Re: Question about Dutch brands
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 05:24 PM 11/7/98 -0800, you wrote: >This message is from: Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >People have commented on how Dorina's Dutch brands are neither >white-haired like a typical freeze brand on a Quarter Horse or an >Arabian, nor is the hair permanently burned off like the traditional >Western brand. >So, what kind of brand is it? It is a hot brand. I have seen & smelled them being done at one of the Dutch Keurings in Woodstock VT. I think probably the difference between the 1/4 horse brands is the length of the hair. The fuzzy Fjords tend to cover the brands up. See if hair is actually growing from the branded surface or is it just being covered up? Mike == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question about Dutch brands
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:08 PM 11/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >This message is from: Julia Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>So, what kind of brand is it? > >In Holland they brand with a hot iron, just like in the old west. The area >is shaved first. The registration number (in symbol form) is on the near >hip (as a weanling) and a triangle with the letter of the year the horse >was born is put on the off hip, at age 3, when the horse passes inspection. I think they have finally stopped branding now. I have noticed that the last 2 years imports have not had brands but have had microchips implanted. I haven't had the opertunity to see if we can read the Dutch microchips or not yet though. Mike == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question about Dutch brands
This message is from: saskia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Meredith, >People have commented on how Dorina's Dutch brands are neither >white-haired like a typical freeze brand on a Quarter Horse or an >Arabian, nor is the hair permanently burned off like the traditional >Western brand. >So, what kind of brand is it? That's exactly the brands we have here too. In winter you can hardly see them, in summer it looks like thicker hair, or hair in the wrong direction... I know they do it with a hot iron, but I must say I didn't have a close look. I'm glad that they stopped doing it in Holland in 1997. Sybren was actually the first foal there to be chipped. (toot toot for Sybren who has been wonderful today - as always!!! we have been walking in the woods, it was such a nice day here today!). Here in Belgium they still do it and that's why I keep Syb in the Dutch registry. Saskia
Re: Question about Dutch brands
This message is from: Julia Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >So, what kind of brand is it? In Holland they brand with a hot iron, just like in the old west. The area is shaved first. The registration number (in symbol form) is on the near hip (as a weanling) and a triangle with the letter of the year the horse was born is put on the off hip, at age 3, when the horse passes inspection. >
Question about Dutch brands
This message is from: Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> People have commented on how Dorina's Dutch brands are neither white-haired like a typical freeze brand on a Quarter Horse or an Arabian, nor is the hair permanently burned off like the traditional Western brand. So, what kind of brand is it? Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy, Tennessee, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Dorina ~ NFR Aagot .~:~. Fjords My treasures neither clink nor glitter, but gleam in the sunlight and neigh in the night. - anon
Re: Dutch brands
This message is from: Roland Thier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hay Meredith, > Another question ... Are all Dutch Norwegian Fjord Horses of known > parentage that enter the Registry branded with a triangle 'D', perhaps > for 'Dutch'? > Or would Konggard have a triangle 'K' brand and Dorina have a triangle > 'D', etc.? Yes, D was a example letter and stands for the year 1983 My fjords are Nanna with number N-29, (1969) and Blid with number B-12 (1981) Roland Thier (Holland)
Re: Dutch brands
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 12:58 PM 4/13/98 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: "the Sessoms'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Roland Thier wrote: > >>> [snip] They get the upside-down triangle with a 'D' in it on the >age of three >>> when they enter the Registry. [snip] >>> I don't think the fjord will be two then they have two brands, >because they >>> get the second when they are three year's old. [snip] > > >Uh-oh, now I'm confused ... I thought Dorina was imported as a two year >old, and she has the Dutch brands. Then she must have been three or >older when she came to the new world! Carol, do you remember? > >Another question ... Are all Dutch Norwegian Fjord Horses of known >parentage that enter the Registry branded with a triangle 'D', perhaps >for 'Dutch'? >Or would Konggard have a triangle 'K' brand and Dorina have a triangle >'D', etc.? > If it is the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry of the US you are speaking of then NO. The NFHR has never branded any horses as far as I know. They could have been done at one of the Dutch keurings though. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) http://www.nfhr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 ===
Re: Dutch brands
