RE: storing hay
This message is from: Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ditto: We have a stack this year over 1000 bales. About 12 foot tall, 14 foot wide, and 60 foot long. I stacked the top 3 rows in a inverted V with a single width bale going down the center at the top, to form a peaked roof. Leaving it flat on top is a mistake I have made a few times, the water always settles, the wind whips the tarp and makes small holes, and the water runs down thru the hay and makes it moldy all over the place, if stored for any lengthily period. Even in Montana where the climate is fairly dry. Wisconsin was real bad if you didn't keep it dry, mold, mold, mold. A lot of waste/deer/cow feed. This year I bought 6 mill plastic, comes in 100 foot rolls at home depot for around $50. Cheaper than tarps but you have to put rope like the red bailing twine, across it in several spots (about every 4 foot and around the ends in a couple spots) to keep the wind from getting under it. I wrapped it around the ends too so I just have one continuous sheet starting on the ground on one end, over the top to the ground on the other end. The sides are exposed about 7 foot up. On pallets. The pallets are a convenient spot to tie your rope. Do it on a calm day. Looks like a huge loaf of bread with a peak going down the center. It will stay that way until we start feeding from it sometime in October/November. I found the tarps only last about 1 season then they get little tiny holes all over them and no rain stays out. Basically all they are good for is shade after that. I have also used the more expensive silver tarps, but haven't tried the very expensive hay tarps. I figured the 6 mill plastic is cheaper than the tarps and will last as long, about 1 season, maybe more if I'm lucky. The red bailing twine is better because it seems to keep tight, the natural twine tends to decay and loosen up. The best of course is a shed, which is on it's way, time permitting, after the barn, which I just poured footings for last week. Concrete block next for foundation, then up it goes. My winter project. Mark in Montana. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:06 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: storing hay This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol, We tarp a lot of hay each year as we have cattle as well as horses. One thing we have found helpful is to peak the top of the stack. We run one bail (or two if stack is wide) down the middle of the stack before we tarp it. That way the rain will run off and not settle into valleys on top of the stack. We also like to have it on pallets. Barb Lynch
Re: La crosse evaluation
This message is from: Pat Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since no one has stepped up to report anything on the Lacrosse Evaluation I would like to do so. First I would like to congratulate Linda Syverson-Kerr and John Gurtner. If they completed their driving tests like they did their conformation, riding and draft they would have received their S1 - G1. I am certain they did as Spruce Hill Markus was right on the money I believe this would make him the first S1 -G1 completed in ONE Evaluation. Markus was bred by Andrew Hinrich's and is by Sven II. Bottom side goes back to Anvil's Jon. Unrau's breeding. Linda and Markus has shared a great partnership and it was nice to see them with John Gurtner and - and what a combined team. !! Fair Acres Ole achieved his Gold 2 - going this year for his advanced riding and draft. True to form Ole did his job and gave his big big heart to the work put in front of him, Ole is surely one of the greats. He has the stallion presence - but the manners of a kind gentleman. Patti Jo has herself a winner in anyone's book. You cannot beat his disposition and willingness to do as asked. I will once again say if you want disposition - call Patti Jo for a booking to Oleyou'll have it hands down. For those of you familiar with the Solar son I presented for Susan Crawford he got approved with a 9 on his head, 8.5 on neck and body and an 8.5 on type and an 8.5 on overall. Many of you do not know his history and I feel it is important to tell it. As it is unique. When this very wonderfully bred horse was a yearling he contracted EHV or more commonly known as Rhino. It can come in many forms - usually you all would see it in respiratory or in a pregnant mare abortive. In rare cases it will go neurological. For Eiken Var it went the worse. He was actually paralyzed in all four, according to the documentation from the U of Illinois - he should have died. Our Fjords are tuff ones and all he retained from it was an uneasy movement behind of which he only received a 4 in his walk and a 5 in his trot. Because of his outstanding conformation he still took score enough to receive a good red - and I was proud to be on the end of the lead rope to get it for him. Last year I presented his daughter, SFF Ebba and she received a blue with a 8.75 in the walk and a 8.25 at the trot. - she also earned her S-white and G white at this years evaluation for owners Deb and Gary Gunther and rider Bambi Bays. Somehow along the line I've been fortunate to have stood in front of 15 blue level conformation horses, I was just as proud, maybe more so to take the red with Eiken Var. He is 11 years old and not been off his home farm but twice, once to go to the U of Illinois and once to the MWFHC winter meeting clinic held many years ago in Galena. I Only had him since May 14th - he had no formal training and he also was a gentleman to handle and work with. Lastly, Peggy Spear brought her beautiful Blue Bird Lane Sparrow and took a very honest and solid blue. Sparrow is by Gjest and showed his great presence and heritage. Once again showing the Gjest line is here to stay and the foundation he brought to the Fjord breed is without question correct, with high quality and important. Pat Holland
