Re: Deworming
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, I think that is going to change..I just read an article that resistance has developed in the Ivermectin group of wormers. I am trying to find the article to give you the reference...I think it was THE HORSE or EQUUS. Scary thing if we lose the Ivermectin group of wormers!Steve White, have you read anything more about this? Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, Still warm at +20-F I've read that there has never been a documented case of resistance to Ivermectin. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: language
This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skeels, Mark A (MED) wrote: I would still like to know what amount and type of feed a few others are giving in northern, cold climates where their horses are kept outside all the time. In northern I mean where there are a distinct 4 seasons with temperatures reaching maybe -30 or so for a couple weeks in the winter, but usually between zero and 25 degrees thru those winter months. Hi Mark, Our fjords get hay twice a day and at night they get 1/4 pound of 12 % grain each with no corn in it (this is so we can feed then selenium and minerals.) They get about 1/4 bale each twice a day and the bales are around 40 pounds. They are not worked a lot in the winter and can get fat on this amount of food as well. They basically get fat on grass during the summer/fall and I work all winter taking it off. The hay is grass hay... never alfalfa. The youngsters get more. One year olds get 2 pounds of grain (16%) twice a day and if they start getting pudgy we back off. By the time they are two they are usually down to 1/2 pound twice a day. We are in a low selenium area so we make sure they each get a proper dose each day. Our fjords are all out 24 / 7 with access to run in sheds. The only time they get to come in the barn is if they are soaking wet and its 30 degrees (F) and they are shivering. This doesn't happen very often. We get them dried off over night and they are back out. The other horses (boarders) get the stalls. Hope this helps Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm Washburn, WI (Where it gets cold... real cold)
Re: Deworming
This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jean, I've read that there has never been a documented case of resistance to Ivermectin. Plus I'm not sure how this would lead to such a situation. I would think resistance would be built up by under medicating. I guess running a boarding farm with horses coming and going makes me worm more than I probably need to but with only a couple of foals at a time the expense seems worth it to me. At our old place with just our own horses we were a little more relaxed. Mark Jean Ernest wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, to deworm with Ivermectin every 6-8 weeks when on daily Strongid-C is a waste of money. And, Steve, Isn't it more likely to result in resistance of parasites to Ivermectin? Also, do you recommend doing a check for worm eggs in poop samples occassionally? Jean in Fairbanks, ALaska, who has been feeding Fjords since 1987..beats Joel! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
replies editing
This message is from: jerrell friz [EMAIL PROTECTED] DeeAnna, Wrote When you reply to a person's post to the Fjord List, please EDIT the original post to the few specific lines that directly pertain to your reply. -- Excellent idea, Many of the posts make no since to me, or it takes forever to figure them out. Tough on folks like myself. I should be out working the horses anyway. But it is dark and raining. Regards, Jerry Friz, Anderson, Ca. every farm needs a team
Re: language
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lori Albrough wrote: Each horse gets 16 pounds of mostly-grass-with-some-alfalfa hay per day. Each horse also gets one pound of Hi-Fat/Hi-Fiber pellets and a half-cup of mineral pellets (Equilizer). That is Just about the same as what I am feeding! What brand is your High-Fiber/hi Fat Pellets? I think that Equine Senior fits that description, according to Dr. Beth Valentine On the Rural Heritage virtual vet clinic. http://www.ruralheritage.com/vet_clinic/index.htm Jean in Fairbanks, ALaska. +20F Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please EDIT your replies to this list!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's time again for a gentle reminder: When you reply to a person's post to the Fjord List, please EDIT the original post to the few specific lines that directly pertain to your reply. Some people have been sending the whole entire original LONG post back to the Fjord List. I don't know how other people perceive this issue, but it seems insensitive and borderline rude to me. Recent examples of this discourtesy include replies to the topics of Re: ground flax and Re: 'The Law of Value' - as it applies to Fjordhorses. DeeAnna
Re: language
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/9/2003 7:58:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would still like to know what amount and type of feed a few others are giving in northern, cold climates where their horses are kept outside all the time. I live in Northern Minnesota. I feed my 10 year old mare 1 cup of oats and two flakes of grass hay twice a day. I feed the 4 year old gelding about 2 lbs. of oats and two flakes of hay twice a day. He has trouble keeping the weight in the winter. Ordinarily I would have cut back his grain by this age. They only go into teh barn when they want to. Szuan Come to the edge he said; We are afraid they said. Come to the edge he said; They came. He pushed them; and they flew. - Guillaume Appolinaire
Re: Winter temps in Norway (Dagrun still trying to learn Fahrenheit)
