clark heater

2002-01-14 Thread Gumbisue
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Thanks Mike that is the heater I have.
 We just got a foot of snow in the Bangor Me area.  I have been sleighing 
quite a bit in the field and am looking forward to the show.  Sleighing is my 
favorite horse activity except every time there is a show the wind is howling 
and its below zero.  Hopefully with the warmish winter we are having it will 
be a good day Sunday and a good turnout, and I will have a working heater for 
the turnout class. and to keep the toes warm :-)
Thanks
sue. 






Re: SECRET SANTA BUSINESS

2002-01-14 Thread wilson964
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I've emailed my secret santa, Valerie Pederson, and 
thanked her for the book.  She sent us John Lyons book 
and is it great to own.  She couldn't have done 
anything better.
Now I want to thank Cynthia for all her work.  What 
great fun to do a secret santa.  Thank you so much.
pat
ttfn
> This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> To all SS recipients:
> 
> Please acknowledge to your SS that you have received
> your gifts with a nice thank you!
> 
> Your elf in SSdom
> 
> =
> Cynthia Madden
> Las Cruces, NM
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Colour Article

2002-01-14 Thread Lori Albrough
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  And in order to bring this on topic, if you were for some strange
> reason to want more white on Fjords it would be possible to round up all the
> rare individuals that have white markings, breed them, and in several
> generations get Fjords with markings.  I don't know of any reason why anyone
> would want to do that, but the foals would still be pure bred Fjords.

White markings are considered undesirable on Fjord horses so I would hope
that no one would undertake this experiment. My guess is it would certainly
result in offspring with white markings.

> Has anyone read their Herald yet?  I know I'm fairly new to Fjords, (3
> years), but I do know my way around horse color genetics and I had some
> serious reservations about the article on Fjord color genetics.  A lot of
> things in the article didn't agree at all with the color article by Philip
> Sponenberg that was in the Herald and on the Fjord registry website a few
> years ago.  Did anyone else notice that?

The article in the Herald "Color Variation in Norwegian Fjord Horses" is
technically correct with the exception of one thing. The author states that
"If you breed two grays you can get either a red or a gray foal." In fact,
the possibilities when breeding two greys are: grey, red, yellow, or
cremello (sometimes called albino). 

In order for a yellow or cremello offspring to result from the breeding of
two greys, the genotype of one or both grey parents would need to include
the dilution (Ccr) gene. The grey is the only colour that can carry this
dilution gene "invisibly", by which I mean you can't tell by looking at the
horse that he carries it. There are two genotypes of grey that have Ccr.
White duns and yellow duns have one copy of the dilution gene and cremellos
have two, which you can clearly tell by looking at them. For a grey to have
the dilution gene, he would need to have had a white or yellow dun in his
lineage, either directly or through a grey with Ccr. If a grey has two brown
parents you therefore know for sure he does not have the dilution gene and
won't sire yellow or cremello. 

I base my information on the Tor Nestaas article which summarizes the
research of the late general inspector of Fjord Horses, Johs. Loen.

Lori






Gift from my Secret Santa

2002-01-14 Thread Cindy Vallecillo
This message is from: "Cindy Vallecillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

This is to Andrea Salkowe, Greenwich, NY.

I received my gift and I love it!!!  It is a beautiful stuff animal, a fjord
horse of course!  My fjord's name is Mik and I have named my stuffed fjord
Mini Mik!

Thank you so much I will treasure it always just like I do my real live
fjord!!

