Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
I disagree, Arp and Cairngorm are architectural frameworks. Flex is an application framework. From what I understand Rails is primarily an application framework with some architectural elements as well. So I would say... Rails is to Ruby as Flex ( + optinally Arp or Caringorm) is to Flash. -Steve * -- Nick Weekes Wrote...* Rails is to Ruby what ARP and Cairngorm are to Actionscript. Nick ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Looking at the amount of reactions and my own personal questions, I think this is a very wanted subject by developers. The funny thing is, that I think there are already lots of different os frameworks which are useable in projects and a developers life easier. It seems they are just not well known enough or lack in documentation on how it can help people. I also think that there are lot's of projects that help in separate subjects. E.g. ARP/ASWING/ACTIONSTEP etc. It might help if people can see how these frameworks can work together. My 2 cents. Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ujjwal Kabra Sent: donderdag 20 juli 2006 22:02 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework After nearly two years of working in ActionScript, my company decided that Flash development was too painful and just not worth the effort. This happened just about the time that I was actually getting the hang of things. In any case, I was the last Flash(AS2) Developer left here... I'm in full support for building an app-development framework around Flash/AS2 and/or AS3, which would make life easier for AS2 devs like me, and make the decision to chose Flash as a development platform easier for a mid-sized team than it currently is. While I have little(none actually) idea about Ruby and Rails, I'll read up soon... I would love to get started before my Flash skills actually get rusted away. - Ujjwal PS: Is there a troll feature on mailing lists? On 7/21/06, Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, Rails and Flex work very well together. Maybe you should consider following that career path - a Flex/Rails developer. Jesse Warden has gone that way and loves it. http://www.recentrambles.com/pragmatic/view/31 BLITZ | Steven Sacks - 310-551-0200 x209 ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Another issue with developing a Rails or Cake type of framework for Flash is the rate at which Flash changes undermines the effort. PHP, Java, Ruby - these languages get upgrades, improvements and bug fixes over the years, but for the most part, don't change that much, and get a lot of additional functionality from new libraries. Actionscript, on the other hand, has significant changes much more rapidly. Flash 7 brought about a whole new syntax (AS2), and Flash 9 is doing it again (AS3). In addition, Flash is a visual tool and the code is inherently tied to the visual library. Those other languages reside almost entirely in the non-visual realm, and use a different technology, HTML, to display their content to users (Java applications aside - we're talking about web delivery here). ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
I use ActionStep with ARP regularly. They're complimentary. In fact, I have the ARP commands set up so they can be marked as being undoable, syncing right in with ActionStep's undomanager and menuing system. Scott On 21/07/06, Ben Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the amount of reactions and my own personal questions, I think this is a very wanted subject by developers. The funny thing is, that I think there are already lots of different os frameworks which are useable in projects and a developers life easier. It seems they are just not well known enough or lack in documentation on how it can help people. I also think that there are lot's of projects that help in separate subjects. E.g. ARP/ASWING/ACTIONSTEP etc. It might help if people can see how these frameworks can work together. My 2 cents. Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ujjwal Kabra Sent: donderdag 20 juli 2006 22:02 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework After nearly two years of working in ActionScript, my company decided that Flash development was too painful and just not worth the effort. This happened just about the time that I was actually getting the hang of things. In any case, I was the last Flash(AS2) Developer left here... I'm in full support for building an app-development framework around Flash/AS2 and/or AS3, which would make life easier for AS2 devs like me, and make the decision to chose Flash as a development platform easier for a mid-sized team than it currently is. While I have little(none actually) idea about Ruby and Rails, I'll read up soon... I would love to get started before my Flash skills actually get rusted away. - Ujjwal PS: Is there a troll feature on mailing lists? On 7/21/06, Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, Rails and Flex work very well together. Maybe you should consider following that career path - a Flex/Rails developer. Jesse Warden has gone that way and loves it. http://www.recentrambles.com/pragmatic/view/31 BLITZ | Steven Sacks - 310-551-0200 x209 ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
