Re: Evaluation questions
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:39 PM 8/16/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mike, everyone, Mike, the email I received gave me the impression due to the wording approval was denied. If this is not the case, This is not the case. Your request was neither approved or denied. then please resubmit our request for the September meeting. It is still on the table as far as I know. If approved, we will then discuss with the members what their desires are concerning conformation/performance, and if absolutely needed, will request financial assistance at the next BOD meeting. Sounds like the right way to go to me. Between phone calls, private emails, and public emails, the information given regarding costs, criteria, age, etc., is not consistent. The costs will NOT be consistent from site to site. That is why each site has to do whatever they can to control costs. The site with the least expense is probably Blue Earth. I think the highest so far was probably the VT one. By the way, does anyone know of a stallion named Glengard? Is he still alive and who is his owner? I had a phone call about him today. Thanks for any help. Yes Glengard's pedigree is as follows: GLENGARD H-G100 H-Z-116-S Foaled May 25, 1986 Bred by BOB Von BON, HOENDERLOO LIDAREN N-1653 ASTRIX N-1822 H-I39 LIV N-13762 BJORGARD H-B180 WESTMAN H-I02 SUNNGARD H-S04 HELEENTJE H-H97 OYGARD N-1300 D-140 OOIGAARD DAMGAARD H-I01 LADY DAMGARD D-1503 HANNY H-H115 TRANUM HEID D-282 E52 HENNY H-I747 TULLE D-2758 He died on 8/2/1994. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evaluation questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mike, everyone, Mike, the email I received gave me the impression due to the wording approval was denied. If this is not the case, then please resubmit our request for the September meeting. If approved, we will then discuss with the members what their desires are concerning conformation/performance, and if absolutely needed, will request financial assistance at the next BOD meeting. Between phone calls, private emails, and public emails, the information given regarding costs, criteria, age, etc., is not consistent. This is what is annoying me and I feel it is causing too much unneeded stress. We will cross those bridges after we receive approval for an evaluation, I suppose. As for my comments concerning politicspolitics are human nature, I am afraid. Considering all the varying information we have been receiving, that will always be the first thought to pop in our heads, for we are human too. :) By the way, does anyone know of a stallion named Glengard? Is he still alive and who is his owner? I had a phone call about him today. Thanks for any help. Sincerely, Lynda Daniel Bailey and Lynda C. Welch-Bailey Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI
Re: Evaluation questions
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:39 PM 8/13/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mike, everyone, As was suggested, we applied for approval to hold an eval, but were not given approval for two reasons. One is the simple fact there are not enough evaluators to have an evaluation, and the second reason was because we requested financial assistance to host our first evaluation. Actually neither of these reasons were given. You proposal for an evaluation in 2000 did not get to the voting stage as of yet. It was decided to try and settle the lack of evaluators first and then discuss it. Your request for financial support was not even discussed. Your proposal was not on the agenda as it was received to late to be on it. However it was brought up and discussed. According to figures I was given, the Vermont eval cost over $6000. IF our club and other members were able to enter 25 horses, and using that $6000 figure as a rough estimate, that comes to $240 per horse plus stabling, travel, hotel, food, etc. Those figures included the stabling costs and I think they included the meals that were served. The meals were paid for by the participants they were actually a source of income I believe. So the numbers are not really what they might seem. That was the total expense. Another SERIOUS glitch for us is the fact many people want their young horses evaluated to decide on stallion potential, mare breeding potential, show potential, etc. I was told it probably is not a good idea to have horses under 4 evaluated as the evaluators will not write too much but still growing on the eval sheet! Actually I just looked at the sheets from the Blue Earth 98 eval. The under 3 horses were given scores just like all the rest of them were. There were comments on some of them that said something to the effect of High in rear quarters - Due to age? Some of the yearlings actually got blue ribbons. I do not have enough stabling for 25 or more horses. What I DO have, however, is extra pens, rings, even possibly portable rings. I was trying to figure out some way of making the eval cheaper for the participants, and stabling put a hitch into that idea! Maybe one of our members has that sort of facility. Well the last time I was at Libby (1994) they used portable stalls that were setup outside. Blue Earth also uses portable stalls but they are inside of a barn. I don't think using portables would be a real big problem. If you were going to do so I would let it be know in your mailing that it was going to be the case. My