bittersweet
This message is from: Dave and Patti Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] With mixed emotions I just wanted everyone to know that I have sold O.H. Silas. He will be staying at my farm until the first of Oct. He will then be going to his new owner in NJ, Laura Huntsman is the VERY lucky and fortunate new owner. Sir Si, is a super cool horse. I just have not had the time to work much with him and since he is finished and a great and talented horse I thought perhaps it's time to sell him. I can always bring up another one, or buy a mare for Ole!!(will be looking in a couple of months!!) I have owned Silas for the past 6 yrs. I have done all the training on him, good, bad or indifferent. We were a good team, he taught me LOTS and hopefully I have helped him as well. I'm glad I still have him for a couple more months as it's gonna be VERY hard the day he leaves. Another horse leaving Francis Creek Fjord Farm is North Creek Bjoge(Bogie). Owned by Paula Steinmetz or NOW owned by Reena Giola of Vail AZ I should say. Bogie will be leaving Wi and heading west the end of Aug. Another bittersweet decision by Paula. Paula has owned Bogie for 9 yrs, but Reena is the perfect match for him and she will LOVE Bogie as much as Paula has over the years. Selling horses is VERY hard, it's emotional, nerve racking, but can also be very rewarding. Especially when you have a GREAT horse. Knowing that you will be making someone very happy with their new horse. Knowing that they will get tons of joy ,excitement and love helps the pain of letting go. Having a quiet day today, since we had Blue Earth and then the evaluation it's nice to have a day to unwind. I brought Ole to the evaluation in LaCrosse. We did OK. Ole was REALLY off on Sunday. I think the cement floors of the stall did him in. On Friday and Sat. he was up and moving and feeling great. Sunday, Eby my rider got on him and went, oh no, he doesn't feel the same! ughghgh He was a tad short strided in front and not much implusion from the back. He was sore. She did the test, he gave it his all. I thought they looked very good, except not much flash, but he was SOFT, SUPPLE, SMOOTH, WILLING AND STEADY. Eby messed up on the trail portion of the test. She messed up two obstacles pretty good and totally forgot to halt and back!! ughghgh Easiest thing there. She rec'd a 78. Oh, well we are all human and don't I know it, as I took Ole in the adv. draft and misjudged backing him up to the stone boat. Guess my eyes are failing me!! I got the right hitched and went to the left and was about 2 inches too short, ughghghghhg I thought. I tried to pull the stone boat, but it had 200 pounds and was not giving. I was then stupid and pullled on the trace, Ole walked forward, OPPS. Don't pull on the trace, that puts pressure on the collar and horses want to push into it!! Ok, see I'm learning. I got him hitched and finished the course, not t terrible either. We rec'd a 79. So, if Ole had a better owner, one they would have pulled the mats from the trailer so he would not get sore. Two, they would have brought him in Sat. instead of Sunday, so again he would not have had to stand on Cement and Three they would NOT MESS UP in the RING for the TEST!! Ole is sooo humble. He was happy with the scores and now he has his Gold Mediallon of Quality. He is G2. We might come back next year and do intro. driving and adv. driving to earn his Blue Gold or G1. We'll see. I like riding him so much, I'm not sure if I could drive him all summer to get him ready. I would miss riding the big boy. :-) Patti Jo Walter www.franciscreekfjords.com
forgot area code
This message is from: jo Anbro [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am so sorry for those of you interested in Eivind Lunde's tack, I forgot the area code. The area code and phone number of the Lunde's is 607-775-3266. This was for matching work harnessess, bridles, and some other equipment. Thanks! Jo Anbro
Re: storing hay
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol, We tarp a lot of hay each year as we have cattle as well as horses. One thing we have found helpful is to peak the top of the stack. We run one bail (or two if stack is wide) down the middle of the stack before we tarp it. That way the rain will run off and not settle into valleys on top of the stack. We also like to have it on pallets. Barb Lynch