I started this thread for a simple reason, love or loath Ruby what has been developed here has enabled several of my clients to deploy excellent web applications with a significantly reduced investment of time with no aparent compromise on functionality. I think thats great. I wish the same could be done for AS. I feel that making the job of the Flash/Flex developer as easy as posible will enable us all to concentrate on the parts of our applications which are unique and require special attention. It is very easy to make use of Ruby on Rails. it took me just a few hours to get an application runinng with it with no prior knowledge. I am looking at ARP and Carngorm at the moment and they are not proving easy to use and I am a highly experienced AS developer. I have also started looking at Flex. . . If there proves to be a way that we as a comunity can make developing easier we should invest the time. I would contribute for sure. So what do you think is missing? Is there something we could do or is it as easy as it gets? On 7/20/06, Weyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it ends up, his comments were fueled solely by his dislike for Ruby's syntax, which has nothing to do with whether or not Ruby on Rails is deserving of the attention and praise it is getting. I don't see why my dislike of Ruby's syntax has anything to do with this. I won't bother explain my issues with Ruby itself. It looks like you think I dislike RoR too, I haven't said it, probably I expressed myself badly. I will post this to the flashcoders myself, so you won't be bothered to do so yourself. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
I am looking at ARP and Carngorm at the moment and they are not proving easy to use and I am a highly experienced AS developer. I have also started looking at Flex. . . Did you have a look at haXe ? http://haxe.org It has builtin remoting for communicating with Flash. The idea is that you can program both your website and your Flash movies in haXe. This is great since you can share some code between your flash client and server. A lot of tutorials are available there : http://haxe.org/doc Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Have you ever built anything in haXe? If so how did you find the experience? On 7/20/06, Nicolas Cannasse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking at ARP and Carngorm at the moment and they are not proving easy to use and I am a highly experienced AS developer. I have also started looking at Flex. . . Did you have a look at haXe ? http://haxe.org It has builtin remoting for communicating with Flash. The idea is that you can program both your website and your Flash movies in haXe. This is great since you can share some code between your flash client and server. A lot of tutorials are available there : http://haxe.org/doc Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Have you ever built anything in haXe? If so how did you find the experience? Disclaimer : I'm the haXe author I have been building several websites and flash games with haXe and its predecessor (our in-house language MotionTypes). The less I can say is that using it has been tremendously boosting our productivity and increased the quality of our code. Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I see. I will have a good look at haXe as well. I like the idea but am a bit worried about the amount of time I would have to invest to gain enough understanding to build an application. How long would you imagin it might take to for me to get started? On 7/20/06, Nicolas Cannasse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you ever built anything in haXe? If so how did you find the experience? Disclaimer : I'm the haXe author I have been building several websites and flash games with haXe and its predecessor (our in-house language MotionTypes). The less I can say is that using it has been tremendously boosting our productivity and increased the quality of our code. Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
I see. I will have a good look at haXe as well. I like the idea but am a bit worried about the amount of time I would have to invest to gain enough understanding to build an application. How long would you imagin it might take to for me to get started? Very quickly, especially if you have some AS2 or Java knowledge. haXe offers the same Flash API as AS2, so people having experience in flash programming are not lost. You can read a quick introduction to haXe article that was published on ActionScript.com : http://www.actionscript.com/Article/tabid/54/ArticleID/haxe/Default.aspx Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
James, Rails and Flex work very well together. Maybe you should consider following that career path - a Flex/Rails developer. Jesse Warden has gone that way and loves it. http://www.recentrambles.com/pragmatic/view/31 BLITZ | Steven Sacks - 310-551-0200 x209 ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
After nearly two years of working in ActionScript, my company decided that Flash development was too painful and just not worth the effort. This happened just about the time that I was actually getting the hang of things. In any case, I was the last Flash(AS2) Developer left here... I'm in full support for building an app-development framework around Flash/AS2 and/or AS3, which would make life easier for AS2 devs like me, and make the decision to chose Flash as a development platform easier for a mid-sized team than it currently is. While I have little(none actually) idea about Ruby and Rails, I'll read up soon... I would love to get started before my Flash skills actually get rusted away. - Ujjwal PS: Is there a troll feature on mailing lists? On 7/21/06, Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, Rails and Flex work very well together. Maybe you should consider following that career path - a Flex/Rails developer. Jesse Warden has gone that way and loves it. http://www.recentrambles.com/pragmatic/view/31 BLITZ | Steven Sacks - 310-551-0200 x209 ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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and where does your company decided to move for ? 