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] That happens mostly when we get an inversion with the very cold air at the ground and warmer air above it. As a really frigid cold spell continues for a few days,an inversion will form and the folks who live in town or in the lower valleys get the coldest air. In town ice fog builds up so visibility becomes zero. but on the hills, the temps may be 20-30 degrees warmer, Could be -50 in town and -10 or warmer up on the ridges. Of course the ideal situation for a home is up in the Banana belt where it often never gets below -20. My place is sort of in between, 10 degrees warmer than town, but colder than the ridgetops. I am usually 10 degrees warmer than the folks who live across the road, as my place i about 50 feet higher than the road. My fjords bask in the sunshine, as weak as it may be, standing broadside to the horizontal mid day sun. No wind here, but windy on the ridgetops as the warm air starts to come in. Jean in MILD and balmy Fairbanks, Alaska, warmed up to + 20 today! One unique frigid thing that I recall about extreme cold weather in Canada was the way that smoke and exhaust plumes would fall down to the ground chimney smoke would slide down the roof and fall onto the ground car exhaust would dangerously pile up on the highways at intersections, obstructing visibility. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: language
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skeels, Mark A (MED) wrote: I would still like to know what amount and type of feed a few others are giving in northern, cold climates where their horses are kept outside all the time. Hi Mark, We live in the southern part of Ontario, in Canada. It gets pretty cold and snowy here in winter. All my young horses (3 and under) live outside. The outdoor horses are out in two groups (fillies and geldings separate) in paddocks with big run-in sheds with heated water bowls, and they come in the barn to have their evening feed, then go back out. They get four hay feedings per day and grain with the evening feed. Each horse gets 16 pounds of mostly-grass-with-some-alfalfa hay per day. I weigh the bales and the flakes when I get my hay in, and then go by feel for the rest of the year. So I am sort-of scientific about it. If it is very cold I would throw some extra hay for them - but this doesn't happen all that often. I keep a good eye on them and feel their body condition under the coat so I know if I need to be a bit more or less generous. I also get a hay analysis done each year so I know where the numbers are at, so I can balance the Ca:Ph ratio if necessary. Each horse also gets one pound of Hi-Fat/Hi-Fiber pellets and a half-cup of mineral pellets (Equilizer). I've had good luck with the weight tape correlating to my horses real weights. On the times we've had occasion to go to the Ontario Vet College, the horses get put on the scale first thing and it's always said about what I expected. Mostly they weigh in the 900 to 1,050 pound range. You put the tape about where the saddle girth goes and tighten it up snug to get a reading. Lori Lori Albrough Bluebird Lane Fjords Moorefield Ontario http://www.bluebirdlane.com
Feeding, weight tapes, blankets, barns, etc.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean wrote: ...I figure an average of 1 50 lb bale/day of grass hay for four Fjords over the year Sounds about right to me, Jean. In the winter, I feed two 45-55 lb bales of alfalfa or mixed grass-alfalfa hay to 7 fjords and 1 small belgian mare. (We live in dairy country -- not too much all-grass hay produced around here.) The horses get more hay if the weather is cold + windy + rainy and less if there's grass to eat. I also feed oats occasionally for a treat. Our elder pony Biscuit who lives in my front yard gets her own hay + oats + oil combo to keep her weight on. I don't worry too much about the weight tape numbers to figure out if a horse is overweight or not -- instead I feel the neck, ribs, loin and rump for excess fat. Even when the horses are looking trim and fit, it seems like Fjords keep a little more padding around their ribs than other breeds. So with them I worry more about an excess of padding on the neck and loin/rump area. Mike, a Fjord we bought a couple of months ago, had a bubble butt, a cresty neck, and lumpy fat deposits on his abdomen when we got him. Yikes! He's losing his excess weight slowly -- and he will be a heck of a nice looking horse when he's trim again. When I worm our horses, I do sometimes use a weight tape, but I have no real idea if the tape is accurate. It sounds like it's not, from what you all have been saying here. I usually use ivermectin and other wormers with a wide margin of safety on the dosage, so I don't get too worried about this issue. I don't own any horse blankets and only have a run-in area for the horses to get out of the wind and rain if they want. Most of the time they don't seem to care about the shed. I've noticed a difference this fall and winter though, now that we have Agnes, born 7/30/03. The big horses take her into the shed so she can sleep dry at night -- it's kinda cute how they all protect her. Her momma Sissel (from the Jensen's Trinity Fjords) feeds Aggie very well and Aggie is quite willing to chow down her alfalfa with her doting uncle Mike, an older fjord gelding. She's quite the butterball with an unusually thick woolly curly coat. I have only seen a horse shiver when it's cold + windy + rainy -- the shivering ones were were a thin skinned paint gelding and our Biscuit. I have used my own barn coat or an old people blanket as a makeshift blanket. Although I watch Aggie closely, especially in bad weather, she seems quite comfortable so far this winter. DeeAnna Northeast Iowa
Re: Mosier Country Christmas Fair
This message is from: shawna smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didn't have brakes Sat so it was Toad's Wild Ride going downthe hills. I can't begin to imagine going down a hill without a brake. I thought brakes were a must-have??? Jord will make his plowing debut at the Ethel WA plowing competition 2nd weekend in Feb. Don't know exact date but if you really care let me know I'll get back to you. I would like to know when it is. Things are usually slower around here in February. thanks, Shawnafrom the wet side of Oregon
earthquake!