This message is from: "the Sessoms'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Roland Thier wrote: >> [snip] They get the upside-down triangle with a 'D' in it on the age of three >> when they enter the Registry. [snip] >> I don't think the fjord will be two then they have two brands, because they >> get the second when they are three year's old. [snip] Uh-oh, now I'm confused ... I thought Dorina was imported as a two year old, and she has the Dutch brands. Then she must have been three or older when she came to the new world! Carol, do you remember? Another question ... Are all Dutch Norwegian Fjord Horses of known parentage that enter the Registry branded with a triangle 'D', perhaps for 'Dutch'? Or would Konggard have a triangle 'K' brand and Dorina have a triangle 'D', etc.? tia Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy TN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Dorina - NFR Aagot - - - Fjords - Caper - Carly - Crickett - - - Labradors
Re: Dutch brands
This message is from: Roland Thier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Does the NFHR have a brand for the Fjords who pass muster at American > evaluations? > > My fjord mare, Dorina, has the Dutch brands on each hip. I understand > that this is done at the two year old evaluation, and that she must have > passed through a grading system at the time. Dutch foals get the + with dots on the right side when they are graded the first time and enter the foal-registry. (usualy when they are a couple of months old). They get the upside-down triangle with a 'D' in it on the age of three when they enter the Registry. Some letters are not used like Q, but i thought the X is used. The letter "I" is used for import fjords. The + with the dots represents the registry-number of the fjord, i know a little bit about this numbers: 1 2 | 1 2 _ 3 4 | 3 4 The left side are the ten-numbers the 1 stands for 10, 2 for 20, 3 for 30, for 50 to 90 they use combinations of the left side numbers. The right side are the normal numbers. So 1 stands for 1, 2 for 2,and 5 to 9 are combinations of these. For numbers above 100 they use two plus's. So the number 12 is: * . | . * _ . . | . . Since 1997 they do not use this system any more, now they put chips in the neck of the fjord. > And when you see a two year old Dutch filly with the brands on each hip, > what does that tell you? It is a real fjord, because you get the brands when the parents are known. When the parents are not known they enter the hulp-registry and then the upside-down triangle has the letters "HB" of hulpbook in it. I don't think the fjord will be two then they have two brands, because they get the second when they are three year's old. Roland Thier (I will introduce my self later) (Holland)
Re: Dutch brands
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:33 PM 4/12/98 +0100, you wrote: >This message is from: saskia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Mike May wrote: > >>Just looked. We have 9 dutch registered horses regiastered with us that >>begin with the letter Z. Z was the 1979 letter. We do not have any with >>the letter X. I have an idea that it is skipped though. That would make >>for some really hard to say names. > >This is, in Belgium, the X-year. I'll try to find out if they skipped the >letter or not... >(My Sybren begins with an S because he's Dutch. In Holland, this is the >T-year.) >Don't you have a letter a year? I think it's a nice habit, because you >can tell easily a horses age by its name. Well I guess it is nice to be able to tell the age like that but it sure does make for some strange names sometimes. We do use a letter in our registration numbers to designate the year. I started doing this job when it was an E and now I have gone to L. :-) 1998 is our L year. We use the letter like this for a 98 mare a reg number from say a horse registered in Norway would be like this: N-L-1250-M. The first letter is a breeder code. If the horse was bred by Brian Jacobsen's the registration number would be NFR-L-1250-M (the M at the end is for mare, S for stallion & G for gelding) >Though it can be confusing when you think a horse is called Noesjka (10 >years old) but in fact her full name is Zanoesjka (24 years old). >It would be easy if it would be the same letter everywhere. Or at least >compatible chip-codes. > Yes it would be nice if everyone used the same brands of chips or at least a readable one by all. The NFHR and the Canadian registry do use the same brand by the way. >Saskia from ice-cold and very dark Belgium with full moon. Hey the moon is full here to! Can you imagine that! ;-) Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) http://www.nfhr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 ===
Re: Dutch brands
This message is from: saskia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike May wrote: >Just looked. We have 9 dutch registered horses regiastered with us that >begin with the letter Z. Z was the 1979 letter. We do not have any with >the letter X. I have an idea that it is skipped though. That would make >for some really hard to say names. This is, in Belgium, the X-year. I'll try to find out if they skipped the letter or not... (My Sybren begins with an S because he's Dutch. In Holland, this is the T-year.) Don't you have a letter a year? I think it's a nice habit, because you can tell easily a horses age by its name. Though it can be confusing when you think a horse is called Noesjka (10 years old) but in fact her full name is Zanoesjka (24 years old). It would be easy if it would be the same letter everywhere. Or at least compatible chip-codes. Saskia from ice-cold and very dark Belgium with full moon.
