RE: NFHR Logo
This message is from: Frederick J. Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I were able to vote: Leave the LOGO ALONE Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus 2004. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/friendlyfred98
Re: LOGO - REPLY from committee chairman
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Catherine, The current Logo shows the team of Fjords as harness horses. It was the thought of the BOD that we should have a logo that does not select one particular sport. The Fjord is versatile and that the logo should reflect just that... the uniqueness of the horse. I do not see our logo as a team of harness horses. When I see our logo, I see two distinctive and irreplaceable Norwegian Fjord Horses, working as a team in unison, wearing a harness of Norwegian heritage. The fact of the Fjord being such an old breed speaks for itself in regard to versatility. We have numerous opportunities to display photos and artwork depicting this. Personally, I cannot even imagine how much more unique we can get then with the logo we are using presently and have successfully used for the last 25 years. I agree with Ruthie on this one, that is, if I read her post correctly. :) The logo is like our standard, our flag, our family crest. This is not something that just gets changed at the whim of a few BOD members. This is something that requires serious thought and also, entire membership approval. The Norwegian Fjord IS unique. The logo says it all. You as members of NFHR do vote on the Bylaws and on your BOD members. You as members are asked to jump in and run of the BOD and to help create the future of NFHR. Your voice is thru your BOD members. Talk to them, run for the BOD, volunteer for a committee. Indeed, we do vote on the bylaws and the BOD members. However, we do not, or at least I do not, expect said BOD members to make such monumental decisions without membership discussion and approval. Furthermore, nor have I heard the BOD members ask US what we wish.and after all, it is common knowledge the BOD members are acting as our representatives, correct? If each and every vote of the BOD had to go to the membership, we would not get one thing done. This has, as usual, gotten out of hand. None of us have asked to have the membership vote on every single item. Some of us are disturbed that a fundamental part of the registry, the logo, is being potentially replaced without our input. Simple as that. As for running for the BODI am surprised we do not use a nomination system, personally. I do not know about other members, but trying to vote for the best possible director is next to impossible. We are given small blurbs about the person's apparent philosophies, and this is it. Not all of us know every person who is a member, so how can we adequately vote for BOD members that are there to serve the purpose that is best for the Norwegian Fjord versus personal goals or some type of hidden agenda? Lynda Lynda
Re: Dangers of Rough Clay Pastures?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Gail- Yes, I would say clay is extremely dangerous for several reasons. When newly wet, it's an ice skating rink; horses and people take one step and slide several feet. When soaked, it's knee-high shoe-eating glue. In these conditions, horses can pivot and pull something in their leg, slip and fall, or slip and get their leg stuck in something, causing laceration when they struggle free. Horses can also be cornered by more aggressive horses because they don't have traction to get away. All of these things I have seen myself. When dry, clay turns super hard (think clay pots) including all the divots made by hooves when it was wet; very easy to trip and fall. Then there's the clay beads that collect in hairy Fjord fetlocks, a nightmare ending in shaved fetlocks. You don't even want to see a horse after it rolls in clay! / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
Re: Katie Kandi
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/19/2004 8:15:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was wrong... a few days ago I posted a question in which I referred to our Fjord Katie as being nearly 16 hands. We just remeasured her, and she's scarcely over 15. She's still a pretty big girl, though, for a Fjord. ** Funny you should say this. Fjords look bigger than they are because of their bulk. People often ask me if Rafael is 16 hands and he's not even 15! / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
Re: Color tid-bits
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/18/2004 8:32:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll add to this one since you brought it up. The word grulla is not just a horse color. It is actually the Spanish word for a crane - you know, the tall, long necked grey bird. Or in this case, a horse the color of a crane. ** Interesting! That goes along with gato, cat-colored, the name of one of famous Long Rider Tschiffelly's criollos. For Mexicans, a cat was a mountain lion, so gato was buckskin or dun colored. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
LOGO - REPLY from committee chairman