This message is from: sandra church [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi-today was unique...we had an earthquake-only a 4.5 on the Richter scale-but enough to get my adrenaline flowing! I first heard a low rumble then my house started shaking the windows rattling. It subsided then started up again so I ran to wake up my very sick (flu) 18 year old son told him that we needed to get out of the house. While waiting at the back door for him, I watched the horsesthey were totally ignoring the whole thing! Loki was watching me...probably hoping that my appearance meant that he would get fed! Meanwhile my house cat come flying up from the basement she appeared to be very frightened. I've read where horses are supposed to be sensitive to earthquakes but mine were much calmer than I was. The four deer grazing in the pasture never lifted their heads! Luckily, no damage...Sandra in Va. Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products!
Re: Deworming
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And, Steve, Isn't it more likely to result in resistance of parasites to Ivermectin? Also, do you recommend doing a check for worm eggs in poop samples occassionally? I suppose if the strongid is doing it's job, there wouldn't be anything there to get resistance. Yes, a stool sample once or twice a year isn't a bad idea to ensure that your program is effective. It would be a lot cheaper than additional wormers too. Steve White, DVM Sport Horse Veterinary Service Gretna, NE
RE: Winter temps in Norway (Dagrun still trying to learn Fahrenheit)
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, Dagrun, we get square tires here in AlaskaWe also plug in our vehicles with an engine block or circulating heater. All businesses have posts in the parking lots with electrical outlets to plug in your car. Even that won't help sometimes, at -50F the engine may start OK but you can't move the wheels because someone forgot to put winter grease in the bearings! And the seats are as hard as concrete. Oh yes, fun stuff! We haven't had -50 (except in low areas) for several years..and I don't miss it a bit! Someone told me once they parked a car over night there and the rubber froze so the wheels were not round until the rubber warmed up again. Not sure if it's true, but sounds cool. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Deworming
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, to deworm with Ivermectin every 6-8 weeks when on daily Strongid-C is a waste of money. And, Steve, Isn't it more likely to result in resistance of parasites to Ivermectin? Also, do you recommend doing a check for worm eggs in poop samples occassionally? Jean in Fairbanks, ALaska, who has been feeding Fjords since 1987..beats Joel! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
language
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frankly I am tired of the bad language and gouging that is going on. Do this privately if you have to. It does not make sense to subject the rest of us to it. What ever happened to Steve?? He used to run a tight ship. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946-49 $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Deworming
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark, Yes, Ivermectin does kill more stages of parasites than Strongid. However, the Strongid-C when fed daily prevents the parasites from reestablishing themselves in the horse. Therefore, there is no need to keep deworming with Ivermectin. You initially give the Ivermectin to clear out the horse. Then you immediately start the Strongid-C. The reason that you deworm at the end of the year (after hard frost) again with Ivermectin is to kill the bots which Strongid doesn't prevent. If you have a severe bot problem you can hit them with an Ivermectin in mid-summer. Bots rarely cause that much of a problem so the late year deworming is usually sufficient. So, to deworm with Ivermectin every 6-8 weeks when on daily Strongid-C is a waste of money. Steve White, DVM Sport Horse Veterinary Service Gretna, NE
Re: The Law of Value - as it applies to Fjordhorses
This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is so well put, Carol. I'm going to forward it onto my husband who is having a hard time with that concept where horses are concerned. And it is true with everything. I can't tell you how many times I've gone with something cheaper and ended up buying the more expensive thing anyway because the cheaper item was disappointing. Now I'm out even more money! We bought a paint pony for $2800 for my 11 year old daughter that was supposed to be well trained. Ha! The horse was quite overweight and seemed very docile. Once the weight came off the rearing started. She is now being retrained (more money) and may even have back problems (more money). I will not sell her to some unsuspecting person, so I will not recoup my money. And even if I could I get so attached to animals that it is hard to part. I should have held out for a well trained Fjord. Heavy sigh... Tamara --- Arthur Rivoire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Arthur Rivoire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm - Some years ago, I happened on a quote called 'The Law of Value' It is unwise to pay too much, but unwise to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money, that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing you bought it to do. . . . . - John Ruskin, English Philosopher 1819 - 1900 I was so