Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
On 2/7/07, Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...However, market realities (90% of users use windows, > etc.) mean that the allocation of development resources might push > towards the MS platform, just to accomodate the majority... It's inevitable that there will be a split between the Windows and other versions. Clearly a lot of the appeal of the SDR-1000 for many users is the user interface, and the way it consolidates many old and new features that people have wanted and are learning to want. I don't think the point has been lost on Flex that this is where the growth market lies. My own belief is that this is an ignis fatuus, however. All Icom or Yaesu or Ten-Tec have to do is open up some hooks to their radios via USB or ethernet and the technological advantage that Flex currently has will disappear in a matter of weeks, as far as the SuperConsole is concerned. This avenue will, as you aptly point out, satisfy perfectly the needs of many if not most of the new-buyer population. The long-term advantage of SDR lies not in the "better" UI but in things that SDR can do that more conventional radios cannot. Some of these things are in the UI domain, many of them aren't. They're largely orthogonal to the SuperConsole, and they're going to happen outside the main economic lifeline for Flex, I'm afraid. Hence the inevitability of the split. 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070208/0ec2841c/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
Oh, one other thing. It turns out to be a simple matter to set up ALSA and jack to work with native, unmodified OSS applications. What that means is that linux soundcard applications -- the ones we've been able to test -- already work with sdr-core. The list prominently includes gMFSK and qsstv. The chief missing items are soundmodem (which, if it works, will additionally give packet, G-TOR, AMTOR, and PACTOR I) and fldigi, which has been out of reach since it needs the latest version of hamlib, and that is a scrappy install so far. I haven't been able to get it to build for love or money. If somebody is interested, now would be the time to build a new hamlib interface, a high-level one. With that in place the circle would be complete, and the SDR-1000 under linux could be completely controlled by the digital mode programs, xlog, tlf, and so on, pretty much immediately. 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070208/5769b396/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
After some modifications and leg-evening, the hardware code is now running satisfactorily under python on linux. Modifications have been applied to the svn repo. Details are posted on the dttsp-linux reflector. All praise to W3SZ for his patient work in nursing this and many other linux efforts along, mostly single-handedly. Also, thanks to the heroic efforts of KC2FWX and colleagues at the New Providence Amateur Radio Club, sdr-core is now running well under Mac OSX. It's a real nest of SDR activity up there. We will be exercising the USB version of the hardware code with it in the next several days but expect no real obstacles. 73 Frank AB2KT On 2/7/07, Eric Wachsmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes! One of the core goals of the new software architecture is to be able > to run the radio from the platform of the users choice (at least windows > and > linux ... probably Mac too). At this point it is not clear whether this > will be realized as a single GUI or whether we will have to have OS > specific > consoles. Whatever the case, a linux console is definitely in the future. > > > Eric Wachsmann > FlexRadio Systems > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > radio.biz] On Behalf Of Jim, W4ATK > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:28 AM > > To: Flex-radio Reflector > > Subject: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR > > > > Eric, > > > > I noticed a post from Bob McGwier the other day and actually > > downloaded the > > stuff via TortoiseSVN. Do you think we will have a Linux version of > > PowerSDR > > down the pike? > > With Windows XP's somewhat tenuous position as Microsoft pushes > > their new > > VISTA os, it just seem that maybe a Linux version might be appropriate. > I > > think Bob Cowdry has been working on something with Erlang, but was just > > curuious about Flex-Radio's thoughts without, of course, you letting any > > kittys out of the sack > > > > Jim, W4ATK > > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070208/b6636444/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
At 08:13 PM 2/7/2007, Brad A. Steffler wrote: >I am mainly a "user". I have installed Ubuntu Linux and have absolutely >no problem using it or keeping it working. > While I am a former FORTRAN IV (and some C) programmer, I am not an >expert. I have been out of the field too long to >remember the finer points and nuances of programming. > >Ubuntu Linux is easy to use and to keep updated. Power SDR on this >platform would be a cinch to set up and use, if comparable >efforts to make it easy to install were made, when compared to the >efforts of Windows and Ubuntu programs. The effort required for a clean and easy Windows install are fairly easy.. it sort of comes with the development environment, and a lot of the little bits and pieces are part of WIndows (embrace and extend, after all). The problem with Linux comes in because there ARE differences between distros or installed configurations. It would be fairly easy to make a Live-CD that could boot and bring up LinuxSDR. It would also be pretty easy to make a clean install method for any *one* particular distro (e.g. Ubuntu D or E). The trick would be supporting the guy that has RedHat or FC5 or Debian or Suse with the *same* install procedure. It can be done.. I've seen some very clever make files.. but it's not easy Jim, W6RMK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
