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This message is from: John D. Herr [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can try a product called Clean Trax. Clean Trax is mixed with water and the leg is soaked. For more details see www.equinepodiatry.net and look on their product page. They also have the soaking boots. I know KC and he knows and cares about the health of the horses hoof. Good Luck. Starrborough Farm, Pa.
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This message is from: David Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you tried something like Coppertox or Dr. Naylor's Hoof-N-Heal? Copper Sulfate does a great job of killing the offending bacteria. I have also used a product called Matatox on my sheep. It's similar to Coppertox in that it contains copper sulfate, but it is more effective than a pour-on because it is in a vaseline-like base. I have never been faced with foot problems in my Fjords (knock on wood) and have never tried it on them, but it truly works wonders for sheep. Here's a link to a supplier in Iowa: http://www.premier1supplies.com/store/prod_display.html?prod_id=79pcat_id=1cat_id=7 I suggest buying a few jars of the stuff and liberally applying some all over the frog and elsewhere on the underside of the hoof every other day or so. If the bacteria that causes thrush is anything like the bacteria that cause foot rot or foot scald in sheep, then you also need to keep your horse off pasture for about two weeks. The sheep folks at the UW-Madison have said that the bacteria that causes foot rot (and I suspect it is very similar to the thrush bacteria) are anaerobic. They can survive in the ground for two weeks without a host, but will die after that due to exposure to oxygen. To get rid of the bacteria the pasture needs to be left empty for at least two weeks. Otherwise, you might clear up the infection through treatment only to have the animal pick up the bacteria again in the pasture and the cycle starts all over again. Good luck! David Hagen At 12:35 PM 10/29/2004 -0500, Warren Stockwell wrote: This message is from: Warren Stockwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been fighting this thrush all summer and haven't been getting it to GO AWAY! I have been using bleach and had seen some improvement so kept up the good work. I am concerned that with the winter coming that I am going to have even more trouble if I can't get it gone. Anyone have a favorite treatment for this stuff. Junior's frog is almost gone in one foot but the others seem to be getting better. Any suggestions?? Roberta New Prague MN 71 here and snow expected Monday This weather is skrewie!
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's also a product on the market called Clean Trax (Tracks) it's advertised in Equus, Practical Horseman etc.. Frodo had thrush several years ago that no matter what I tried ( Thrushbuster, Formaldhyde etc.) it would not go away. So one of my volunteers ordered the Clean Trax stuff and it worked in one application. Robyn in MD
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/29/2004 5:19:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You mix the betadine into the white sugar until you get a thick syrup like honey or molasses. When you paint it on, it stays active longer than plain betadine. The high sugar content inhibits bacteria and fungus growth It is interesting what you are saying about the use of white sugar and its use to prevent bacteria and fungus growth. I have a rescue keeshond here (I do keeshond rescue) and she came to me with cruciate ligament repair surgery and they put a plate in her leg, and she had gotten an infection. I have been having to change bandages and keep her from licking the wound, but I was told to pour white sugar into the sore and I have been doing that and sure enough, - no more infection and the wound as closed almost all the way. I had her in to the vet today to be checked and was told to keep putting sugar in the wound and keep it wrapped the best I can. She is definitely responding to this treatment and I had never heard about it before. Thanks for sharing. Rondi Tyler. So. Calif.