This message is from: Catherine lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everyone The promotions committee was given the tasks to look into the possibility of a new logo due to the fact that we have joined up with the Association, we are coming on our 25th anniversary and that the original logo is a very unclear hard piece of art work that needs to be reworked. The logo (new or old) will need to have work on it. The committee is in its final stages in bringing to the BOD a piece of art work that is a nice piece. This piece of art will be considered for the logo. The current Logo shows the team of Fjords as harness horses. It was the thought of the BOD that we should have a logo that does not select one particular sport. The Fjord is versatile and that the logo should reflect just that... the uniqueness of the horse. You as members of NFHR do vote on the Bylaws and on your BOD members. You as members are asked to jump in and run of the BOD and to help create the future of NFHR. Your voice is thru your BOD members. Talk to them, run for the BOD, volunteer for a committee. I challenge all of you that have a view on the LOGO to run for a position on the BOD and help run the organization. If each and every vote of the BOD had to go to the membership, we would not get one thing done. Change can hurt, but change sometimes is better in the long run. Your BOD is trying HARD to become PROFESSIONAL and trying hard to produce PROFESSIONAL PLANS for the FUTURE of YOUR ORGANIZATION. PLEASE RUN FOR THE BOD. THERE ARE THREE SEATS that will be OPEN. We need YOU TO SUBMIT your resume and the reasons why you want to run for the BOD to Roger Cabic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] you may also cc any of the current BOD members as a back up. The deadline is coming up soon So get OFF your chat lists and get to your computers and get your resume for the BOD ready and submitted. DO SOMETHING GET INVOLVED... SUBMITT YOUR NAME TO RUN FOR THE BOD... Thank you, These are my personal views not those of the BOD. Catherine Lassesen BOD Member and Chairman of Promotions
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: Linda Lottie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark..has the BOD looked into bumper stickers? I would love a snazzy bumper sticker for my truck...All Things Fjord has looked into bumperstickers but the cost is pretty steep for a business as small as ours. I would be happy to pay for a couple bumperstickers..especially if they are fun and fjordy:) Linda Lottie From: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: NFHR Logo Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:05:59 -0500 This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everyone, I was one of the people who brought up the idea of changing the NFHR logo. I believed that our present logo was graphically too busy and didn't reflect the true versatility of our breed. We didn't come up with this idea because of the merger and we certainly haven't been operating in secrecy. While I agree that the NFHR is a democracy, it operates just like our government, you elect officials to make the day to day decisions. Not have a poll for every one of them. I would hope that you would trust us to do the right thing both with the logo and with all the other issues that come up daily. My idea concerning the logo was to only change the Fjords to one Fjord and leave the rest as is. It's been mentioned to have our 25 years included as well (1981 -2006). This would still be immediately recognizable as the NFHR logo but at the same time not indicate that the Fjord is only a draft horse. Nothing has been decided yet and I'm sure the BOD members that are on this list have read your concerns. Yours, Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm Ruth Bushnell wrote: This message is from: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]Hey, doesn't anyone read their Fjord Herald, the new logo has now been mentioned in both the Spring and Summer issue. SueI JUST LOOKED at the spring issue, because I am one who missed it, and I think because the item was linked with the mention of websites I never made the connection that it was T H E logo! (the sacred logo!) Definitely think this should be well mulled over before anything is done about it... does the Queen update her logo!? do countries change their flags!? come on I'm sure when the minor registry merged with the NFHR they would have expected to assume their identity! changing a well established logo to somehow accommodate a recent minor acquisition, if indeed this is the case, is unheard of! I think Karen's idea about polling is a good one... or we could start a membership petition for the preservation of T H E present logo... Libby might be a place to begin. I am more than a little concerned about special NFHR committees which apparently are instructed to operate secretively under the leadership of their BOD designated persons... (secrecy in a corporation is taboo, both legally and morally) ...in addition there is yet another entity promised in the same Herald, TEAM FJORD, which will help with the work and financial resources. I can't believe that BOD selective diversification of leadership of our membership is going to avail us any good thing other than schism! Let's keep our cards on the table for everyone to see! folks, wake up!! keep your eyes on the business of YOUR membership. Please note: a corporation is first and