impresed with this quote that I have it taped to my desk, and never forget it as we buy, sell, and take Fjords on consignment for people. I also remember The Law when we're buying things for the farm, and if I'm tempted to go for the bargain, I remember the best example we've had of The Law. That was the Manure Spreader' costing $600 and supposed to be perfect for the small family farm. Hah! The damn thing was totally useless. The wheels buckled with the first load. $600 lost, and back to spreading manure by hand. --Not just money lost, but time and backbreaking labor . . . After that, whenever we've had to buy a piece of equipment, we try to get the most heavy duty model available, and know the extra we're paying is money well spent. Tonight as I talked to a recent customer, I was reminded of the 'Law of Value' quote. This lady recently bought an older mare from us. The mare was beautifully trained to do absolutely everything --- wonderful temperament --- totally dependable with any age, including the youngest child --- in excellent health and condition. --- Not cheap, but very good value. This new owner has had the mare for a month, and already she's riding and driving, and enjoying this mare with her husband, children, and grandchildren. The lady is very well satisfied, and says over and over again how perfect the horse is for her. It seems to me that the THE LAW OF VALUE applies more to horse purchases than to anything else. You might lose money, time, and your temper with other cheap purchases, but buying a bargain horse can hurt you, or kill you. Tonight as I was talking to this new Fjord owner, she told me about her last horse purchase. -- It was an inexpensive horse that was supposed to be a driving horse. She never did hitch it, thank goodness, because this horse ended up putting her in the hospital for two surgeries costing $6,000. -- A really classic example of the thing you bought not being capable of doing the thing you bought it to do. And this lady is not an amateur. She's been driving since she was 7 years old. When my customer first started thinking about buying this good mare we had on consignment, her horse friends and family tried hard to talk her out of it. They said - the mare is too old . . .she's too expensive . . . you can find something else younger/cheaper. . Finally, the lady went with her own feelings, and bought the mare, and ever since the day of delivery, she's been totally delighted, and so pleased she bought the horse despite all the naysayers. During our telephone conversation tonight, all I could think of was that there isn't a better story to illustrate THE LAW OF VALUE. And, I don't think there's another commodity that illustrates this quote from John Ruskin more than horses bought for leisuretime enjoyment. If the thing you bought is incapable of doing the thing you bought it to do . . . . --- It's most certainly not good value. And most certainly won't bring you the enjoyment you were looking for. And it will cost you time . . . And maybe hurt you . . . . Or worse! Certainly I know there are genuine bargains to be found. However, it stands to reason -- not many of them, and they're not easily found even by experts, those in the loop so to
Wagon rides
This message is from: Les D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joels story about no brakes reminded me about a job I did in Downtown Los Angeles 26 years ago. I was giving free rides in a VERY steep part with a all oak and steel wagon ( about 2500 lb. empty ) that we could get about 24 people on. I was pulling it with a nice, well broke, 4 up of P.O.A.s that I had started myself. I had a person riding and heading on the back seat. My plan was to work across the area so that I did not have to face the hills ( not up or down ). Every thing went well tell we turned on this one street and I came to the end where it hit a one way street going down hill. I had no choice but to turn my horses down hill. The horses were great at holding this wagon back but there is limits and our brakes were not working. I had to let them go and hope to pull them in at the bottom of the hill. The next problem was at the next cross street was 2 men in 2 cars talking in the middle of the street, I yelled at them and they disappeared. Next problem the bottom of the hill was one of the main streets in L A. . We hit it just right and slipped into traffic. I looked back and all the people had that wonderful smile of a great E ride but I needed a clothes change. My helper was not a horse person so even she was happy but didn't know the truth. The horses were barefoot so we were though for the day. It was one of the scariest rides of my over 30 year pro work no one got hurt but the wheel team did not need trimming for a while ( no horse was sore ). Brakes are the only way to go with a heave wagon or??. Les Margaret H. Callahan,Ca
Cheep
This message is from: lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol, Great Quote... Rune has a similar one... It is expensive being cheep. I could give other examples, but the ones you mentioned were good ones. The real art is to convey it to others. You do this well. Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden Home of Norwegian Fjord Horses Fjord Calendar available with each month being a different photo. www.cafepress.com/fjordsusa
Christmas Fjord on EBAY
This message is from: lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2208511356category=33857rd=1 Here is a Christmas Fjord Ornament on Ebay for 99c.