I am mainly a "user". I have installed Ubuntu Linux and have absolutely no problem using it or keeping it working. While I am a former FORTRAN IV (and some C) programmer, I am not an expert. I have been out of the field too long to remember the finer points and nuances of programming. Ubuntu Linux is easy to use and to keep updated. Power SDR on this platform would be a cinch to set up and use, if comparable efforts to make it easy to install were made, when compared to the efforts of Windows and Ubuntu programs. I don't think the command is all that intimidating if one has clear, detailed directions . I am 58 years old and not a techno super-expert by any means. 73 Brad KE4XJ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
At 02:30 PM 2/7/2007, Eric Wachsmann wrote: >If the GUI source is cross platform, then it will be a one-for-all, >all-for-one kind of thing (i.e. when we commit an update for windows, the >same update should work for linux, mac, etc). > >However, if the GUIs are separate entities, I think we would handle them as >such. I doubt that we would even release matching version numbers. And, in any case, you still have to manage configurations of the "helper" applications (jack/portaudio/etc.) which will inevitably be different among the platforms. Jim ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
> If the GUI source is cross platform, then it will be a one-for-all, > all-for-one kind of thing (i.e. when we commit an update for windows, the > same update should work for linux, mac, etc). > > However, if the GUIs are separate entities, I think we would handle them > as > such. I doubt that we would even release matching version numbers. > > > Eric Wachsmann > FlexRadio Systems > That's one consideration. But, I was thinking beyond the actual code base, proper, to where and how bugs get fixed and features added. We have a lot more users (raises hand) than coders and I would be concerned if supporting three platforms (in binary) ended up slowing down overall progress as opposed to having the "lesser" platforms not having quite so much formal support so as to get new features well-debugged on the primary platform and then the rest handled after most of the bugs were wrung out. The easiest way to do it is to have differing levels of production of binary, especially for shorter lived "alpha" and "beta" levels of code. Maybe there is no practical difference in the end, but it seems like there could be a way to think about and manage the management of bugs and new features as they flow through the entire code base. Debug time counts, too. Larry WO0Z ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
If the GUI source is cross platform, then it will be a one-for-all, all-for-one kind of thing (i.e. when we commit an update for windows, the same update should work for linux, mac, etc). However, if the GUIs are separate entities, I think we would handle them as such. I doubt that we would even release matching version numbers. Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > radio.biz] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 4:08 PM > To: KA5MIR > Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR > > If we produce Linux (and Mac) versions, why not only commit to do them on > the actual release boundaries (with addition of perhaps the last beta or > three)? > > > Larry WO0Z ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
At 12:30 PM 2/7/2007, KA5MIR wrote: >On Wednesday 07 February 2007 11:18, someone wrote: > > However, market realities (90% of users use windows, > > etc.) mean that the allocation of development resources might push > > towards the MS platform, just to accomodate the majority. > >I don't doubt that the majority of "ALL users" including those that just do >email use the default os, but I would think that the majority of "SDR users" >would be in a more computer literate group. A group that could appreciate >the advantages of not being tied to a single os vendor with manipulative >tendencies. certainly true for the dozen or so regular posters on this list. Perhaps not so true for the couple thousand SDR1000 users out there... And, there's very much a bird in the hand vs bush aspect... We have a windows version that works and is getting better every day. A complete rebuild in a new environment is more of a "real soon now" sort of creation, with the schedule determined by the availability of volunteer resources to toil on it. There's certainly some very cool stuff in Linux and using some cross platform things, but it is not is as well integrated and "out of the box" usable for a casual user as the current PowerSDR. In hardware terms, the linux/cross platform software for the SDR1000 is definitely "some assembly required". (and this is by no means restricted to SDR1000 related software in Linux.. Try and install something like MythTV from a precompiled binary...) And getting that "seamless, easy install" is a fair amount of tedious work, trying it on several distros and configurations (so you can find all the dependencies), and doing a good job packaging it. Complicated by the fact that the Linux version uses many components from many different sources, so ongoing configuration management is a bit of a challenge. Fine for the hacker who does kernel compiles while microwaving their breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Not so hot for the guy who just wants to talk on the radio. Jim, W6RMK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
