Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
The new XML data storage structure is MUCH better than Access. The reasons are: 1.) It isn't tied to a Microsoft product (proprietary) 2.) It isn't tied to a Microsoft product (if you haven't guessed, this is really important) 3.) Allows PowerSDR to work with Vista and Win7 x64 operating systems 4.) Allows for easy editing with a simple text editor and not a program you have to buy from Micro$oft 5.) A variant of XML, JSON is going to be used in the new SDR architecture. What everybody needs to do is to realize that this is a FIRST STEP in replacing the Access database as the database storage facility in PowerSDR. Please give everyone some time to adjust to the changes. It will take Ray a little bit of time to modify his DataTransfer tools to accommodate the new XML format. He didn't know the XML centric version of PowerSDR was being released until everyone else. All of these changes are done for specific reasons. While the sort term benefit may not seem all that great on our journey to SDR nirvana, the long term benefit will be very apparent when we get there because it allows us to get there. (there is a Zen riddle in there somewhere). -Tim -Original Message- From: Bruce Mills - KL7JDR [mailto:kl7...@alaska.net] Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:36 PM To: Tim Ellison Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion Hi Tim, I am running Windows 7 RC1 build 7100 32 bit. Not sure if this new way is better ? With the access version , you could import the bandtext file into it. 73's , Bruce KL7JDR Bruce W. Mills P.O. Box 1500 31490 Echo Lake Road Soldotna , Alaska 99669 (907)262-4373 kl7...@alaska.net Question. 32 or 64 bit Win7 Any XML editor will work. I use XML Marker for xml file editing It isn't possible to have a separate bandtext file. The database.xml is all inclusive. It is just the old access database dumped to an XML format. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Bruce Mills - KL7JDR Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:11 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion Have the VS2008 svn working ok on Windows 7. What is the best XML editor for it ? Is it possible to have a seperate bandtext file ? 73's , Bruce KL7JDR Bruce W. Mills P.O. Box 1500 31490 Echo Lake Road Soldotna , Alaska 99669 (907)262-4373 kl7...@alaska.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: The new XML data storage structure is MUCH better than Access. XML after 4 long years... wonder why it took so long? ;-) 73 Phil N8VB ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
Philip Covington wrote: On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: The new XML data storage structure is MUCH better than Access. XML after 4 long years... wonder why it took so long? ;-) 73 Phil N8VB ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Major league if it ain't broke. All of the windows developers are happier. No more conflcting libraries showing up costing lots of time to replace (behind the scenes). Bob -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. You don't need to see the whole staircase, just take the first step., MLK. Twitter:rwmcgwier Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
Old habits are hard to break, no mater how bad they are. -Tim -Original Message- From: Philip Covington [mailto:p.coving...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: Tim Ellison Cc: kl7...@alaska.net; FLEX USERS Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: The new XML data storage structure is MUCH better than Access. XML after 4 long years... wonder why it took so long? ;-) 73 Phil N8VB ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
Sorry about my comment, Narrow viepoint. Now i see the big picture. Also , should have added , that this version VS2008 SVN: 3033 , is the most stable one that i have used. It uses less cpu and lower buffers. Very stable on Windows Vista and Windows 7, With Windows 7 being better. I am using a very old computer. Flex Radio is the Best ! and it keeps getting Better ! 73's , Bruce KL7JDR Bruce W. Mills P.O. Box 1500 31490 Echo Lake Road Soldotna , Alaska 99669 (907)262-4373 kl7...@alaska.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
Dave, You don't need Access, per se. The Jet data base engine component of Access will be installed automatically for you when you install PowerSDR. 73 Ed, W1PN On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Dave Gomberg da...@wcf.com wrote: OK, I downloaded 1.18.0 for my new F3K, which should arrive in about a week. Some Qs: Will it run at all without Access? I don't have Access on the machine in question. When will the XML version hit GA (general availability, out of test)??? Estimate is fine, don't need exact. -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE gomberg1 at wcf dot com All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html - ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
Furthermore, the reward for good work is more work. 73, Ed, W1PN On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Bob McGwier rwmcgw...@gmail.com wrote: Ray Andrews wrote: Bob, Is it you guys sole purpose in life to create work for me? Now I am going to have to get busy rewrite SDRDataTransfer.exe to handle both .mdb .xml files! No rest for the wicked! 73, Ray, K9DUR I have been writing programs for other radio amateurs to use since the mid-1970's. Rest assured, no good deed goes unpunished. Bob -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. You don't need to see the whole staircase, just take the first step., MLK. Twitter:rwmcgwier Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
On 05/07/09 06:48 pm Bob McGwier wrote: The test branch and the VS2008 branch have undergone significant revisions. Both of them have a brand new database system (YEA ERIC, HIP HIP HOORAY). We are using XML. You will notice that as soon as you start up, the start up just got faster. You will notice as soon as you click apply in the setup form, it will not run your CPU up to the rail to send two numbers to the database. I cannot tell you how happy I am that jet databases are on their way out for good. This is required because Jet is dead in Vista 64 and probably beyond. Your database will NOT be automatically converted in these test branches. You will have to start over with a clean database. In VS2008, it is built using .NET 3.5. You must go to microsoft update and in optional software for XP users and make sure you have .NET 3.5 load. Both the GUI and PA19.dll REQUIRE this to be installed. The test branch is in the same place as always. VS2008 branch (which should now run on Vista 64) is in branches/n4hy/VS2008/bin/Release will contain all you need to run it. The console banner reflects that you are running the VS2008 branch now. For those of you just using and enjoying your radio, this is all very much test code. Go about your daily business and don't worry about this stuff until it gets far enough along to be really stable and in the trunk. Thanks for your work. I hope there will be some reasonably foolproof tool for playing with the XML code -- e.g., adding/changing BandText and BandStack without causing serious errors. At least Access wouldn't let one enter duplicate records or put the wrong type of data in a field. 73 Alan NV8A ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