RE: Winter temps in Norway (Dagrun still trying to learn Fahrenheit)
This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where I grew up in Eastern Norway close to Hamar, temperatures rarely go lower than 20 below, like Janne said (-29 C) Just a little further north, up in the mountains close to the border to Sweden, there is a cold hole where it gets as cold as -40 C (-40 F - that one is easy to remember! I didn't even know!). Someone told me once they parked a car over night there and the rubber froze so the wheels were not round until the rubber warmed up again. Not sure if it's true, but sounds cool. I do OK in outdoor activities (once I am used to it) down to around -18 C ( 0 F), below that is too cold for me to go on long trail rides and stuff. The horses get little ice balls dangling in their whiskers from their breath, but they all seem fine with the cold. Dagrun in San Jose, Ca, where +40 F feels cold...
Re: Mosier Country Christmas Fair,, Tape Measures
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It also amazes me how my 14.1 hand horses are taller than some 14.2-14.3 horses I have seen. HOW TRUE--Years ago we were talking with someone long distance(before e-mail) about a Thoroughbred mare. We were consistantly told she was 15-3. Since it was a ways to go we ask that they again measure her--they did(or so they said) and yes-she is 15-3. We hooked up the trailer and went on a long road trip. You guessed it--she turned out to be 14-2!! They said that she should have been 15-3 but that she was stunted when young! Oh well, we had a nice drive there and back with our empty trailer! Barb Lynch Benton City, WA
Fjord temperament
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Back in 1986, when I bought my first Fjord from Nancy Clow (Lehnert), we were discussing some of the ongoing breed flaps. I inquired how/why such sweet horses ended up in the hands of such contentious people. Nancy grinned, and allowed as how Fjords were likely the only breed that could put up with some of those folks Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: Deworming
This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Steve, I might be wrong but doesn't Ivermectin kill more worms and stages than Stongid? This is my thinking, so that is why I give them a dose of Ivermectin every couple of months. Just to be sure. Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I raise mine on daily wormer as soon as they eat grain consistently and paste worm them every 6-8 weeks. Mark, If you are feeding daily wormer, why the paste wormer every 6-8wks? Steve Steve White, DVM Sport Horse Veterinary Service Gretna, NE
Drawn Quartered
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dearest Mark, Thank you for responding to my post. I bled the brakes Fri night they worked just FINE. But I didn't have any fat asses to put on the wagon to make sure the brakes would hold on the hills as I built the shop with a transit. So you don't dump a load in your pants, the horses held back the load with NO problems - would your overweight fjords do the same? See, mine work for a living, do yours? If you are really concerned with how overweight your animals are then take then to the local auction yard weigh them. Then quit feeding them grain. They don't need it unless they are working HARD every day. By the way, I have fed fjords since 1988. How long have you been following the MONEY? I never got the MONEY because I kept fjords for what they are, HEAVY BONED PONIES DESIGNED FOR DRAFT WORK!!! While are on the subject of dissing each other - how many NON FJORD venues do you attend? I do a plowing match in Feb, Mar, May, the Eagle Crest Draft Horse show in July, Dufur Threshing Bee in Aug, Or State Fair in Sept, Pendleton Round-Up parade in Sept. Mosier Country Xmas Fair in Dec., lots of farm work in between. Woody Hoopes shows up at Ethel Wilson Ck but that's it. We can get either get along or we can get in a real pissing match. I bet you aren't even close to being mean enough to out piss me. I don't even see anyone except for Riviore posting on this list that has been in it as long as I have. Excuse me, Jenson posts every now then. Rest of them don't bother trying to educate newbies. Last time I attended a fjord only event was the evaluation at Days Creek I was embarrassed by the number of dopes on the rope I'm not referring to the horses. It isn't the horses fault the human being doesn't have a clue. Cordially, Joel Harman Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
Lead Balloon
