Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
Carl, I too have followed this reflector for a long while and also went the route of building a Softrock40 before finally obtaining an SDR-1000 just a few weeks ago. I feel sure you won't be disappointed when you get yours - it's everything and more that you've read about here. I have some additional comments below... Pete, N3EVL SDR-1000, 100w, ATU, Delta-44, Softrock40, Dell 2.8GHz P4 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Morris, WN3DUG Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:07 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone? To Gearld and the group, Snip Lately, it has become harder to follow along on this journey, due to the splitting up of the places where all of the action takes place (which used to be on the Forum, and then on this list), but now is spread all over the place! Now we have to download more software to get the latest Alpha or Beta software versions of PowerSDR, go to another site to get the download and hunt for long strings of what looks like a UNIX command string (SVN) and then if we do finally get it downloaded into our PC and running, go to another Bug site somewhere else to report our findings! Well, we have the Flex web site which I still visit occasionally to see if anything's changed. I haven't looked at the Flex web based forum much lately: my impression is it's mostly dormant - maybe I'm wrong. I also ocasionally visit the yahoo site to see what's being discussed there. It still seems like the bulk of the action, at least that which I find most relevant and interesting is still centered around this reflector and, I don't suspect that will change any time soon. Others have pointed out excellent reasons for migrating to a well managed repository for the codebase. This is absolutley standard practice and good software engineering from which we will all ultimately benefit. The tools for dealing with this are simple to use (a joy to use compared to what we had when I was a lad!) and as has been pointed out, support access to the entire codebase or just the compiled and built binaries. Setting up SVN is a one time operation: dealing with weird looking SVN URLs is not a daily occurence. IMHO, the bug tracking capability is also an absolute necessity; there is no way that Flex and the growing team of developers can reasonably expect to track, categorize, prioritize, eliminate duplicates, and ultimately fix bugs without the benefit of such a tool. To anyone reporting a bug, it is in their interest to have a formalized reporting mechanism - nothing gets lost or forgotten and progress on your bug can be tracked; the resolution is documented. In practice, I expect we'll still use this reflector to raise issues or report on observations on items that will more than likely be later classified as bugs and entered into the bug tracking system; I still see this reflector (and the related open discussions) playing a major role. Probably very few people are going to go through this process, which is probably what is desired to prevent prospective Customers from seeing the warts and all, but I feel this is what most hams want to see, and feel a part of, is being able to give their input to the design of the most advanced Amateur radio, that is changing the way all radios will be designed in the future. I am hopefull that _many_ people will go through this process (which quite franly is not as onerous as you imply) and that we'll still see plenty of warts right here on the reflector - which is as it should be! It was so nice, in this fast moving world, to be able to go to one site, this one, and be able to keep up with the latest advances in the SDR-1000, and to be able to feel you're a part of history, and rub elbows with some of the best software, hardware and other designers around! Everyone contributes their own little piece of expertise, however tiny. Remember all the previews that came along as part of 1.4.5? My bet is that if the changes we're discussing here had been in place sooner, there would have been fewer of them and the quality of each would have been higher. This is where we're headed. Combine that with the ability to grab the very latest alpha code as fast as it is generated and we have a much superior system. It's hard enough to keep up with what's going on in the field, when you have many sites to try to follow and keep track of. I feel we're losing something... On the contrary, I feel we're gaining much by applying standard software engineering practices to software defined radio development while retaining the benefits of open disccussion as can occur right here. 73, Carl, WN3DUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] K2/100 S/N: 1320; K2/100 S/N: 3092; KX1 S/N: 271 SoftRock 4.0,5.0,6.0,7.0 ___
Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
Hello Flexers, ;) In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. Oh, In case you missed it: Beta will always be published on our website download page. 73, Gerald FlexRadio Systems
Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
I believe Gerrald clarified things by stating that binaries will in fact be available from the website, albeit on a somewhat less frequent schedule than we became accustomed to with the series of 1.4.5 previews; these will more acurately represent betas (being more stable, less buggy) and will presumably satisfy the needs of those with no interest in the more frequent but less stable alphas available either as binaries or source via SVN. If my interpetation is correct, then this would appear to cover the needs of the varied user/developer community nicely while still beating the pants of the competition in terms of making the radio better and better and better... Pete, N3EVL
Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