foremost a democracy and change is supposed to come from the bottom up, not the top down, but it's up to YOU as individuals to keep it that way. Ruthie, nw mt (count me against logo change Karen Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was trying to make the point that if we become so focused on the refined type of Fjord, we will forget the actual heritage of the Fjord and unless I am mistaken, that is the whole point of creating this registry; to preserve the Norwegian Fjord. Lynda THAT'S WHAT what I always thought... I looked for the mission statement of the incorporated bylaws just now and couldn't find it, saw the bylaws but not the mission...? Mike, could you please tell me where, or what, they are? (also... has anyone else found the List archives or are they no longer available?) Ruthie (yes, I referred to committees, not the BOD Mark
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bit of paranoia going on here re the logo. Why not have several different logos that depict the various uses of the Fjord and each person can choose their own. The NFHR could choose their own with our input also. Author The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 46-49 Send $20 to: PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, As I clarified yesterday or the day before, I was joking when I suggested that the logo be changed. I was trying to make the point that if we become so focused on the refined type of Fjord, we will forget the actual heritage of the Fjord and unless I am mistaken, that is the whole point of creating this registry; to preserve the Norwegian Fjord. Lynda In a message dated 8/19/2004 1:27:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gee Lynda, only a couple days ago you were saying you thought we ought to CHANGE the logo, you didn't like the one showing collars:
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2004 #192
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/19/04 12:12:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: don't believe we are being subject to the whims of fashion. If you get a chance to see how we all dress on the BOD you'll be comforted in that fact! particularly true if you saw the costume class at blue earth :):):) laurie (dorothy) and oz central minnesota
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 19 Aug 2004 Linda wrote: I do not believe the logo represents the Fjord as only a draft horse. It displays the heritage of the Norwegian Fjord. All the other various educational material, including the website, can nicely show the versatility of the Fjord. As for adding the 25th anniversary slogan to the logowhat would you do next year? Logos should remain the same, not change yearly. Lynda Gee Lynda, only a couple days ago you were saying you thought we ought to CHANGE the logo, you didn't like the one showing collars: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 I also have a question concerning the NFHR logoare we ever going to change this to depict a Fjord that is being ridden or driven in breast harness to keep up with the more current trend? It seems sort of outdated as Fjords are being bred and used more for riding and light driving, versus draft or heavy work. The logo depicts two Fjords in collars and it is not often we see collars being used for light work, unless for specific show purposes. So now you want to keep it? Confused, Jean in Fairbanks, ALaska Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modellen
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I still have the video that Judy and Erik Utheim made showing Fjords from all over Europe, as well as a lot of footage of Modellin when they first got him. It also shows him on that competitive trail ride with April. I was impressed. Of course I had just purchased the white dun mare Stella from the Unraus. It seems at that time white duns were not so popular and there were not many around. Somehow the white duns seem to be of the lighter bodied, longer legged type. Jean in very smoky Fairbanks, Alaska, dense smoke over much of Alaska, from big fires all around the Interior. A record year for fires, heat and lack of rain! 85 to 90 today! (normal is 65) I have some history with Modellen. It went back to when Judy and Erik Utheim owned him. Erik imported him and worked extensively with them when he lived in Maine. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, In case I have not actually told Karen my thoughts...NO to changing the logo! :) Lynda
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mark, I was one of the people who brought up the idea of changing the NFHR logo. I believed that our present logo was graphically too busy and didn't reflect the true versatility of our breed. I think the brochure and other educational material can cover the various disciplines the Fjord is capable of. There is no way a logo can reflect the versatility of the Fjord, THAT would be busy! We didn't come up with this idea because of the merger and we certainly haven't been operating in secrecy. I believe the issue of secrecy has to do with the committees. Can you clarify this? While I agree that the NFHR is a democracy, it operates just like our government, you elect officials to make the day to day decisions. Not have a poll for every one of them. I would hope that