow, estrogens, etc., and insect sprays, dips, also Ivomec is used for cattle, so what do we do? For many Alaskans that yearly moose and caribou are essential, as well as the salmon and halibut. I buy buffalo (bison) when it is occasionally in the stores here, some local beef raised here without hormones, etc. is sold at the farmer's market. I sure would like to get some moose meat or caribou this year! Jean in Fairbanks, ALaska, sunny and still in the midst of spring breakup--but much of the snow is gone! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Meat and Europe
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Anneli for the info re horse meat. I am concerned that as beef becomes scarce and leather also, the horse will suffer most. It brings back horse stealing when the meat prices go up. Someone saw a furtive acting driver in an old green truck with old trailer attached in front of my place one early morning. When my neighbor approached the truck it sped off. I have a sign on my fence saying "These horses have been branded and micro-chipped" I think I will add "these are old horses and good only for soap." Now I hope the price of soap does not go up Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Brag - Dressage show
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hooray, Hooray Sue What a great day for horse and rider and sounds like you are on your way to being a serious dressage rider. Best of luck. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Premature foal with skin related birth defects
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nancy, It is probably hairless in places just because it is premature. The hair is one of the last things to develop. Steve Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
Re: Meat and Europe
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/18/01 8:19:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Horse meat is selling for about $1.00 a pound at this time and is > expected to rise much higher. The meat is mostly going to France. The > kill buyers were buying horses at this auction for roughly $0.60 to > $0.80 per pound. They're probably making a tidy profit per horse, > especially since they can buy horses in reasonably good condition that > don't need a lot of feeding before slaughter. The prices the kill buyers > are currently paying are comparable to what many people pay for a > First, my congratulations and respect at buying a horse doomed to slaughter. I hope you and her have a long happy life together. Second, about horses going for slaughter and being sent to France as food animals. I shudder to think of them eating our horses on so many different levels. First, horses are our friends, companions. But beyond that.. think of what we do to/for our horses on a daily basis. Fly spray, daily wormers, etc. These products ALL have disclaimers saying "This Product Is Not To Be Used On An Animal Used For Human Consumption". How many of the animals going to France have these chemicals in them? And people are oblivously eating animals who have been treated as NOT used for human consumption. Can't be a good thing! Pamela
Re: Meat and Europe
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, okay, I confess. I bought another horse this past weekend. And not a Fjord. We went to the local auction Saturday night. My first mistake was going to the "loose horse" section of the auction barn (translation: the kill horse section) and seeing a nice looking draft mare there. My bigger mistake was slipping into the pen and making friends with her. She's smallish for a draft -- maybe in the 15 hands range -- middle aged, bay roan with grizzled gray mane, black/white tail like a Fjord's, and dark points (ear tips, legs, muzzle) very like a Fjord. Nice feet with lots of dark feather. Clean-healing abrasions on her face from a halter left on far too long. Quiet, mannerly, but a little shy. Almost looks like a Brabant (European Belgian). I couldn't stand the thought of seeing her go to the kill buyers, so we bought her for $700 US (I estimate we paid about $0.60 per pound, if you want to look at it that way). Draft horses don't have much of a chance at this auction -- nobody (well, almost nobody!) wants one, so the kill buyers tend to buy them. I've seen some absolutely lovely, young Percherons and Belgians sold for meat that should be at a good home instead. Well, I can't save 'em all -- probably shouldn't have saved even one, but ... the object of my foolish, soft heart is now standing in my pasture quietly waiting for her next meal. I'm keeping her isolated from my other horses until the vet can check her out. Horse meat is selling for about $1.00 a pound at this time and is expected to rise much higher. The meat is mostly going to France. The kill buyers were buying horses at this auction for roughly $0.60 to $0.80 per pound. They're probably making a tidy profit per horse, especially since they can buy horses in reasonably good condition that don't need a lot of feeding before slaughter. The prices the kill buyers are currently paying are comparable to what many people pay for a reasonable riding horse at this particular auction. DeeAnna <- who needs another horse like she needs another hole in the head!
Record Book
This message is from: "Janne Myrdal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A HUGE thank you to all those who worked hard to put this Record Book together. Received mine yesterday, and all done reading it this morning. Good educational tool for those of us that do not get to the shows or evaluations much. Would have loved to have taken our yearling filly to Blue Earth this year,( I think she is pretty good looking), but by that time I'll be a little out of shape myself as we are expecting a baby this fall. The heat at Blue Earth would do me in, - uffda. Mud is finally starting to dry up here, horses let out in a bigger pasture last weekend, and wow those "winter fat" fjords can run. Janne in 48 degrees today in ND.