Gosh guys, Sure has been a lot of chatter about this. I have learned a thing or two in the process. But from my point of view, most of the heat could have been avoided by simply creating an installer before deploying this SVN stuff... one click and it would be done.. no muss, no fuss.. transparent. Seems like one of you programmers could have done that with the same amount of effort that you have spent trying to convince folks how simple it is... sigh... Guess I just don't understand ! 73, Fred WA8KCW PS. Seems to be considerable difference in the definition of simple, or easy... mine is error potential free.. :-) - Original Message - From: Larry Loen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Others have pointed out excellent reasons for migrating to a well managed repository for the codebase. This is absolutley standard practice and good software engineering from which we will all ultimately benefit. The tools for dealing with this are simple to use (a joy to use compared to what we had when I was a lad!) and as has been pointed out, support access to the entire codebase or just the compiled and built binaries. Setting up SVN is a one time operation: dealing with weird looking SVN URLs is not a daily occurence. It is the absolute standard practice for developers. Overdue and necessary. Very glad it happened. But, if nothing else is clear from monitoring here, it is that everyone is not a code developer and does not want to be. For everyone else, the nonprogrammers, some more ordinary distribution method for the beta-binaries would be a very nice thing to have. What we had, in fact, did not appear at all broken to me. I have had great success with the betas and expect it to continue. I don't get the added barriers. Sure SVN is just one more tool. For a coder like me, SVN is nothing much. Haven't bothered yet, but when I want the next beta, I'll download it and I'm sure I'll have minimum to no trouble. For someone else, however, it can be a bit much, no matter how simple it may be once installed. A lot of people aren't interested in one more tool if they don't have to have it, especially if they aren't programmers. Even more especially with weird looking URLs. We're asking people, after all, to download code and then put it on a 1500 dollar radio. If it were me, and I wasn't a programmer, I'd definitely want the maximum assurance I was doing what I think I was doing and not picking up a rather more experimental level of the code than I realized. The more programmer-esque it is to do, the less confidence I would have (and, perhaps, the more trouble I would have admitting to it here). And, in truth, _everyone_ already knows how to download a zip file or even a self-unpacking .exe file. Browsers are popular for a reason -- people understand them. And, whatever grief it was causing the development team, the original distribution method (especially for those uninterested in coding) worked exceedingly well for me and for (as far as I could tell) for everyone else. Moreover, the risk is in the binary itself. The only reason to go with the extra mumbojumbo of SVN is to simply discourage people from using betas to start with. Why is that a good thing? If we're going to have binaries somewhere anyhow, and if there's already a web server lurking about to boot, would it make that much difference to have some sort of http/download access to them, in-place? Why force non-developers to master a tool they have no interest in and which may actually intimidate them a bit? And, maybe cause a few extra problems in the end? Is this all for some homely reason like the SVN repository and the flex web server are on different machines? Requiring everyone to use SVN or CVS is, so far as I know, pretty unprecedented for an open source project, especially one where most of the population aren't coders. Almost everything I can think of in the open source world that really matters is available as naked RPMs or tarballs outside of the repository proper (including, quite often, alpha/beta level code). Larry WO0Z ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
Can you repeat what you are trying to say, I can't quite hear you. :-P At 08:45 AM 4/18/2006, Gerald Youngblood wrote: Hello Flexers, ;) In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. Oh, In case you missed it: Beta will always be published on our website download page. 73, Gerald FlexRadio Systems ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com Cecil Bayona KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com I fail to see why doing the same thing over and over and getting the same results every time is insanity: I've almost proved it isn't; only a few more tests now and I'm sure results will differ this time ... -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060418/74df2e52/attachment.htm
Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
At 05:55 AM 4/18/2006, Larry Loen wrote: snip And, in truth, _everyone_ already knows how to download a zip file or even a self-unpacking .exe file. Browsers are popular for a reason -- people understand them. snip Is this all for some homely reason like the SVN repository and the flex web server are on different machines? Requiring everyone to use SVN or CVS is, so far as I know, pretty unprecedented for an open source project, especially one where most of the population aren't coders. Almost everything I can think of in the open source world that really matters is available as naked RPMs or tarballs outside of the repository proper (including, quite often, alpha/beta level code). I suspect that *someone* could write a script to automate the process of picking up a SVN tagged version and plunking it at a website for download. The question is who is that *someone*. I think, to a certain extent, we're in that classic situation of companies that roll out a new clunky online timecard application that adds an hour a week to every employee, so that one or two people (payroll clerks) can save a couple hours once a week. SVN makes life much better for the developers, but harder for the consumers, who, as you say, prefer the grab and explode a .exe, even if there are potential problems with installing new over old, mdb migration, etc. One idea might be to make a installer program that you'd install once, that hides all the svn stuff, verifies that you have the right framework and dll files, fetching them if you don't, deals with migration of databases, and, most important, can uninstall older versions. We're sort of treading new ground here.. there's a fair number of technically literate sdr-1000 users out there who would like to experiment using the rapid turnover of development, but aren't interested in being developers themselves (along with the hassles and investment of time/cash that that requires). This seems to be a very different model from most purely software products, where you have coders and users, and not much inbetween. Jim
Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
Gerald Youngblood wrote: Hello Flexers, ;) In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. In case I did not make it clear: Beta will always be published on our website download page. Oh, In case you missed it: Beta will always be published on our website download page. 73, Gerald FlexRadio Systems ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com Does that mean they will be posted on the Website diowload page? -- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn CRUSTY OLD CURMUDGEON, AND PROUD OF IT
Re: [Flexradio] frequency calibration
I'm not sure if this is documented but when I was first attempting to do frequency calibration after I built my Softrock40, I mistakenly centered the signal from my XG1 in the passband as opposed to centering it on the red line in the panadapter window -- this obviously produced the wrong result. Pete. N3EVL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Wachsmann - FlexRadio Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:50 PM To: 'Jeff Griffin'; 'Reflector Flex-Radio' Subject: Re: [Flexradio] frequency calibration Jeff, What version of the software are you using? I would recommend using v1.6.0 as the calibration routines were rewritten and are working better than ever now. There are still some small issues that we are looking into, but for the most part, v1.6.0 should be very steady on the calibrations. Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] radio.biz] On Behalf Of Jeff Griffin Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 10:00 AM To: Reflector Flex-Radio Subject: [Flexradio] frequency calibration Yesterday I received the SDR-1000 I purchased used. All is working fine on my 2gig p4 512 mb XP PRO machine. Only problem I'm having is getting the calibration routine to work properly. The best I can do on WWV is about 500 hz low. I tried several different WWV frequencies, but can do a much better job by ear. Plus or minus 50 hz. Is there any noted bugs with the Freq Cal routine? Or perhaps the sig just isn't strong enough, even though I'm not getting the weak sig warning? Boy what a time for the band's to be in poor shape, right when I get a new HF transciever 73 Jeff kb2m ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex- radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] ASIO 2.7b3
Hello New beta 3 http://www.asio4all.com/ a.. Add intersection checking. Thanks to Eugene Muzychenko once again for having me have another look into this and figuring out how it _might_ work. As a matter of fact, it seems to completely work now, but I'm still puzzled why it works the way it works and not the way it _should_ have worked to begin with - probably one of the mysteries within the Microsoft(r) Universe(tm). What this means to you as the user ist that this just _might_ magically resolve a number of issues with sound cards that employ jack sharing and stuff like that. In fact, it just _might_ resolve some more issues with other devices as well. b.. Fix: ReWuschel now also works with ASIO buffer sizes that are not a multiple of 64 samples. This sometimes was mis-perceived as having to up the buffer size if using ReWuschel when normally you should not have to. Also, the manual has been updated with some information on using ReWuschel. c.. Add dynamic buffer stragegy switching. This is experimental and mainly meant to just _maybe_ prevent one or the other occasional crackle from occuring. Even if you don't notice a difference, trust me: in _theory_, it absolutely makes sense! 73! Serge, RV3APM
Re: [Flexradio] PA Question.
Dave, The current PA calibration routine is a bit too simplistic for our complex hardware/software. It currently takes one point in each band and attempts to calibrate the power from 0 to 100% (~100W) using a non-linear formula. A better calibration routine would use several points in each band to get much closer to being accurate. For the time being, you can manually adjust the PA Gain values while in TUN mode to get 100W. Note that this will likely move the lower settings up as well (i.e. selecting PWR=40 may give 75+ watts). We plan to implement a more sophisticated calibration routine in the future. The only catch is that a dummy load will be required. Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] radio.biz] On Behalf Of Dave Meitzen Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:45 PM Cc: flexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] PA Question. I did all of the calibration and put my peak reading bird on the output to the antenna (1.3:1 SWR) and get 75 watts indicated. The power out is set for 100%. Really expected 100-120 watts peak. Your thoughts? Thanks Dave ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex- radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Linux dttsp
