Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..another nice promising bird in git: se5 :o)
Looks lovely, will give her a go later. Alex On 19 Feb 2011, at 19:24, Arnt Karlsen wrote: Hi, ..it's a sweet wee pussycat as far as handling goes, also on roll-out, where it appears to _try_ carry the full weight of its shadow: ;o) https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/raw/master/smoke-sheen/fgfs-screen-001.png ..the sim brakes are ok in KSFO grass, but could use a disk lube job after brake disk rust removal, waaay too touchy now for KFSO tarmac. ..pay due attention to the ground crew on start-up. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candiates
Hi, Perhaps some of you have noticed, that some of the aircraft that come with the standard flightgear package should be changed. A few examples, we could have a more realistic commercial jet than the 777-200(the FDM is terribly unrealistic), we could have a better modeled helicopter than the BO-105, and a better ultralight than the dragonfly. I suggest we refine these aircraft, and say, replace the BO-105 with either the EC-135, EC-130, or AH-1. The Dragonfly could be swapped with the M18B Dromader, and the 772, well, it could be replaced with a commercial jet that _doesn't_ handle like an F-18, but still has a nice cockpit and good model. What do you guys think? Any additional suggestions? Check Six, Jack For Flightgear Add ons and more, visit: http://alphashangar.co.nr/ -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candiates
we could have a better modeled helicopter than the BO-105 I am wondering what makes you feel the Bo105 is not as realistic as others. It has one of the most sophisticated helicopter FDMs in FlightGear which has been approved by real pilots. Almost every other FDM is based on guessing more or less. Oliver -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..another nice promising bird in git: se5 :o)
Arnt Karlsen wrote Hi, ..it's a sweet wee pussycat as far as handling goes, also on roll-out, where it appears to _try_ carry the full weight of its shadow: ;o) https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/raw/master/smoke-sheen/fgfs- screen-001.png ..the sim brakes are ok in KSFO grass, but could use a disk lube job after brake disk rust removal, waaay too touchy now for KFSO tarmac. ..pay due attention to the ground crew on start-up. ;o) Brakes on an SE5? There should be no brakes on an SE5. Vivian -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candiates
Hi, Hi, Perhaps some of you have noticed, that some of the aircraft that come with the standard flightgear package should be changed. A few examples, we could have a more realistic commercial jet than the 777-200(the FDM is terribly unrealistic), we could have a better modeled helicopter than the BO-105, and a better ultralight than the dragonfly. The 777-200 has now an own repository on gitorious.org, and I see a lot of improvements. Currently it is the Airliner with the most sophisticated AP and other systems like Autobrakes etc... The Bo105 is the heli with the most realistic fdm we have. It is based on detailed real datas from a NASA-report and behaves like the real one. The Bell UH1 is realistic as well, and makes use of the same NASA report, but has some problems with Autorotation. Btw. is the Bo105 easy to fly and recommended for beginners. That's why I still vote for the Bo105. The Ec135 has some problems with fps-perfomance and I'm currently working on fix this issues. The Ec130 needs a good documentation for the beginners as the startup is not for beginners, and this needs some time to write. Heiko -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGrun compile problem against v.2.2 git
Fred, Ok I cant figure it, I had quite a few goes at compiling it yesterday and deleted them all as I went. but the one in question most likely was an old version. Somethings got mixed up along the way. So totally disregarding yesterday, today starting fresh I have tried 2 wiki download links for fgrun, and the Brisca script, all return with svn 621 which seems to be 1.5.2. On a machine with just the minimal Xorg and files to build SG/FG with libfltk1.1 libfltk1.1-dev added for fgrun, 621 has a different compile error which I also saw yesterday amongst the numerous attempts to compile it, ./autogen.sh ./configure --prefix=$prefix CPPFLAGS=-I$prefix/include/ LDFLAGS=-L$prefix/lib -L$prefix/lib64 make Making all in src make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/fgrun/fgrun/src' fluid -c ./wizard.fl /bin/bash: fluid: command not found make[1]: *** [wizard.h] Error 127 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/fgrun/fgrun/src' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 So I installed fluid with :apt-get install fluid But now it stops with: mv -f .deps/fgrun_pty.Tpo .deps/fgrun_pty.Po g++ -DLOCALEDIR=\/share/locale\ -g -O2 -L/lib -L/lib64 -o fgrun wizard.o wizard_funcs.o advanced.o advanced_funcs.o AirportBrowser.o AirportTable.o Fl_Table.o Fl_Table_Row.o Fl_OSG.o Fl_Heading_Dial.o main.o io.o fgfsrc.o logwin.o parkingloader.o settings.o util.o run_posix.o fgrun_pty.o -lsgmodel -lsgscreen -lsgprops -lsgxml -lsgdebug -lsgbvh -lsgmaterial -lsgmodel -lsgutil -lsgstructure -lsgprops -lsgtgdb -lsgmath -lsgmisc -lsgbvh -lsgio -lsgbucket -lsgmodel -lsgutil -losgParticle -losgSim -losgViewer -losgGA -losgText -losgDB -losgUtil -losg -lOpenThreads -lfltk_gl -lfltk -lpthread -lGL -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lm -lz -lutil -losgFX make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/fgrun/fgrun/src' make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/fgrun/fgrun/src' Making all in po make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/fgrun/fgrun/po' test ! -f ./fgrun.pot || \ test -z fr.gmo nl.gmo pt.gmo de.gmo it.gmo pl.gmo es.gmo || make fr.gmo nl.gmo pt.gmo de.gmo it.gmo pl.gmo es.gmo make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/fgrun/fgrun/po' rm -f fr.gmo : -c --statistics -o fr.gmo fr.po mv: cannot stat `t-fr.gmo': No such file or directory make[2]: *** [fr.gmo] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/fgrun/fgrun/po' make[1]: *** [stamp-po] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/fgrun/fgrun/po' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 Do I need to install more than just fluid ? Harry On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.frwrote: It doesn't make sense to me because neither line 331, nor the line you cited has string in them. Moreover, line 13 of wizard.h reads using std::string; Are you sure your sources of fgrun are current and you don't have an old wizard.h elsewhere ? Regards, -Fred - Harry Campigli a écrit : Thanks Csaba Sorry I must have been in error copying line 331 to the post incorrectly. Any how : Puttting adding namespace std; in the wizard.h file as I saw someone suggest for fgrun elsewhere works around the problem. On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Csaba Halász csaba.hal...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Harry Campigli harryc...@gmail.com wrote: I find issues with building FGrun on Ubuntu 10:10 FG and SG are both current from the git repostories FG run is v1.5.2 Make stops with: In file included from wizard.cxx:7: wizard.h:331: error: ‘string’ does not name a type make[2]: *** [wizard.o] Error 1 wizard.h line 331 is : FlightGearThread *fgThread; Sounds like you are looking at the wrong file/line, since that line doesn't have string on it. Is this an issue from compiling fgrun to the git version of FG? This is a problem in fgrun, it is missing #include string and/or it has problem with properly referencing the namespace. -- Frédéric Bouvier http://www.youtube.com/user/fgfred64 Videos -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Regards Harry 19b Jln Danau Poso Sanur, Bali 80228 H +62 361 285629 M +62 812 7016328 -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the
[Flightgear-devel] fgfs on Android source request
googling for: android flightgear i got something on: appBrain any android user pls buy and post the source. It's only my technical interest but if we don't get the sources we can sue... -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..another nice promising bird in git: se5 :o)
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:24:10 -, Vivian wrote in message C289D3CD017047BB8821F52E448C2779@MAIN: Arnt Karlsen wrote Hi, ..it's a sweet wee pussycat as far as handling goes, also on roll-out, where it appears to _try_ carry the full weight of its shadow: ;o) https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/raw/master/smoke-sheen/fgfs- screen-001.png ..the sim brakes are ok in KSFO grass, but could use a disk lube job after brake disk rust removal, waaay too touchy now for KFSO tarmac. ..pay due attention to the ground crew on start-up. ;o) Brakes on an SE5? There should be no brakes on an SE5. ..I said sim brakes, and I found out the hard way. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candiates
Like we couldn't see this coming ;) As for the 777 , unrealistic according to who ? I'm not against changing it as one of the default aircraft , there are a lot of other great choices now , but I do get annoyed with these claims by armchair pilots who read it somewhere or saw it on youtube have you piloted one of these in real life ? If so , what could be improved ? When I get FACTS from REAL pilots , I tend to be all ears , there are too many self proclaimed experts to take everything I hear as fact. I've done a huge amount of research on that aircraft , but have never flown one , so I can't say with certainty how accurate the FDM is myself , but still I'd rather hear how it could fixed rather than a hazy '(the FDM is terribly unrealistic) Thanks, Syd -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candiates