This message is from: lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joel, Must mean that if the comment was a lead balloon on the Oregon Fjord List, that no one on the list was interested in going to the State Fair with their Fjord. For promotions and for publicity...It would be great to have classes for Fjord only at the State Fair, but I for one would not be able to attend... Would you attend and participate with your barn full of Fjords? In order to make it worth the Fair's time to put a class or two in their program, we need to be sure the Fjords will be there and participate fully. It is much better to not ask until we have enough people to make a good showing. In the meanwhile, there are OPEN breed classes that a person can participate in at the State Fair. The Claussen's have attended and drove their gelding in many driving classes. I believe they actually won overall driving horse many times. I am not up on the State Horse Showing activity. It is not where my interest are. So there... your comment is on longer a lead balloon... you received a reply. Heck, there are many times in email conversations that a comment will go with out replies... it is part of the system. Do say hello to Wanda, let her know that I am working on the script for the EXPO. I had asked the Oregon List to get back to me if they want anything new on the script about their farms... I did not get a reply from anyone... I did not think it to be a lead balloon... just that people were busy... Do mention it to her and have her email back her reply when she can. Deadline is the end of this month without the $30.00 penalty. - Thanks Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden Home of Norwegian Fjord Horses Fjord Calendar available with each month being a different photo. www.cafepress.com/fjordsusa
Re: Mosier Country Christmas Fair,, Tape Measures
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/8/2003 6:15:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It also amazes me how my 14.1 hand horses are taller than some 14.2-14.3 horses I have seen. I just had to laugh at this one!! It's always been amusing to me how some people seem to be using a bit smaller hand than I do. My favorite was a school friend with a 17 hand Appy When we finally got to actually go riding together, her horse turned out to be about 2 inches shorter than my 15.1 QH mare. Amy (Where it's snowing hard this AM, and the fuzzies are having a blast running, bucking snorting!) Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ground flax
This message is from: D. Antaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks so much for the info, Jean!! Happy Holidays, Denise From: Jean Ernest Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: ground flax Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 09:49:35 -0900 This message is from: Jean Ernest Yes, I feed fresh ground flax to all of my Fjords, started old Bjarne on it when I was trying to get his weight up, The whole ground seed provides not only the omega 3 oils but some protein and some plant lignans that have many benefits, for people and well as animals. I eat it myself! NOT LINSEED MEAL! Which I guess has the protein, etc but most of the oil is removed. Flax is good for coats, good for lots of things. Some have found it good for Sweet Itch and other skin problems.Some references can be found on the virtual vet page: http://www.ruralheritage.com/ search for Flax in the Virtual Vet Section. Lots of good suff on this website, much of the EPSM info can be applies to Fjord also. Also you can search for Flax on the CD-L archives: http://listserv.dartmouth.edu/scripts/wa.exe?S1=cd-l Here is part of one message Friend of mine recently shared an article with me that appeared in the Paint Horse Journal, about how to battle no-see-ums, which are potentially the cause of the itchy mane. The prime ingredient in the battle is flax seeds. Apparently the Omega 3 oils in the seeds combat the allergy to the insect bites. Another message: I buy my flax seed meal in a 50 lb. sack from the Farmers' Co-op. It's stored in a trash can with a tight lid and I dish out a feed scoopful into a 2nd container. It is important for those who are just learning about flax seed as a supplement for horses (or any other beings) that there are whole flax seeds and then the flax seed meal. From what I understand (I don't use flax only because we can get fresh rice bran for the oil and phytonutrients) the flax seed has to be crushed, soaked or opened in some other means in order to be useful to the horse. Otherwise it will just slide on thru them. Its great that you can get the flax seed already reduced to meal, and that you know its fragile quality. Oxidation is the culprit in reducing the value of the meal if not fed while still fresh. I know of several folks (with just one or two horses) who just crush their own before feeding. And a large show barn I used to board my horses at feed the flax seed after soaking it in hot water for quite a while. [end quote] I buy my flax seed from the natural foods section of Fred Meyer grocery store...In bulk, it is $.69-$.79/lb, and I just bought a whole 25# bag through the store for a discount. You may get it cheaper outside. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, just getting light at almost 10:00am -25 F Just saw a post re: feeding ground flax to the Fjords...I had heard that this (or flax seed oil) was good for their coats in winter...is this why you supplement with the flax? Or is there another reason, I would be interested in any info about this, THANKS! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here.