Re: Research on behalf of Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some really constructive ideas here. What about the possibilities of getting some of the breeders to participate in roundtables or presentations which could then be distributed via all the wonderful electronic media which we have. Not everyone is going to have the time or the resources to go halfway across the continent to talk to a breeder who seems to have it right, or to talk to multiple breeders which would be even better. Lets take advantage of this wonderful age of electronics to share information, but share it in a way that personal feelings do not get trampled on. No-one has all the answers, but some of the breeders seem to have developed systems and perspectives that result in a consistency of quality product which is enviable. Lets take advantage of that expertise and respect the differences. How about a breeders symposium? I am in the category of someone very interested in breeding and the amount of information to dig through is enormous and not always readily available, or more specifically, organized into a form that makes the distillation of process and principle from a pile of facts and figures easy. For weeks my kitchen table has been covered with little lines and squiggles and horse names trying to piece together the relationships of our horses. A couple of hours with a knowlegable, proven breeder, in the presence of the horses she was talking about was worth more than months of trying to piece things together on my own, and I am used to research, and have training and experience in genetics. I am a shameless opportunist and would like to take the best from the best and incorporate it in my program. To avoid partisan comments from others on the list I will not tell who it was but she knows and I cannot thank her enough for the time she took with me on a recent vistit to her facility. If everyone interested in breeding had access to this kind of discussion in the presence of actual examples, I think that we might find that we have fewer differences than we think. Comments?
Re: Breeding Quality
This message is from: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes but they are not all NFHR Registered. In fact most of them are not. They are in the database for pedigree purposes. A lot of them are Norwegian or Dutch horses that are in the pedigrees of the registered ones. Mike Very interesting stats, thanks Mike. Are the many, many, livestock center Fjord pedigrees from Canada included in the NFHR databank as well? (I realize that many Fjords are dual registered of course.) Canada has their own (govt)database but I'm not certain if it is amalgamated with ours entirely or not. Statistics are an invaluable tool for any manner of breed enrichment and if we are ever in a position of having a genetical analyst they will of course be necessary. Ruthie, nw mt US
Re: Gene Pool
This message is from: Vanessa N Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, Lipizzans have the same problems. I used to own several and my first one, now retired, is full sister to one of the top stallions in the country. To make a long story short, her breedable babies are all outcrosses (Lip/Arabian), (Lip/TB). I've kept this last one, Salem. She's the only horse I have left from that era. I'm hoping to bring her up here sometime soon. She's in Florida in training at the moment. Vanessa ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 08/11/05 12:20:26 To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Gene Pool This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gayle wrote: Yes, I guess you did miss the point I was trying to make, but I think Amy answered for me. Thanks, Amy. Once again, this was a long time ago before most folks in the Fjord world were even thinking about the big picture - the fact that the Fjord population was relatively small as was our gene pool. As I said earlier, it had to start somewhere and that was my feeble attempt of ONE to protect the future of our Fjords in this country. I was a bit confused also, but somebody else asked the question and the answers were very good, clear and helped me understand. And I commend you on what you are doing, as the owner of a young Dusty gelding, for your forward thinking. Your point struck close to home as I was reading the Lippizan list this morning (I would love to own a Lip one day along with my fjords). There are some horses in dire straits in Merced Ca. It's a pretty ugly situation and confusing. BUT one of the ladies spoke up about the stallions (who haven't been outside of their stalls in three years, can you imagine?) when somebody recommended gelding them. They're from a relatively rare stallion line and she thinks they shouldn't be cut for many reasons, the main one being that the other stallion lines have pretty much saturated the Lipizzans in the U.S. and the gene pool is limited. The stallions who need rescue can make a contribution to their breed. Pamela Northern Holiday Horses Welcome Polaris [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type Image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg]
My feeble attempt