> On Wednesday 07 February 2007 11:18, someone wrote: >> However, market realities (90% of users use windows, >> etc.) mean that the allocation of development resources might push >> towards the MS platform, just to accomodate the majority. > > I don't doubt that the majority of "ALL users" including those that just > do > email use the default os, but I would think that the majority of "SDR > users" > would be in a more computer literate group. A group that could appreciate > the advantages of not being tied to a single os vendor with manipulative > tendencies. > > Jeff/KA5MIR > I propose an interesting compromise -- If we produce Linux (and Mac) versions, why not only commit to do them on the actual release boundaries (with addition of perhaps the last beta or three)? This is more of a support question than a coding question and it may be better to just "do it all" anyway. But, there could be a notion, one way or another, of major/minor "release" such that we wouldn't be able to expect a Linux/Mac version for each of the (eventually numberless) versions of the console. Thus, people running on the equivalent of 1.8.0 could expect to see a Linux or Mac version (if we did both), but people running at the "SVN" level would be far more on their own in terms of whether/when/how often these things rolled out on the nonWindows platforms and how any interim versions were created and/or tested. Larry WO0Z ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
On Wednesday 07 February 2007 11:18, someone wrote: > However, market realities (90% of users use windows, > etc.) mean that the allocation of development resources might push > towards the MS platform, just to accomodate the majority. I don't doubt that the majority of "ALL users" including those that just do email use the default os, but I would think that the majority of "SDR users" would be in a more computer literate group. A group that could appreciate the advantages of not being tied to a single os vendor with manipulative tendencies. Jeff/KA5MIR ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
At 08:27 AM 2/7/2007, Jim, W4ATK wrote: >Eric, > > I noticed a post from Bob McGwier the other day and > actually downloaded the >stuff via TortoiseSVN. Do you think we will have a Linux version of PowerSDR >down the pike? > With Windows XP's somewhat tenuous position as Microsoft > pushes their new >VISTA os, XP (home) is going to be supported for a very long time... Mainstream support up to 4/2009, extended support to 4/2014 I suspect your computer will be dead or obsolete long before XP dies. > it just seem that maybe a Linux version might be appropriate. I >think Bob Cowdry has been working on something with Erlang, but was just >curuious about Flex-Radio's thoughts without, of course, you letting any >kittys out of the sack There has been talk over the years of a 2.0 release that would be refactored and repartitioned to make it easier to have cross platform compatibility. However, market realities (90% of users use windows, etc.) mean that the allocation of development resources might push towards the MS platform, just to accomodate the majority. Of course, if you have Linux development skills and the time to contribute, you can help the Linux version of whatever it's called become a reality. Barring a conversion to a consistent cross platform solution (e.g. Java.), I would imagine that the Windows and Linux "user experience" will always be different for the SDR1000. They're different populations of users, with different expectations, with different implementation and architectural models. And, even if you were to use a uniform cross platform solution, you'd still wind up with something that is "different" for some or all users. (that is, Java applications, on Windows, tend to not replicate the MS Windows "look and feel", for a variety of reasons) Jim, W6RMK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
On 2/7/07, Eric Wachsmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes! One of the core goals of the new software architecture is to be able > to run the radio from the platform of the users choice (at least windows and > linux ... probably Mac too). At this point it is not clear whether this > will be realized as a single GUI or whether we will have to have OS specific > consoles. Whatever the case, a linux console is definitely in the future. > You just don't know what great news that is to me Eric! I can't wait for a Linux console! The future sounds bright! 73 Brian / w5ami ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
Yes! One of the core goals of the new software architecture is to be able to run the radio from the platform of the users choice (at least windows and linux ... probably Mac too). At this point it is not clear whether this will be realized as a single GUI or whether we will have to have OS specific consoles. Whatever the case, a linux console is definitely in the future. Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > radio.biz] On Behalf Of Jim, W4ATK > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:28 AM > To: Flex-radio Reflector > Subject: [Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR > > Eric, > > I noticed a post from Bob McGwier the other day and actually > downloaded the > stuff via TortoiseSVN. Do you think we will have a Linux version of > PowerSDR > down the pike? > With Windows XP's somewhat tenuous position as Microsoft pushes > their new > VISTA os, it just seem that maybe a Linux version might be appropriate. I > think Bob Cowdry has been working on something with Erlang, but was just > curuious about Flex-Radio's thoughts without, of course, you letting any > kittys out of the sack > > Jim, W4ATK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] Linux version of PowerSDR
Eric, I noticed a post from Bob McGwier the other day and actually downloaded the stuff via TortoiseSVN. Do you think we will have a Linux version of PowerSDR down the pike? With Windows XP's somewhat tenuous position as Microsoft pushes their new VISTA os, it just seem that maybe a Linux version might be appropriate. I think Bob Cowdry has been working on something with Erlang, but was just curuious about Flex-Radio's thoughts without, of course, you letting any kittys out of the sack Jim, W4ATK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