comments concerning the Fjord clubs becoming affiliated the the NFHR for evaluation purposes came from this thought. It would provide five consistent and yearly evaluations along with five Fjord shows. This is something that the various clubs would have to address. ces upon people. I must say, on a personal note, I find this entire evaluation discussion very disheatening. I love this breed, and would like to see such a program incorporated on a regular and consistent basis. As to having them on a regular basis I think it will eventually come to this. We have to crawl before we walk though. What if we had them every year and the third year we only have say 10 horses show up? The expenses are about the same. The income just wouldn't be there to support it though. The evaluation process was a leading factor favoring the NFHR over all other registries when we decided which registry to go with for our horses. I am very shocked and dismayed at the obvious politics involved within this particular aspect, and while I know this will be denied, I am convinced politics does play a strong role in the evaluation process. Please give some examples if you have any. I really don't see much in the line of politics in the system. The Board the Eval committee have tried very hard to keep them out. We have heard from various people the desire to hold evaluations close to their area. Surely, between all of us, we can resolve this hurdle. However, I must admit from a personal opinion, I am ready to wash my hands of the entire subject, and begin hiring judges to evaluate my stock versus going through this fighting. I didn't know we were fighting. I thought we were discussing the possibility of having an Evaluation in MI next year. Lets resolve one issue at a time here Lynda. This whole program is still a Work in Progress. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evaluation questions
This message is from: B. Hendricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Lynda: Your post answered some of my questions. Thanks. Bonnie International Encyclopedia Of Horse Breeds http://www.hendricksgallery.com http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Evaluation questions This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mike, everyone, Steve, by the way, I think an evaluation in that area is a great idea! Would certainly cover those states which are very far from other possible evaluations. I feel the need to seriously address some issues brought up on this email
Re: Evaluation questions
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:39 PM 8/13/99 -0400, you wrote: Hello Mike, everyone, I will answer the rest of your post on Monday. I am getting ready to leave for the weekend right now. But I did find what the VT Evaluation fees were. Here they are: Entry Fees: Test Fee: Conformation Evaluation 3 yrs $45.00 Conformation Evaluation 3 yrs $60.00 Introductory Performance Tests $55.00 Advanced Performance Tests $55.00 NFHR Processing Fee (One fee per horse) $10.00 Stabling Fees: Stall Fee (Per night) $25.00 Stall Cleaning Deposit (Separate Check - To Be Returned) $20.00 = NOTE: The above NFHR processing fee has been eliminated since the VT Evaluation. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evaluation questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mike, everyone, Steve, by the way, I think an evaluation in that area is a great idea! Would certainly cover those states which are very far from other possible evaluations. I feel the need to seriously address some issues brought up on this email list over the last few days concerning evaluations. As Mike and I have discussed, Bernie and I feel the need for an evaluation for the members of the Great Lakes Fjordhest, and other interested Fjord people. Many of our members have contacted me requesting an evaluation, and through these conversations, I have heard some of the comments which I have shared on this list. For example, expensive entries, evaluations being held too far away, not enough evaluations, etc. As was suggested, we applied for approval to hold an eval, but were not given approval for two reasons. One is the simple fact there are not enough evaluators to have an evaluation, and the second reason was because we requested financial assistance to host our first evaluation. According to figures I was given, the Vermont eval cost over $6000. IF our club and other members were able to enter 25 horses, and using that $6000 figure as a rough estimate, that comes to $240 per horse plus stabling, travel, hotel, food, etc. For some people whom I have spoken with, the fee is too high, hence our request of financial assistance. Once we receive actual approval for an evaluation, we will then begin the process of preparing a budget, again submitting a request for financial assistance. Another SERIOUS glitch for us is the fact many people want their young horses evaluated to decide on stallion potential, mare breeding potential, show potential, etc. I was told it probably is not a good idea to have horses under 4 evaluated as the evaluators will not write too much but still growing on the eval sheet! I believe everyone will agree $240 is a bit expensive to hear that! Why do not our evaluators do more than this for the young horses? The video from Norway (thank you Ursula and Brian) showed those evaluators grading 1,2, and 3 year olds. I would think this is of utmost importance especially