Cindy Vallecillo
San Bruno, CA






myths and misconceptions

2002-01-14 Thread Ursula Jensen
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The List has covered this subject before but since I'm doing a bit of work
on the New Owners Handbook and the subject is vaguely being discussed could
you help me make a list and send in some Myths and Misconceptions that we
have all heard.
ie..Fjords are born broke.
Fjords are ideal ponies for children
thanks Ursula

.
Ursula & Brian Jensen
Trinity Fjords
Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0
http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/
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(250) 547-6303






Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #12

2002-01-14 Thread KTPUGH
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In a message dated 1/13/2002 11:41:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Has the Arabian Horse Registry changed their rules?  Pintos/paints were
> never allowed to be registered as purebreds

The Arabian Horse Registry registers foals that are blood tested or DNA 
Tested to be pure bred Arabians and progeny to the correct parents.  They are 
not a color registry, so will register any foal of registered parents 
regardless of color.  Some colors are frowned on, and not encouraged, but no 
steps are taken.  There are several types of Pinto color that the Arabians 
carry, sabino is one of the most common.  The horses that generally carry 
this color type are usually minimal colored with just a loud blaze and four 
high white socks.  It is not unusual to breed two individuals of this type 
and get foals with belly spots sufficient to be considered Pintos by that 
registry.  There are several pinto type patterns that can be passed on in 
either a minimal way or a maximized way.  I bred an Arabian filly about 23 
years ago that had enough white on her belly spots, and high socks above her 
knees and hocks that she would have qualified as a Pinto.  We recorded the 
spots (they had pink skin under them) on her registration papers and had no 
problems.  And in order to bring this on topic, if you were for some strange 
reason to want more white on Fjords it would be possible to round up all the 
rare individuals that have white markings, breed them, and in several 
generations get Fjords with markings.  I don't know of any reason why anyone 
would want to do that, but the foals would still be pure bred Fjords. 
Has anyone read their Herald yet?  I know I'm fairly new to Fjords, (3 
years), but I do know my way around horse color genetics and I had some 
serious reservations about the article on Fjord color genetics.  A lot of 
things in the article didn't agree at all with the color article by Philip 
Sponenberg that was in the Herald and on the Fjord registry website a few 
years ago.  Did anyone else notice that?
Our new fjord is being shipped from Catherine Lassesen today!  We are so 
happy.  I hope she gets here safe.  Thanks, Tami






Fjord Decals still avail.

2002-01-14 Thread Deb Williams
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HI All,
I spoke with Sailing Clippers in Naples Florida today.  They used to
carry Fjord Tee shirts and such a few years ago.  They advertised in the
Herald.  They no longer have the full line of gifts but do have many decals
available.  All three designs are available now.  They would have to be put
on your own shirt or whatever.  The decals are cheap.  There are "Have you
driven a Fjord Lately", a draft picture and Three running on a beach.  Just
thought there may be some new people around who would like to know.  I'm not
selling them so you have to call there
Sailing Clippers
1189 Industrial Blvd.
Naples, Florida 34104
1-800-524-4983

Debi Williams
Williams Hill Fjords
Waterford, Pa
Home of Tolgar,Tanja, Rosie, Belle,Hilda and Beckett
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SECRET SANTA BUSINESS

2002-01-14 Thread Cynthia Madden
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To all SS recipients:

Please acknowledge to your SS that you have received
your gifts with a nice thank you!

Your elf in SSdom

=
Cynthia Madden
Las Cruces, NM
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Showing at ADS recognized events

2002-01-14 Thread Vivian Creigh
This message is from: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Since I am in the middle of trying to get organized for the upcoming driving
season I thought I'd pass on this tip for those of you planning o competing
your Fjords in ADS  events this year. I hope that means a bunch of you.

I make a mess of copies of my ADS  membership card, USAe  membership card,
USAe Pony measurement cards or forms, depending on their age. USAe horse
recording certificates and  all current  2002 coggins. Anything that might
be required with my entry. I keep the copies in a seperate file and put all
my membership cards in another file.

This way when I go to make an entry I can easily  find and include copies of
important info a particular event might require. I never have to carry the
membership cards around with me so  if my wallet is stolen or lost in the
course of the season I don't need to bother these org. for replacements.
Also as an organizer I can tell you that it simplifies the event secretary's
job to have all the necessary forms included as well as the fact that with
Driving becoming so popular and events filling early those entries that are
incomplete will not be accepted even if you make opening day.