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/10/05 1:45:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not trying to make trouble but I am confused. Why is Dusty breedable and not full siblings? I personally do not breed anything that does not have quality siblings. Also why would all his colts need to be gelded? Where there not any of quality to maybe use as studs? And then if they were not of quality why was Dusty still used? I guess I feel your note is missing things I don't understand. Hi Lisa, Yes, I guess you did miss the point I was trying to make, but I think Amy answered for me. Thanks, Amy. Once again, this was a long time ago before most folks in the Fjord world were even thinking about the big picture - the fact that the Fjord population was relatively small as was our gene pool. As I said earlier, it had to start somewhere and that was my feeble attempt of ONE to protect the future of our Fjords in this country. Yes, several of the colts that I gelded were quite good, but a good stallion prospect makes a GREAT gelding. Also, the buyers were mostly newcomers and did not know the first thing about dealing with stallion hormones. I sure did not want to see any of Dusty's offspring ending up in the category of 'nasty bugger', due to operator error. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
grey / white
This message is from: Eike Schoen-Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regarding the information on registration of all offspring of all matings within the Fjord breed I would like to point out that the mother country does not register the blue-eyed-cream-dun (homozygous dilution factor) as a legitimate color of a Fjord Horse. The colors registrable are: brown, red, gray, white and yellow. This is not because of discrimination but because of experience from 150 years ago. Then these horses occured often because genetics was poorely understood and white duns were popular. Therefore there were quite a few matings white dun x white dun, producing statistic 50% kvit. These horses were often not happy in bright sunlight. From personally knowing some blue-eyed creams in other breeds (i.e.Welsh Ponies) I know this to be true. That is why this color was excluded from the breeding program and for us the rule of the land of origin stands. There is a range of individual variations of the kvit as there is in the other colors, so determining of genotype is not simple. --- I happen to own a white dun licenced stallion and I would refuse any white dun mare. But then breeders in Germany seem to be well enough informed about the situation and there are enough good other stallions to pick from. Eike Schön-Petersen Germany
Gene Pool
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gayle wrote: Yes, I guess you did miss the point I was trying to make, but I think Amy answered for me. Thanks, Amy. Once again, this was a long time ago before most folks in the Fjord world were even thinking about the big picture - the fact that the Fjord population was relatively small as was our gene pool. As I said earlier, it had to start somewhere and that was my feeble attempt of ONE to protect the future of our Fjords in this country. I was a bit confused also, but somebody else asked the question and the answers were very good, clear and helped me understand. And I commend you on what you are doing, as the owner of a young Dusty gelding, for your forward thinking. Your point struck close to home as I was reading the Lippizan list this morning (I would love to own a Lip one day along with my fjords). There are some horses in dire straits in Merced Ca. It's a pretty ugly situation and confusing. BUT one of the ladies spoke up about the stallions (who haven't been outside of their stalls in three years, can you imagine?) when somebody recommended gelding them. They're from a relatively rare stallion line and she thinks they shouldn't be cut for many reasons, the main one being that the other stallion lines have pretty much saturated the Lipizzans in the U.S. and the gene pool is limited. The stallions who need rescue can make a contribution to their breed. Pamela Northern Holiday Horses Welcome Polaris
Re: Breeding Quality
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:16 PM 8/10/2005, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/10/2005 12:56:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] we have 1363 registered (or noted) stallions in NFHR. I am not sure where you go that number from but we only have 442 Stallions registered in the NFHR. If you do a search on the NFHR pedigree site, using Stallions as the only search criteria, the number that comes up is 1363. Yes but they are not all NFHR Registered. In fact most of them are not. They are in the database for pedigree purposes. A lot of them are Norwegian or Dutch horses that are in the pedigrees of the registered ones. Here is a hint for you. Select only stallions then put a - (dash) in for the registration number. Since all of our numbers have a dash in them you will get only the registered ones that way. Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords 260 May Creek Rd Days Creek, OR 97429 541-825-3303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Breeding Quality
