Re: ... history
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] fjordcountry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anyone know if there was a gentleman by the name of Parker from somewhere in Montana that imported some of the first fjords to the United States? Thanks, Rock'n Kathi One of the early breeders of Fjords was Dave Parker, of Reed Point, Montana. My 1990 copy of the NFA stud book shows him as having had several horses that were registered as foundation stock; this included Sally (2022-A) and Sjona (2023-A), both of whom are listed as having Sire: Unknown, Dam: Unknown, Breeder: Unknown! (Note that this sort of undocumented foundation stock has been a source of contention amongst the various North American registries, for years!) Interestingly, Parker was also a major player in my other chosen breed---pinto donkeys. From what I've read about him in the donkey and mule literature, I doubt that he was an importer of Fjords (he's certainly not mentioned in an NFA article on the early importations). I think it's more likely that Parker got into Fjords by buying them, probably at an auction---maybe ones that got away during the sudden dispersal of the Purdy herd? I had a short exchange of letters with Dave Parker when I was looking for my first Fjord, in 1986. He said that he had sold all of his horses (and I see some of them listed on Bev Tarmina's sale list dated 1985). He also told me, You will love the horses. He was right Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: Fjords at Waverly Horse Sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In regard to Hamlett's horses, I strongly advise against anyone thinking these horses are dead broke and trail ready. My observation of the situation is that Tim has too many horses, too little time, and not nearly enough qualified help. I think he cares in his own way, but not in the right way for the good of his horses. The younger man and his daughters who have worked with most of Tim's horses is pretty rough with them, from what I have personally seen. He uses force to accomplish what should be done with patience and time. (The one exception I know of is Tim's new Danish stallion who is at Patti Jo Walters, I believe.) My husband and I looked at Tim's horses in early 2002 and I was not happy with what I saw, especially with the state the young stock was in. One of his yearling fillies had worn a halter for so long, she had an open infected sore on the side of her face. All of his younglings were head shy and timid. They had obviously not been handled very much and were wary of humans. Perhaps others feel differently about Hamlett's horses. If so, please keep in mind that I don't mean to offend or step on toes. I just want to give my perspective, having been to his place in Arlington, Iowa, several times and seen his stock at Blue Earth. DeeAnna
bells and history
This message is from: fjordcountry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello to all, An amusing story about our jingle bells and fjords. Since this year was the first for our business to do sleigh rides I wanted to get all the horses used to the bells. There would be four teams that would pull the sleigh but several of the other non-fjord riding horses needed to be used to the noise also in case the riding string passed the sleigh team along the trail. The first couple times I simply hung the bell belt around my shoulders when I went out to feed the herd. Non fjords flew all over the place but being true to form the fjords were more interested in chow time!. From there I began buckling the bells around the girth area on Telde, who isn't rattled by much of anything and let her wander around the rest of the herd all through feeding time. In a few days nobody gave a care about the bells and they have been ringing happily ever after! On another note, does anyone know if there was a gentleman by the name of Parker from somewhere in Montana that imported some of the first fjords to the United States? Thanks, Rock'n Kathi
fjordhorse-digest V2003 #50
fjordhorse-digestThursday, February 20 2003Volume 2003 : Number 050 In this issue: Re: Fjords at Waverly Horse Sale Re: Fjords at Waverly Horse Sale Hopeful horse loggers Re: harness bells Re: Fjords at Waverly Horse Sale Re: Sarcoids in sheath? Re: Sarcoids in sheath? Re: Fjords at Waverly Horse Sale Re: Fjords at Waverly Horse Sale Re: breeding problem Proud Bottom Ranch Sisters, OR Re: Proud Bottom Ranch Re: Proud Bottom Ranch horse logging problem with breeding Re: oxen ques Re: Fjords at Waverly Horse Sale Re: New question-problem with breeding Stop making me search through two databases... Re: Stop making me search through two databases... Re: fjordhorse-digest V2003 #49 Re: Stop making me search through two databases... harness bells Re: Sarcoids in sheath? See the end of the digest for information on how to retrieve back issues. -- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:05:58 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fjords at Waverly Horse Sale This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know what day the fjords will be auctioned? Thanks, Linda in MN -- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:17:29 -0500 From: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fjords at Waverly Horse Sale This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:12 AM 2/19/2003 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] The stallion may be going...Tim has 24 Fjords registered to his name. (Of course, maybe the NFHR does not yet have the 2002 babies listed.) There are 4 of them listed. I don't know how many he had but I don't have any pending for him. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:20:59 MDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hopeful horse loggers This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From Rhonda Taylor, Straw Hat Stables to Linda Schleef and other hopeful horse loggers: there is a great website for LT Logging of Maine. They are a horses only logging company. You can email [EMAIL PROTECTED], or get the web site from communities.msn.com.LTlogging. My neighbor just spent the summer logging for the Ramah Restricted Watershed area with a mule team. If there are no horse loggers in your area, check for any mule clubs. Good luck! - -- Jumping through hoops to get E-mail on the road? You've got two choices: Join the circus, or use Molly Mail. Molly Mail -- http://www.mollymail.com - -- Having trouble sending email from different locations ? Need a single outgoing mail server that will work from anywhere ? Set it to smtp.com and never have to change it again ! http://www.smtp.com - -- -- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 18:19:57 -0500 From: Bossmare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: harness bells This message is from: Bossmare [EMAIL PROTECTED] So true. Years ago we boarded at a barn surrounded by popular hunting land. We decided to add a bell to the saddle so hunters would know we were there. We didn't know enough to condition the horses. They were fussy at the walk but we kept getting a faster and faster trot as the bells rang. Not unlike the story my husband told me of an experience he had as a young boy in Belgium and Germany during WWII. He and his brothers were always on alert for bombing raids, German soldiers and the like. He was alone in the woods one day and thought someone was chasing him. The faster he ran, the faster his pursuer ran. Until he realized it was his very own corduroy pants! Lois Berenyi in NJ with two mares who wonder where the grass went under the knee high snow. - - Original Message - From: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Re: harness bells This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re bells. Years ago a man came up with the idea of bridle rosettes with a good sized bell on them. Anything new was picked up rapidly and so there were many serious accidents. Not only the horse wearing the rosettes the first time but also horses near by panicked. So be sure your horse hears those bells for awhile before attaching them to the harness. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, I have also seen bumps on the sheath like this in response to an insect bite. A local spot of inflammation occurs and then a little fibrous bump results. You might just keep a close watch on it. If it doesn't increase in size or change consistency then you might just save your money on the biopsy. BTWmy vet figured that we cured the sarcoids that were there by biopsying them...that it somehow might have ramped up his immune response to them. The biopsy might have caused some local inflammation that allowed the body to penetrate the mass and build an immune response. Sarcoids are caused by a virus and somehow it isolates itself from the body so the body can't attack it. One old method for treating multiple sarcoids was to cut one off, grind it up and mix it with a solution. You would then inject this into the horse. This would be like making a vaccine to the sarcoid. One method I use for some sarcoids is to inject them with an immune stimulant that we use for respiratory infections. It seems doing anything to get the immune system to attack the mass helps recovery. Steve Steve White, DVM Sport Horse Veterinary Service Gretna, NE
harness bells
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] R Taylorthanks for the information on why your grandfather put the bells along the back strap - makes perfect sense to me. Very interesting reading. Linda in MN
Re: Stop making me search through two databases...
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:26 AM 2/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Peter Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does it make sense to only see 35 of Lukas's (C-795) descendants on the US site and then only another (different) 35 on the Canadian site? Not really. Someone or some organization should work on some type of unified database where you get a much more complete picture of a horse, his descendants, history etc. What organization do you think would be willing to take on this very expensive project that would probably have little or no real monetary payback? Don't get me wrong I think it would be great too but I just don't see where the $ would come from. Who's ready to tackle this job? If fact...why can't we just have one association and number horses 'NA' for North America instead of horses having a Canadian and US registration? It's time has come, free trade and all. Lets get together and give people the whole picture. The NFHR will register (and does) Canadian horses. Of course the Canadian Registry will also register US horses. Not sure what the answer is. Sorry. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2003 #49
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Horse bells - I responded about the center or backstrap location of bells. After reviewing the great antique prints of the typical behind-the-gig saddle bells, I taxed my grandfather WHY his Percherons always wore backstrap bells - or bells that only went over the top of the harness at the saddle and the hipstrap. Grandpa Tolliver,(circa 1899) says, 1)Topsy, the Percheron mare caught a hoof in the dangling-below-the-girth bell strap, so he decided NO harness parts would dangle loose below the horse. He shortened the broken strap, and when she was driven alone, wore the bells as a back strap. 2)his team of Topsy and Jet (Percherons) typically wore 40-80 harness bells. He likes bright, clean brass, and got tired of cleaning muck, mud, and ice out of the bells when the horses kicked it up from the road (not all snow is as pristine as Courier and Ives) - so all his harnesses had extra D-rings to connect the bells across the back, but ended at the tugs, so only the girths passed underneath. Sorry if I confused anyone. R.Taylor, Straw Hat Stables -- Jumping through hoops to get E-mail on the road? You've got two choices: Join the circus, or use Molly Mail. Molly Mail -- http://www.mollymail.com -- Having trouble sending email from different locations ? Need a single outgoing mail server that will work from anywhere ? Set it to smtp.com and never have to change it again ! http://www.smtp.com --
Re: Stop making me search through two databases...