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This message is from: shawna smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was told to pour white sugar into the sore and I have been doing that and sure enough, - no more infection Rondi Tyler. So. Calif. My dad is a beekeeper and we put honey on any cold sores or canker sores. Also have used it, with great success, on persistent rashes and even diaper rash. A little messy but washes off easily with water. Shawna in OR www.caseacres.comhttp://www.caseacres.com/
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This message is from: GD [EMAIL PROTECTED] You mix the betadine into the white sugar until you get a thick syrup like honey or molasses. When you paint it on, it stays active longer than plain betadine. The high sugar content inhibits bacteria and fungus growth. You know how you never have to refrigerate honey. I think it may also have some fluid drawing capabilities. It also diltes the betadine so you don't damage the live frog tissue like you can with straight betadine. My farrier had me use it on a hoof that had to have part of the wall removed to resolve an abscess. I put it in the defect with a tongue depressor and covered with vet wrap which helped it dry on there. I know thrush needs air so I think you wouldn't wrap it. Genie in Ann Arbor, MI This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I lived in Nevada we had to deal with thrush occasionally, and the only thing I ever used was Betadine. It worked quite well. I'm not sure what the addition of white sugar to it would do, because the Betadine by itself did the trick. Sara K. Murrieta, CA
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I lived in Nevada we had to deal with thrush occasionally, and the only thing I ever used was Betadine. It worked quite well. I'm not sure what the addition of white sugar to it would do, because the Betadine by itself did the trick. Sara K. Murrieta, CA
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When I lived in Nevada we had to deal with thrush occasionally, and the only thing I ever used was Betadine. It worked quite well. I'm not sure what the addition of white sugar to it would do, because the Betadine by itself did the trick. Sara K. Murrieta, CA
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Elaine, one good thing about chlorine is how it dissipates so quickly. The hens are locked out of the coop for four or five hours at which time there is no odor. As you know with tropical fish and chlorinated water, you let the water sit for at least an hour before adding to the fish tank. I quite agree that it can be dangerous if used full strength and not aired. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:23 22/9/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regarding treatments for thrush: Because of our generally wet climate - wetter still in the winter - thrush can be a problem if the horses never have a chance to let their feet get dry. (cut) In the winter when our ground is very wet all the time, I use the 10% bleach on their hooves at night about once a week to kill whatever might be lurking there. The added advantage of bleach is that it tends to dry the hoof out some - notice what happens to your hands if you use it without gloves! I keep a bottle of 10% solution mixed up in a sport bottle (well-marked, of course) so all I have to do is pop the top up and squeeze. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com Mary: I do a very similar process but I use a 50% solution in an old spray bottle. This gives an adjustable spray or stream. My farrier has even taken to using this. Richard ** Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 156 Sarty Rd RR1 Barss Corners, NS1-902-644-3288 CA B0R 1A0 **
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, You might be killing the fleas in your dog house, but you might be hurting your dog, too. The fumes from Clorox can burn lungs, eyes and skin. If I use it in my laundry and there is an animal or bird,( which are very sensitive to chemicals) in the room, I open the window for ventilation. I've heard my dog sneezing from Clorox even in it's diluted in the washing machine. I'm not trying to criticize, but as an animal lover, thought I'd mention it. Elaine Olsen
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This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] dear mary t., good thrush prevention ideas. my trainer does the same thing and has never had a case in over thirty years of keeping horses. copper-tox works well too, but is a lot more expensive then regular 79 cent bleach. denise in no-cal.
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] My big Charley picked up a fungus on his pastern and lower leg when he was first broken. There were heavy crusty scabs that could be pealed off. I fussed with it for years.. One day I was using coppertox on his frogs and decided, must have been desperation, to pour some on the bad pastern. It resulted in a kick that broke my thumb That left the fungus alone for awhile until someone told me about Clorox. I used it carefully on his leg and the frog for three days and it has almost got the thing. I use it now about once a month and maybe it is getting to a maintaining stage but it is hardly noticeable. No more broken thumbs either. I also spray my dog houses and chicken coop with a clorox strong solution to kill fleas, mites etc. So I agree Mary. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/22/99 8:26:07 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For more advanced cases - but not full-blown thrush - we use the bleach full strength. Wear gloves in this case and don't let it get on your pants leg - unless you enjoy the spotted look to your jeans. Yep. For the minor cases of thrush that I've had to deal with, we've used successfully a 50% bleach solution. And I have the spotted pants to prove it! I haven't had to deal with it yet with my fjords or quarter horse, but on the odd occasion my arabs and tb would get mild cases. Pamela
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This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since my husband took a farrier class and started trimming and shoeing our horses, I have learned that the frog sheds regularly. I guess I never really noticed before because the farrier always trimmed away the parts that were sloughing. We get an occassional case of thrush in the spring when it is very wet here. Our Fjord seems particularly prone. We use 'thrush-X' mostly. But I never heard that cleaning the deep grooves along the frog caused the problem or worsened it.? Martie and Kilar in wet drippy MD, picking up after Floyd (where did that drought go so fast?)
