Thank you to Willows Edge Farm

[Marcia Pace]

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Corinne at Willows Edge Farm offers a great service for listing fjord horses
for sale.  I first became aware of her service on this list. It's easy, free
and it works.  

 

We recently sold a 6 year old gelding to a woman in Oregon.She was the
first person to contact me and sounded like she was a perfect fit with SMF
Talisman. It took a couple of weeks to work out our schedules so that she
could make the trip up to see him.  In the meantime, I had an additional 6-7
very interested parties contact me regarding Tally.  I had to call all of
these people back and tell them that he had sold. The only place I had him
advertised was on Corrine's website.  Most of the interested parties were
looking for a solid fjord between the ages of 6-12 with trail experience
located in the Pacific Northwest.  For the most part they didn't have a
preference regarding mare/gelding, they were not looking to show, but wanted
a respectful, willing, family type horse.  

 

I was surprised to receive so many calls so fast in a soft horse market.

 

Anyway, this is a plug for the service offered to fjord owners' on Corrine's
website  - www.willowsedgefarm.com    It
works!   

 

Marcia Pace

Ellensburg, Wa

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How much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?

[Marcia Pace]

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Amy, 

I'm in central Washington State and my pasture is pretty lush right now.  My
fjords go out to graze for 2 hrs in the a.m. and 2 hrs in the p.m.  They are
not receiving any hay. They were slowly transitioned off of the hay and onto
pasture once the pasture could support their grazing.  It is labor intensive
but saves a lot of $$ considering the price of hay.  

  In July, as things dry out they will be allowed to stay out a bit longer.
They are all an appropriate weight and good about the program.  They each
get 1 lb. daily of Purina's Mare & Maintenance. It balances their diet and
encourages them into the dry lot ( 1/2 in the morning and 1/2 in the p.m).
Once they are used to the routine they come galloping in with a shake of the
bucket. 

I bought a hanging scale from Vally Vet a couple of years ago and hanging
hays bags that make it very easy to weigh hay.  When the fjords are on a hay
(timothy) diet they usually get 1.25% of their body weight daily. Which is
often a good size flake (6-7 lbs) a.m. and p.m. For every 10 degrees below
freezing I increase their hay ration by 10%.  I found that without weighing
the hay it was too easy to overfeed.  

Marcia Pace
www.fjordfarm.com 

 

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Does anyone know how long a horse would need to be out on pasture to  
get the equivalent of a flake of grass hay?  When they were getting  
hay, they each got one flake in the morning and one at night, so I'm  
thinking I should leave them out there just long enough to get an  
equivalent amount of food and then keep them in dry lot the rest of  
the time, with a little low calorie hay for something to munch on.

--Amy

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Mare for sale

[Debbie Ulrich]

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I am putting this on for friends who have a mare for sale.

Debbie



REGISTERED, 16 YEAR OLD FJORD MARE FOR SALE.  SHE STANDS 14 HANDS HIGH.  SHE
WAS USED FOR BREEDING ONLY, NOT BROKE TO RIDE OR DRIVE.  DINA'S REGISTRATION
NUMBER IS 2321-B

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DAM- DELLFINA  2074-B

DINA PRODUCES VERY NICE RIDING AND DRIVING BABIES.  SON, DAUGHTER, AND
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CALL FOR MORE INFORMATION AT ROLLINGHILLS FJORDS

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Re: how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?

[KateSeidel]

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Half an hour for a flake!?  I knew my ponies were gobbling
 
Kate
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How long  does it take for your horses to eat their single flake of hay? Half 
 hour?







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RE: Re: Hi Brigid + Park Drag News

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  Anyone hauling horses between CA and the MidWest?
or Kentucky?

My accountant knows a hauler who is going from
Southern California, to Washington, to the Midwest
fairly soon. 

Mitch Krause.  800 354 6773.  I think he may be
hauling a horse for Liz Alward in Redding...to WA
soon.  My accountant is Judy Cochran.  Mitch has done
some hauling for her and she recommends him.  (She
has crazy Arabs. :_))  I think the name is Winged
Horses Transportation.  If you Google the phone
number in quotes.  "800-354-6773"  you will see some
links to things he has done.