I put copies of all coggins in my truck glove compartment and put the
originals in a file. Health certificates generally only last for 30 days but
I also make copies of those and file them , just in case. Although my vet
has originals of both I'd rather bother my husband if I need copies for
whatever reason.

Hope this gets everyone thinking about getting to those ADS CDEs this year.
If you can't drive then I highly recommend volunteering. You'll meet great
people while you learn about the sport.

To those of you  who inquired about the Kuhnle, thank you for your interest
however it has been sold.
Vivian Creigh






Old Horses

2002-01-14 Thread Les D
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The other day Deb talked about retiring older horses and what we thought.
Well I have a Appy who I was there when he was born to my mare. She was
suppose to be fat from pasture and he was the fat pasture. This coming June
he turns 30 and has gotten his " gold watch " from me twice but when ever I
need a good reliable driving horse to pull my Vis a Via carriage I know I
can count on him. He is starting to look his age ( dropping weight in the
shoulders )but the old man has been one of my best friends and will live
here, as part of my family for the rest of his life.
Les & Margaret H.
Callahan,Ca






Secret Santa message

2002-01-14 Thread Cynthia Madden
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 Please let Linda Lottie know that her gift will
arrive, but I 've run into some problems with it.  So
I am hoping to get it sent by the 15 it will probably
get there after the 15th.  

Thanks so much, her Secret Santa

*
   

=
Cynthia Madden
Las Cruces, NM
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Re: My Secret Santa ROCKS!

2002-01-14 Thread HorseLotti
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Mary Dixon,

You are very welcome - glad you liked your gift!!  I love the shammies for 
face, eyes and ears:)

Sincerely,

Linda Lottie
Corcoran, MN






breeding or training ?

2002-01-14 Thread Pedfjords
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In a message dated 1/13/02 11:41:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< 
   "IF IT'S EASIER, MORE COMFORTABLE, FASTER FOR YOU, IT'S PROBABLY NOT 
  THE BEST FOR THE HORSES." 
  >>

   Great point Carol, and I totally agree with this. Also, of course there 
are exceptions to every young horse / young kids together, and your comments 
with handleing are right on. 

   Funny about the 2 Fjords you met being biters and kickers. I have a mare 
here, a wonderful example of good breeding ( GJEST daughter ) and has won her 
large confirmation class, at the Turlock show in 98 ( great Fjord 
confirmation ) , who will kick your head off, if given the chance when shes 
mad. She does not like to be cornered, or forced to move, tie ect. She gets 
very pissy when shes medicated or wormed, and one has to really watch it, as 
she has fired 2 back feet ( with shoes ) at my head, missing me by one inch. 
I still remember feeling the " breeze " as her hoofs cleared my face, as I 
ducked just in time. The offense ?  I was brushing her out, after a sweaty 
workout, and she kept trying to get closer, smash me into the hitchen post, 
and I had given her a small " get over " push. She disagreed about it, and 
fired a shot at me.I will never forget. If she had connected, I would be 
dead, with a full-on face kick at close range. Shes the only Fjord we trained 
to drive that didnt LIKE to drive at all, and was subject to temper tantrums 
( as seen at the same Turlock show in the mens to drive class ) so we retired 
her from driving. She is a wonderful mother, carries her foals to term, with 
one aborbed 2 years ago. She foals big beautiful good disposition babies, but 
interestingly, she is a very premissive mother, allowing her youngsters to 
jump and climb all over her, so they can be a handful when first weaned. My 
vet thinks that she suffers from real hormonal problems or undiagnosed cysts, 
as her behavior is stud-like at times. I have seen her " teasing " and trying 
to mount other horses. A couple of times, she tried it with Jeff, after a 
lunging session, where she reared up and tried to " mount " him as he walked 
away. We now handle her like a stud, and do not give her chances to hurt us. 
She is dominent ( surprise ) in a herd, with food around, and finally after 3 
years, now have her in a group setting, with a favorite gelding she rules, 
and some very tough alpha mares she backs down too. If her foals showed these 
traits, we wouldnt have her, or breed her, but they do not. As you know, her 
breeding is good, also on her dams side, and her behavior in my opinion, is 
early training, or cysts or both. 