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:07 PM 8/10/2005, you wrote: This message is from: Warren Stockwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Mike that's a interesting tid bit of information. I breed dogs and I find it very interesting how many folks get the idea anyone can breed and do it well. This tells me that of the registered fjords those that own them are thinking. Is it possible there are Fjords that are not registered out there breeding?? I am sure there are some. Just a curiosity?? Not that it would serve any purpose to there owners, it wouldn't make sense IMO. Thanks again, Roberta - Original Message - From: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Breeding Quality This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:01 PM 8/10/2005, you wrote: This message is from: Catherine lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] The true impact of breeding in our breed is those that breed more than 1 - 2 mares a year. This is true it isn't all that many stallions that do that either. I do not feel that we will have genetic overlapping problems with the Norwegian Fjord Horses in the USA. When the most a stallion is breeding is 10 to 20 mares a year... and the fact that we have 1363 registered (or noted) stallions in NFHR. I am not sure where you go that number from but we only have 442 Stallions registered in the NFHR. Of them 42 are reported as being deceased. I am sure there are probably more that are deceased a fair number that are geldings also. (only 115 stallions reported to breed last year alone) Out of those 115 only 31 have an AI License. I do not know how many mares the luckiest stallion was able to breed last year but I would guess maybe 20. (Mike May do you have the figures on this?) The most mares bred by any one stallion is 18 for last year. The next highest stallion bred 12. There were several 9's 10's. The overwhelming majority of them file 1 one page report which only has room for 6 mares. Most have 1 - 3 and are all the property of the stallion owners. How can we even theorize about over usage of a stallion when we do not have stallions that are covering 50% or more of the mares? I do not even think we have a stallion on record that is covering 10% of the mares... But Mike May will be able to answer that. The most bred stallion bred .8% of the 2163 mares reported as living registered. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/10/05 1:45:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gayle - I am so impressed with your ethics, and obvious intelligence. We will soon be living within a couple of hours from you and I hope we can come visit your ranch. If I ever need to buy another Fjord you will definitely be on my top list of breeders. Tamara Fallbrook CA next week to be Applegate, OR Hi Tamara, Thank you for the kind words and welcome to Oregon. Of course, you would be welcome to visit our facility when you get settled. There are a number of Fjords here that always welcome another person to schmooze them! Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
Re: feed
This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] Omegatin, made by Kent Feeds is a good fat product to use.I can't get it here, so had to order it through KV Vet Supply, a bit on the expensive side with shipping but it's a great product. My friend found it when looking for something to feed to her horse that wasn't a grain, since he had foundered and discussed it with Dr. Beth via the EPSM website. Dr. Beth endorsed it. I even think on the Omegatin website somewhere it says thatI remember reading it. This has been a while ago, so don't know how accurate it all is anymore. But I like the Omegatin. Reena This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Right now I am finishing up what is left of the Natural Glow that I purchased, since I found out that Natural Glow and Strategy are considered feed for high performance horses and are high in calories.
Re: fighting Fjords?
This message is from: Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] told us about this very fascinating Beowulf movie website. Horses also, maybe Icelandic? The Beowulf site was interesting. There are several photos of Icelandic horses. In the stunt gallery there's a great pic of a group of warriors with torches riding Icelandics. I have an Icleandic horse and a fjord (love those Viking horses). I have heard of the vikings pitting their horses in fights. I never got any details though. Cherie Red Bluff, CA (soon to be living in North Carolina)
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2005 #179
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello digest I wanted to ask you all if you have some interesting photos of fjord's. I am doing a breed expo at the Los Angeles County Fair. I am making a banner and I wanted to put photos of fjords doing different things. If you could send me some photos it would be great. You can email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) or you can send them in the mail 23355 Modoc Ct Perris, Ca 92570 If anyone has any suggestions please let me know. Thank You Katherine Kramer 23355 Modoc Ct Gavilan Hills, CA 92570 951-657-2505