Re: Dutch brands
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:09 AM 4/11/98 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: "the Sessoms'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Does the NFHR have a brand for the Fjords who pass muster at American >evaluations? > >My fjord mare, Dorina, has the Dutch brands on each hip. I understand >that this is done at the two year old evaluation, and that she must have >passed through a grading system at the time. On one side is an >upside-down triangle with a 'D' in it, thus her name starts with a 'D' >and all Fjord foals born in Holland that year are named with a 'D' >name. Dorina was born in 1983, that means Konggard with a 'K' name was >born in 1990, right? Yes you are correct Konggard was born in 1990. >I have heard of several mares with names that >start with 'U', 'V', 'W' and 'Y' but none with 'X' or 'Z'. Is that >because their names just haven't come up in the Herald or on the web, or >because they don't use those letters? > Just looked. We have 9 dutch registered horses regiastered with us that begin with the letter Z. Z was the 1979 letter. We do not have any with the letter X. I have an idea that it is skipped though. That would make for some really hard to say names. >And what is the meaning behind the 'bars-and-dots' brand on the other >side? Is it like the American freeze brand, some sort of code? > The Bars & dots are actually your horses registration number in a code. >And when you see a two year old Dutch filly with the brands on each hip, >what does that tell you? I don't know. Anyone else? === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) http://www.nfhr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 ===
Re: Dutch brands
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 03:16 PM 4/11/98 -0400, you wrote: >This message is from: SSlotness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I think the "Z" is used. A few years ago there was a mix-up with some mares >that were imported. They all had "Z" names. One on them was named Zeitske. The >article appeared in the Fjord Herald. > That was actually a three way mixup. It was with ZIGINA H-Z170 ZIETSKE H-Z49 & ZEERA H-Z137 The mixup was discovered by way of the brands by the way at a Dutch evaluation. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) http://www.nfhr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 ===
Re: Dutch brands
This message is from: SSlotness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think the "Z" is used. A few years ago there was a mix-up with some mares that were imported. They all had "Z" names. One on them was named Zeitske. The article appeared in the Fjord Herald.
Dutch brands
This message is from: "the Sessoms'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does the NFHR have a brand for the Fjords who pass muster at American evaluations? My fjord mare, Dorina, has the Dutch brands on each hip. I understand that this is done at the two year old evaluation, and that she must have passed through a grading system at the time. On one side is an upside-down triangle with a 'D' in it, thus her name starts with a 'D' and all Fjord foals born in Holland that year are named with a 'D' name. Dorina was born in 1983, that means Konggard with a 'K' name was born in 1990, right? I have heard of several mares with names that start with 'U', 'V', 'W' and 'Y' but none with 'X' or 'Z'. Is that because their names just haven't come up in the Herald or on the web, or because they don't use those letters? And what is the meaning behind the 'bars-and-dots' brand on the other side? Is it like the American freeze brand, some sort of code? And when you see a two year old Dutch filly with the brands on each hip, what does that tell you? Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy TN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Dorina - NFR Aagot - - - Fjords - Caper - Carly - Crickett - - - Labradors