Re: 1400 to 1500 lb fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your fjords weigh this much you should be drwan quartered. Well, I can't say I agree with the drawing and quartering a Fjord owner, but I must say, when I measured my 13.3/14.0 hh five-year-old gelding, he was right around 900 lbs - according to a standard weight tape. The vets rate him a 6 or 7 on the body condition scale. His sister, who will be three next month, is about 13.1ish, with a leaner build (but still around a 6 on the body condition scale) was around 700-750 lbs the last time I measured her. She has gained some since then, but probably not a lot. Neither of them are very drafty, though. I wouldn't be surprised if a really drafty Fjord weighted substantially more. Jamie In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO
Re: The Law of Value - as it applies to Fjordhorses
This message is from: Arthur Rivoire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm - Some years ago, I happened on a quote called 'The Law of Value' It is unwise to pay too much, but unwise to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money, that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing you bought it to do. . . . . - John Ruskin, English Philosopher 1819 - 1900 I was so impresed with this quote that I have it taped to my desk, and never forget it as we buy, sell, and take Fjords on consignment for people. I also remember The Law when we're buying things for the farm, and if I'm tempted to go for the bargain, I remember the best example we've had of The Law. That was the Manure Spreader' costing $600 and supposed to be perfect for the small family farm. Hah! The damn thing was totally useless. The wheels buckled with the first load. $600 lost, and back to spreading manure by hand. --Not just money lost, but time and backbreaking labor . . . After that, whenever we've had to buy a piece of equipment, we try to get the most heavy duty model available, and know the extra we're paying is money well spent. Tonight as I talked to a recent customer, I was reminded of the 'Law of Value' quote. This lady recently bought an older mare from us. The mare was beautifully trained to do absolutely everything --- wonderful temperament --- totally dependable with any age, including the youngest child --- in excellent health and condition. --- Not cheap, but very good value. This new owner has had the mare for a month, and already she's riding and driving, and enjoying this mare with her husband, children, and grandchildren. The lady is very well satisfied, and says over and over again how perfect the horse is for her. It seems to me that the THE LAW OF VALUE applies more to horse purchases than to anything else. You might lose money, time, and your temper with other cheap purchases, but buying a bargain horse can hurt you, or kill you. Tonight as I was talking to this new Fjord owner, she told me about her last horse purchase. -- It was an inexpensive horse that was supposed to be a driving horse. She never did hitch it, thank goodness, because this horse ended up putting her in the hospital for two surgeries costing $6,000. -- A really classic example of the thing you bought not being capable of doing the thing you bought it to do. And this lady is not an amateur. She's been driving since she was 7 years old. When my customer first started thinking about buying this good mare we had on consignment, her horse friends and family tried hard to talk her out of it. They said - the mare is too old . . .she's too expensive . . . you can find something else younger/cheaper. . Finally, the lady went with her own feelings, and bought the mare, and ever since the day of delivery, she's been totally delighted, and so pleased she bought the horse despite all the naysayers. During our telephone conversation tonight, all I could think of was that there isn't a better story to illustrate THE LAW OF VALUE. And, I don't think there's another commodity that illustrates this quote from John Ruskin more than horses bought for leisuretime enjoyment. If the thing you bought is incapable of doing the thing you bought it to do . . . . --- It's most certainly not good value. And most certainly won't bring you the enjoyment you were looking for. And it will cost you time . . . And maybe hurt you . . . . Or worse! Certainly I know there are genuine bargains to be found. However, it stands to reason -- not many of them, and they're not easily found even by experts, those in the loop so to speak. -- I know for a fact that I couldn't have duplicated this mare our customer bought from us. I simply couldn't have found such a good horse anywhere, at any price. -- And something else to keep in mind is that nobody knows just how good, or not so good a horse is UNTIL they've consistently worked with it. -- This may apply more to Fjords than other breeds because almost all Fjords are people oriented and friendly .. . . BUT this does NOT mean they are trained, easy to ride/drive, and have good work ethics. -- You don't know any of these things if the horse isn't in current and consistent work. I can be as tightfisted as the next jperson, and sometimes when I'm buying an expensive thing, I have to force myself to remember The Law of lue. -- HOWEVER, once the thing is bought and working well, you forget the price. You sure as hell don't curse the price you paid when using something that's working well day in and day out, and doing exactly the job you bought it to do, and you're enjoying yourself more than you ever thought possible. On the contrary, rather than thinking how much