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:49 PM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote: Like we couldn't see this coming ;) As for the 777 , unrealistic according to who ? I'm not against changing it as one of the default aircraft , there are a lot of other great choices now , but I do get annoyed with these claims by armchair pilots who read it somewhere or saw it on youtube have you piloted one of these in real life ? If so , what could be improved ? When I get FACTS from REAL pilots , I tend to be all ears , there are too many self proclaimed experts to take everything I hear as fact. I've done a huge amount of research on that aircraft , but have never flown one , so I can't say with certainty how accurate the FDM is myself , but still I'd rather hear how it could fixed rather than a hazy '(the FDM is terribly unrealistic) While I am not a real world pilot, I also get annoyed at the subjective Blah is broken where blah is a feature on a particular aircraft. Better is an objective cruise speed of the aircraft at x,000 feet is 500 knots when it should be 520 knots. Note: I have plucked those figures out of the air for the discussion. However, the first statement is open to arguement and the next question of what and how is blah broken. The second example can be responded to as yes you are right the FDM is a little out or No, it's correct as cruise alttiude of air craft should be no higher than y,000 feet. As I deal with vauge user reports with as little information to go on as The Internet is broken, I am all for as much information as can be provided. Which application... the list goes on. Jack, I know you meant well but stating that an aircraft could be replaced with another isn't particularly helpful without naming a successor. It help as other can then agree with your or say that something else is more worthy. I think this discussion comes up every time a new release gets close. Regards George -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGrun compile problem against v.2.2 git
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Harry Campigli harryc...@gmail.com wrote: make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/fgrun/fgrun/po' rm -f fr.gmo : -c --statistics -o fr.gmo fr.po Do I need to install more than just fluid ? Try installing gettext package as well. The configure script seems to be broken if it didn't report error about that. -- Csaba/Jester -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGrun compile problem against v.2.2 git
Harry, - Harry Campigli a écrit : So totally disregarding yesterday, today starting fresh I have tried 2 wiki download links for fgrun, and the Brisca script, all return with svn 621 which seems to be 1.5.2. Could you tell me where did you found 1.5.2 ? configure.ac has 1.5.3 since 11/13/2010 and rev 577. version also has 1.5.3 and fgrun.vcproj as well Regards, -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://www.youtube.com/user/fgfred64 Videos -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs on Android source request
I know there is one android/flightgear app that serves as a remote control for flying FlightGear via your android phone--perhaps that is what you found? It uses the network interface which provides good separation of application licensing. Also, I've never got source code for any app I've installed on my android phone ... I wouldn't expect it in this case either. Regards, Curt. On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Michael Sgier wrote: googling for: android flightgear i got something on: appBrain any android user pls buy and post the source. It's only my technical interest but if we don't get the sources we can sue... -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/curt/http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/personal/curt/ -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGrun compile problem against v.2.2 git
Fred, Csaba Thank you both very much for the assitance. First I installed gettext, it still failed to compile, then I added --with-fltk=/usr/lib to my configure line and it built with just one warning. that being for info : g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I/usr/lib/include -I/include/ -DLOCALEDIR=\/share/locale\ -g -O2 -MT wizard_funcs.