you would trust us to do the right thing both with the logo and with all the other issues that come up daily. Not necessarily. Indeed, both the NFHR and government have elected officials. However, in the case of the government, these elected officials are supposed to listen to and work within the wishes of those people who are in their region. I am not seeing this happening with the NFHR. As for the logo, this is NOT a day to day decision. This is a fundamental landmark of our registry so therefore, this should be presented to the membership as a whole. My idea concerning the logo was to only change the Fjords to one Fjord and leave the rest as is. It's been mentioned to have our 25 years included as well (1981 -2006). This would still be immediately recognizable as the NFHR logo but at the same time not indicate that the Fjord is only a draft horse. Nothing has been decided yet and I'm sure the BOD members that are on this list have read your concerns. I do not believe the logo represents the Fjord as only a draft horse. It displays the heritage of the Norwegian Fjord. All the other various educational material, including the website, can nicely show the versatility of the Fjord. As for adding the 25th anniversary slogan to the logowhat would you do next year? Logos should remain the same, not change yearly. Lynda
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HI Sue, Well, I did briefly read both, although reread them again last night. I completely misunderstood the website/logo thing! I did not realize it was THE logo! Lynda In a message dated 8/19/2004 7:16:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey, doesn't anyone read their Fjord Herald, the new logo has now been mentioned in both the Spring and Summer issue.
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mike, Thank you! Lynda I will forward your concerns over the change to the BOD though.
Modellen
This message is from: David McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] All of these posts titled Modellen, and no mention of the guy himself! So I will do it. I have some history with Modellen. It went back to when Judy and Erik Utheim owned him. Erik imported him and worked extensively with them when he lived in Maine. He did a lot of driving and fitness work, and Modellen was ridden in competitive distance rides by a woman named April. I first saw him at a show jumping event in Conway NH, where several Fjords did a demo. Erik said, Here, do you want to drive him? Erik didn't know my driving abilities at all, but apparently trusted this big white stallion to take me out in a public place. It went fine. Time passed and the Utheims divorced. Judy got Modellen, but didn't have a place for him at some point. We knew her better by then, and she asked if we would like to keep him for a while. I had just started doing competiti distance drives. Realizing that he still had some fitness, drove well, and was the light bodied, long legged type that I thought would do well, I said yes, and he came to us. I spent a few months doing slow fitness work and then started doing events. Looking back, I can't believe I put so much time and energy into it. I drove 5-7 miles for two years, regardless of weather or winter, mostly four days a week. If the temps were below 10 degrees, I would pass, but otherwise we drove. We also did hundreds of miles of events. I found that like Fjords in general, on warm days I had a disadvantage of large body type, where cooling was the ONLY issue. On cold, or rainy days I was uncomfortable, but he did well or won. He was the first Fjord to do the Vermont 100 mile (may still be true), and the first stallion of any breed. He completed twice. (This event is a 40-40-20 mile over three days) Another competition I enjoy remembering is the time I entered him in a 25 mile competitive ride, and a friend rode him. She was a former veteran of competing and training others for hunt competition. She didn't walk well, from injuries and her short stature and way overweight body, but when she rode it was beautiful. She had never done a distance competition, and relied on my coaching before the event - where to be when, what pace, all the little details. When it was over, competing with many veterans of the sport, she came in 2nd out of 47! She was a great rider and he was a great horse. One thing that was fun at the events at GMHA in Vermont was that Modellen had a fan club. There were people whose names I couldn't remember who would want to come over and spend time with him, or help, or groom. Other competitors were fond of him. I never had a horse who so inspired other people. He was handsome and he was kind. I competed him for two years, and then left on my cross country venture. He stayed with us another year, and then went to Deb Coggiola in New York, who I'm happy to say, continued to breed him. Modellen remains one of my favorite Fjords, and favorite horses. Dave
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/19/2004 8:04:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't believe we are being subject to the whims of fashion. If you get a chance to see how we all dress on the BOD you'll be comforted in that fact! Aw Mark, are you saying the jeans and T-shirt look is not high fashion? LOL Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fjords in IBHA / Fjords in Colorado