Gail

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fly allergies

[Claudia]

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Hello Again,

Forgot to mention--I have a gelding with high allergic responses to a few
things, and we finally just put him on Tri-Hist in the summer.  An
orange-flavored powdered antihistamine, one scoop a day on feed, and keeps the
histamine response dampened down quite a bit when other things don't seem to
work.  Kind of like Claritin for horses.  Works very well, no bad side
effects, not too expensive.

Claudia and Vergel, who is now in jail.

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hours of grazing vs flake of hay, flies

[Claudia]

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Hello,

If you have ever hand-grazed a hungry horse, you would swear that they eat the
equivalent of a flake of hay in about five minutes flat, if there is good
grazing.  On short pasture, of course it would be a bit longer, but not too
much.  Fortunately I have had years of training trying to keep Morgans from
exploding, so I never made the mistake of turning the Fjordie out full time.
Right now he is out with the Morgans, and they can go out from 8-12 on short
pasture, quite eaten down.   Then dry lot for the rest of the day, with a
flake of hay 2-3 times during the afternoon and evening.  No grain.

As for flies, everything seems to work 'sort of' but not well enough to be
really good.  My solution is to turn them out at night, after the mosquito
frenzy, and keep them inside where it is cool and breezy during the day.  The
only rub with that is that then they are free to graze all night, and that's
too long.  So right now I let them out on pasture in the morning for a couple
hours, depends on how fat they are, then barn all afternoon away from hot sun
and flies, and then out in the dry lot overnight with a flake of hay, where
they can dig and roll and lie down, but not eat grass.

With this protocol, it is hard to leave anyone to take care of them in the
summer--much easier to have someone come in and feed am/pm in the winter!!

I haven't tried grazing muzzles, and I suppose I will give in and do that.  I
just don't like turning out horses with anything fastened to their heads
except the occasional fly mask.

Claudia and Vergel, who knocked down the gate yesterday and then went under
the hot wire, to the big pasture.

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Re: what is happening to the swallows

[jgayle]

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The minute I hit the send button on my last email, answer re swallows, I 
knew I was wrong.  Sorry if I upset anyone and I will stick to Fjordie land. 
Jean Gayle








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Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #107

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In a message dated 5/21/08 4:28:47 PM,
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> I have a Fjord who suffers from fly bite allergies. 
>

have you tried fly predators? they are tiny bees that eat the larvae in the
poop. you order them by mail and they come in a box that you just open up and
dump in the pasture.

or chickensthey love to rummage through the poop and eat the larvae
and any grain that might have passed through.

laurie


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Re: what is happening to the swallows

[jgayle]

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Janet, What is happening to the swallows will and is happening to us.  With 
booming populations, something has to die back. Anywhere.  Jean Gayle.  PS I 
wonder how the wild horses are doing.   Jean Gayle





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Re: how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?

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It depends on the type of grass they're eating, the overall condition of 
the pasture, and the season (and even the time of day). You're going to 
have to experiment a bit.


How long does it take for your horses to eat their single flake of hay? 
Half hour?


I'd start with that amount of time twice a day (or double that, once a 
day) on pasture and see how they look in a month.


Lush spring grass is pretty rich. Later in the summer when the grass is 
growing more slowly and not so rich, you can probably leave them on 
pasture longer without over-feeding.


DeeAnna

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Re: how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?

[jgayle]

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Amy, I judge by my Fjord, as they can surprise you and so can a little 
"grass"! Gunnar was happily, only over food, munching away in the big field, 
and he suddenly ballooned up like the grass.  The grass is dark green at 
this time of year. He, it did not add to his liking of me, was put on dry 
lot and only given small amounts of older hay about three times a day. No 
grain. His displeasure is heard around the neighborhood. His agitatation 
keeps him moving, which is good. The neck is now almost back to soft, but he 
still has fat pads on his hips. So, despite his rancor, he will be watched 
and dieted until he is thinner and the grass has gone to a lighter green 
color. Much less poop to pick up, also.  Jean Gayle






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Re: how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?

[fjordamy]

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When we had irrigated pastures with very good grass, we would let our 
mares out for about 1.5 - 3 hours twice a day (depending on just how 
much grass was there) and dry lot them the rest of the time. They did 
very well and seemed satisfied - as in did not tear out the hot wire - 
with this arangement.


Amy


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Subject: how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?

Does anyone know how long a horse would need to be out on pasture to 
get the equivalent of a flake of grass hay?


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RE: how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?

