Re: [Flightgear-devel] Built-in Svn client code crashing

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Just to check, is the built-in SVN code effectively replacing the 
external SVN code (from libsvn-dev), or does it add something?

Saikrishna Arcot

On Fri 20 Sep 2013 12:53:02 PM EDT, James Turner wrote:
> Hello,
>
> A few people have reported crashes when using the built-in SVN client code, 
> especially on Linux (and potentially Windows too, which would be a problem, 
> as we shall see). Thomas identified something strange relating to whether we 
> were using built-in or the system Expat XML parser, and I finally realised 
> the dumb thing I'd done, and have cleaned up the problem. Hence the 
> refactoring that occurred in SimGear last night, so that we cannot (anymore) 
> end up in a situation where we get the Expat headers and symbols from 
> mismatching locations.
>
> The guess/hope is that this was previously causing subtle memory corruption 
> due to internal differences in Expat. However, it can only have been an issue 
> on Linux, not Windows - since Windows will never have a system-supplied 
> version.
>
> So, as I've previously asked before, I really need people running from 'next' 
> to try with -DSG_SVN_CLIENT=1 when configuring SimGear, move their existing 
> TerraSync dir out the way, and test, test, test. I'm sure the new code isn't 
> 100% trouble free (in particular I think there is still the occasional time 
> when it gets stuck not doing any more downloads until FG is restarted), but I 
> really don't want to move forwards with the code until I have a bit more 
> assurance it's not going to make everyone's setup crash 80% of the time, 
> which is what some people have reported.
>
> Note this applies even if you 'don't use' terrasync since the SVN sync engine 
> is going to be used for other pieces of data as soon as it's stable. (I will 
> be adding a new preference to globally control whether FG works in 
> online/offline mode, of course)
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> Kind regards,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGFS 2.12 UBUNTU

[Saikrishna Arcot]

You need to first remove the older packages: sudo apt-get remove
flightgear simgear fgfs-base fgfs-models-base fgfs-scenery-base
fgfs-aircraft-*

On Wed 25 Sep 2013 05:48:35 PM EDT, Pedro Morgan wrote:
>
> Almost..
>
> Just got this message.. when installing the apt...
>
> E:
> /var/cache/apt/archives/flightgear-data-base_2.12.0-0ubuntu1~ppa3_all.deb:
> trying to overwrite
> '/usr/share/games/flightgear/Scenery/Terrain/w130n30/w123n37/942035.stg',
> which is also in package fgfs-scenery-base 2.10.0-0ppa3
>
>
> Not sure if this affects things...
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Jörg Emmerich  <mailto:j-emmer...@online.de>> wrote:
>
> Just because I opened this thread - let me close it:
> The PPA works beautiful now - thanks a million to Saikrishna.
>
> For details you may see
> http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=20884&p=190573#p190573
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGFS 2.12 UBUNTU

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Can you do a "sudo apt-get update" and then try it?

Saikrishna Arcot

On Mon 23 Sep 2013 11:57:06 AM EDT, Jörg Emmerich wrote:
> Sorry
> i overlooked that you wrote simgear must be removed too.
> I did now remove it and retried - same result
>
> "flightgear : Depends: flightgear-data-all (>= 2.12.0) but it is not
> going to be installed
> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGFS 2.12 UBUNTU

[Saikrishna Arcot]

There is, but I think I screwed something up in that list (my version 
condition might have been wrong).

Saikrishna Arcot

On Mon 23 Sep 2013 08:40:40 AM EDT, James Turner wrote:
>
> On 23 Sep 2013, at 12:31, Saikrishna Arcot  <mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> I've updated my PPA
>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Esaiarcot895/+archive/flightgear> to
>> FlightGear 2.12. See my forum post
>> <http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=20884> for
>> instructions on how to install 2.12.
>
> I guess .deb has no support for a 'replaces' list like RPM, so you
> can't name the old packages and hence make upgrade work?
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGFS 2.12 UBUNTU

[Saikrishna Arcot]

I've updated my PPA
<https://launchpad.net/%7Esaiarcot895/+archive/flightgear> to FlightGear
2.12. See my forum post
<http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=20884> for
instructions on how to install 2.12.