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/wizard_funcs.Tpo -c -o wizard_funcs.o wizard_funcs.cxx wizard_funcs.cxx: In member function ‘void Wizard::preview_aircraft()’: so I removed the gettext made clean and tied again and all was still ok. thus I have installed fluid (maybe already in most desktop installs) ./autogen.sh ./configure --prefix=$prefix CPPFLAGS=-I$prefix/include/ LDFLAGS=-L$prefix/lib -L$prefix/lib64 --with-fltk=/usr/lib make and it built ok. Again the same warning, but I assume its not serous? Providing it proves to be repeatable I will be happy, but I am installing it in a very minimalistic system running on stick. Many folks using normal desktop installs might not find the problems I do. Fred based on your previous response to my question about grabbing the output to FG, I have made a script to catch the output and filter it, then fire it off to multiple machines. Ie a master machine and 2 running as slaves for window views I have put it up on a new page, actually complete new FG based sub-domain on my site, http://flightgear.bali-gold.com/ Here i am putting my notes for FG in hardware sim settups with multiple machines, and bare bones hard-disk free installs. Not really of interest to the average desktop user. I have put the script with some notes at http://flightgear.bali-gold.com/howto_fgrun_multi.html Finally could I ask do you know where i can disable the call in FGrun to open the monitor window or pipe it to a file? In my particular config with TWM the window is bit of a pest. Regards and thanks for your help Harry On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.frwrote: On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Harry Campigli wrote: make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/fgrun/fgrun/po' rm -f fr.gmo : -c --statistics -o fr.gmo fr.po Do I need to install more than just fluid ? Try installing gettext package as well. The configure script seems to be broken if it didn't report error about that. Try cmake as it is truly multi platform Regards, -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://www.youtube.com/user/fgfred64 Videos -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Regards Harry 19b Jln Danau Poso Sanur, Bali 80228 H +62 361 285629 M +62 812 7016328 -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGrun compile problem against v.2.2 git
Fred In the first line of the NEWS file from that I assume the version number as I did not see it to refered to elsewhere. Harry On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.frwrote: Harry, - Harry Campigli a écrit : So totally disregarding yesterday, today starting fresh I have tried 2 wiki download links for fgrun, and the Brisca script, all return with svn 621 which seems to be 1.5.2. Could you tell me where did you found 1.5.2 ? configure.ac has 1.5.3 since 11/13/2010 and rev 577. version also has 1.5.3 and fgrun.vcproj as well Regards, -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://www.youtube.com/user/fgfred64 Videos -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Regards Harry 19b Jln Danau Poso Sanur, Bali 80228 H +62 361 285629 M +62 812 7016328 -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs on Android source request
On 20.02.2011 15:40, Curtis Olson wrote: I know there is one android/flightgear app that serves as a remote control for flying FlightGear via your android phone--perhaps that is what you found? It uses the network interface which provides good separation of application licensing. Yes no. It's an app particularly marketed as a flightsim for Android - named FlightGear. Pictures promoting the app show the infamous ProFl*Sim package. It also has a link to the profl*sim website (e.g. FlightGear dot us). So, it's another activity of the ProFl*Sim scammers. They certainly haven't ported FG to Android, so it's either a complete hoax - or they indeed try to sell the Android remote control (pretending it to be a full flightsim). My guess is the latter (since it saves them work of creating a hoax application first). This site offered the FlightGear (ProFl*Sim) package for Android until a few hours ago: http://de.appbrain.com/app/flightgear/com.flightgear Now it just says This app is unfortunately no longer available on the Android market.. Ha... Partially it's still visible in google's cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9zRzOnUzIVsJ:https://market.android.com/details%3Fid%3Dcom.perfectflight+android+flightgear cheers, Thorsten -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs on Android source request
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 2:13 AM, ThorstenB bre...@gmail.com wrote: On 20.02.2011 15:40, Curtis Olson wrote: I know there is one android/flightgear app that serves as a remote control for flying FlightGear via your android phone--perhaps that is what you found? It uses the network interface which provides good separation of application licensing. Yes no. It's an app particularly marketed as a flightsim for Android - named FlightGear. Pictures promoting the app show the infamous ProFl*Sim package. It also has a link to the profl*sim website (e.g. FlightGear dot us). So, it's another activity of the ProFl*Sim scammers. They certainly haven't ported FG to Android, so it's either a complete hoax - or they indeed try to sell the Android remote control (pretending it to be a full flightsim). My guess is the latter (since it saves them work of creating a hoax application first). This site offered the FlightGear (ProFl*Sim) package for Android until a few hours ago: http://de.appbrain.com/app/flightgear/com.flightgear Anything like this one? http://www.appbrain.com/app/alni-flightgear-control/org.alni.android.fgfs.control -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs on Android source request