[Teressa]

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You could also use a grazing muzzle - that gives them more time on the
pasture as they have to work a little harder to get at the grass.  We used
to just let our fjords out on pasture in the winter time when the grass had
the least nutrients - still with a grazing muzzle then.  Once the spring
growth started and the grass became rich again, they had to stay in the dry
lot and we fed hay.  It is hard to keep them trim.  Teressa

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Subject: how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?

This message is from: Amy Goodloe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Two of my Fjord mares (Belle and Britta) have been out on the  
neighbor's pasture full time since last fall, and starting in early  
April I stopped giving them hay because they were getting plenty of  
grass, but now they're all of a sudden HUGE blimps!  So I need to  
start bringing them in part of the time, letting them out only to get  
their meals instead of a 24 hour all-you-can-eat buffet.

Does anyone know how long a horse would need to be out on pasture to  
get the equivalent of a flake of grass hay?  When they were getting  
hay, they each got one flake in the morning and one at night, so I'm  
thinking I should leave them out there just long enough to get an  
equivalent amount of food and then keep them in dry lot the rest of  
the time, with a little low calorie hay for something to munch on.

I tried looking this up on Google but it's hard to find the right  
keywords.  And I'm sure people's opinions vary.  Fjords sure are  
*seriously* easy keepers!

--Amy

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Re: how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?

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Or consider a grazing muzzle if you want a little more leeway on timing!

DeeAnna

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Re: Fly allergies

[jen frame]

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Oh yeah! Great suggestion Linda : the fly sheets!  My allergy mare
(not a Fjord, a TWH) is wearing a fly sheet for the first time this
year, and it works well. I watched her roll in it today and all was
fine. I bought it from Schneiders. It's good, and was one of Horse
Journals top picks.
Jen

On 5/21/08, Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This message is from: Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>  Have you tried the full body fly sheet- including protection for legs?
>
>  Also, you could keep her inside during the dayoutside at night.
>
>  I have tried the injestable fly control, the fly predators, spray, and while
>  they help, they do not eliminate and I assume one fly bite is all she needs 
> to
>  get a reaction?
>
>  Fans with lots of gusto can also help.
>
>  I am sorry for horses that are alergic to the fly bites.what a bummer
>  when flies love them.
>
>  One other thing you might consider...I had a fellow spray my barn with a
>  chemical..walls and cieling...if a fly landed it was killed and the
>  stuff lasted 3 months.
>
>  If nothing works..I'd try the shotsanything to bring her some
>  comfort.
>
>  Good luck and let us know what you do..Linda in WI
>
>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fly allergies> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008
>  10:54:16 -0600> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com> > This message is from:
>
> Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > I have a Fjord who suffers from
>  fly bite allergies. Every summer she > gets welts and speckles over her face
>  and neck, and on the tops of > her legs. She wears a fly mask and I use 
> Endure
>  which I find to be > the best protection. My barn and corrals are immaculate 
> -
>  I put up > those hideous smelly fly bags and use the timed sprayers. The 
> place
>  > is becoming a chemical factory which I am not happy about. And, I > don't
>  actually get that many flies at 7000ft in New Mexico. However, > it happens
>  each summer, is definitely fly-related and I cannot seem > to get a handle on
>  it. I spoke to my vet who talked about allergy > shots, but I'm hesitant to 
> do
>  that. He said he had heard of other > Fjords and ponies having similar
>  problems. I am considering trying > Solitude, an ingestible fly control which
>  is put in their feed and > prevents further fly breeding if used properly. 
> Yet
>  another > chemical. I was about to try fly predators, but I have had mixed >
>  reviews from friends about their effectiveness, and it's expensive. I > have
>  seven equines, so it all adds up.> > Does anyone have any suggestions or
>  successful solutions? Has anyone > tried Solitude? So far we're free and 
> clear
>  of flies, but I know it > will begin soon. Thanks!> > The FjordHorse List
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Re: how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?