Am 08.05.2009 um 22:22 schrieb Alan NV8A: I hope there will be some reasonably foolproof tool for playing with the XML code -- e.g., adding/changing BandText and BandStack without causing serious errors. At least Access wouldn't let one enter duplicate records or put the wrong type of data in a field. A very good point, Alan. I am always wondering why XML is considered the swiss army knife to all data storing and data exchange design challenges. It is certainly the most used format, and a wealth of tools exist for manipulating data. Now if there are proper schema definitions coming with the XML file those tools will allow for uniqueness tests and such. Looking forward to check out the code. Thanks for the work, though, to make this really platform independent. 73, Frank -- Frank Goenninger Cell: +49 175 4321058 E-Mail: f...@me.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
Have the VS2008 svn working ok on Windows 7. What is the best XML editor for it ? Is it possible to have a seperate bandtext file ? 73's , Bruce KL7JDR Bruce W. Mills P.O. Box 1500 31490 Echo Lake Road Soldotna , Alaska 99669 (907)262-4373 kl7...@alaska.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
HOT DIGITY DOG! NO MORE ACCESS DATABASE. HOOTIE WHOOO! I think I'll organize a wake for it! Long live XML. Thank you * 10^30 -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Bob McGwier Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:48 PM To: FLEX USERS Subject: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion The test branch and the VS2008 branch have undergone significant revisions. Both of them have a brand new database system (YEA ERIC, HIP HIP HOORAY). We are using XML. You will notice that as soon as you start up, the start up just got faster. You will notice as soon as you click apply in the setup form, it will not run your CPU up to the rail to send two numbers to the database. I cannot tell you how happy I am that jet databases are on their way out for good. This is required because Jet is dead in Vista 64 and probably beyond. Your database will NOT be automatically converted in these test branches. You will have to start over with a clean database. In VS2008, it is built using .NET 3.5. You must go to microsoft update and in optional software for XP users and make sure you have .NET 3.5 load. Both the GUI and PA19.dll REQUIRE this to be installed. The test branch is in the same place as always. VS2008 branch (which should now run on Vista 64) is in branches/n4hy/VS2008/bin/Release will contain all you need to run it. The console banner reflects that you are running the VS2008 branch now. For those of you just using and enjoying your radio, this is all very much test code. Go about your daily business and don't worry about this stuff until it gets far enough along to be really stable and in the trunk. Bob -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. You don't need to see the whole staircase, just take the first step., MLK. Twitter:rwmcgwier Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
Bob, Is it you guys sole purpose in life to create work for me? Now I am going to have to get busy rewrite SDRDataTransfer.exe to handle both .mdb .xml files! No rest for the wicked! 73, Ray, K9DUR ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
Ray Andrews wrote: Bob, Is it you guys sole purpose in life to create work for me? Now I am going to have to get busy rewrite SDRDataTransfer.exe to handle both .mdb .xml files! No rest for the wicked! 73, Ray, K9DUR I have been writing programs for other radio amateurs to use since the mid-1970's. Rest assured, no good deed goes unpunished. Bob -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. You don't need to see the whole staircase, just take the first step., MLK. Twitter:rwmcgwier Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion
One correction. The test branch has not been modified. Eric has not merged his branch to test. SORRY for the false alarm. It will be done quite soon. VS2008 does indeed now use xml for the database entries and .NET 3.5 is required. Bob Tim Ellison wrote: HOT DIGITY DOG! NO MORE ACCESS DATABASE. HOOTIE WHOOO! I think I'll organize a wake for it! Long live XML. Thank you * 10^30 -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Bob McGwier Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:48 PM To: FLEX USERS Subject: [Flexradio] Two branches of interest to increase your confusion The test branch and the VS2008 branch have undergone significant revisions. Both of them have a brand new database system (YEA ERIC, HIP HIP HOORAY). We are using XML. You will notice that as soon as you start up, the start up just got faster. You will notice as soon as you click apply in the setup form, it will not run your CPU up to the rail to send two numbers to the database. I cannot tell you how happy I am that jet databases are on their way out for good. This is required because Jet is dead in Vista 64 and probably beyond. Your database will NOT be automatically converted in these test branches. You will have to start over with a clean database. In VS2008, it is built using .NET 3.5. You must go to microsoft update and in optional software for XP users and make sure you have .NET 3.5 load. Both the GUI and PA19.dll REQUIRE this to be installed. The test branch is in the same place as always. VS2008 branch (which should now run on Vista 64) is in branches/n4hy/VS2008/bin/Release will contain all you need to run it. The console banner reflects that you are running the VS2008 branch now. For those of you just using and enjoying your radio, this is all very much test code. Go about your daily business and don't worry about this stuff until it gets far enough along to be really stable and in the trunk. Bob -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. You don't need to see the whole staircase, just take the first step., MLK. Twitter:rwmcgwier Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. You don't need to see the whole staircase, just take the first step., MLK. Twitter:rwmcgwier Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