On 04/18/2006 06:24 PM, Brian Sherrod wrote: Do I need to login using cvs login first? I've tried that, however it asks for a password which I thought would be anoncvs which doesn't appear to work. As password, just press return. I've tried to follow the instructions at: http://dttsp.sourceforge.net/cvs.html Sourceforge have problems with cvs access at the moment. See http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352group_id=1 for some more information about that. Hopefully they will get it going soon... When you get the code, do the modifications mentioned at http://microsat.homelinux.org/dttsp/ (Fixes required for dttsp) (Another nice GUI can be seen at http://ewp.homelinux.net/dttsp-shell/) You probably also have to change the path to python if it is something else that /usr/include/python If you like I can make a tar out of the dttsp code I have, with the above mentioned modifications. A new version of the Linux code is said to be on its way. 73 de Lars, sm6rpz -- Lars E. Pettersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sm6rpz.se/
[Flexradio] SVN - WA6AGH console
Hello I just want to ask ... Possibly using the same way as for alpha version PowerSDR with SVN for new WA6AHL console from Jeff . It will be fine. 73! Serge RV3APM
Re: [Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location
Christopher, I believe you will only find access to 2 signals from the Key line on the back of the SDR-1000. Perhaps this is all that you need (PTT + Tone). Bill hit the nail on the head though with his source code recommendations. Let us know if you have specific questions. It sounds like what you want to do is to unhook the Dot (or Dash) line and make it a PTT line while the other line sends the tone. Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] radio.biz] On Behalf Of Christopher T. Day Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 11:43 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location Hi. I finally got my VS .NET`2003 working and now want to do a little fiddling. In particular, I would like to be able to plug my K1EL WinKey directly into the back of the SDR-1000 - into what comes up as the SDR port on the new keyer setup tab. I think from the SDR-100 circuit diagrams that it should be possible to separate the PTT signal from the Dot and Dash signals. The reason I want to do this is that the K1EL can automatically create a PTT signal on its tip output line and a single keyed string on the ring output. I want to set things up similarly to what would be possible using the CAT tab's PTT control along with Iambic disabled in the new keyer. If that makes any sense to anybody who knows the right place to look in the source, I'd appreciate a pointer. Thanks. Chris - AE6VK -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex- radio.biz/attachments/20060415/82528a02/attachment.htm ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex- radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] New member
Welcome to the club. We're glad you joined us. No tips other than what you'll find in the manual/Quick Start Guides. Just ask if you need help and have fun with your new gear. ;) Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] radio.biz] On Behalf Of Brian Sherrod Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:51 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] New member Hello All, I am a new member of this reflector and soon to be a new SDR-1000 owner when the unit arrives. I have been completely out of radio for about 5 years and decided to come back in with a totally new (to me) technology. Being a collector of vintage gear for many years, this will be an interesting turn for me, however I am not new to computers as that is where my profession lies. Anyway, I just wanted to drop a note to the group and say hello! I live on 30 acres north of Vilonia Arkansas. Hope to work many of you in the near future on HF or VHF and above. I operate mainly SSB, AM, and CW. Have done some digital in the past, but not much. Also interested in radio astronomy, in particular Solar and Jovian noise bursts in the area of 20MHz. I think the SDR1K will really be handy for this application. I should have my SDR1K w/D44 in a few weeks, and if there are any hints or things I should avoid on start-up, I would sure appreciate hearing from you. Of course I have been reading the manual over and over. 73 Brian / W5AMI www.arksky.org ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex- radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
I'd like to comment (no flames) on a few of Lee's statements noted below. -Tim --- Tim Ellison ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Integrated Technical Services ( http://www.itsco.com ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pedlow, Lee Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:11 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone? I think that Gerald's previous point (not the rant) and Jim's comment bear some discussion. The value and efficiency of the Flex product model is that there is rapid, diverse peer review of each build posted. This provides efficient convergence on major bugs and also provides corner-case testing because of the diverse applications, host platforms, use cases, etc. that may either be undetected (test voids) or require a much higher test investment by flex in order to achieve the same level of test coverage. This form of testing is actually very efficient because I'm sure Eric et al at flex have structured tests used for build checking, while the ad-hoc community has just the opposite. These concurrent implementation of these two opposing test philosophies mitigate systemic test voids (omissions or coverage gaps in the scripted environment) through the ad-hoc process, yet still has the pragmatic coverage also necessary and lacking from the ad-hoc process. [Tim Ellison] These statements could not be more true and it does provide the basis for rapid test/debug/fix cycles. There does need to be clear distinction between what is actually an alpha test and true beta, this is clear. [Tim Ellison] And as Gerald has noted, the distinction is already there. Betas are posted on the web site and Alphas are obtained from SVN. Much of the angst and dissatisfaction expressed on this very reflector is because