[jen frame]

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Hi Amy, I don't know the answer you your question, but am writing to
ask you to pass the answer along to me when you get it!!!
Thanks,
jen

On 5/21/08, Amy Goodloe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This message is from: Amy Goodloe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>  Two of my Fjord mares (Belle and Britta) have been out on the neighbor's
> pasture full time since last fall, and starting in early April I stopped
> giving them hay because they were getting plenty of grass, but now they're
> all of a sudden HUGE blimps!  So I need to start bringing them in part of
> the time, letting them out only to get their meals instead of a 24 hour
> all-you-can-eat buffet.
>
>  Does anyone know how long a horse would need to be out on pasture to get
> the equivalent of a flake of grass hay?  When they were getting hay, they
> each got one flake in the morning and one at night, so I'm thinking I should
> leave them out there just long enough to get an equivalent amount of food
> and then keep them in dry lot the rest of the time, with a little low
> calorie hay for something to munch on.
>
>  I tried looking this up on Google but it's hard to find the right keywords.
>  And I'm sure people's opinions vary.  Fjords sure are *seriously* easy
> keepers!
>
>  --Amy
>
>  ~
>  Marehaven Farm  ~*~  Longmont, CO
>  http://www.marehaven.org
>
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Re: Fly allergies

[jen frame]

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Hi LInda,
I have a lot of experience with fly allergies, so here comes a barage of info!
I suspect that your Fjord is allergic to the Cullicoides Fly which is
also called a Gnat or No-See-Ums.  This type of biting fly will NOT be
erradicated by Fly Preditors, so don't waste your money on them. Nor
will their population be effectively reduced by feeding the feed
through larvacides. They breed in organic material like fallen leaves
in the woods, etc.

The horse is actually allergic to the saliva in the Cullicoides bite,
so what you need to do is calm down your horses's hyper immune
response. This reduces the inflammatory response.  And you need to
repel the Cullicoides from biting. To repel them from biting, try
this:
1). Feed garlic. There has been debate on this list as to whether
garlic causes anemia--it doesn't.  (verified by numerous tests, and
verified by blood test done on my own horses who get a double dose).
It must be very smelly garlic, The best I've ever found is by
Springtime herbals.
2). Vitamin B1 changes the chemistry in sweat and makes horses,
humans, even dogs (who don't sweat) not very appetizing to all biting
insects including mosquitos and fleas and ticks. Buy a B1 supplement
from KVVET.COM called Su-Per B1.  Feed it daily. There is no toxicity,
and it's cheap!  It WORKS!
with those 2 supplements you will reduce the number of bites your Fjord gets.
To calm the hyper immune response:
3). Feed a high quality Flax supplement every day. I think the best is
Glanzen 3 by Horsetech.com  You are adding some fat, but not much
starch to the Fjord's diet, so it is OK for plump Fjords!  The Omega
3's really help moderate the inflammatory response.
4). Feed your horse antioxidents. This really helps them heal those
never healing fly bites that become all season long pussy sores.
Anitoxidents are crucial for allergy sufferers.  I have mine custom
made for my horses by horsetech. BUt they also have an already
formulated Antioxident supplement that looks really good. It may be a
little short on Vitamin E, though, so look at it closely and if it
doesn't have what you want, ask the owner Rod to make you a blend with
what you want in it.

If you want to feed a safe and natural feed through larvacide, then
feed Diatomaceous Earth. The best is by a company called DE36.COM  .
DO NOT feed garden store variety DE.
There is some debate in Horse Journal as to wether DE works as an
internal de-wormer. But I know that it does work as a feed through.
The flies eggs laid in the horse poop that has DE in it, don't hatch!
So this will reduce the population of other biting flies, NOT the
Cullicoides.

If your vet has an actual allergy shot that desensitizes the horse
over time to the Cullicoides, I would like to know, because I thought
that was only available in England.
I hope this helps!
Jen