2006/7/20, Ujjwal Kabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: After nearly two years of working in ActionScript, my company decided that Flash development was too painful and just not worth the effort. This happened just about the time that I was actually getting the hang of things. In any case, I was the last Flash(AS2) Developer left here... I'm in full support for building an app-development framework around Flash/AS2 and/or AS3, which would make life easier for AS2 devs like me, and make the decision to chose Flash as a development platform easier for a mid-sized team than it currently is. While I have little(none actually) idea about Ruby and Rails, I'll read up soon... I would love to get started before my Flash skills actually get rusted away. - Ujjwal PS: Is there a troll feature on mailing lists? On 7/21/06, Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, Rails and Flex work very well together. Maybe you should consider following that career path - a Flex/Rails developer. Jesse Warden has gone that way and loves it. http://www.recentrambles.com/pragmatic/view/31 BLITZ | Steven Sacks - 310-551-0200 x209 ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- João Carlos ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Thanks to all of you for your comments. Dispite googling for just this sort of thing I had never come accross ARP or Cairngorm. I shall take a good long look at both . I have literally just installed Flex builder 2 and will be expermeting with that as well. If any of these things save me as much time as switchig from PHP to Ruby on rails I will be a very happy guy indeed. Kind regards James Deakin On 7/19/06, Aaron Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my fav's On 7/18/06 1:26 PM, Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Pragmatic Programmer http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/ppbook/index.shtml ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
There still hasn't been a decent reason in this thread why the existing frameworks (such as arp + cairngorm) are not suitable? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Smeets Sent: 19 July 2006 08:43 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework I like the idea, and think a lot of people are trying it with you. But wouldn't this result in something like...Flex? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: dinsdag 18 juli 2006 18:49 To: Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com; flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), I am a very and I mean very experienced ActionScript coder. I have been writng code and storing it for re-use for 7 years. I have just installed Rails an application frame work for a language named Ruby which enabled me to create a whole aplication in the space of a few hours. Cant we follow the example and create a framework to make our lives easier as these guys have for Ruby programmers. I would be willing to contribute. What do you reckon would it work. Could we as a comunity of developers do this? James Deakin ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Sorry Nick I was simply unaware of them. Now that I am I will be trying them out. On 7/19/06, Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There still hasn't been a decent reason in this thread why the existing frameworks (such as arp + cairngorm) are not suitable? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Smeets Sent: 19 July 2006 08:43 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework I like the idea, and think a lot of people are trying it with you. But wouldn't this result in something like...Flex? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: dinsdag 18 juli 2006 18:49 To: Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com; flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), I am a very and I mean very experienced ActionScript coder. I have been writng code and storing it for re-use for 7 years. I have just installed Rails an application frame work for a language named Ruby which enabled me to create a whole aplication in the space of a few hours. Cant we follow the example and create a framework to make our lives easier as these guys have for Ruby programmers. I would be willing to contribute. What do you reckon would it work. Could we as a comunity of developers do this? James Deakin ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
no problemo. In case nobody has posted the links: http://www.osflash.org/arp And http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Cairngorm Cheers, Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: 19 July 2006 09:13 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Sorry Nick I was simply unaware of them. Now that I am I will be trying them out. On 7/19/06, Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There still hasn't been a decent reason in this thread why the existing frameworks (such as arp + cairngorm) are not suitable? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Smeets Sent: 19 July 2006 08:43 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework I like the idea, and think a lot of people are trying it with you. But wouldn't this result in something like...Flex? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: dinsdag 18 juli 2006 18:49 To: Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com; flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), I am a very and I mean very experienced ActionScript coder. I have been writng code and storing it for re-use for 7 years. I have just installed Rails an application frame work for a language named Ruby which enabled me to create a whole aplication in the space of a few hours. Cant we follow the example and create a framework to make our lives easier as these guys have for Ruby programmers. I would be willing to contribute. What do you reckon would it work. Could we as a comunity of developers do this? James Deakin ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Correct me if I'm not getting this correctly. But for the sake of argument; I do not believe ARP and or Cairngorm are the same as Ruby in regards to PHP. ARP + Cairngorm give you some handles on how to architect your application, but nothing more than that. Ruby on rails gives the developer (I think) the tools to build a complete webapp in a fast and simple manner. That's why I think the simmilarities between Flex and Ruby on rails are much bigger then let's say Ruby and ARP. Correct me if I'm wrong plz :) Grt, Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: woensdag 19 juli 2006 10:21 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework no problemo. In case nobody has posted the links: http://www.osflash.org/arp And http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Cairngorm Cheers, Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: 19 July 2006 09:13 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Sorry Nick I was simply unaware of them. Now that I am I will be trying them out. On 7/19/06, Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There still hasn't been a decent reason in this thread why the existing frameworks (such as arp + cairngorm) are not suitable? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Smeets Sent: 19 July 2006 08:43 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework I like the idea, and think a lot of people are trying it with you. But wouldn't this result in something like...Flex? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: dinsdag 18 juli 2006 18:49 To: Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com; flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), I am a very and I mean very experienced ActionScript coder. I have been writng code and storing it for re-use for 7 years. I have just installed Rails an application frame work for a language named Ruby which enabled me to create a whole aplication in the space of a few hours. Cant we follow the example and create a framework to make our lives easier as these guys have for Ruby programmers. I would be willing to contribute. What do you reckon would it work. Could we as a comunity of developers do this? James Deakin ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Ruby, is a (slick) programming language Rails is an application framework... Cake is the same framework for PHP ARP and Cairngorn are also frameworks Ruby on Rails has a number of scripts which will construct the empty application shell for you some similar work has been done in ARP using C#, i dont know about Cairngorm. hope that clears it up for you. On 7/19/06, Ben Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correct me if I'm not getting this correctly. But for the sake of argument; I do not believe ARP and or Cairngorm are the same as Ruby in regards to PHP. ARP + Cairngorm give you some handles on how to architect your application, but nothing more than that. Ruby on rails gives the developer (I think) the tools to build a complete webapp in a fast and simple manner. That's why I think the simmilarities between Flex and Ruby on rails are much bigger then let's say Ruby and ARP. Correct me if I'm wrong plz :) Grt, Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: woensdag 19 juli 2006 10:21 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework no problemo. In case nobody has posted the links: http://www.osflash.org/arp And http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Cairngorm Cheers, Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: 19 July 2006 09:13 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Sorry Nick I was simply unaware of them. Now that I am I will be trying them out. On 7/19/06, Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There still hasn't been a decent reason in this thread why the existing frameworks (such as arp + cairngorm) are not suitable? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Smeets Sent: 19 July 2006 08:43 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework I like the idea, and think a lot of people are trying it with you. But wouldn't this result in something like...Flex? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: dinsdag 18 juli 2006 18:49 To: Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com; flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), I am a very and I mean very experienced ActionScript coder. I have been writng code and storing it for re-use for 7 years. I have just installed Rails an application frame work for a language named Ruby which enabled me to create a whole aplication in the space of a few hours. Cant we follow the example and create a framework to make our lives easier as these guys have for Ruby programmers. I would be willing to contribute. What do you reckon would it work. Could we as a comunity of developers do this? James Deakin ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized
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Rails is to Ruby what ARP and Cairngorm are to Actionscript. Nick Ben Smeets wrote: Correct me if I'm not getting this correctly. But for the sake of argument; I do not believe ARP and or Cairngorm are the same as Ruby in regards to PHP. ARP + Cairngorm give you some handles on how to architect your application, but nothing more than that. Ruby on rails gives the developer (I think) the tools to build a complete webapp in a fast and simple manner. That's why I think the simmilarities between Flex and Ruby on rails are much bigger then let's say Ruby and ARP. Correct me if I'm wrong plz :) Grt, Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: woensdag 19 juli 2006 10:21 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework no problemo. In case nobody has posted the links: http://www.osflash.org/arp And http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Cairngorm Cheers, Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: 19 July 2006 09:13 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Sorry Nick I was simply unaware of them. Now that I am I will be trying them out. On 7/19/06, Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There still hasn't been a decent reason in this thread why the existing frameworks (such as arp + cairngorm) are not suitable? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Smeets Sent: 19 July 2006 08:43 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework I like the idea, and think a lot of people are trying it with you. But wouldn't this result in something like...Flex? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: dinsdag 18 juli 2006 18:49 To: Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com; flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), I am a very and I mean very experienced ActionScript coder. I have been writng code and storing it for re-use for 7 years. I have just installed Rails an application frame work for a language named Ruby which enabled me to create a whole aplication in the space of a few hours. Cant we follow the example and create a framework to make our lives easier as these guys have for Ruby programmers. I would be willing to contribute. What do you reckon would it work. Could we as a comunity of developers do this? James Deakin ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Ok I c, but does the Rails framework on one hand and e.g. ARP framework on the other hand handle both the same parts of an application? I thought Rails also makes it easy to implement UI elements or am I wrong? That's why I was thinking about Flex sooner then something like ARP. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Salisbury Sent: woensdag 19 juli 2006 13:41 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Ruby, is a (slick) programming language Rails is an application framework... Cake is the same framework for PHP ARP and Cairngorn are also frameworks Ruby on Rails has a number of scripts which will construct the empty application shell for you some similar work has been done in ARP using C#, i dont know about Cairngorm. hope that clears it up for you. On 7/19/06, Ben Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correct me if I'm not getting this correctly. But for the sake of argument; I do not believe ARP and or Cairngorm are the same as Ruby in regards to PHP. ARP + Cairngorm give you some handles on how to architect your application, but nothing more than that. Ruby on rails gives the developer (I think) the tools to build a complete webapp in a fast and simple manner. That's why I think the simmilarities between Flex and Ruby on rails are much bigger then let's say Ruby and ARP. Correct me if I'm wrong plz :) Grt, Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: woensdag 19 juli 2006 10:21 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework no problemo. In case nobody has posted the links: http://www.osflash.org/arp And http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Cairngorm Cheers, Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: 19 July 2006 09:13 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Sorry Nick I was simply unaware of them. Now that I am I will be trying them out. On 7/19/06, Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There still hasn't been a decent reason in this thread why the existing frameworks (such as arp + cairngorm) are not suitable? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Smeets Sent: 19 July 2006 08:43 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework I like the idea, and think a lot of people are trying it with you. But wouldn't this result in something like...Flex? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: dinsdag 18 juli 2006 18:49 To: Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com; flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), I am a very and I mean very experienced ActionScript coder. I have been writng code and storing it for re-use for 7 years. I have just installed Rails an application frame work for a language named Ruby which enabled me to create a whole aplication in the space of a few hours. Cant we follow the example and create a framework to make our lives easier as these guys have for Ruby programmers. I would be willing to contribute. What do you reckon would it work. Could we as a comunity of developers do this? James Deakin ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com_ __ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