On Mon 23 Sep 2013 04:21:39 AM EDT, Jörg Emmerich wrote:
>
> Wonderful
> just saw for the first time the complete FGFS-packages in
> UBUNTU-Synaptik - just great! (I spotted it because it seems UBUNTU
> tried an automatic upgrade to 10.12 - and failed. So I removed all
> previously installed pieces and tried from scrap:)
>
> BUT sorry: The major "flightgear-data-all" says broken/missing, although
> the dependencies
> database
> data-ai
> data-aircrafts
> data-models
> look ok
>
> Do I need some more things? e.g. Terrasync and/or OpenRTI? Both of those
> are not in UBUNTU Synaptic.
> Still a great beginning - many will be glad to see that!
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGFS 2.12 UBUNTU

[Saikrishna Arcot]

If you are referring to my FlightGear PPA, then there is a problem upgrading to 
2.12. I had tried the upgrade, but seeing that it failed, I then disabled the 
PPA in the hopes that no one else would get the buggy packages. I should have a 
fix out within hours.

"Jörg Emmerich"  wrote:
>Wonderful
>just saw for the first time the complete FGFS-packages in
>UBUNTU-Synaptik - just great! (I spotted it because it seems UBUNTU
>tried an automatic upgrade to 10.12 - and failed. So I removed all
>previously installed pieces and tried from scrap:)
>
>BUT sorry: The major "flightgear-data-all" says broken/missing,
>although
>the dependencies
> database
> data-ai
> data-aircrafts
> data-models
>look ok
>
>Do I need some more things? e.g. Terrasync and/or OpenRTI? Both of
>those
>are not in UBUNTU Synaptic.
>  Still a great beginning - many will be glad to see that!
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft - impressions on a new PC

[Saikrishna Arcot]

It wasn't that the IAR80 was inactive. The main developer removed the 
aircraft from the repo due to conflicts about weather rendering (or 
something along those lines).

Saikrishna Arcot

On Tue 10 Sep 2013 01:58:19 AM EDT, Michael wrote:
> +1 Thanks.
>
> Did a fresh install and needed all day to get ~7GB of aircrafts only
> to find that my most loved the IAR 80 has gone.-
>
> Who was ridden by hell to remove the best airplane? 90% off all
> aircrafts could be moved to inactive as they didn't see
> more than a added gauge for the last years.- GPL doesn't need to be
> removed but rather we need a category "inactive" or so.
> Also a search by name, as I needed scrolling aircrafts for 10 minutes.
>
> Even on my new Haswell with a GTX 770 I only get 9FPS on a deserted
> airport.- But with that machine I can even
> max out FSX.
>
> Also no 850 apt.dat integration and I didn't use fgfs for a year or so.
>
> Cheers Michael
>
>
>
> 
>
> On 09/03/2013 03:28 PM, James Turner wrote:
> > For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the size of
> > the Git repo is indeed a big problem.
>
> A huge +1 with my packager's hat on.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Saikrishna Arcot]

The answer was posted a while back. In the short term (immediately), 
the only ways to get the full fgdata bundle is to either use git or 
download the 5 GB bundle and update from that, both of which are not 
possible*. In the long term, according to James, the repo will be 
reorganized such that the sizes are smaller.

*: Technically, a torrent download of the bundle would allow you pause 
and resume, so if there are cut-outs, you won't have to restart. That 
being said, downloading 5 GB on a phone line will take a long time (a 
week?).

Saikrishna Arcot

On Tue 03 Sep 2013 11:44:32 AM EDT, grtuxhangar team wrote:
> Hello,
> Are n't you missing some understanding ? or did  my question was
> "middle ages" ?
>  To you,  how long does it takes to download 5 GB  with a simple
> phone  line ?  guessing there is not any cut out during the time.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ahmad
>
>
> On 3 September 2013 16:58, Arnt Karlsen  <mailto:a...@iaksess.no>> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:28:21 +0100, James wrote in message
> <4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com
> <mailto:4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com>>:
>
> >
> > On 3 Sep 2013, at 14:13, grtuxhangar team  <mailto:hohora...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be
> > > downloaded easily ? Or is there any other way with Git which is
> > > similar to the old way with "snapshot."  ?
> >
> > For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the
> size
> > of the Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become
> > truly optional, and others will be downloaded in different ways.
> >
> > However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a short
> > term answer.
>
> ..a short term answer would be do a wget -c fgdata.bundle, the
> git bundle dance and then do a git pull to make gitorius happy,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git

[Saikrishna Arcot]

There is a torrent version of the ~5GB fgdata.bundle, but unless it's 
been updated, it's about a year old. It might be time to make a new 
bundle.