On 5/21/08, Lola Lahr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This message is from: "Lola Lahr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>  I have 8 horses and I use both an insect growth regulator (Simplifly) and
>  the fly predators.  With my 2 mustangs, I am also trying Bug Check (mostly
>  garlic) to keep the gnats off their bellies - they are both very allergic to
>  gnat bites,  lose all of their belly hair and the whole area gets crusty
>  with bloody, oozing sores which are very very itchy . The addition of the
>  Bug Check seems to be working on the gnats and mosquitoes.  I have 1 Arab
>  who gets the welts all over him from bites, and so far, this year, no welts
>  just using the predators and Simplifly.  I  have also used Endure on an as
>  needed basis, haven't had to use it yet this year.  I know what you mean by
>  the $$, but this seems to be the least chemically based treatment menu I
>  have been able to come up with so far, and the reduction in flies is such a
>  relief to everyone! Simplifly and Solitude work the same way, and is just a
>  little less expensive. We got a large tub from KV Vet Supply for a bit less
>  $ than an equivalent dosage amount of Solitude, and it works very, very
>  well.
>
>
>  On 5/21/08, Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  > This message is from: Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >
>  > I have a Fjord who suffers from fly bite allergies.  Every summer she gets
>  > welts and speckles over her face and neck, and on the tops of her legs.  
> She
>  > wears a fly mask and I use Endure which I find to be the best protection.
>  >  My barn and corrals are immaculate - I put up those hideous smelly fly 
> bags
>  > and use the timed sprayers. The place is becoming a chemical factory which 
> I
>  > am not happy about.  And, I don't actually get that many flies at 7000ft in
>  > New Mexico.  However, it happens each summer, is definitely fly-related and
>  > I cannot seem to get a handle on it.  I spoke to my vet who talked about
>  > allergy shots, but I'm hesitant to do that.  He said he had heard of other
>  > Fjords and ponies havin

Re: Fly allergies

[jen frame]

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One more idea: homeopathics. Try a remedy called Apis in the dose 30C.
Jen

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> Oh yeah! Great suggestion Linda : the fly sheets!  My allergy mare
>  (not a Fjord, a TWH) is wearing a fly sheet for the first time this
>  year, and it works well. I watched her roll in it today and all was
>  fine. I bought it from Schneiders. It's good, and was one of Horse
>  Journals top picks.
>
> Jen
>
>
>  On 5/21/08, Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > This message is from: Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >
>  >  Have you tried the full body fly sheet- including protection for legs?
>  >
>  >  Also, you could keep her inside during the dayoutside at night.
>  >
>  >  I have tried the injestable fly control, the fly predators, spray, and 
> while
>  >  they help, they do not eliminate and I assume one fly bite is all she 
> needs to
>  >  get a reaction?
>  >
>  >  Fans with lots of gusto can also help.
>  >
>  >  I am sorry for horses that are alergic to the fly bites.what a 
> bummer
>  >  when flies love them.
>  >
>  >  One other thing you might consider...I had a fellow spray my barn 
> with a
>  >  chemical..walls and cieling...if a fly landed it was killed and 
> the
>  >  stuff lasted 3 months.
>  >
>  >  If nothing works..I'd try the shotsanything to bring her some
>  >  comfort.
>  >
>  >  Good luck and let us know what you do..Linda in WI
>  >
>  >  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fly allergies> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008
>  >  10:54:16 -0600> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com> > This message is from:
>  >
>  > Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > I have a Fjord who suffers from
>  >  fly bite allergies. Every summer she > gets welts and speckles over her 
> face
>  >  and neck, and on the tops of > her legs. She wears a fly mask and I use 
> Endure
>  >  which I find to be > the best protection. My barn and corrals are 
> immaculate -
>  >  I put up > those hideous smelly fly bags and use the timed sprayers. The 
> place
>  >  > is becoming a chemical factory which I am not happy about. And, I > 
> don't
>  >  actually get that many flies at 7000ft in New Mexico. However, > it 
> happens
>  >  each summer, is definitely fly-related and I cannot seem > to get a 
> handle on
>  >  it. I spoke to my vet who talked about allergy > shots, but I'm hesitant 
> to do
>  >  that. He said he had heard of other > Fjords and ponies having similar
>  >  problems. I am considering trying > Solitude, an ingestible fly control 
> which
>  >  is put in their feed and > prevents further fly breeding if used 
> properly. Yet
>  >  another > chemical. I was about to try fly predators, but I have had 
> mixed >
>  >  reviews from friends about their effectiveness, and it's expensive. I > 
> have
>  >  seven equines, so it all adds up.> > Does anyone have any suggestions or
>  >  successful solutions? Has anyone > tried Solitude? So far we're free and 
> clear
>  >  of flies, but I know it > will begin soon. Thanks!> > The FjordHorse List
>  >  archives can be found at:> http://tinyurl.com/rcepw> >
>  >
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RE: how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?

[Linda Lottie]

This message is from: Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Good Question!!!

My fjords are out on pasture from 6am until around 4-5pm each day.  They are
in a dry lot at night.

Because it has been so darn! cold this spring I have been giving them a
teeny tiny flake in the evening.but, if the temps are warmer they
would not get hay.  My mare gets a little to "round" on this program but the
geldings do fine.