That's why I was thinking about Flex sooner then something like ARP. It's not really a question of Flex vs. ARP from what I understand of ARP as it's more of a development methodology and structural framework that supports Actionscript, but also supports Flex. But starting out, regardless of that, you may find as I did that the documentation for Flex is much better and easier to understand. Reading the documentation for ARP and understanding how you would use its methodology and framework for development of applications seems require a Ph.D. in Actionscript. That probably isn't true, but it's been my experience when checking out the web site and Developer's manual. Kudos to those who use it though, seems like a great concept. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organization Effectiveness - Technology Solutions ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Merrill, Jason wrote: That's why I was thinking about Flex sooner then something like ARP. Yeah, ARP documentation isn't really that clear. Also you can't really print it out well. Main problem. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Rails is to Ruby what ARP and Cairngorm are to Actionscript. You can't just say Framework is to Language as Framework is to Language. The Rails approach is different and, in many people's opinions, better. There's a reason there is more buzz surrounding Ruby on Rails than frameworks like Cake, ARP and Cairngorm. It's also interesting to note that Rails was written by one person, David Heinemeier Hansson, not a committee of people. I thought Rails also makes it easy to implement UI elements or am I wrong? Well, it depends on what you mean by UI elements. Rails will create scaffolding, which consist of the model, controller and a functional view (HTML pages) for each class. It's extremely pragmatic in that it will write the model for you based on what the underlying database structure is, creating variables for every column in the corresponding table in the database. It helps you create forms effortlessly (it even writes them in the view when you scaffold) and there is powerful AJAX scaffolding, as well. And when you're ready to deploy, you use a gem called Capistrano and it will upload and configure everything on your server when you type the following on the command line: rake deploy Pretty amazing, right? But wait! Did you just deploy a nasty bug accidentally? Never fear, just type: rake rollback How you like them apples? :) ARP and Cairngorm aren't in the same ballpark as Rails because it's a totally different sport. A lot of that has to do with the fact that Rails lives on a server and has direct CRUD access to a database. But there is more to Rails than that. UnitTesting is baked right in, along with incremental migration, something most Flash developers don't even know about because they don't have to, and a slew of other features. IMO, if you really want to improve your coding techniques, I highly suggest you pick up Agile Web Development with Rails and go through it. Even if you don't end up doing a lot of Rails work, you'll get to see a real programming language (you'll be amazed at all the extra date, array and string methods in ruby and rails) and you might be able to apply some of the brilliance found there to your Flash development approach. BLITZ | Steven Sacks - 310-551-0200 x209 ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Well, Ruby on Rails is just a hype. Their are some issues with it which cause database corruption. Yours, Weyert ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Well, Ruby on Rails is just a hype. Their are some issues with it which cause database corruption. Oh really? Do tell. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Well, Ruby on Rails is just a hype. Their are some issues with it which cause database corruption. Oh really? Do tell. The reason I ask is because I don't think you can blame Rails for something that's a programmer issue. That's like blaming Flash for bugs in people's Flash apps. On top of that, PHP and Java are both fully capable of corrupting a database in the hands of a newbie. As far as Rails being just hype, everyone is free to investigate and determine for themselves if David Hanson is a marketing genius or a coding genius. At one time, Director developers were saying Flash was just hype. Macromedia just had great marketing but their product wasn't very good. Flash sucks. :P ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Steven Sacks | BLITZ schrieb: At one time, Director developers were saying Flash was just hype. Macromedia just had great marketing but their product wasn't very good. Flash sucks. :P wtf is director ? micha ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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How you like them apples? :) Unfortunately, there is no baked in configuration for peach cobbler, blackberry pie, and apricot fried pies, and since my clients aren't interested in plain old apple pie, ROR is mostly useless for me. ;-) ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I just don't like Ruby it's my main problem with it. Syntax is ugly in my opinion. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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http://blogs.borland.com/fhaglund/archive/2006/07/15/25963.aspx ;-) And yet at the end of said article There might be easy ways get this to work in Rails but I'm a Rails rookie and I have not found it yet. Can someone with deeper knowledge enlighten me? What we have here is a programmer error, not a Rails issue. Immediately, though, he chocks it up to lack of knowledge, not blaming Rails. It just so happens that he missed an important but simple detail and it is explained in the comments. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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At one time, Director developers were saying Flash was just hype. Macromedia just had great marketing but their product wasn't very good. Flash sucks. :P I think that says more about the average Director developer than about Flash or Macromedia. ;-) ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