As of April 28, my personal version of the fgdata.bundle was 5.8 GB.

Saikrishna Arcot

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> On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:28:21 +0100, James wrote in message
> <4c5262ae-653a-475f-ad09-91fe74617...@mac.com>:
>
>>
>> On 3 Sep 2013, at 14:13, grtuxhangar team  wrote:
>>
>>> How could we have FGData split  in several part  which can be
>>> downloaded easily ? Or is there any other way with Git which is
>>> similar to the old way with "snapshot."  ?
>>
>> For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the size
>> of the Git repo is indeed a big problem. Some pieces will become
>> truly optional, and others will be downloaded in different ways.
>>
>> However this is all for the future, I'm afraid I don't have a short
>> term answer.
>
> ..a short term answer would be do a wget -c fgdata.bundle, the
> git bundle dance and then do a git pull to make gitorius happy,
> but do we still have such fgdata.bundle animals anywhere?
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cloud turbulence

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My guess is that the size/density of the cloud will have to be 
calculated for the turbulence to be even close of realistic.

Also, I believe the next version is 3.0.0.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Thu 29 Aug 2013 04:52:48 PM EDT, Cole Johnson wrote:
> Does FlightGear currently "support" cloud turbulence? You know, like
> when you go through a cumulus cloud, there's /a lot/ of turbulence?
> Well, IIRC, FlightGear doesn't support have any.
>
> It shouldn't be that hard to add. Just check if the plane is in a
> cloud, and if so, mess with the flight dynamics or something. I don't
> know too much about how it would work, and I haven't scrounged through
> the source code enough to understand what everything generally does,
> but I'm willing to help if needed.
>
> Maybe we could add this to FlightGear 2.14 or 3.00?
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.12 is branched

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Erm...shouldn't there be a RC version released sometime around now, since
the final version will be released in just over a week?
On Aug 3, 2013 3:50 AM, "James Turner"  wrote:

>
> On 3 Aug 2013, at 04:27, Saikrishna Arcot  wrote:
>
> Actually, scratch that; it seems FlightGear allows the --fg-aircraft
> switch to specify multiple root aircraft directories, although the man page
> needs to be updated to specify this (it currently says it's only used by
> UIUC).
>
>
> I added that feature quite a few versions ago, looks like the man page
> needs to be refreshed :)
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.12 is branched

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Actually, scratch that; it seems FlightGear allows the --fg-aircraft switch
to specify multiple root aircraft directories, although the man page needs
to be updated to specify this (it currently says it's only used by UIUC).


Saikrishna Arcot


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:

> That might help, or the ability to specify multiple directories for the
> aircraft, like how it's done with scenery. If need be, I can have just
> FlightGear for Ubuntu built with a patch to allow multiple directories for
> aircraft.
>
>
> Saikrishna Arcot
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Pat  wrote:
>
>> Would some sort of user data directory help with this?
>> Can this be done on ubuntu?
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 21:16:50 -0500
>> Saikrishna Arcot  wrote:
>>
>> > For what it's worth, I have a
>> > PPA<https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear-prerel>that
>> > is tracking the 2.12.0 branch that includes the default aircraft and a
>> > few other aircraft that can be used by Ubuntu and other distros that
>> > use/allow Ubuntu's repos and/or PPAs. However, it installs these
>> > files to /usr/games and /usr/share/games, which some people frown
>> > upon because it doesn't allow easy changes.
>> >
>> >
>> > Saikrishna Arcot
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Gijs de Rooy 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > is there any news on release candidates? I think we did find a few
>> > > serious bugs last
>> > > year when people tried the RCs, so we'd better start distributing
>> > > them before the
>> > > end of this week...
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > >
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.12 is branched

[Saikrishna Arcot]

That might help, or the ability to specify multiple directories for the
aircraft, like how it's done with scenery. If need be, I can have just
FlightGear for Ubuntu built with a patch to allow multiple directories for
aircraft.