concerning stallion potential. What I see happening here is without consistent evals evaluating young stock, the stallion potential is left completely to the breeder. Some seem to geld across the board, while others sell all males as potentials. As for the previous comments concerning cost and stabling, I need to make it very clear all of us, members and non-members alike, know full well how expensive horses are to keep. We were trying to make the point that evaluations should be more affordable simply due to their very importance to our breed, and essentially, we all pay dues to incorporate said evaluations. As for the idea of using trailers for stabling, I would never dream of doing such a thing. As we discussed, Mike, I have the riding arena (being built) which would work for all but one of the classes. I do not have enough stabling for 25 or more horses. What I DO have, however, is extra pens, rings, even possibly portable rings. I was trying to figure out some way of making the eval cheaper for the participants, and stabling put a hitch into that idea! Maybe one of our members has that sort of facility. My comments concerning the Fjord clubs becoming affiliated the the NFHR for evaluation purposes came from this thought. It would provide five consistent and yearly evaluations along with five Fjord shows. I realize more than it appears the potential work involved getting shows and evaluations off the ground. I certainly know everyone has jobs, families, and horses to care for. They are not alone, I have the same! As I am an author, my job is home-based, thank goodness, but it still takes a great deal of time. I also have a family, including a two year old, and a farm. I understand all too well the stress this volunteer work places upon people. I must say, on a personal note, I find this entire evaluation discussion very disheatening. I love this breed, and would like to see such a program incorporated on a regular and consistent basis. The evaluation process was a leading factor favoring the NFHR over all other registries when we decided which registry to go with for our horses. I am very shocked and dismayed at the obvious politics involved within this particular aspect, and while I know this will be denied, I am convinced politics does play a strong role in the evaluation process. We have heard from various people the desire to hold evaluations close to their area. Surely, between all of us, we can resolve this hurdle. However, I must admit from a personal opinion, I am ready to wash my hands of the entire subject, and begin hiring judges to evaluate my stock versus going through this fighting. Sincerely, Lynda Daniel Bailey and Lynda C. Welch-Bailey Bailey's Norwegian
Re: Evaluation questions
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:38 AM 8/12/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list! I am not attempting to stir the pot, but I must admit I am very confused concerning the NFHR evaluation process. I am hoping you all can enlighten me a bit. :) Well maybe not with a real BIG stick but stirring none the less. ;-) Actually I think it is time for some stirring though. All of us seem to wish more evaluations. We all seem to understand the need behind these evaluations. What I fail to understand is why are they so difficult to have on both a regular and regional basis. It appears we are lacking evaluators. Why is that? I am afraid it is because we still don't have an approved Evaluator training program in place. The Evaluation Committee has been working on this for some time now. It is one of the unfortunate parts of having to have volunteers do this sort of thing for us. All of these people have other lives besides this committee. They all have horses to take care of, they all have jobs to do. They are all very busy people just as all of the rest of us are. I do think that MAJOR advances were made last night on the NFHR BOD conference call in this area. I think you will see things start to move again very soon. I can't tell you what is being done here until some contacts are made but I don't expect the lack of Evaluators problem to exist much longer. What I see as a major national flaw here is without continual and also, regionally rotating evaluations, it is next to impossible to even come close to matching the breed standards set up by the NFHR. The only way we can have regular Evaluations is if we get the people in the various regions to run them. It is not a small task believe me. Just ask any of the previous coordinators how much work it is. Isn't this the actual bottom line of the NFHR, good breeding techniques, bloodlines, movement, conformation, temperment, and type? I would like to think so, along with Genetic Purity. My next question has to do with cost. Why on earth are evaluation entries so expensive? The entry fees are based on the expenses of the evaluation. If you are lucky enough to have a place to have one that doesn't cost an arm a leg then the per horse fees can be less. The expenses need to be covered mostly by the entry fees. I understand the evaluator fees, expenses, ground requirements, etc., but since these are evaluations which must adhere to NFHR rules, essentially forcing the host of said evaluation to also adhere to these same rules, why cannot the NFHR set aside a percentage of membership dues per year specifically for evaluation costs? Well think about it. I know it benefits everyone somewhat but does