Soon our grass will grow with a vengance...then I put grazing muzzles on for
the entire day.  Dry lot at night.

I also watch carefully their weight...check them daily.  As the summer turns
hot and dry with lesser quality grass, I adjust accordingly free graze vs
muzzles.

It is a delicate dance with these wonderful fjords...and some say
"easy keepers"..haha!!

Unlike the QH, Appy and Mini.fjords NEVER raise their heads throughout
the day.so, dry lot at night allows them time to rest and chill.
haha!!!

Linda in NW  WI> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com>
Subject: how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?> Date: Wed,
21 May 2008 11:23:35 -0600> > This message is from: Amy Goodloe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Two of my Fjord mares (Belle and Britta) have been
out on the > neighbor's pasture full time since last fall, and starting in
early > April I stopped giving them hay because they were getting plenty of >
grass, but now they're all of a sudden HUGE blimps! So I need to > start
bringing them in part of the time, letting them out only to get > their meals
instead of a 24 hour all-you-can-eat buffet.> > Does anyone know how long a
horse would need to be out on pasture to > get the equivalent of a flake of
grass hay? When they were getting > hay, they each got one flake in the
morning and one at night, so I'm > thinking I should leave them out there just
long enough to get an > equivalent amount of food and then keep them in dry
lot the rest of > the time, with a little low calorie hay for something to
munch on.> > I tried looking this up on Google but it's hard to find the right
> keywords. And I'm sure people's opinions vary. Fjords sure are > *seriously*
easy keepers!> > --Amy> > ~> Marehaven Farm ~*~
Longmont, CO> http://www.marehaven.org> > The FjordHorse List archives can be
found at:> http://tinyurl.com/rcepw> >

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RE: Fly allergies

[Linda Lottie]

This message is from: Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Have you tried the full body fly sheet- including protection for legs?

Also, you could keep her inside during the dayoutside at night.

I have tried the injestable fly control, the fly predators, spray, and while
they help, they do not eliminate and I assume one fly bite is all she needs to
get a reaction?

Fans with lots of gusto can also help.

I am sorry for horses that are alergic to the fly bites.what a bummer
when flies love them.

One other thing you might consider...I had a fellow spray my barn with a
chemical..walls and cieling...if a fly landed it was killed and the
stuff lasted 3 months.

If nothing works..I'd try the shotsanything to bring her some
comfort.

Good luck and let us know what you do..Linda in WI

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fly allergies> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008
10:54:16 -0600> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com> > This message is from:
Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > I have a Fjord who suffers from
fly bite allergies. Every summer she > gets welts and speckles over her face
and neck, and on the tops of > her legs. She wears a fly mask and I use Endure
which I find to be > the best protection. My barn and corrals are immaculate -
I put up > those hideous smelly fly bags and use the timed sprayers. The place
> is becoming a chemical factory which I am not happy about. And, I > don't
actually get that many flies at 7000ft in New Mexico. However, > it happens
each summer, is definitely fly-related and I cannot seem > to get a handle on
it. I spoke to my vet who talked about allergy > shots, but I'm hesitant to do
that. He said he had heard of other > Fjords and ponies having similar
problems. I am considering trying > Solitude, an ingestible fly control which
is put in their feed and > prevents further fly breeding if used properly. Yet
another > chemical. I was about to try fly predators, but I have had mixed >
reviews from friends about their effectiveness, and it's expensive. I > have
seven equines, so it all adds up.> > Does anyone have any suggestions or
successful solutions? Has anyone > tried Solitude? So far we're free and clear
of flies, but I know it > will begin soon. Thanks!> > The FjordHorse List
archives can be found at:> http://tinyurl.com/rcepw> >

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Re: Fly allergies

[Lola Lahr]

This message is from: "Lola Lahr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I have 8 horses and I use both an insect growth regulator (Simplifly) and
the fly predators.  With my 2 mustangs, I am also trying Bug Check (mostly
garlic) to keep the gnats off their bellies - they are both very allergic to
gnat bites,  lose all of their belly hair and the whole area gets crusty
with bloody, oozing sores which are very very itchy . The addition of the
Bug Check seems to be working on the gnats and mosquitoes.  I have 1 Arab
who gets the welts all over him from bites, and so far, this year, no welts
just using the predators and Simplifly.  I  have also used Endure on an as
needed basis, haven't had to use it yet this year.  I know what you mean by
the $$, but this seems to be the least chemically based treatment menu I
have been able to come up with so far, and the reduction in flies is such a
relief to everyone! Simplifly and Solitude work the same way, and is just a
little less expensive. We got a large tub from KV Vet Supply for a bit less
$ than an equivalent dosage amount of Solitude, and it works very, very
well.