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This message is from: Starfire Farm, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Merek, Because of all of the wet, rainy days we had this summer (sorry everyone who was in drought) we had one horse develop a bad case of thrush also. A complete surprise to us, with similar circumstances. The affected hoof was treated twice per day, for three weeks, with a prepared formula called Jim Rickens hoof treatment (three times per day would have been better) and we did our best to keep the hoof dry. The hoof has now completely healed, and new tissue is growing back. No more signs of soreness. Checked all of the other horses and all were okay, but we treated everyone anyway. My shoer recommeded, and swears by, a product called Thrush Buster. Not cheap, but it does the job better than the other preparations. Wear gloves! Beth -- Beth Beymer Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO www.starfirefarm.com
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was appalled a couple years ago to find a frog detaching. He talked to his trainer and farrier who both put his mind at ease and said she'd be fine. And grow a new one. Apparently it's not that uncommon for this to happen? On our Fjords this occurs about twice a year - when they shed their hair coats, they also shed the top layer of their frogs. It does look like the whole frog is coming off, but actually it isn't - there is still tissue between the inner hoof structures and the outside world! As I remember, all of the horses I've ever had have done this at least once a year (usually in the spring) and most of them do it to some degree twice a year. I've also noticed that my heavier maned Fjords also shed mane and tail hair in the spring and grow heavy manes and tails with their heavy winter coats. Mary === Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/20/99 8:26:53 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pam re loss of frog I understand they shed the frog every year anyway?? Yes. That's what they said. But I've never noticed it with the fjords, just with Merry Gold, our quarter horse. Pamela
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pam re loss of frog I understand they shed the frog every year anyway?? Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Merek, I have been told thrush is like athletes foot. I have Koppertox in the barn, garage and arena, but it is very old. I had one horse with thrush and after several applications and dry weather we never had it again. I do not ride often so the feet are cleaned out mostly by the ferrier. No thrush. Not to worry. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/19/99 20:59:44 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone out there have a similar experience, and what sort of end result did you get, satisfactory and sound, or continuing problems or worse? Merek This will sound odd, but we've got a quarter horse mare. Was supposed to be my husband's but recently she became mine, and he is now riding one of the fjord mares (long story). He was appalled a couple years ago to find a frog detaching. He talked to his trainer and farrier who both put his mind at ease and said she'd be fine. And grow a new one. Apparently it's not that uncommon for this to happen? She doesn't have/hasn't had thrush since we got her. So, listen to the advice of your farrier and vet, but I'm not worried about my new quarter horse's occasional loss of a frog, though I wonder why it happened. Pamela
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, here's a new experience for me. Just got the word from Doc that my horse has a nasty case of thrush. This is a new one for me, as I have yet to have a horse that developed this. Seems I was picking out his feet with the usual rather pointed hoofpick I use, on the idea that it is better to get to the bottom of the frog grooves. Suddenly I pulled off a piece of frog and had a dripping wound. I took him over to the vet's, as I had him on the trailer anyway for a party, and he said the frog was somewhat contracted and I had been damaging it by digging the grooves deeper and deeper with the pick. From what he said, the contracted part is not going to lead to future lameness or worse, but may predispose him to this sort of thing if I am not careful. At this point, when I was putting the medication in, my finger actually went UNDER the frog with the cotton ball, as if the whole frog is detatching and coming off. A call to Doc indicatred this may well occur, and he will have to regrow a new frog. Needless to say, this has caused me some severe stress and concern, as I am NOT looking forward to the job of hunting for a new horse to replace him if this doesn't work out. Anyone out there have a similar experience, and what sort of end result did you get, satisfactory and sound, or continuing problems or worse? Merek