the owner of 1 or 2 geldings want part of their membership fee going to evaluate your horse? I don't really know the answer here. Maybe they don't mind. I don't think the question has ever been asked. By the way a portion of your membership fee already does go to the evaluation program. There has been a lot of money spent on the development of the program. All of that money came from the membership registration/transfer fees. I am NOT saying the evaluation entries should be free by any means, but I do believe they should be more affordable so people would be more inclined to enter more horses and also, more classes. Well what ideas do you have to make them more affordable? Yes the NFHR has setup the rules to have one but what would you change if you were in the drivers seat? I have heard more times than I can count statements such as, There are never evaluations in my area. There are not enough evaluations. I would enter more horses and classes if the entries were not so expensive. I have been waiting to have my horse/s evaluated, but there has not been any evaluations. I have heard these questions a lot more than anyone can imagine I am sure. My answer is usually of course the one they don't want to hear though - and that is: Well why don't you organize one in your area? So far not to many people have said Oh that's a great idea, where do I start? I would really appreciate any input. Hopefully this has helped or at least answered some questions for you. Also, I would like to seriously discuss the cost of these evaluations. Discuss away. How would you propose to reduce them? Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evaluation questions
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:18 AM 12/3/98 +, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anton Voorhoeve wrote: Mike May told me that the 22 Fjords evaluated by Bob van Bon at our camp in May this year is not acceptable to the NFHR because (1)the evaluation was not sanctioned by the NFHR (I didn't know much about it then) and (2) the evaluation took place on our property. Is prohibition number 2 above, cast in stone? The only Keuring (sp?) I've ever attended was held in Massachusetts some years ago on the property of a well-know local breeder, and it seemed to go off very well, with no evidence of favoritism. It would seem that the availability of an appropriate and free site for evaluations would help reduce the cost. I can understand that there may be reluctance based on the fact that the host's animals would be at home, and would not have had to be trailered, but what else is at the base of this? I don't think anything is ever cast in stone. I only told Anton what the rule was. In fact the rule for not having evaluations on farms is also going to change the way it looks for the American evaluation too. If I were Anton I would write a letter to the BOD and see what they say. Like I have said before these decisions are not mine to make. This particular one was not made by the present BOD either. It wouldn't hurt to give it a try and see what happens. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evaluation questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anton Voorhoeve wrote: Mike May told me that the 22 Fjords evaluated by Bob van Bon at our camp in May this year is not acceptable to the NFHR because (1)the evaluation was not sanctioned by the NFHR (I didn't know much about it then) and (2) the evaluation took place on our property. Is prohibition number 2 above, cast in stone? The only Keuring (sp?) I've ever attended was held in Massachusetts some years ago on the property of a well-know local breeder, and it seemed to go off very well, with no evidence of favoritism. It would seem that the availability of an appropriate and free site for evaluations would help reduce the cost. I can understand that there may be reluctance based on the fact that the host's animals would be at home, and would not have had to be trailered, but what else is at the base of this? I would like to see more opportunities for stock evaluation, but very likely will not be able or willing to move any significant number of animals long distances to get to one. If the consensus is that we should be doing more evaluation of breeding stock, doesn't it make sense that we should have as many sites available, and as many evaluation opportunbities as possible? On the subject of Breeder-Evaluators, I recall our experience when we were actively showing dairy goats. Understanding that an evaluation and a show are different things in the horse world, dairy goats shows are less about performance than they are about conformational correctness and conformity to an ideal breed (dairy) type. At the time, MOST of the judges were also well-known and successful breeders. Unfortunately, depending on the particular view of the judge, we have had the same animals stand at the top of the class, or at the bottom. This was because each judge, while referring to the same standards, apparently had different ways of viewing spring of rib, levelness of top line and rump, etc. Not suprisingly, this view often appeared to be derived from the conformation of animals in the breeder's particular herd. Based on this experience, I would personnaly prefer a well trained evaluator that was not a breeder, so that even the perception of breeder's bias would not be a problem. My $.02
Re: Evaluation questions