   She is not the only Fjord who will try and kick, but she sure stands out 
as one who will, when pushed to do anything she dosnt want to do.  

   Lisa Pedersen / Pedersens Fjords * Cedar City, UT.   warm, sunny, 
going to be 70 degrees at work today in St. George. 






RE: Icelandics and multi-colors.

2002-01-14 Thread FjordAmy
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Hi all:

I don't know why it would seem so "odd" to many that Icelandics come in all 
the colors of the equine rainbow (so to speak).  They are NOT alone in this.  
This multi-coloration is also common in Shetland ponies (Who knows - these 
two may also share a common, very distant ancestor).  The Chincateague (sp) 
pony also comes in all colors; although I do believe they have there roots in 
the Shetland pony?

I'd also like to agree wholeheartedly with Carol's last post re: weanlings 
for a family. The "right" weanling can make a wonderful family horse for the 
family that has at least one experienced horse person.  I've seen some of the 
most reliable "kids" horses evolve from this situation.

Amy

Amy Evers
Dun Lookin' Fjords
Redmond, OR
Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]






My Secret Santa ROCKS!

2002-01-14 Thread Steve and Mary
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Thanks so much for the surprise package this morning, Linda
Lottie, my secret santa and goat's milk goddess! The soap is
fantastic and I love the grooming apron with assored
groomin' goodies (though how long it'll stay clean is the
big question!).
Thanks so much for the present! I love it!
Finne thanks you, too. He loves being scrubbed down. Here is
one fjord who doesn't like being dirty. He knows when he's
pretty and acts cuter then, too.

Mary Dixon
Ann Arbor MI






Re: Inbreeding?

2002-01-14 Thread Mary Thurman
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--- Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This message is from: Alison Bakken
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I have a friend and a sister, who breed Icelandics. 
> The pinto has been
> in the breed since the beginning.  You see some
> really interesting
> colours in Icelandics 

Hi Alison,

Thanks for the information.  I am curious about one
thing, though.  All of the Icelandics I have seen have
been used for riding - I assume because the tolt is
more comfortable than the trot.  How are they as
driving horses?

Mary

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Mary Thurman
Raintree Farms
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Re:NON benefits of the older horse