Comment at the end of the cached page: pure waste of a buck, just brought me to their web page. Curt. On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 9:13 AM, ThorstenB wrote: On 20.02.2011 15:40, Curtis Olson wrote: I know there is one android/flightgear app that serves as a remote control for flying FlightGear via your android phone--perhaps that is what you found? It uses the network interface which provides good separation of application licensing. Yes no. It's an app particularly marketed as a flightsim for Android - named FlightGear. Pictures promoting the app show the infamous ProFl*Sim package. It also has a link to the profl*sim website (e.g. FlightGear dot us). So, it's another activity of the ProFl*Sim scammers. They certainly haven't ported FG to Android, so it's either a complete hoax - or they indeed try to sell the Android remote control (pretending it to be a full flightsim). My guess is the latter (since it saves them work of creating a hoax application first). This site offered the FlightGear (ProFl*Sim) package for Android until a few hours ago: http://de.appbrain.com/app/flightgear/com.flightgear Now it just says This app is unfortunately no longer available on the Android market.. Ha... Partially it's still visible in google's cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9zRzOnUzIVsJ:https://market.android.com/details%3Fid%3Dcom.perfectflight+android+flightgear cheers, Thorsten -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/curt/http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/personal/curt/ -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs on Android source request
On 20.02.2011 16:18, George Patterson wrote: This site offered the FlightGear (ProFl*Sim) package for Android until a few hours ago: http://de.appbrain.com/app/flightgear/com.flightgear Anything like this one? http://www.appbrain.com/app/alni-flightgear-control/org.alni.android.fgfs.control No, Alni is the good guy :). He's the original author of the remote control: http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18t=10761 Also, Alni's offer is for free - and doesn't pretend to be a full flightsim... cheers, Thorsten -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candiates
Two things cross my mind, whilst I know the designers strive to model the true aerodynamics in the fdm. 1- how many fly these sims on realistic hardware? Would many even go as far as a set of imitation yoke and pedals? 2- I have spent some time in F28s set up for airport navaid calibration surveys in the past, No pax and no bags or cargo, not a lot of fuel onboard, and I have to tell you that aeroplane could really go!, those pilots could and would throw that thing all over the sky. There was never any hint of that performance riding in an F28 on normal passenger service. I suspect most people would run FG airliners without full weight and slack tanks which vastly alters the power to weight ratio of the aircraft. Harry On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 8:16 PM, George Patterson george.patter...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:49 PM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote: Like we couldn't see this coming ;) As for the 777 , unrealistic according to who ? I'm not against changing it as one of the default aircraft , there are a lot of other great choices now , but I do get annoyed with these claims by armchair pilots who read it somewhere or saw it on youtube have you piloted one of these in real life ? If so , what could be improved ? When I get FACTS from REAL pilots , I tend to be all ears , there are too many self proclaimed experts to take everything I hear as fact. I've done a huge amount of research on that aircraft , but have never flown one , so I can't say with certainty how accurate the FDM is myself , but still I'd rather hear how it could fixed rather than a hazy '(the FDM is terribly unrealistic) While I am not a real world pilot, I also get annoyed at the subjective Blah is broken where blah is a feature on a particular aircraft. Better is an objective cruise speed of the aircraft at x,000 feet is 500 knots when it should be 520 knots. Note: I have plucked those figures out of the air for the discussion. However, the first statement is open to arguement and the next question of what and how is blah broken. The second example can be responded to as yes you are right the FDM is a little out or No, it's correct as cruise alttiude of air craft should be no higher than y,000 feet. As I deal with vauge user reports with as little information to go on as The Internet is broken, I am all for as much information as can be provided. Which application... the list goes on. Jack, I know you meant well but stating that an aircraft could be replaced with another isn't particularly helpful without naming a successor. It help as other can then agree with your or say that something else is more worthy. I think this discussion comes up every time a new release gets close. Regards George -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs on Android source request