This message is from: Anton Voorhoeve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike May told me that the 22 Fjords evaluated by Bob van Bon at our camp in May this year is not acceptable to the NFHR because (1)the evaluation was not sanctioned by the NFHR (I didn't know much about it then) and (2) the evaluation took place on our property. Nevertheless, they have official Dutch evaluation status by possibly the best Fjord judge in the world. So, they are not included in the 1.7% By the way, one of our Geldings with three Purdy mares managed to score 40 points, one of the highest ever including Dutch Fjords, he also scored very high in the riding and farm use evaluations, too bad he was gelded. Anton Voorhoeve
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This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:22 AM 12/2/98 -0800, you wrote: I've been following the yelling and screaming (if I may) that has been going on of late over Evaluations - how to do them, who should judge, are they important, etc., etc.It seems to me that if Evaluations are as important to the preservation of the breed as all this would lead one to believe, then the number 10.2% of all horses currently registered (and living) have been evaluated is a pretty sorry average. If it is this important then we better get on with it, or forget about it. It's time to put the money where the mouth is. Or maybe we should deduce that, since nearly 90% if the NFHR registered horses are not evaluated, and I assume most have been used for breeding, maybe it doesn't matter to most people. Where does that leave us? More education of the Fjord-owning public? More restrictions on which horses can be bred? Where do we go from here, if Evaluations truly are important to the breed? I for one have seen some mighty fine examples of Fjordhorses come from truly beautiful parents, with or without premies, and also some truly horrible examples of Fjords come from premie parents who were matched unwisely. It still is all in what you do in the breeding shed. Some people leave their brains outside in the feedlot when they go through that door, others spend weeks deciding which mare to put to which stud - always aiming at perfection. Well this is exactly why I don't like giving out these kind of numbers. People only read the numbers. You didn't notice the part that said the numbers included non breeding animals - geldings mares that have never foaled. There are a lot of stallions registered that have never been bred too. Most of them probably are geldings but the owners haven't sent in a Change of Status form for them. You didn't notice or remember the first message I left with the 1.7% number. I said that it was how many horses had received medallions of quality. Not how many had been evaluated. Many more have been evaluated for conformation only. To get the medallion they have to also get at least a red ribbon in a performance test as well as a red or higher in conformation. I don't have the data available (short of pulling out files and counting pieces of paper) to tell you how many have been evaluated. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] - There are a number of imported and US and Canadian bred horses that have gone through European Evaluations and have been awarded ster,model, prestatie etc., status as well as those who have participated in American Evaluations. These horses shouldn't be overlooked. It wasn't clear wether or not they fell into the 1.7% Vivian Creigh No I am afraid I only looked at the American Evaluations. If I look at any horse that has a prize listed after its name then it is 10.2% of them. This 10% includes horses that were imported already evaluated so they were not all done in the US but most were. Mike I've been following the yelling and screaming (if I may) that has been going on of late over Evaluations - how to do them, who should judge, are they important, etc., etc.It seems to me that if Evaluations are as important to the preservation of the breed as all this would lead one to believe, then the number 10.2% of all horses currently registered (and living) have been evaluated is a pretty sorry average. If it is this important then we better get on with it, Mary, I feel evaluations and the process are more like our school system. Some of us make High School, Some college and luckier ones go on for higher honors. Certainly the majority are below college level. In the warm blood market, evaluations seem primarily attractive for the breeders or owners who want brands and status to move their horses up in value. Even there in the evaluations, only a very limited few make to premium and a few more into the main listing. If you want to join the higher society you can try. Most wont be bothered. Jean Gayle Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
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This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary Thurman wrote: I've been following the yelling and screaming (if I may) that has been going on of late over Evaluations - how to do them, who should judge, are they important, etc., etc.It seems to me that if Evaluations are as important to the preservation of the breed as all this would lead one to believe, then the number 10.2% of all horses currently registered (and living) have been evaluated is a pretty sorry average. If it is this important then we better get on with it, or forget about it. It's time to put the money where the mouth is. I think a more informative statistic for this discussion would be percent of stallions and percent of mares who have been evaluated, rather than the percent of the total population. Also, Mike said he looked for all horses that had a prize after their name. Is it possible that some horses have been evaluated and scored so poorly that they would still have nothing after their name? Just wondering... Lori Albrough Bluebird Lane Fjords Moorefield, Ontario, Canada