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't forget about me just because I'm in the mountains! Jamie the Fjords Torden, Heidi, and soon, their baby brother Brecken (yay!) In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO
Katie Kandi
This message is from: Brad Kelly Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was wrong... a few days ago I posted a question in which I referred to our Fjord Katie as being nearly 16 hands. We just remeasured her, and she's scarcely over 15. She's still a pretty big girl, though, for a Fjord. We chose this year to breed her to a beautifully balanced stallion of more modest proportions, but had been encouraged to breed her to a large, refined stallion, since she already had so much of that 'refined' character. My hope is that we'll end up with a beautiful foal, but of a size that fits more closely within the guidelines of the breed. I've got pictures of them on our website, at www.celebrationfarm.net/fjord.html. Brad Baird, Wisconsin
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Brigid, Thanks for your input. I think what I'm looking for in a logo is something that is more recognizable at a glance that shows a classic Fjord. I agree our logo is nice when the image is large enough to see it's detail but with it's many uses the size is often so small the picture gets lost and there is no brand recognition (Do you have one of the NFHR pins?). A logo is something that catches the eye and conveys a message almost subliminally, not artwork. I too don't want an Arab headed, pretty, cartoon Fjord as the image and I don't believe we are being subject to the whims of fashion. If you get a chance to see how we all dress on the BOD you'll be comforted in that fact! Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/19/2004 6:11:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believed that our present logo was graphically too busy and didn't reflect the true versatility of our breed. ** I personally love the logo, and think it should stay. If you've been to an expo lately, you'll see that every breed is now touted as versatile and shown doing everything from jumping to reining. If we want our breed to stand out, we need to show what it is best known for, and that is work ethic. At its heart the Fjord is a brukshest, a useful horse, not a pretty creature subject to the whims of fashion. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
Re: Eating Pine Needles
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/18/2004 10:07:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my Fjords like to eat pine needles off of trees like giraffes... It's certainly not and unusual occurrence. Ours like to brows on the tips of both the pines and the spruces here, especially when they are still very young soft in the spring. Don't know why, and as you stated it's not because they don't have anything else to eat... Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We didn't come up with this idea because of the merger and we certainly haven't been operating in secrecy. In the Spring Herald under Presidents Message it says on Page 5, 'Develope a new logo now that the unification of the 2 major Fjord organizations is complete'. I would interprete that as changing the logo because of the merger. Yes it reads that way but we had talked about changing the logo before the merger was completed. As far as I know no logo ideas talked about included the merger in their theme. My idea concerning the logo was to only change the Fjords to one Fjord and leave the rest as is. It's been mentioned to have our 25 years included as well (1981 -2006). This would still be immediately recognizable as the NFHR logo but at the same time not indicate that the Fjord is only a draft horse. I think this is a great idea. Sue Thanks Sue Mark
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/19/04 7:11:36 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was one of the people who brought up the idea of changing the NFHR logo. I believed that our present logo was graphically too busy and didn't reflect the true versatility of our breed. I agree with changing the logo, many, none fjord, people think our fjords are only driving/draft horses and the current logo reflect that fallacy. We didn't come up with this idea because of the merger and we certainly haven't been operating in secrecy. In the Spring Herald under Presidents Message it says on Page 5, 'Develope a new logo now that the unification of the 2 major Fjord organizations is complete'. I would interprete that as changing the logo because of the merger. My idea concerning the logo was to only change the Fjords to one Fjord and leave the rest as is. It's been mentioned to have our 25 years included as well (1981 -2006). This would still be immediately recognizable as the NFHR logo but at the same time not indicate that the Fjord is only a draft horse. I think this is a great idea. Sue