I think that says more about the average Director developer than about Flash or Macromedia. ;-) Heh, I was joking to make a point. I don't think anyone can claim to know the future and label new technologies as just hype, especially not having delved into them personally to weigh the benefits for themselves. As it ends up, his comments were fueled solely by his dislike for Ruby's syntax, which has nothing to do with whether or not Ruby on Rails is deserving of the attention and praise it is getting. His accusation that Rails causes database corruption was also not true because it was a mistake on the coder's part due to his lack of familiarity with Rails. It's akin to saying Flash doesn't let you attach multiple movieclips because I tried this and it only showed the last clip I attached. this.attachMovie(A_Clip, clipA, 10); this.attachMovie(Another_Clip, clipB, 10); The depths on the two movies are the same so the 2nd overwrites the first. If you didn't know that movieclips couldn't share depths, you might think something was broken. Here's an analogy for the exchange: Me: Everyone is talking about Fish! They're saying Fish is the food of the future and it's delicious! Him: Fish is just hype. Me: Have you ever eaten it? Him: No, but some guy on the internet wrote that eating salmon gives you cancer. And on top of that, I think fish smells bad. :) ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
As it ends up, his comments were fueled solely by his dislike for Ruby's syntax, which has nothing to do with whether or not Ruby on Rails is deserving of the attention and praise it is getting. I don't see why my dislike of Ruby's syntax has anything to do with this. I won't bother explain my issues with Ruby itself. It looks like you think I dislike RoR too, I haven't said it, probably I expressed myself badly. I will post this to the flashcoders myself, so you won't be bothered to do so yourself. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
We definitely can do this, but it may amount to reinventing the wheel. Do you suggest this in lieu of Cairngorm and ARP? Are there things about these frameworks that make them undesirable? Mike ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
I think it's a very good Idea and if someone sets it up, coders will appear and help. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Britton Sent: terça-feira, 18 de Julho de 2006 20:09 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework We definitely can do this, but it may amount to reinventing the wheel. Do you suggest this in lieu of Cairngorm and ARP? Are there things about these frameworks that make them undesirable? Mike ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Have you tried using ARP, the RIA Framework by Aral Balkan? Cheers, James Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), I am a very and I mean very experienced ActionScript coder. I have been writng code and storing it for re-use for 7 years. I have just installed Rails an application frame work for a language named Ruby which enabled me to create a whole aplication in the space of a few hours. Cant we follow the example and create a framework to make our lives easier as these guys have for Ruby programmers. I would be willing to contribute. What do you reckon would it work. Could we as a comunity of developers do this? James Deakin ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
To me (at least to some extent), Flex is to Flash what Rails is to Ruby. And of course you have Cairngorm or ARP for structural framework. -Steve Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), I am a very and I mean very experienced ActionScript coder. I have been writng code and storing it for re-use for 7 years. I have just installed Rails an application frame work for a language named Ruby which enabled me to create a whole aplication in the space of a few hours. Cant we follow the example and create a framework to make our lives easier as these guys have for Ruby programmers. I would be willing to contribute. What do you reckon would it work. Could we as a comunity of developers do this? James Deakin ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
Sure, here's the first step. Buy and read the following books: Agile Web Development with Rails - 2nd Edition http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/index.html This will give you a solid foundation on why Rails is such an outstanding framework. Practices of an Agile Developer http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/pad/index.html The Pragmatic Programmer http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/ppbook/index.shtml These will give you a solid foundation on how to approach building a framework in Flash similar to Rails. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework
One of my fav's On 7/18/06 1:26 PM, Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Pragmatic Programmer http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/ppbook/index.shtml ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