users grabbed beta code with a high expectation of functionality that couldn't be met. In many cases, the code wouldn't pass a rudimentary smoke test on a particular build because of a key flaw and required the rapid release of a subsequent revision. That's truly alpha code - agreed. However, isolating such builds to development trees, web sites, etc. and requiring specialized tools to create the build is not the answer. [Tim Ellison] Why isn't it the answer? The specialized tools you mention are free and install in two minutes. You can download the /trunk/bin/release folder in seconds (a few minutes with dial up). You do not have to create the build, the compiled executable is right there in a folder for your consumption. Point, click, run; it doesn't get any simpler. In making the Alpha code just a tad bit less convenient to get, that would in essence help the development team. If Eric has to filter through 100 bug report daily from Alpha code users to filter out the NABs or reports on features not 100% implemented, that is time wasted from actually writing code or thinking up new wiz bang features. I'd rather him spend his valuable time doing the later. If anyone who stumbles upon it can get what is basically non-tested, guaranteed to have problems, can't support it product (remember PowerSDR is a Flex product), then that defeats Gerald's goal of trying to change the untrue perception that PowerSDR is not a mature and stable product, because Alpha code IS and immature unstable product. This defeats the beauty and value of the whole ad-hoc testing arm and relegates flex to big company processes. The fact that alpha evaluators have to build the code creates a whole new set of variables, problems, etc. that will obscure or at least delay discovery of actual application errors. [Tim Ellison] This is not the case; you can get the alpha executable de jour from without having to build any code. I am running that executable as I write this. I would respectfully (and professionally) suggest a tiered process available from the existing website that offers formal releases (like today), real beta code (like today, but more solid release candidates, as Gerald indicated) and Build of the day as finished .exes for alpha testing and with a click-box acknowledgement on download (like the GPL) that bugs are to be only posted to the bug tracking system and no comments or support requests accepted on specific BOD releases on the reflector. [Tim Ellison] In essence that exists today with the SVN tool without having to agree to a usage policy for reporting problems. This way everyone is informed, continues to have full unfettered access to the flex applications at all points in its lifecycle without onerous impediment (tools, compilers, knowledge) to just run the damn code and yet the unhappiness and delayed gratification encountered by newbies, neophytes and the nonadventurous can be avoided. As indicated, Flex is facing the growing pains that every start-up goes through. Many software activities begin as grass roots efforts and as they become viable businesses, advancement of the business requires
Re: [Flexradio] Linux dttsp
Thanks to all that responded on this! I think I can get this going now with all the help provided. Great group here for sure 73 Brian
[Flexradio] sorry, meant -SVN - WA6AHL console
Jeff , THANKS FOR NICE JOB. Hello I just want to ask ... Possibly using the same way as for alpha version PowerSDR with SVN for new WA6AHL console from Jeff . It will be fine. 73! Serge RV3APM
Re: [Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location
Eric,
It's a little confusing to me in the schematic. It appears that there is
a Dot signal {Tip}, a Dash signal [Ring] and a PTT signal that is a
diode OR of the two. I think that is what gets feed over the parallel
port to the PC; please correct me if that is wrong. Otherwise, yes, when
I have the K1EL connected, I want to treat Tip as PTT and use Ring to
key the tone.
Chris - AE6VK
-Original Message-
From: Eric Wachsmann - FlexRadio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:53 AM
To: Christopher T. Day; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location
Christopher,
I believe you will only find access to 2 signals from the Key line on
the back of the SDR-1000. Perhaps this is all that you need (PTT +
Tone).
Bill hit the nail on the head though with his source code
recommendations. Let us know if you have specific questions. It sounds
like what you want to do is to unhook the Dot (or Dash) line and make it
a PTT line while the other line sends the tone.
Eric Wachsmann
FlexRadio Systems
[Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location
Chris,
see bug# 281 on the tracker. This relates to a similar problem on the COM1 port
and using the PTT line on the K1EL keyer.
Kirb - VE6IV
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Eric,
It's a little confusing to me in the schematic. It appears that there is
a Dot signal {Tip}, a Dash signal [Ring] and a PTT signal that is a
diode OR of the two. I think that is what gets feed over the parallel
port to the PC; please correct me if that is wrong. Otherwise, yes, when
I have the K1EL connected, I want to treat Tip as PTT and use Ring to
key the tone.
Chris - AE6VK
-Original Message-
From: Eric Wachsmann - FlexRadio [mailto:eric at flex-radio.com http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:53 AM
To: Christopher T. Day; FlexRadio at flex-radio.biz
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Subject: RE: [Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location
Christopher,
I believe you will only find access to 2 signals from the Key line on
the back of the SDR-1000. Perhaps this is all that you need (PTT +
Tone).
Bill hit the nail on the head though with his source code
recommendations. Let us know if you have specific questions. It sounds
like what you want to do is to unhook the Dot (or Dash) line and make it
a PTT line while the other line sends the tone.