Premature foal with skin related birth defects
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nancy Thibault) I had a foal who was born 38 days premature. She died. She had skin defects - totally bald areas (no hair follicles at all) on the entire left side of her face up to her ear. as well as a large bald area on her left shoulder, and smaller areas on her chest and back. Has any one ever seen anything like this? Nancy Thibault
Re: Meat and Europe
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Lamb! Ugh! Can't stand the smell or fat of it. Lamb Yum Yum Yum We are dying for a good leg of lamb and can't remember when we had it last. I want to get a feeder and raise to butcher, but husband says no. May do it anyway. I can always tell him I found it along the road as a stray. LOL -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: Brag - Dressage show
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/17/01 11:09:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > For those wanting a quick summary, Lilly (BDF Lillehammer) and I attended > our first AHSA Recognized Dressage show this spring after Lilly had a year > off having a foal. In Training Level 3 and 4 we took two first places, with > Congratulations! Hope to hear more wonderful results as the show year progresses. Pamela
Fjord owners
This message is from: Joel Harman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I know real fjord owners would never auction off their horses. However, is it really important where a horse came from? Pedigree is more important to me. Hopefully the last owner has treated the animal like a horse so all one has to do is train & not un-train bad habits. Having said that, I would like to remind folks that the CFHA is having it's annual meeting in Estevan , Saskatchewan this weekend, Apr 21. I think I blew this the last 3 or 4 times I posted this & stated Estaven was in Alberta but I have CRS so bad I can't remember. If I did place Estaven in Alberta, Canadians, please accept my humble apologies. In any case, there are 21 horses selected for sale at this auction. FYI, Estaven is directly north of Noonon, N Dakota. Unfortunately, I need to sell before I can buy. Cordially Joel Harman Brass Ring Ranch Mosier OR logging & custom farming with fjords
Re: letters in registration numbers
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:20 PM 4/17/01 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: "Shareknot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In researching the ancestry of my Fjords I find the letters NY and N in front of some of the registration numbers. Can anyone tell me what they mean?? Well if your doing the research on the Canadian Livestock web site then the NY is for a Norwegian Registration number. On the NFHR web site we use the N- for the Norwegian numbers. We use H- for the Netherlands, G- for Germany, D- for Denmark, S- for Sweden & a C- is used for Canada. You will also see numbers like 2345-B - they are numbers of the Norwegian Fjord Assoc of North America. I am from Alberta Canada and perhaps these are Canadian registration numbers. Thanks to anyone who can help me Hope this helped you out. Welcome to the list. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Fjord Horse owner
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:57 AM 4/18/01 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from:"Linda Syverson-Kerr"<[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a set of rules in a handbook that I could obtain to inform or have incase the local show Judges dont quite know how to Judge a Fjord, ie. clipping, what should be clipped for show and what not I saw at Blue Earth some clipped for show ears, feathers, cornet band, eyes and some not, proper stance, etc.. Yes Linda there is such a book. As a new NFHR member you will be receiving it shortly. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Meat and Europe
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lamb! Ugh! Can't stand the smell or fat of it.
Horse Transportation
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have used an outfit based in Tennessee called Horsein' Around. Their number is 1-800-234-4675. I have used them extensively for the past 7 years. They are reasonably priced and have always taken excellent care of the horses. They do not network with other haulers and do not charge for extras such as overnight stays. I highly recommend them. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
Re: Meat and Europe
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean wrote: >>What are the historical reasons for not eating horses?>> In pre-christian Scandinavia, horse meat was sacred and eaten as part of the sacrificial/ritual meals. The body of a horse was eaten and the skin, limps, head and tail was put on a pole or thrown into a lake, fen etc as a sacrifice to the gods. In later Iron Age the ritual meal was eaten inside the large hall of the king or chieftain. Horse meat was THE meat for these meals. Therefore the church decided that horse meat should not be eaten. It was to connected to pagan cult. The exception is Iceland, where christianity was accepted only under some conditions. One of them was that people should be allowed to continue to eat horsemeat. >>Interesting that you eat sheep one of the very source of "mad cow disease!">> We don't have "mad cow disease" in Scandinavia, so we have no problem eating sheep or cows for the matter. But people have become more careful concerning the origin of the meat and prefer meat from native animals. We have a law that all meat sold in the shops must be marked with the native country of the animal. Therefore, people who wants to eat nothing but Swedish meat can do so. I myself prefer sheep to other kind of meat, because sheep live a decent life. There has been a lot of discussions concerning the treatment of animals. I try to eat as much sheep as possible. I would have no problem eating horse meat neither, but it's not easy to find here. You can't but horse meat in the shops. They make sausage and dog/cat food from it. Regards Anneli P.S. You can always found out what sausages that are made from horse meat, so it's easy to avoid if you want to. It has to be written on the wrapping. D.S. * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082