2002-01-14 Thread Steve and Mary
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As a first time horse buyer, I, of course, was looking for
that confidence building, bomb-proof, reliable push button
horse that wouldn't think of killing me.
I found him in Max, a 17 year old tradtitonal-style morgan.
What  a guy! Bay and beautiful (but a bit skinny) and would
give his heart to you.
After I got him home, the bills (and education about buying
and keeping an older horse!) started racking up but I loved
him and gladly paid. The first lesson was about seller's
lies! He was, in fact, in his mid-twenties, according to my
vet! I suppose 17 years old is that age that sounds not too
old and not too young! So watch out!
He needed his teeth floated twice a year, he had one hoof
that had foundered a long time ago and needed to be watched
(and was prone to season-related thrushiness), needed egg
bar shoes on the front, special older horse diet (tried
every other brand without weight gain on him and finally
learned about Moorman's from a saddle repair guy. I would
never feed anything to an older horse but Moorman's Senior
Glo plus their stabilized Rice Bran--
http://www.moormans.com/equine), special grass-only hay,
needed to be kept outside on pasture board to be away from
dust so as to combat his coughing, trimming of facial warts
and (for me!) dyeing his grey hair on his face brown
occasionally with organic water based vegetable hair dye (I
love living in Ann Arbor!).
He had no bad habits, I had clicker trained him about a
dozen nifty tricks and was drank from the hose full blast.
Loved dogs and you couldn't have a better pal. His
usefulness to me as a confidence builder had seriously waned
the day I was dozing while riding!
Yes, I was bored and started thinking about younger horses I
could train myself (having been into Parelli Natural
Horsemanship-even sans horse-since early 1995) but I was
unable to afford boarding two horses. Another deciding
factor was his bills, which in the second year topped
3500.00. I compared this to the price of a young, healthy
fjord (their hardiness and natural health was very
attractive to me) and made the big decision to sell him to
another beginning rider (but she already owned a non-riding
older morgan horse--I sold him quite honestly, with a full
resume of his problems, needed upkeep, vets, equine dentist
and me as the right of first refusal should she decide to
ever sell him. Plus a list of his cues and tricks, of
course!).
She and I keep in touch occasionally and I can see my
beloved Max in his pasture anytime by driving down the very
same road my fjord, Finne, lives on.
All in all, I am not unhappy with what I did with Max. He
was a terrific first time horse, great confidence builder
and friend.
Just be careful if you go shopping for an older horse. They
have been around the block, yes and they know their manners,
yes but you could be in for a similar education.
There are now books on keeping older horses. Get one of
those!

Mary Dixon
Ann Arbor MI






Re: Pinto coloring (vs Paint)

2002-01-14 Thread Jennifer Kroll
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Sabino pintos if purebred are still able to be registered. There are quite a
few sabinos in the breed. some so extensivly marked that they are almost
totally white. :)

Jen Kroll

- Original Message -
From: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pinto coloring (vs Paint)


> This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> ---
>
>
> > This message is from: "Michele Bigelow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > My trainer has a 100% pure Davenport Arab Stud that is also registered
> > pinto.  He has met the color requirement.  He does not have any other
> breed
> > of pinto in his breeding to give him the coloring.
> ~
> Has the Arabian Horse Registry changed their rules?  Pintos/paints were
> never allowed to be registered as purebreds,... as least not quite some
> years ago when we had registered stock.  They did allow, of course, 1/2
Arab
> pintos to be registered, but only as "half".  Judy






Acting opportunity

2002-01-14 Thread BaldursMom
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This would be a great chance for someone!  Send it to your other lists
too...this is not bogus, got it through the pony club national office.


Subj:   [DCDigest] potential opportunity
Date:   1/14/02 8:58:26 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Sent from the Internet (Details)



Hi to all DCs.

The following was sent to the National office - perhaps a unique opportunity
for a Pony Club member. If you have any members who may be interested, please
have them contact as stated for more information.

Sincerely,
Karol Wilson
Member Services Director
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CASTING CALL

For

"SHETAN"

Buena Vista Pictures is looking for a young girl, 9 to 11 years old to play
the lead in "SHETAN", the IMAX prequel to "THE BLACK STALLION".
Applicants should be of Middle-Eastern descent and must be excellent riders.
To apply, please submit a videotaped audition in the following format:


·   Close-up saying name, age, riding experience, and acting experience
(if any).



·   15 to 30 seconds of riding.



·   Close-up, saying why you would like to play NEERA, SHETAN'S first
friend.

Label the tape with the child's name and "SHETAN".  Also include a sheet of
paper with the child's name, age, name of parent or guardian, phone number,
and where you heard about our casting call.

Please mail to:  "SHETAN"

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Plus two brilliant human children






Re: Fjord goodies from Norway

2002-01-14 Thread rlg_creations
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neat site Betsy!! .and not only do they sell some Fjord things, but
there was a page of fjords for sale, a page with some wild looking cattle on
it (can't think of what breed they are) and some pigs/boars..

reena

> It is in Norwegian, so maybe some of you will enjoy the whole site.
> From what I could glean, they have Hildmann offspring, it is an old
> farm. (I can only recognize #'s, and words like Hest, Fjord...) and
> they sell some Fjord things. Interesting, wish I could read
> Norwegian.