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/19/2004 6:11:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believed that our present logo was graphically too busy and didn't reflect the true versatility of our breed. ** I personally love the logo, and think it should stay. If you've been to an expo lately, you'll see that every breed is now touted as versatile and shown doing everything from jumping to reining. If we want our breed to stand out, we need to show what it is best known for, and that is work ethic. At its heart the Fjord is a brukshest, a useful horse, not a pretty creature subject to the whims of fashion. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/19/04 8:17:16 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8/19/04 7:11:36 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was one of the people who brought up the idea of changing the NFHR logo. I believed that our present logo was graphically too busy and didn't reflect the true versatility of our breed. I agree with changing the logo, many, none fjord, people think our fjords are only driving/draft horses and the current logo reflect that fallacy. We didn't come up with this idea because of the merger and we certainly haven't been operating in secrecy. In the Spring Herald under Presidents Message it says on Page 5, 'Develope a new logo now that the unification of the 2 major Fjord organizations is complete'. I would interprete that as changing the logo because of the merger. My idea concerning the logo was to only change the Fjords to one Fjord and leave the rest as is. It's been mentioned to have our 25 years included as well (1981 -2006). This would still be immediately recognizable as the NFHR logo but at the same time not indicate that the Fjord is only a draft horse. I think this is a great idea. Sue How come when I separate my answer from the message it all runs together when it goes through to the list. What am I doing or not doing?? Sue
re: Fjords in IBHA / Fjords in Colorado
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, Karen - ...We fjord owners in the greater Denver area are all pretty much in touch with each other. I try to at least know where all the fjords are located in my area (Elbert/Douglas counties)... I'd like to hear more about Fjords in the metro area!! :-)Have been looking, but only know of a very few. Then again, I just don't know where to look, aside from NWSS RMHE, and of course on CoHorseLovers (CO's largest eList for horse owners). I'm in Aurora - one Fjord gelding Loki, just turned 17 yrs old and brought him home this past June. In training, but hope to be ready for trail riding by end of this summer. That's what I do, with enthusiasm! - trail riding - about 2-3 times a month. I host rides for CoWeekdayRiders and am just this year become a member in a couple of local (east metro) riding clubs (PTR, PETR, CCHA). Until Loki's ready, am riding my 24 yr old Standardbred, Duchesse. Loki's NFHR certif. came in from the seller a week ago (I just finished Loki's payments) - so this coming week, I'll be able to mail it in with membership name transfer fee's to NFHR. Spoke with Mike on the phone this week. The Fjord folks I know of around here are Cheryl in Elizabeth with her handsome herd of Fjords (we've emailed and visited in person - she helped me saddle size Loki at her place - thanks again, Cheryl! ;-) Have emailed with you too, I believe (forgive me - if I'm mis remembering, am very tired today) and I think we talked briefly at the last NWSS (if you're Boomba's person, you were understandably busy getting ready to perform, then.):-) Wasn't that you that has Boomba? Other than that, I have heard of and seen at the NWSS performing, the StarFire Farms folks' Fjords - but can't remember anyone else in Colorado with Fjords. Know they *must* be out there, but just have not heard of them, personally. :-) ...Sandy and Beth at Starfire have for the past few years hosted a Fjord Fun Day at their farm, but there's been no requirement to have bought a fjord from them...I'm hoping they have another Fun Day this year because I've been working with Fair Dinkum on tricks, and he's ready to go public! It's a real thrill to see all the fjordies together, too... I spoke with Beth on the phone earlier this summer - asking if she knew of a Fjord group that trail rides. She explained to me (am trying to remember the conversation right) that there is not really a Fjord group in Colorado - that the Fjords I see performing at NWSS etc are StarFire Farm's and Fjords that came from there (I think Boomba is the only one not a StarFire Fjord - but I could be completely wrong on that - I'm not savvy with the StarFire info.) Beth mentioned that they'd thought of putting together such a thing - a local Fjord riding group - but they were very busy and it has not gone beyond that point. She suggested I could give it a go -- and I'd be willing to try to organized a Fjord trail riding get-together group! My big problem is that I know of so few Fjord owners in Colorado. Not that they are not here - just that I have no idea whom they are (beyond Cheryl, yourself, and the StarFire folks - of them, know only of Beth and Sandy and only then by name, not personally.)A Fjord trail riding group is not much fun with just one Fjord. ;-) If there are other Fjord owners interested in a causual trail riding group --- I'd still be willing to carry the ball. Or - if my info on that from Beth is old news / has changed since we talked last, and there is now such a trail riding group, then I am *very* interested in hearing more about such a group, as I would like to