Re: FIRE season not over
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will continue to pray for the safety of Jeff and all who are entrusted to his care, we lived in Yorba Linda? for 4 years? and have family in CA and fully understand the violence of the winds, I believe the natives also refer to the hot desert winds as both the Santa Anas and "The Devil Winds" too hot & dry ; fan fires. Susan in NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 3:44 pm Subject: FIRE season not over This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List. Jeff is on a strike team in Montecito ( Santa Barbara ) CA. fighting the fire there. You can follow it on all major news channels today. They expect the winds to pick up tonight so he will be busy. I guess that the Santa Ana winds are also blasting Orange Co. today, so he is also worried about " his " neighborhood. After last years Santiago Canyon fire, everything has grown back very thick, so of course very scary. The homes where he is right now, are valued an adverage 10 million dollars. Of course it is also horse areas, so prayers please for everyone involved. ** Corrine, HOT vs COLD ? The Fjords are as cold as it gets. That said, just like people, a few of us run a bit hotter.; ) Lisa ps: does your surgeon know you are riding after only 3 weeks ? ** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid =emlcntusdown0001) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Cold bloods / Post Op...
This message is from: Corinne Logan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Other than that, I do not care if Fjords are hot, warm, or cold bloods. >Regards,>Curt Pierce>Mathias, WV I agree completely, it was just one of those things that came up when my mother - who races TB's- and I were discussing the warm vs cold bloods. I agree with Eike also that trying to fit a Fjord into a specific category is a lot like trying to put the square block in a round hole :-) Lisa (and all)... Let me say thank you and that I do not advocate riding at 3 weeks post op, but at my two week post op appointment, the surgeon asked if I would be his poster child for shoulder surgery :-) (I had 90% of my motion back even though I should have been at about 20- CRAZY). I told him it was having to get back out to the barn that made recovery quicker ... he said no need for me to check back unless I injured something or recovery stopped (which he said he has only said once before to a patient). Truly, I'm not pushing it, just had to do a little ride with my sweet boy. I promise I will wait to do trail riding until everything is at 110% or better. I cannot say just HOW glad I am that I had things fixed! I feel like a new person - (not the cranky mom, as my 16 year old says). Thanks,Corinne Logan Willows Edge FarmBothell, WA 425-402-6781 www.willowsedgefarm.com www.seattlecarriagerides.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Names
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "M. Denmark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can someone please help me figure out what the reference or name "Purdy" > comes from as relating to fjords? As you look up in the NFHR registration > search there a numerous references in lineages to "Purdy mare". Does Purdy > mean something in Norwegian or what? > Milli Ann The short version is that circa 1965, Robert Purdy (28 Ranch, Buffalo, Wyoming) acquired several Fjords that had been imported from Norway in the late 50's and early 60's. He bred Fjords until about 1974. After his death, his herd was dispersed without adequate documentation. (No Fjord registries existed in the US until the late 70's.) In some cases, owners had hand-written pedigrees, or word-of-mouth ones; in other cases, there were conflicting stories, or reconstructed guess-timates of ages and pedigrees. So, there were lots of what everyone agreed were pure Fjords out there whose pedigrees were "well, Purdy bred her, and I'm pretty sure Solvfast was her father, but we're not sure which mare dropped that filly". Hence the notation, "dam unknown (Purdy mare)". Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Hot vs cold vs ?
This message is from: Susan Cargill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you Eike for the informative post. I have a couple of fjords (originally imported from outside the USA) who are definitely easy keepers. I don't consider them to be hot but a little more sensitive. They definitely can eat more without gaining weight but are still very sweet natured and willing to please. They just need the appropriate handling. That said I would not consider them appropriate for a beginner as most well trained fjords can be. As I mentioned they can be more sensitive and need an experienced rider/driver but they are exceptionally responsive - which can be a good thing. Susan Cargill - Longtheway Farm Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: update
This message is from: "Jill E. Fishinger C.P.A. PC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: update This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeffs ok, still in Santa Barbara area on his strike team. Fires now in Orange Co. Yorba Linda area, Anahiem Hills, Corona. Sylmar fire has burned over 500 homes now. Hope the winds ( up to 79 MPH, hurricane force ) die down soon. Thanks for the notes for Jeff..Lisa ** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download. html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Names
This message is from: "M. Denmark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can someone please help me figure out what the reference or name "Purdy" comes from as relating to fjords? As you look up in the NFHR registration search there a numerous references in lineages to "Purdy mare". Does Purdy mean something in Norwegian or what? Thanks for any help. Milli Ann Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
update
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeffs ok, still in Santa Barbara area on his strike team. Fires now in Orange Co. Yorba Linda area, Anahiem Hills, Corona. Sylmar fire has burned over 500 homes now. Hope the winds ( up to 79 MPH, hurricane force ) die down soon. Thanks for the notes for Jeff..Lisa ** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download. html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Re: cold vs warm blood
This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting. The only Haflinger I know personally is a very reactive horse, though big muscled and largish feet. He is quite jumpy, but has powerful floating movement. Gail Russell Intentionally I did not mention the Haflinger, as this is a very recently (in comparison) developed synthetic breed with the starting point being a cross of a coldblood and an Arab. That is a different story alltogether. Eike Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
All Warm Blooded Horses
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> this is what Wikipedia has on the subject: "The terms 'hot, warm and cold' blooded horses are inaccurate - all horses are mammals and are therefore warm blooded. Hot blooded breeds are mostly Eastern breeds, the foundation horse being the Arab, but also including Akhal-teke, Barb etc. The modern Thoroughbred, Arab, Anglo-Arab, Akhal-teke, Standardbred and most 'speed' breeds are hotbloods. Warm-blooded horses are mostly sporthorses. These were based on strong, useful horses crossed with fast blood. Polo ponies and horses that excel at eventing, showjumping and dressage are generally warmbloods. These include the Friesian, Hanoverian, Andalusian, Lipizzaner, and hunters. Many are also crossbreds with warm/cold and hot horses, ie. Irish Draught x Thoroughbred is the quintessential hunting horse. Cold blooded horses are the draught animals. They are large, heavily-muscled, with coarse joints and often feather and shaggy coats. They are not particularly delicate and not very fast either. They were bred for pulling heavy loads and for farm work, ie. ploughing, dragging wood. " I think we've discussed this subject in the past, might be more information in the archives. Some feel that the expression, cold blood, derives from horses with ancestors from the cold climates of northwestern Europe. Ruthie, nw mt, US Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: cold vs warm blood