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Re: Blundstone (not blunderstone!) Boots

2002-01-14 Thread Jimaryjmh
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Hi

I was very interested in these boots as my feet are wide and they have been 
getting very cold this winter even with two pair of socks.  Are these boots 
warm?  I have checked out the site and the means of measuring the foot for 
sizing.  The ad does state that these boots may be on the large size.  Have 
you learned anything from buying for yourself about the sizing of these boots 
that might help me.  I usually wear a wide-width, if I can get it, in a size 
8 1/2.   Also, are these boots as comfortable to ride in as say zip-up 
jodhpurs.   Many Thanks.

Mary Harvey






Fjord goodies from Norway

2002-01-14 Thread Foxfire Farm
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Someone named Kjartan F. Alnes sent me this web address for a site in Norway
that has Fjords and Fjordie products for sale.
http://home.online.no/~jakobgar/utsalg.htm
It is in Norwegian, so maybe some of you will enjoy the whole site. From
what I could glean, they have Hildmann offspring, it is an old farm. (I can
only recognize #'s,  and words like Hest, Fjord...) and they sell some Fjord
things. Interesting, wish I could read Norwegian.

Betsy & Jer Patryjak
Foxfire Farm
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http://foxfirefjords.homestead.com/






Re: We would like expert opinions

2002-01-14 Thread Foxfire Farm
This message is from: "Foxfire Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hello Brad,

Welcome to you (and all the other newcomers) to the List.

Not an expert, and have to agree with others about caution in looking for
that first horse. Our first  horses (4 or 5), non-fjords, were all purchased
through a local riding school, sales barn. These were horses that we had the
opportunity to ride and observe in many situations over long periods. They
were great teachers, the youngest was 15 at the time of purchase. We were
able to learn so much from them as they had tons of experience in all kinds
of situations, from trailering to showing, riding indoors, out in large
groups and alone. Not having to worry about teaching the horse, we were able
to focus on learning solid riding skills.

Depending on the abilities of the horses, we also had the opportunity to
learn some low level dressage and did a lot of jumping/showing on these
trustworthy solid citizens. And they were not expensive, as they were not
"fancy". Most were generic, no-breed rescues initially, when they went into
the riding school. Each had a minor vet problem, like one with a hind leg
that had an old injury that stocked up in hot weather. (She never had an
unsound day in the years we owned her.)
These were some of the best horses we ever owned and we had tons of fun with
them. Some we kept to old age, one we traded in for an upgrade, (that one
went to another beginner family), and others went to people who loved them
for what they could teach. We still have one here, a 12 year old
standardbred, bought from and still used by a neighbor for therapeutic
riding, parades, trailriding and by us for visitors who know nothing. He
ain't purty, but he is worth his weight in gold.

We looked for a very long time for an "older" fjord broke to drive and ride
and with a lot of miles. This after owning horses for 20 years. As beginning
drivers, we thought it better to have a horse that already knew what to do,
so we could learn without having to worry about teaching bad habits out of
our inexperience with driving. Our first Fjord, Tomas, was 12 and fit the
bill.

Personally, I think you would do your kids and a young horse an injustice to
expect untrained riders to teach an untrained horse. Yes, they may be good
with working around the animals, which is a definite plus. Teaching  a young
horse how to carry, obey, and listen to a rider is a whole other discipline.
Learning good basic riding skills requires focus on other aspects, like
balance, hands, legs, body control and paying attention to the horse...lot
to ask of any child.

My suggestion: Buy 2!
Find that older broke-to- death horse for them to have fun with and learn
from, Fjord or not. Then find a young Fjord to start. (Horses are happier
with a buddy, anyway)
Remember, too, that it costs the same to keep a unsuitable horse as keeping
a good one. If you add in the doctor bills and unpleasant experiences, the
safe older horse is a lot less! Even the best youngsters have their
moments...both Fjords and kids. Safety always comes first. We have seen many
fearful, unhappy young riders on unsuitable mounts because their parents
thought it would be neat to see the kids "grow up" with their young horses.