This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why can't we have just one association? Because we're two very different countries (I would guess.) I believe the registry in Canada is government administered (connected) somehow. (records in Ottawa) A data base that would encompass both registries would be a major undertaking requiring considerable resources (I imagine) but Mike May can give a more accurate assessment of this possibility I'm sure... if he hasn't just fainted dead away from such a suggestion =))) I can't see that it's that much trouble to look into both. Ruthie, nw mt If fact...why can't we just have one association and number horses 'NA' for North America instead of horses having a Canadian and US registration? It's time has come, free trade and all. Lets get together and give people the whole picture. W Peter Randall Randall Farms. [demime 0.99c.8 removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of W. Peter Randall PM CHRP.vcf]
Stop making me search through two databases...
This message is from: Peter Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you think we are ever going to be able to get the Canadian and American databases combined, correlated or available for cross searching? North America is one. very inter-connected and dependant continent. Horses move between US and Canada no doubt on a weekly basis. Does it make sense to only see 35 of Lukas's (C-795) descendants on the US site and then only another (different) 35 on the Canadian site? Someone or some organization should work on some type of unified database where you get a much more complete picture of a horse, his descendants, history etc. I want to be able to tell the horse went from New Mexico to Alberta to Ontario and then to New York if necessary. To be able to track his owners and progeny through all this. Who's ready to tackle this job? If fact...why can't we just have one association and number horses 'NA' for North America instead of horses having a Canadian and US registration? It's time has come, free trade and all. Lets get together and give people the whole picture. W Peter Randall Randall Farms. [demime 0.99c.8 removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of W. Peter Randall PM CHRP.vcf]
Re: New question-problem with breeding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Rhonda, I don't believe your mare is absorbing the fetus. At 4-5mos. the fetus would be to large to reabsorb and she would instead abort it. Are you sure she loses it at this time or are you just noticing that she is coming back into heat at this time? It could be that she had lost it much earlier, but just didn't come back into to heat right away. I would have a uterine biopsy and culture done to see if there is a problem with the uterus. Once you get her rebred, I would have your vet palpate her once a month to see if and when she does abort. Progesterone supplementing may be useful the first couple of months, but after that the fetus takes over and it is up to it to maintain the pregnancy. I would strongly suggest you go with the biopsy and culture before rebreeding this year. Good luck. Steve Steve White, DVM Sport Horse Veterinary Service Gretna, NE
Re: Fjords at Waverly Horse Sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Waverly Midwest Horse Sale...dispersal of 24 registered Fjords...Another group of 14 Fjords...I have no idea how the Fjords are selling at this sale, this is not the first time... I hear Waverly fjords are affordable - - would love to hear back from anyone on the list who has seen what the trail ready riding fjords tend to go for at Waverly Yep - I got my Waverly preview in the mail yesterday and saw those (above) ! It's a 14 hr one way drive for me. BUT if I could get a trail riding trained fjord that my humble savings could manage to purchase --- I would drive that in a heart beat! :-) I sent an email off to Waverly, asking if they could give an estimate of what the fjords tend to go for. *I* know that I will never be able to afford to buy a fancy high bred registered fjord - with all respects to those who can! I'm jealous! :-) But I am realistic - my love of fjords far surpasses what my wallet can pull together. So my future fjord will likely be a grade or some lesser quality. That's ok -- it's better than no fjord at all. :-) I'm been working towards getting my own fjord for a while. It's going slow, as I was also building a business at the same time (pony ride business). Supporting both of these dreams is very costly (grin) - both meaning getting my fjord *and* building a business, a career, from scratch. Sher
Re: oxen ques
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... I've always wondered. Exactly what is an oxen? Is it a seperate breed or just a trained cow? ... Hey, don't feel bad! :-) MANY folks think there is only one definition of oxen - but it varies depending on what part of the world is talking about it. Most common - an oxen is a castrated male cow who does draft work, like a draft horse. *Also definition* - a specific breed of cattle - male or female, whole or castrated. I've had folks tell me many times there's only one oxen -- but then, I tend to take the word of the chairperson of the Mancha Mini Oxen breed's word for it. Hm, I *think* the chairperson, the breed's founder, just *might* know something of what she's talking about! (big grin) Sher
problem with breeding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Rhonda, I have a mare with exactly the same problem. She cycles fine, gets in foal easily, but will only carry for a few months before aborting. With her, the problem is a damaged uterine wall, probably from a uterine infection at some earlier point in her life. She has the hormones to support the pregnancy, but not the uterine structure, and so when the fetus starts to grow, she slips the foal. You might want to have your vet do a hormonal check-up on her (hormonal imbalance could cause the same problem), as well as a uterine biopsy. It's a simple procedure ,and will save you a great deal of stress if you can figure out what is going on. Jan