Eric Wachsmann
FlexRadio Systems
[Flexradio] SDR Linux User Group Meeting (21 April at 0100Z)
Hello Fellow Flexers, = We will be holding our third Software Defined Radio Linux User Group (SDRL= UG) meeting this Thursday evening at 9:00 pm EDST (Friday, April 21 at 0100= Z) on TeamSpeak. = We will use a roll call format that is similar to the one used on the = Friday night forum followed by an open discussion period. In addition to b= ringing us up to date on your current activities, please let the group know= about your experience with installing (or attempting to install) ubuntu. = We will also have an update on the status of the next release of DttSP fo= r Linux. One of the main objectives of this group is to attempt to provide somethi= ng of interest for every level of expertise with Linux. = See you Thursday or Friday depending upon what day of the week it is in y= our time zone. = 73, = Dan N4XWE = = = = = - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachme= nts/20060418/6bf07fe3/attachment.htm
Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
Jim, Welcome to the world of large physics experiments - everyone is a developer of their bit and a user of everyone else's bits. Chris - AE6VK P.S. - And if you ask, How do we handle that?, the answer is Badly. -Original Message- From: Jim Lux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:40 AM ... This seems to be a very different model from most purely software products, where you have coders and users, and not much inbetween. Jim
Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
Hi Lee, = Your points are well taken and eloquently stated as always. BUT... = Using SVN is about as trivial as it gets in the computer world. I am n= ot sure that a person that cannot invest ten minutes of their time to learn= the rudiments of using SVN should be fiddling with any kind of code, much = less alpha code. = = I think we are making this issue about 100 times more difficult than it i= s. = If you don't want to screw with SVN or alpha code, don't = If you want to give the beta code a try because it has a feature you cann= ot live without, download the exe file from the Flex-Radio website and go a= t it. = If you want to use only the stable release, no problem. = = Everyone is quickly forgetting that the difference between now and a few = weeks ago is that today we have a full featured stable release. In the not= too distant past it was often necessary to install the latest (alpha, beta= , or whatever) release to have complete functionality of the radio. = My nickel's worth. = 73, = Dan N4XWE = = - New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save = big. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachme= nts/20060418/87774c85/attachment.htm
Re: [Flexradio] [dttsp-linux] SDR Linux User Group Meeting (21 April at 0100Z)
Dan Thanks, I'll be there! I do have Ubuntu installed and frankly,,, It's Beautiful!. Currently I am running it on a dedicated Dell - 150 and trying to do a rescue of a drive added as a second IDE drive formatted in EXT3. The OS did not seem to recognize the second IDE drive automatically, but I still have work to do. It did immediately recognize my USB thumb drive. I have a number of questions, however, I need to walk before I can run, and that is my responsibility. I'd really like to be able to see a 'share' on that machine on my essentially 5 computer LAN here at the house. Thanks for championing this effort. Stick with Umbutu for others wanting to try. Working in one 'build' will be a lot easier for you support guys, and also there is great support on the Ubuntu site. C U Thursday night (for US folks). Eric - AA4SW _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Babcock Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [dttsp-linux] SDR Linux User Group Meeting (21 April at 0100Z) Hello Everyone, We will be holding our third Software Defined Radio Linux User Group (SDRLUG) meeting this Thursday evening at 9:00 pm EDST (Friday, April 21 at 0100Z) on TeamSpeak. We will use a roll call format that is similar to the one used on the Friday night forum followed by an open discussion period. In addition to bringing us up to date on your current activities, please let the group know about your experience with installing ( or attempting to install) ubuntu. We will also have an update on the status of the next release of DttSP for Linux. One of the main features of this group is to attempt to provide something of interest for every level of expertise with Linux. See you Thursday or Friday depending upon what day of the week it is in your time zone. 73, Dan N4XWE SPONSORED LINKS Craft http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Craft+hobbyw1=Craft+hobbyw2=Hobby+and +craft+supplyw3=Ham+radioc=3s=60.sig=YqiuyVwjnQFdynnsmMwVWg hobby Hobby http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Hobby+and+craft+supplyw1=Craft+hobbyw 2=Hobby+and+craft+supplyw3=Ham+radioc=3s=60.sig=VduRJqNqUo9QkUiTI-knAA and craft supply Ham http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Ham+radiow1=Craft+hobbyw2=Hobby+and+c raft+supplyw3=Ham+radioc=3s=60.sig=sl_TRqZTiP_WHSLe6P3ybA radio _ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS *Visit your group dttsp-linux http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dttsp-linux on the web. *To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Terms of Service. _ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060418/baf26ab4/attachment.htm
Re: [Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location
Chris
I did what you surmised when I connected my Bencher paddle key. In my case=
, I separated the diode OR and pull-down resistor from the dot and dash key=
line inverters and fed one of the diodes with the line from my external se=
quencer (ground for PTT) thru a spare inverter in IC4 to generate the corre=
ct logic. Also check the value of the pull-down resistor (R9). It should =
be 1000 ohms or less to properly load the parallel port line. I wound up w=
ith 470 ohms but the proper value should be installed in production units n=
ow.