yes i saw this: This site offered the FlightGear (ProFl*Sim) package for Android until a few hours ago: http://de.appbrain.com/app/flightgear/com.flightgear Still this is online:http://de.appbrain.com/app/flight-gear/com.perfectflight let me know if anyone can buy it and show the source. I really was surprisedi never would have given this guy such programming knowledge.In fact i'd want to look at that but am currently stuck at native c++ glut via Android's NDK. Probably it would need to use the glut android port. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs on Android source request
On 20.02.2011 17:27, Michael Sgier wrote: let me know if anyone can buy it and show the source. I really was surprisedi never would have given this guy such programming knowledge. In fact i'd want to look at that but am currently stuck at native c++ glut via Android's NDK. Probably it would need to use the glut android port. Forget it. They haven't ported anything. It's a hoax. The user comment that Curt found said it all. The app merely takes you to their website - so you can buy another scam product. You don't want the source code of such a trivial app. cheers, Thorsten -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candiates
On Feb 20, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Harry Campigli wrote: Two things cross my mind, whilst I know the designers strive to model the true aerodynamics in the fdm. 1- how many fly these sims on realistic hardware? Would many even go as far as a set of imitation yoke and pedals? 2- I have spent some time in F28s set up for airport navaid calibration surveys in the past, No pax and no bags or cargo, not a lot of fuel onboard, and I have to tell you that aeroplane could really go!, those pilots could and would throw that thing all over the sky. There was never any hint of that performance riding in an F28 on normal passenger service. I suspect most people would run FG airliners without full weight and slack tanks which vastly alters the power to weight ratio of the aircraft. Harry This is very true. I've not explored the parameters of the 777 in FG, but if you fly the MD-81 with no passengers, 1200 lbs of fuel and crew weight, it is extremely different than flying with standard fuel load and passengers. Enough so that you can land, and take off, from the Nimitz. This is not as far-fetched as one may think. A good friend of mine is a 757 and 767 driver. Most takeoffs are all reduced power takeoffs, per airline spec's. He did a deadhead trip (empty) the other day, and just because he could as the captain, he choose to do a max power takeoff. He said you're doing 80 kts before you take a breath, and he was pulling the nose up through 30 degrees before deciding to pull the power back, as it just kept accelerating. The aircraft are built to the airline specifications, but within FAA parameters. The FAA specifies that at maximum gross weight the aircraft must be able to climb out over a 50 ft obstacle one engine (after V1). This means if you lose all other power and you've passed V1 (decision speed), you must be able to get over that tree that FG scenery planted just beyond the threshold. So now add back in the rest of the engines, dump the fuel and kick all the passengers off. Like Harry said, a passenger will never see any hint of the true performance. Airlines all have route planners, and provide a full flight chart to the pilots for each flight. This provides them with the best case for time and fuel burn. Accelerate at x power. Climb out rate, speed, and duration. Fuel burns to climb, cruise and descend. Descent rate, speed, power setting. This is all calculated on all factors - passenger load, fuel load, temperature, altitude, wind, etc. This is how the modern pilot tells you how many minutes to landing. It's not about 30 minutes, it's 27 minutes to touchdown. This is all planned out by the flight department before departure. Peter On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 8:16 PM, George Patterson george.patter...