participate! As for showing and competing - I enjoy watching that, but am not into performing like that. Just trail riding - my idea of a perfect ride. ;-) Can you tell me about Beth's/StarFire's Fjord Fun Days ? That sounds like a great way for Loki I to get to meet other Fjords/owners from around here! If non StarFire Fjords are allowed to come and have fun - I would *really* like to participate! Is it just showing / formal competition? Or more light enjoyment / for-fun games, for the non competition / non show folks (like simple trail riders such as myself?) You mentioned Fair Dinkum learning tricks - that's neat! Loki's trainer (Emmy in Bennett, CO) is also teaching him tricks. Something I'd like Loki to learn - as someday, he'll join me in my day job, as the rest of my herd does. His first job is to be my trail partner (# 1 !) and later on, he'll be traveling the central Colorado area as the rest of my little herd does -- in our pony ride business. The name is misleading, as even 15.2 h Duchesse (the Standardbred) does pony rides, quite often, too. Tonight, we are servicing a church social in
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everyone, I was one of the people who brought up the idea of changing the NFHR logo. I believed that our present logo was graphically too busy and didn't reflect the true versatility of our breed. We didn't come up with this idea because of the merger and we certainly haven't been operating in secrecy. While I agree that the NFHR is a democracy, it operates just like our government, you elect officials to make the day to day decisions. Not have a poll for every one of them. I would hope that you would trust us to do the right thing both with the logo and with all the other issues that come up daily. My idea concerning the logo was to only change the Fjords to one Fjord and leave the rest as is. It's been mentioned to have our 25 years included as well (1981 -2006). This would still be immediately recognizable as the NFHR logo but at the same time not indicate that the Fjord is only a draft horse. Nothing has been decided yet and I'm sure the BOD members that are on this list have read your concerns. Yours, Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm Ruth Bushnell wrote: This message is from: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, doesn't anyone read their Fjord Herald, the new logo has now been mentioned in both the Spring and Summer issue. Sue I JUST LOOKED at the spring issue, because I am one who missed it, and I think because the item was linked with the mention of websites I never made the connection that it was T H E logo! (the sacred logo!) Definitely think this should be well mulled over before anything is done about it... does the Queen update her logo!? do countries change their flags!? come on I'm sure when the minor registry merged with the NFHR they would have expected to assume their identity! changing a well established logo to somehow accommodate a recent minor acquisition, if indeed this is the case, is unheard of! I think Karen's idea about polling is a good one... or we could start a membership petition for the preservation of T H E present logo... Libby might be a place to begin. I am more than a little concerned about special NFHR committees which apparently are instructed to operate secretively under the leadership of their BOD designated persons... (secrecy in a corporation is taboo, both legally and morally) ...in addition there is yet another entity promised in the same Herald, TEAM FJORD, which will help with the work and financial resources. I can't believe that BOD selective diversification of leadership of our membership is going to avail us any good thing other than schism! Let's keep our cards on the table for everyone to see! folks, wake up!! keep your eyes on the business of YOUR membership. Please note: a corporation is first and foremost a democracy and change is supposed to come from the bottom up, not the top down, but it's up to YOU as individuals to keep it that way. Ruthie, nw mt (count me against logo change Karen
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, doesn't anyone read their Fjord Herald, the new logo has now been mentioned in both the Spring and Summer issue. Sue I JUST LOOKED at the spring issue, because I am one who missed it, and I think because the item was linked with the mention of websites I never made the connection that it was T H E logo! (the sacred logo!) Definitely think this should be well mulled over before anything is done about it... does the Queen update her logo!? do countries change their flags!? come on I'm sure when the minor registry merged with the NFHR they would have expected to assume their identity! changing a well established logo to somehow accommodate a recent minor acquisition, if indeed this is the case, is unheard of! I think Karen's idea about polling is a good one... or we could start a membership petition for the preservation of T H E present logo... Libby might be a place to begin. I am more than a little concerned about special NFHR committees which apparently are instructed to operate secretively under the leadership of their BOD designated persons... (secrecy in a corporation is taboo, both legally and morally) ...in addition there is yet another entity promised in the same Herald, TEAM FJORD, which will help with the work and financial resources. I can't believe that BOD selective diversification of leadership of our membership is going to avail us any good thing other than schism! Let's keep our cards on the table for everyone to see! folks, wake up!! keep your eyes on the business of YOUR membership. Please note: a corporation is first and foremost a democracy and change is supposed to come from the bottom up, not the top down, but it's up to YOU as individuals to keep it that way. Ruthie, nw mt (count me against logo change Karen