Re: Deworming
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I raise mine on daily wormer as soon as they eat grain consistently and paste worm them every 6-8 weeks. Mark, If you are feeding daily wormer, why the paste wormer every 6-8wks? Steve Steve White, DVM Sport Horse Veterinary Service Gretna, NE
Re: weight tapes, 1500#
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jerry, I feed this when the temps are averaging -20F to -30F, not all the time! Obviously, you wouldn't feed that much in California? Yet you said you're feeding 18-20 lbs grass hay...I feed only about 12 lbs grass hay in warmer seasons, (Brome/timothy IS grass hay, you know) and only about 1/2 lb grain and supplements. Old Bjarne seems to need the greater amount of senior feed and supplements to keep his weight up, he is 28 1/2 years old and was extremely thin, poor condition last spring. He is in great shape now. So I believe he needs the Equine senior as he doesn't seem to get the nutrition he needs out of just hay and the cob I was feeding him last year. equine senior actually is a lower carbohydrate feed than COB, so they are actually getting LESS grain. Basically, you're feeding 3-5 lbs more grass hay than I do even in the -20 degree weather, and your horses live in a mild climate! And I seem to remember that your Fjords were always much fatter than mine when you lived in Wasilla, AK! LOL Jean in Fairbanks, ALaska, warming up to -8 tonight! Jean feeds 15 lbs of Brome/Timothy hay to each fjord plus about 1 lb Equine senior, 1/4 lb calf manna, 1 oz Sho-glo vitamins and 1/4 cup ground flax. Old Bjarne gets 4 lbs Equine senior and 1/2 cup ground flax plus the calf manna and vitamins in addition to the hay.. --- I feed only grass hay, about 18 to 20 pounds, and 1/2 cup of TNT [supplement] by Dynamite. That's it, unless they are in hard competition , and/ or, working, than I feed [several pounds] Dynamite grain [dry cob], and a small amount of alfalfa. I do increase the grass hay when it's cold and rainy. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
weight tapes, 1500#
This message is from: jerrell friz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean feeds 15 lbs of Brome/Timothy hay to each fjord plus about 1 lb Equine senior, 1/4 lb calf manna, 1 oz Sho-glo vitamins and 1/4 cup ground flax. Old Bjarne gets 4 lbs Equine senior and 1/2 cup ground flax plus the calf manna and vitamins in addition to the hay.. --- Wow Jean, If I feed this much grain, and the other stuff my horses would weigh 1200, to 1500 pounds. I feed only grass hay, about 18 to 20 pounds, and 1/2 cup of TNT [supplement] by Dynamite. That's it, unless they are in hard competition , and/ or, working, than I feed [several pounds] Dynamite grain [dry cob], and a small amount of alfalfa. I do increase the grass hay when it's cold and rainy. My four year- old Fjord gelding ,14.2h, taped 920 # yesterday. [He has whithers!] Although he weighs about 15 percent more. He will weigh about 1050# on the scales. This is because of dense bone, slow growth . He was not raised on a high protein diet. Mares milk is 10 percent protein, why feed 20 percent or more??? I figure he will continue to grow for another 2 years. I also find that tapes can be quite accurate. Just need to find how much your horse weighs on the scales, then use the tape, with the correction up or down. If your horse has been on a high protein diet ,then the tape will be more accurate. [ less dense bone] They discovered this in race horses some time back. Track T/B's, are constantly being weighed. I use the Henneke chart for body condition. I try to maintain a 5. If you want to look at the chart go to www.kritters.net/hen/hen.htmlhttp://www.kritters.net/hen/hen.html Please,, don't read into this that I am against alfalfa. Alfalfa is a great feed, a little goes a long ways. Alfalfa roots can go down into the soil 30 or more feet. Alfalfa contains a lot of minerals. A big problem with all hays now is the huge amount of nitrates, chemicals, that growers are using. And the chemicals that they inject into the hay as they are baling. It's all about the dollar, never mind the health of the horse or cow. [Good idea to know your grower, ask them what they use] It is very hard to get good hay here in Ca. Oh, it looks good nice and green BUT, high in nitrates. If in doubt have your hay tested. Regards, Jerry Friz Anderson, Ca. every farm needs a team
Re: Deworming
This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Joel, I raise mine on daily wormer as soon as they eat grain consistently and paste worm them every 6-8 weeks. They look good and grow up nice. When I brought one of my colts to Blue Earth a lot of people thought he was older than his age. Not tall just mature looking. He was a yearling at the time. I really don't have a control group to compare to since they all get this worming schedule but I think it makes a big difference when I look at other young. Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm Washburn, WI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone tried deworming monthly up to 24 mo? Thanks, Joel Harman