Good luck in your search, and if there is a riding facility within reach,
check it out and observe...a lot. You never know. Be sure you can try the
horse for a period of time, either there or at home. Many sellers will agree
to a trial period IF they have nothing to hide.

Betsy Patryjak, Michigan
Foxfire Farm
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http://foxfirefjords.homestead.com/


<< We're looking for a 'first' horse for the kids, and have been for some
time.
 We know the general advice is to get an older, half-dead horse that
couldn't
 hurt anybody.  We tried that with a 17 year old quarterhorse, who nearly
 killed my very experienced wife.






Icelandic colours

2002-01-14 Thread Dagrun Aarsten
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Just a little comment on the icelandics: Like Alison says, they come in
nearly all colours, none of which are due to crossbreeding. Iceland has had
an import ban on horses for something like 1000 years, so it's an extremely
pure breed. I have no idea why they are so colourful compared to the fjords,
since the two breeds must have quite a lot of common heritage.

Dagrun, at the moment in Italy with no Fjords in sight. Hope to be back in
California within a few weeks

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alison Bakken
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 8:42 PM
> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
> Subject: Re: Inbreeding?
>
>
> This message is from: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hi Mary,
>
> I have a friend and a sister, who breed Icelandics.  The pinto has been
> in the breed since the beginning.  You see some really interesting
> colours in Icelandics.  I have seen everything except appaloosa
> colouring.  The everyone is looking for right now is called a Silver
> Dapple.  The body colour is a silver black with silver or white mane &
> tail.
>
> Alison Bakken
> Sundre, Alberta  in springlike Alberta






Re: A Sad Passing

2002-01-14 Thread BaileysFjords
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Hello,

Thank you so much for your kind words, they mean a great deal to us.  

Lynda and Daniel
Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
White Cloud, MI
231-689-9902
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http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/






Re:I need help!

2002-01-14 Thread Fjord1901
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Hi there list,
I'm going to pour my heart out on this one. as you all know, I have just 
moved to Salem Oregon (15 days ago to be exact) I am on a "shoe string bank 
roll" (almost depleted), and, like most new businesses, mine is just opening 
up tomarrow (14th). I have just been informed that I need to transport my 
horse "Rafael" at my expense right away. (he has become a financial burdon) 
Which is true for one who has to pay for "three horses" with one income. I 
MUST find a way to get him here, and, a place to be put out to pasture ASAP. 
Or, he will be "Leased out", and the possibility of my ever having him will 
vanish. I will be more than willing to do "anything" that will get him to me, 
and, have a safe place for him to stay until I get financialy stable. PLEASE, 
I will work on your ranch, (I'm a good handyman with carpentry skills). I 
don't want to lose my horse. This situation was only disclosed to me today. I 
must act fast. If there is anyone that can help me, I will be forever 
grateful. I will work for you, and, pay you any amount you request on top of 
that if neccessary. I will be checking the list daily, to see if anyone can 
help me. Thank you for your consideration in advance. As I know you would all 
help if you could. But, some times, as much as we want, it isn't possible. 
God bless you all, Jack Long






Re: Pinto coloring (vs Paint)

2002-01-14 Thread truman matz
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> This message is from: "Michele Bigelow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> My trainer has a 100% pure Davenport Arab Stud that is also registered
> pinto.  He has met the color requirement.  He does not have any other
breed
> of pinto in his breeding to give him the coloring.
~
Has the Arabian Horse Registry changed their rules?  Pintos/paints were
never allowed to be registered as purebreds,... as least not quite some
years ago when we had registered stock.  They did allow, of course, 1/2 Arab
pintos to be registered, but only as "half".  Judy