form and function
This message is from: Norsk Wood Works [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from Phillip Odden I welcome the discussion regarding body form in our fjords with regards to use. Since our horses are very dear to us, it is understandable people can be very passionate defending their style of fjord. The fact is that different fjord body styles exist. I avoid the term 'type' because 'fjord type' is what makes horses within each of these groups a fjord. We must always be searching for horses with good and true fjord type. In our evaluation system the score for fjord type is doubled because we think fjord type is so important to promote. The photo of Rosendalsborken represents fjord type, never mind the body style. Factors considered in judging fjord type would be; head, expression (eye), shape of neck, depth/width, Masculine / Feminine, substance of bone, harmony / balance, proportions, and extensive primitive markings. This from Fjord Horse International, The official Handbook for Fjord Horse Judges. Since we have three body styles in fjords any individual within these broad catagories can be a good example of fjord type or a poor example. My point is that with a choice of recognised body styles you might just as well have a fjord that best suits your desired use. Over and over people are asking where and how they can find a saddle to fit their fjord horse. A fjord should have defined withers. This is suggested in our breed standards. Mutton withers is a fault. If you come to my farm you will see that most of my fjords have defined withers because I look for and breed fjords with defined withers. I am certainly looking for good Fjord Type as well but disposition and character is upper-most in my desired fjord qualities. I agree with Pat Holland. If you like drafty fjords then that is what you ought to have. If you think a lighter fjord will function better for what you desire in a horse, then fjords also come in lighter models. Think about your function first, then choose the form of fjord you think will fit the function. If we always look for good FJORD TYPE in these different body forms, as well as good conformation, we will be improving our breed and meeting the needs of the buyers. If you need help in recognising these qualities in your fjord then take them them to an evaluation or buy fjords that have been evaluated and have been scored in these different areas. The NFHR is committed to preserving the different body styles. Birgit Mortensen from Denmark indicated in #184 that the Danes have been breeding lighter to medium fjords with good movement for over 30 years. They started their evaluation program in 1931 for stallions and performance tests for stallions in 1971. Americans are not influencing the fjord body style in Europe. European fjord breeders know what they want and have been moving in that direction for a good long while.
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, doesn't anyone read their Fjord Herald, the new logo has now been mentioned in both the Spring and Summer issue. It seems strange that this should come up now when it has been in print for months. Remember the NFHR unified with the NFA they probably had a logo they really liked it seems only fair, to me, that a new logo should be produced. Just my Humble Opinion (well maybe not so humble) :-) Sue
Fwd: NFHR Logo
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] From the Fjord List This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, Why was a change to the logo not voted on by the membership at large? This is a symbol of the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry so therefore, is associated with all of its members. This a highly important decision that should be discussed and voted on by all members, not just the BOD. Lynda No the BOD has voted to look into changing the Logo. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NFHR Logo
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Like I said in my last reply - The BOD voted to LOOK into changing the Logo. I didn't say they changed it. It is still being looked into. No decisions have been made yet. I will forward your concerns over the change to the BOD though. Thanks, Mike At 09:02 PM 8/18/2004, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, Why was a change to the logo not voted on by the membership at large? This is a symbol of the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry so therefore, is associated with all of its members. This a highly important decision that should be discussed and voted on by all members, not just the BOD. Lynda No the BOD has voted to look into changing the Logo. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