The key line(s) should also be routed thru either hardware or (preferred) s=
oftware AND gates controlled by the PTT line, to avoid unexpected switches =
of SDRConsole to transmit if the keyer line grounds since there is some oth=
er place in the software (probably for QSK) where any activity on either th=
e dot or the dash parallel port lines also switches SDRConsole to transmit,=
independent of the state of the diode connected PTT parallel port line.
My solution has worked fine for the past few years up to ~ 30 WPM (at faste=
r speeds, the signal begins to merge with the noise on long VHF/UHF paths a=
nd is more difficult to copy).
Phil, K3IB
- Original Message - =
From: Christopher T. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location
Eric,
=
It's a little confusing to me in the schematic. It appears that there is
a Dot signal {Tip}, a Dash signal [Ring] and a PTT signal that is a
diode OR of the two. I think that is what gets feed over the parallel
port to the PC; please correct me if that is wrong. Otherwise, yes, when
I have the K1EL connected, I want to treat Tip as PTT and use Ring to
key the tone.
=
=
Chris - AE6VK
=
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-Original Message-
From: Eric Wachsmann - FlexRadio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:53 AM
To: Christopher T. Day; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location
=
Christopher,
=
I believe you will only find access to 2 signals from the Key line on
the back of the SDR-1000. Perhaps this is all that you need (PTT +
Tone).
=
Bill hit the nail on the head though with his source code
recommendations. Let us know if you have specific questions. It sounds
like what you want to do is to unhook the Dot (or Dash) line and make it
a PTT line while the other line sends the tone.
=
=
Eric Wachsmann
FlexRadio Systems
=
=
=
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Re: [Flexradio] SDR Linux User Group Meeting (21 April at 0100Z)
Dan Thanks! Sorry for copying the post on the linux forum, which I also monitor here. (That is for the folks using Outlook and using [forum] filter, like I do)! Folks (Especially dyed in the wool Windows XP folks like myself) Although there are hundreds of Distributions of Linux out there, Dan has suggested the Ubuntu distribution of Linux which is very full featured. If we settle on one distro, it will probably be easier on the experts to help us with adding features. The problem the Experts seem to have is deciding on one distribution of Linux within their group. The Ubuntu forum is a wealth of knowledge and helpful folks. I would assume that there are other distro groups which are the same, however, if we Appliance operators settle on Ubuntu then we can help ourselves. There HAS to be some Linux structure like Windows XP as a 'single platform' for the basis of this development. Here is the website where you can get a very capable Windowing operating system. When you get there, if you are a purely MS Windows operator and have the capability of burning a CD choose the Live CD for Mac, Intel or AMD machine. Burn the ISO image to a CD and tell your computer BIOS to boot from CD. It will boot you to a test version of Ubuntu on your machine without 'hurting' your XP macine. It may not work, but then again it may. If it does have problems you will know how to ask questions. IT DOES not change your Windows installation AT ALL and is well worth the risk, if you want to try something new! (We wouldn't be Flexers if we were not into the NEW!) If you have an old computer around that you can 'build up' then try the full distribution. Beware these ISO images are pretty big so if you are on dial-up. Start at about 7 A.M your time and come back at 7 P.M. You can also purchase the images on the website. If you want to experiment Dale or I can snail mail you the current distro on CD. Think Outside the Box We have some really outstanding programmers supporting this project in software! (Edson you listening? Come out of hiding mode! I have made the initial effort!) Eric2 - aa4sw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Babcock Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:10 PM To: FlexRadio Reflector Subject: [Flexradio] SDR Linux User Group Meeting (21 April at 0100Z) Hello Fellow Flexers, We will be holding our third Software Defined Radio Linux User Group (SDRLUG) meeting this Thursday evening at 9:00 pm EDST (Friday, April 21 at 0100Z) on TeamSpeak. We will use a roll call format that is similar to the one used on the Friday night forum followed by an open discussion period. In addition to bringing us up to date on your current activities, please let the group know about your experience with installing (or attempting to install) ubuntu. We will also have an update on the status of the next release of DttSP for Linux. One of the main objectives of this group is to attempt to provide something of interest for every level of expertise with Linux. See you Thursday or Friday depending upon what day of the week it is in your time zone. 73, Dan N4XWE - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20 060418/6bf07fe3/attachment.htm ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Management of Change! Formerly : Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