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:49 PM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote: Like we couldn't see this coming ;) As for the 777 , unrealistic according to who ? I'm not against changing it as one of the default aircraft , there are a lot of other great choices now , but I do get annoyed with these claims by armchair pilots who read it somewhere or saw it on youtube have you piloted one of these in real life ? If so , what could be improved ? When I get FACTS from REAL pilots , I tend to be all ears , there are too many self proclaimed experts to take everything I hear as fact. I've done a huge amount of research on that aircraft , but have never flown one , so I can't say with certainty how accurate the FDM is myself , but still I'd rather hear how it could fixed rather than a hazy '(the FDM is terribly unrealistic) While I am not a real world pilot, I also get annoyed at the subjective Blah is broken where blah is a feature on a particular aircraft. Better is an objective cruise speed of the aircraft at x,000 feet is 500 knots when it should be 520 knots. Note: I have plucked those figures out of the air for the discussion. However, the first statement is open to arguement and the next question of what and how is blah broken. The second example can be responded to as yes you are right the FDM is a little out or No, it's correct as cruise alttiude of air craft should be no higher than y,000 feet. As I deal with vauge user reports with as little information to go on as The Internet is broken, I am all for as much information as can be provided. Which application... the list goes on. Jack, I know you meant well but stating that an aircraft could be replaced with another isn't particularly helpful without naming a successor. It help as other can then agree with your or say that something else is more worthy. I think this discussion comes up every time a new release gets close. Regards George -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candiates
On Sun, 2011-02-20 at 12:46 -0500, Peter Brown wrote: This is very true. I've not explored the parameters of the 777 in FG, but if you fly the MD-81 with no passengers, 1200 lbs of fuel and crew weight, it is extremely different than flying with standard fuel load and passengers. Enough so that you can land, and take off, from the Nimitz. This is not as far-fetched as one may think. In fact this has been proposed for the F28; It was named the F-28 COD (Carrier On-board Delivery) http://eu.airliners.net/aviation-forums/military/read.main/43434/ Erik -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candiates
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:29:27 +0100, Erik wrote in message 1298230167.1769.4.camel@Raptor: On Sun, 2011-02-20 at 12:46 -0500, Peter Brown wrote: This is very true. I've not explored the parameters of the 777 in FG, but if you fly the MD-81 with no passengers, 1200 lbs of fuel and crew weight, it is extremely different than flying with standard fuel load and passengers. Enough so that you can land, and take off, from the Nimitz. This is not as far-fetched as one may think. In fact this has been proposed for the F28; It was named the F-28 COD (Carrier On-board Delivery) http://eu.airliners.net/aviation-forums/military/read.main/43434/ ...and appears to have come closer to reality than both the p1101 or the me262hg3, go for it. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default Aircraft Candiates
Memories, heres an old article on we we were doing in the F28s and airfield surveys, whilst off topic, it may be of interest. http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/Flying%20Unit%20navaid%20cal%20article%201990.htm Item 8 -- (8) good low speed handling and go-around performance from very low altitude; This i clearly remember like yesterday, sitting in the jump seat at the end of a VASI approach test, under full power doing 180 turnback to 1000 feet, cows beside the airstrip just below us, running in all directions with their tails wrapped up over their backs. It looked like we were going to put the wingtip up their backsides. We thought it was a hell of a joke, but the farmer I assume was not impressed. Harry On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:29:27 +0100, Erik wrote in message 1298230167.1769.4.camel@Raptor: On Sun, 2011-02-20 at 12:46 -0500, Peter Brown wrote: This is very true. I've not explored the parameters of the 777 in FG, but if you fly the MD-81 with no passengers, 1200 lbs of fuel and crew weight, it is extremely different than flying with standard fuel load and passengers. Enough so that you can land, and take off, from the Nimitz. This is not as far-fetched as one may think. In fact this has been proposed for the F28; It was named the F-28 COD (Carrier On-board Delivery) http://eu.airliners.net/aviation-forums/military/read.main/43434/ ...and appears to have come closer to reality than both the p1101 or the me262hg3, go for it. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