On 5/21/08, Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This message is from: Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I have a Fjord who suffers from fly bite allergies.  Every summer she gets
> welts and speckles over her face and neck, and on the tops of her legs.  She
> wears a fly mask and I use Endure which I find to be the best protection.
>  My barn and corrals are immaculate - I put up those hideous smelly fly bags
> and use the timed sprayers. The place is becoming a chemical factory which I
> am not happy about.  And, I don't actually get that many flies at 7000ft in
> New Mexico.  However, it happens each summer, is definitely fly-related and
> I cannot seem to get a handle on it.  I spoke to my vet who talked about
> allergy shots, but I'm hesitant to do that.  He said he had heard of other
> Fjords and ponies having similar problems.  I am considering trying
> Solitude, an ingestible fly control which is put in their feed and prevents
> further fly breeding if used properly.  Yet another chemical. I was about to
> try fly predators, but I have had mixed reviews from friends about their
> effectiveness, and it's expensive. I have seven equines, so it all adds up.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions or successful solutions?  Has anyone tried
> Solitude? So far we're free and clear of flies, but I know it will begin
> soon.  Thanks!
>
> The FjordHorse List archives can be found at:
> http://tinyurl.com/rcepw

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how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?

[Amy Goodloe]

This message is from: Amy Goodloe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Two of my Fjord mares (Belle and Britta) have been out on the  
neighbor's pasture full time since last fall, and starting in early  
April I stopped giving them hay because they were getting plenty of  
grass, but now they're all of a sudden HUGE blimps!  So I need to  
start bringing them in part of the time, letting them out only to get  
their meals instead of a 24 hour all-you-can-eat buffet.


Does anyone know how long a horse would need to be out on pasture to  
get the equivalent of a flake of grass hay?  When they were getting  
hay, they each got one flake in the morning and one at night, so I'm  
thinking I should leave them out there just long enough to get an  
equivalent amount of food and then keep them in dry lot the rest of  
the time, with a little low calorie hay for something to munch on.


I tried looking this up on Google but it's hard to find the right  
keywords.  And I'm sure people's opinions vary.  Fjords sure are  
*seriously* easy keepers!


--Amy

~
Marehaven Farm  ~*~  Longmont, CO
http://www.marehaven.org

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Fly allergies

[Linda McThoy Patorni]

This message is from: Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I have a Fjord who suffers from fly bite allergies.  Every summer she  
gets welts and speckles over her face and neck, and on the tops of  
her legs.  She wears a fly mask and I use Endure which I find to be  
the best protection.  My barn and corrals are immaculate - I put up  
those hideous smelly fly bags and use the timed sprayers. The place  
is becoming a chemical factory which I am not happy about.  And, I  
don't actually get that many flies at 7000ft in New Mexico.  However,  
it happens each summer, is definitely fly-related and I cannot seem  
to get a handle on it.  I spoke to my vet who talked about allergy  
shots, but I'm hesitant to do that.  He said he had heard of other  
Fjords and ponies having similar problems.  I am considering trying  
Solitude, an ingestible fly control which is put in their feed and  
prevents further fly breeding if used properly.  Yet another  
chemical. I was about to try fly predators, but I have had mixed  
reviews from friends about their effectiveness, and it's expensive. I  
have seven equines, so it all adds up.


Does anyone have any suggestions or successful solutions?  Has anyone  
tried Solitude? So far we're free and clear of flies, but I know it  
will begin soon.  Thanks!


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what is happening to the swallows

[Janet]

This message is from: "Janet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I heard in the news that the swallows migrated north at the usual time this 
year, but spring was so late in coming, and it was so cold the bugs had not 
hatched out in sufficient numbers, so many swallows starved at the end of 
their journey.


janet 


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RE: on the mend

[Jacquie Mathison]

This message is from: "Jacquie Mathison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I found a pair of very sharp scissors with blunt tips at an office supply
store.  I used them to roach my Shire cross and they worked very well.  I
can look at the brand name when I go back out.  