Folks I changed the subject of this thread, which has covered everything from Vitriolic accusations to How to explode eggs in a Heathkit microwave oven! What this 'boils down to' is Management of change. This is the most exciting and confusing business model I have ever seen! I hope successful for Gerald - K5SDR! It takes a paradigm shifter to risk his life's $ on a gamble which changes the lives of SO Many! I hope I am around and still contributing to this change 5 years from now, when I can say to Gerald Gutsiest move I have ever seen! If you are an 'old hand' and have the original model Gerald offered, or are having to wait 3 weeks on your new SDR-1000, you ARE on the ground floor and getting on an elevator which only goes UP! It IS the 'future of radio'. It is NOT an endpoint, since change is around us ALL THE time! That is what ham radio has always been all about as far as I am concerned! It IS in the SD nature of SD(R)! This is a User Defined Radio (UDR). If you buy an SDR-1000 you are part of it's evolution and your obligation, as long as you own one is to Manage it's change. Bob - N4HY has posted that it will change every day, and if he says it it is probably SO (three days later!). At 62 years of age, I consider this point in time the Golden Age of ham radio! Of course I said the same thing in 1964! I am a survivor of CHANGE!! Things HAVE CHANGED - Manage it and be Flexible! It is exciting and what is more: Every day it tells you you ARE alive and still advancing the change and not falling victim to the age problem is I can buy it! Or So What! Thanks for new users and OT's. Eric2 - AA4SW - V31Software Radio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:13 PM To: Pedlow, Lee; flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone? I'd like to comment (no flames) on a few of Lee's statements noted below. -Tim --- Tim Ellison ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Integrated Technical Services ( http://www.itsco.com ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pedlow, Lee Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:11 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone? I think that Gerald's previous point (not the rant) and Jim's comment bear some discussion. The value and efficiency of the Flex product model is that there is rapid, diverse peer review of each build posted. This provides efficient convergence on major bugs and also provides corner-case testing because of the diverse applications, host platforms, use cases, etc. that may either be undetected (test voids) or require a much higher test investment by flex in order to achieve the same level of test coverage. This form of testing is actually very efficient because I'm sure Eric et al at flex have structured tests used for build checking, while the ad-hoc community has just the opposite. These concurrent implementation of these two opposing test philosophies mitigate systemic test voids (omissions or coverage gaps in the scripted environment) through the ad-hoc process, yet still has the pragmatic coverage also necessary and lacking from the ad-hoc process. [Tim Ellison] These statements could not be more true and it does provide the basis for rapid test/debug/fix cycles. There does need to be clear distinction between what is actually an alpha test and true beta, this is clear. [Tim Ellison] And as Gerald has noted, the distinction is already there. Betas are posted on the web site and Alphas are obtained from SVN. Much of the angst and dissatisfaction expressed on this very reflector is because users grabbed beta code with a high expectation of functionality that couldn't be met. In many cases, the code wouldn't pass a rudimentary smoke test on a particular build because of a key flaw and required the rapid release of a subsequent revision. That's truly alpha code - agreed. However, isolating such builds to development trees, web sites, etc. and requiring specialized tools to create the build is not the answer. [Tim Ellison] Why isn't it the answer? The specialized tools you mention are free and install in two minutes. You can download the /trunk/bin/release folder in seconds (a few minutes with dial up). You do not have to create the build, the compiled executable is right there in a folder for your consumption. Point, click, run; it doesn't get any simpler. In making the Alpha code just a tad bit less convenient to get, that would in essence help the development team. If Eric has to filter through 100 bug report daily from Alpha code users to filter out the NABs or reports on features not 100% implemented, that is time wasted from actually writing code or thinking up new wiz bang features. I'd rather him spend his valuable time doing the later. If anyone who stumbles upon it can get what is basically
Re: [Flexradio] SDR Linux User Group Meeting (21 April at 0100Z)
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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
At 11:10 AM 4/18/2006, Pedlow, Lee wrote: I As indicated, Flex is facing the growing pains that every start-up goes through. Many software activities begin as grass roots efforts and as they become viable businesses, advancement of the business requires the evolution of processes and practices. I think the suggestions made above resonate with both Gerald's desires and Jim's very valid comments (be nice Jim). Flame away. Lee Pedlow NG6B San Diego, CA I agree with you Lee.. The question I would have is who does the compile for the SVN .. Right now, you could check in a source code module without necessarily doing a build, bumping the SVN number. Might be nice to have the build in a standard environment? Maybe an automated daily build (as advocated by many software engineering pundits) run by a cron job (actually schedule service in the windows world, unless you've installed SFU) at a reference site might be useful? The cron would pick up the latest revision at 0700Z or something, run a batch compile, and plonk the resulting exe (if any) out there. Or, (gods forbid in the Windows world) a make file with a script to run it that gets zapped into SVN too. A script is available that a) updates your local copy b) fires off the make The Visual Studio world DOES have some way to do automated builds (MS uses it internally, for instance), but I haven't figured it out yet. I haven't spent much time hunting it down, though. Lots of ways to go, and over the next few weeks/months, I figure we'll converge on something. Jim