This message is from: "Melinda Schumacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh! Tell us the story of the Haflinger too! LOL I love reading your informative posts. Melinda cool and rainy central Ohio On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Eike Schoen-Petersen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Eike Schoen-Petersen" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Some of them can get quite hot! - Never mind, what I wanted to say is > that this classification does not apply to the Fjord Horse. The origin of > the so called warmbloods is a long (>= 1000 years) history of mixing lighter > breeds (= desert horses like Sorayas, Arab, Achal-Tekke) into the heavier > populations of multi-purpose working horses of central Europe to produce > horses suited for a light = fast but not armored cavalry. In contrast the > heavy horse breeds in the same period were selected for carrying the heavily > armored knight into a more static person to person battle and later for > pulling the plow in the intensified agriculture on the richer and heavier > soils. Both groups have connections to the "original" wild horse types as > defined in Speed's theory of the different original types or subspecies of > the horse, but have been created largely by a long and intensive selection > process for their specified purpose. > > The Fjord Horse did not participate in much of those earlier selection > processes as its (multi-)purpose never changed until the 20th century and, > even though there has been some influence of the heavy Dole horse and the > certainly the lighter riding horses, the core of the Fjord breed is very > close to the original archaic pony type, the versatile, intelligent survivor > on poor forage and in adverse climate and rough terrain. Whereas todays > warmbloods and coldbloods are created by human selection for very specific > purposes, the Fjord has been selected largely by the natural conditions of > the Vestland and the more complex needs of the small farmer who had one > horse to do it all. > > For this reason we have such a good multi-purpose horse which is best at > versatility rather than racing or pulling or jumping. > > To me it is important not to classify the Fjord as warm or cold or heavy or > light, as this would not do our true multi-purpose horses and their origin > justice. If any association to a certain group is desired they are closest > to the group of pony breeds, with the Welsh, the Exmoor, the Dartmoor, the > Icelandic, the Shetland, the Highland, the Fell, the Dales, the Merens, the > Huzule, the Konik Not bad company to be in. Intentionally I did not > mention the Haflinger, as this is a very recently (in comparison) developed > synthetic breed with the starting point being a cross of a coldblood and an > Arab. That is a different story alltogether. > > Eike > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > > -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Equine Experiential Learning and Creative Expression "You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck." ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi "As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel."~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: cold vs warm blood
This message is from: "Eike Schoen-Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Some of them can get quite hot! - Never mind, what I wanted to say is that this classification does not apply to the Fjord Horse. The origin of the so called warmbloods is a long (>= 1000 years) history of mixing lighter breeds (= desert horses like Sorayas, Arab, Achal-Tekke) into the heavier populations of multi-purpose working horses of central Europe to produce horses suited for a light = fast but not armored cavalry. In contrast the heavy horse breeds in the same period were selected for carrying the heavily armored knight into a more static person to person battle and later for pulling the plow in the intensified agriculture on the richer and heavier soils. Both groups have connections to the "original" wild horse types as defined in Speed's theory of the different original types or subspecies of the horse, but have been created largely by a long and intensive selection process for their specified purpose. The Fjord Horse did not participate in much of those earlier selection processes as its (multi-)purpose never changed until the 20th century and, even though there has been some influence of the heavy Dole horse and the certainly the lighter riding horses, the core of the Fjord breed is very close to the original archaic pony type, the versatile, intelligent survivor on poor forage and in adverse climate and rough terrain. Whereas todays warmbloods and coldbloods are created by human selection for very specific purposes, the Fjord has been selected largely by the natural conditions of the Vestland and the more complex needs of the small farmer who had one horse to do it all. For this reason we have such a good multi-purpose horse which is best at versatility rather than racing or pulling or jumping. To me it is important not to classify the Fjord as warm or cold or heavy or light, as this would not do our true multi-purpose horses and their origin justice. If any association to a certain group is desired they are closest to the group of pony breeds, with the Welsh, the Exmoor, the Dartmoor, the Icelandic, the Shetland, the Highland, the Fell, the Dales, the Merens, the Huzule, the Konik Not bad company to be in. Intentionally I did not mention the Haflinger, as this is a very recently (in comparison) developed synthetic breed with the starting point being a cross of a coldblood and an Arab. That is a different story alltogether. Eike Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: The NibbleNets Report - Day 1
This message is from: Genie Dethloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My NibbleNet will be coming any day. My plan is to feed a flake on the ground and to put the second in the Nibblenet. I think Pjo needs to devour some first then she can "enjoy" the challenge of the Nibble Net. This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got the nibblenets delivered today, and zipped out to the barn at meal time. I board my two fjords, and they share a pasture with a nice little Morgan -- Genie Dethloff and Pjoska Killingworth, Connecticut Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Bring on the Winter
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: <> That's the truth!! The Yeti ponies are so relieved when the temperature drops - they're the only ones! I show them pictures of Phil Odden's hard working snow ponies to make them feel better about the warmer temps!! Kate with Joe and Della **You Rock! One month of free movies delivered by mail from blockbuster.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.email_footer) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