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] - There are a number of imported and US and Canadian bred horses that have gone through European Evaluations and have been awarded ster,model, prestatie etc., status as well as those who have participated in American Evaluations. These horses shouldn't be overlooked. It wasn't clear wether or not they fell into the 1.7% Vivian Creigh No I am afraid I only looked at the American Evaluations. If I look at any horse that has a prize listed after its name then it is 10.2% of them. This 10% includes horses that were imported already evaluated so they were not all done in the US but most were. Mike I've been following the yelling and screaming (if I may) that has been going on of late over Evaluations - how to do them, who should judge, are they important, etc., etc.It seems to me that if Evaluations are as important to the preservation of the breed as all this would lead one to believe, then the number 10.2% of all horses currently registered (and living) have been evaluated is a pretty sorry average. If it is this important then we better get on with it, or forget about it. It's time to put the money where the mouth is. Or maybe we should deduce that, since nearly 90% if the NFHR registered horses are not evaluated, and I assume most have been used for breeding, maybe it doesn't matter to most people. Where does that leave us? More education of the Fjord-owning public? More restrictions on which horses can be bred? Where do we go from here, if Evaluations truly are important to the breed? I for one have seen some mighty fine examples of Fjordhorses come from truly beautiful parents, with or without premies, and also some truly horrible examples of Fjords come from premie parents who were matched unwisely. It still is all in what you do in the breeding shed. Some people leave their brains outside in the feedlot when they go through that door, others spend weeks deciding which mare to put to which stud - always aiming at perfection. == Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:24 AM 12/2/98 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are a number of imported and US and Canadian bred horses that have gone through European Evaluations and have been awarded ster,model, prestatie etc., status as well as those who have participated in American Evaluations. These horses shouldn't be overlooked. It wasn't clear wether or not they fell into the 1.7% Vivian Creigh No I am afraid I only looked at the American Evaluations. If I look at any horse that has a prize listed after its name then it is 10.2% of them. This 10% includes horses that were imported already evaluated so they were not all done in the US but most were. Mike == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are a number of imported and US and Canadian bred horses that have gone through European Evaluations and have been awarded ster,model, prestatie etc., status as well as those who have participated in American Evaluations. These horses shouldn't be overlooked. It wasn't clear wether or not they fell into the 1.7% Vivian Creigh
Re: Evaluation questions
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:37 AM 12/1/98 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Jon A. Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello to all on the list: With all the discussion lately with regards to evaluations, etc. I have some questions that maybe some of you could answer. First of all, does anyone know what percentage of our horses that have been evaluated? Well I can't really tell you how many have been evaluated without doing some research. I can tell you that only 39 horses have been awarded medallions of quality though. That comes out to 1.7% of the living horses. I did include geldings though even though they are not breeding animals. Also, what of the breeders who refuse to have their stock evaluated? I realize most of you breeders out there are conscientious and definitely have a concern for the quality of the stock that you breed, but some breeders don't. Will they continue to breed inferior quality stock and sell it to the unsuspecting public as quality stock? Do we just ignore those breeders that do this and hope they will eventually get out of the breeding business? Do we try and educate them about the importance of having their stock evaluated? I personally know of a breeder that refuses to have their stock evaluated. Claims they don't believe in it. Doesn't want to spend the money to have someone tell them they don't like their horses. A bad attitude, I agree, but it does exist. At what point do you not breed your stock? For example, if your horse scores below a 75 on the evaluation do you not consider it breeding stock? If anyone could answer these questions for me, I'd appreciate it. I can't answer the rest of your questions but I do think they are some very good questions. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