Jacquie Mathison
Ironrose Whippets, Norwegian Forest Cats, and Ty the Shire cross
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> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 5/21/2008 12:36:46 AM
> Subject: on the mend
>
> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> In a message dated 5/19/2008 8:11:27 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Can't some one make us sharp grooming scissors with BLUNT TIPS?

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Re: Hi Brigid + Park Drag News

[betsybauer1]

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Howdy there Brigid,
Glad to hear you are closer to us.  Yes, come and ride Arne, he may not be here 
long.  We are 3 hours door to door from San Jose and you can bring your dogs.  
I'll send you particulars.
Arne update:  Have had some great inquiries for him.  Anyone hauling horses 
between CA and the MidWest? or Kentucky?
Please contact me privately,
Also, does everyone remember my father's Park Drag?  The yellow one?  We just 
got pictures after it returned to England and a team of Freisians pranched 
their way around the Royal Windsor Horse Show and drove through Her Majesty the 
Queens private grounds at Windsor Castle.  They met both Her Majesty and Prince 
Philip whilst on the Park Drag. HRH Prince Philip commenting  "absolutely 
splendid - well done" as they passed by.
I'll post pictures to my site www.fjordpony.com  
That's the latest from here, Hope everyone is having a great Spring,
 Betsy

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attention PNFPG members

[Ursula & Brian Jensen]

This message is from: "Ursula & Brian Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The summer newsletter is in the works with a mid-June deadline for
submissions. Please get your ads, articles, committee reports and photos in
ASAP as space is always an issue towards the deadline.
Anyone who is renewing ads please contact me. The summer edition should
contain some foal photos but I have received none to date. As well, send me
info about events and upcoming shows in your area or Parades that people
could attend between July and Sept to showcase the Fjord horse in the
Pacific Northwest.
If your children are involved in activities with their Fjords, let me know
and send photos.
ANYTHING Fjord related goes in on a first come first serve basis. Do it NOW.
Send to:
Ursula at the e-mail address below...remember to resize JPG photos to a
small size..4x6 max...and less than 1MB...all text in Word preferred


Ursula and Brian Jensen
Box 1032
Lumby, B.C. Canada
V0E 2G0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nordfjordeid 2008, the web album

[Karen Keith]

This message is from: Karen Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Dear Fjord lovers:

I would like to share with you, through pictures, my trip to the Nordfjordeid
stallion show.  I hope you enjoy them.  I have added names and scores for the
stallions, which makes it easier to see how each horse scored, although not
all stallions are pictured.  There are also lots of candids, giving the flavor
of the event, as well as the obligatory tourist shots.

Enjoy!

http://pets.webshots.com/album/563496009GhEkyq

Karen, Am in Eng
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Della Ree - the only one of us with a brain

[kateseidel]

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Despite not being Catholic, I often feel the need to confess stupid things 
we've done (much like my friend Lisa - although my stupid things do not put me 
in the ER and usually do not involve sharp objects).

Yesterday my daughter (who is 20, and knows better), had both ponies on lead 
ropes?while I chatted with a friend.? For reasons she cannot now explain? 
beyond "what was I thinking", she went into the corral with Joe and decided to 
leave Della outside to graze.? Della does NOT need to be tied when left 
anywhere near grass, but Mo decided to tie her anyway.? Instead of tying her to 
something sturdy, she tied her to a 2x4 nailed across two sturdy posts.? Then 
she locked the quick release knot so it could not be released, and the left the 
entire length of the 12' lead rope so Della could move around.? I walked up to 
her just as Della stepped over the rope, caught a hind leg up in it, and 
started to hop.

Like a slow motion video, I grabbed for the quick release to untie her, and 
realized it was not going to release.? Tried for the snap and could not get it 
open.? Went for the halter and Della kept hopping, but by now she had hopped 
her 1,200 lbs over and pinned me in between her and the fence, were I can see 
the 2x4 starting to bow outwards on its way to snapping and killing us all with 
flying shards of wood.? I began squealing, Della kept hopping, Morgan came at a 
trot (no one in my family canters, not even the people).

Everything ended well.? Mo got the knot untied before anything bad happened.? I 
have lectured her ad nauseum about the entire sequence of events and where she 
could have made better choices.? Della finds the entire scenario completely 
unnecessary since who needs to be tied when there is grass anyway!? 

May has been a challenging month for us

Kate
with Joe and Della

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