Saikrishna Arcot


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Pat  wrote:

> Would some sort of user data directory help with this?
> Can this be done on ubuntu?
>
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 21:16:50 -0500
> Saikrishna Arcot  wrote:
>
> > For what it's worth, I have a
> > PPA<https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear-prerel>that
> > is tracking the 2.12.0 branch that includes the default aircraft and a
> > few other aircraft that can be used by Ubuntu and other distros that
> > use/allow Ubuntu's repos and/or PPAs. However, it installs these
> > files to /usr/games and /usr/share/games, which some people frown
> > upon because it doesn't allow easy changes.
> >
> >
> > Saikrishna Arcot
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Gijs de Rooy 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > is there any news on release candidates? I think we did find a few
> > > serious bugs last
> > > year when people tried the RCs, so we'd better start distributing
> > > them before the
> > > end of this week...
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Gijs
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.12 is branched

[Saikrishna Arcot]

For what it's worth, I have a
PPA<https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear-prerel>that
is tracking the 2.12.0 branch that includes the default aircraft and a
few other aircraft that can be used by Ubuntu and other distros that
use/allow Ubuntu's repos and/or PPAs. However, it installs these files to
/usr/games and /usr/share/games, which some people frown upon because it
doesn't allow easy changes.


Saikrishna Arcot


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Gijs de Rooy  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> is there any news on release candidates? I think we did find a few serious
> bugs last
> year when people tried the RCs, so we'd better start distributing them
> before the
> end of this week...
>
> Cheers,
> Gijs
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Positioning Aircraft: accuracy

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If it helps, when building Flightgear, I get compile warnings saying
that there's a narrowing conversion from double to float in some YASim
methods:
|flightgear/src/FDM/YASim/YASim.cxx:261:30: warning: narrowing
conversion of
‘((YASim*)this)->YASim::.FGInterface::get_uBody()’ from
‘double’ to ‘float’ inside { } is ill-formed in C++11 [-Wnarrowing]||
||flightgear/src/FDM/YASim/YASim.cxx:261:43: warning: narrowing
conversion of
‘((YASim*)this)->YASim::.FGInterface::get_vBody()’ from
‘double’ to ‘float’ inside { } is ill-formed in C++11 [-Wnarrowing]||
||flightgear/src/FDM/YASim/YASim.cxx:261:56: warning: narrowing
conversion of
‘((YASim*)this)->YASim::.FGInterface::get_wBody()’ from
‘double’ to ‘float’ inside { } is ill-formed in C++11 [-Wnarrowing]|



On Sun 23 Jun 2013 06:09:32 PM CDT, Curtis Olson wrote:
>
> The hang glider is using the UIUC fdm, right? Perhaps that is using a
> float (6-7 digits of precision) to represent it's initial conditions
> ... or somewhere in the startup pipeline or the flightgear interface
> to the uiuc model, the initial lon/lat is stored as a float?
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 5:27 PM, D-NXKT  <mailto:d_n...@yahoo.de>> wrote:
>
> Hmm, everything is fine if I use a different plane. Seems to be a hang
> glider specific problem.
> Monitoring the latitude and longitude variabel from the very beginning
> shows, that both variables have at first indeed the correct
> values. Then
> the latitude value suddenly jumps from 47.306263 to 47.306206.
>
> Sorry for the noise.
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Benchmark matrix

[Saikrishna Arcot]

You could use one of the 777's as a heavy aircraft.

Also, what about performance with different views (pilot view vs chase 
view), and having the panel open vs. closed in pilot view?

Saikrishna Arcot

On Fri 21 Jun 2013 03:16:36 PM CDT, Christopher Andrews wrote:
> On 22/06/13 02:08, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 01:11:39 +1000, Christopher wrote in message
>> <51c46d2b.8060...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On 21/06/13 21:26, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:20:03 -0700 (PDT), geneb wrote in message
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jun 2013, Alan Teeder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of all this mudslinging about what slows what on which
>>>>>> processor, could some thought be given to producing a benchmark
>>>>>> suite for Flightgear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would need to take in all of the, by now well known, variables
>>>>>> - making it by no means a simple beast to manage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this could be automated in some way it would be much easier to
>>>>>> capture, and then submit, consistent data.
>>>>>>
>>>>> A scripted run would be an EXCELLENT tool.
>>>> ..aye, and a scripted run can be set up to play all the tricks,
>>>> even if it needs to run FG several times to e.g. reset the graphics,
>>>> and it can be set up to finish the run by offering to upload
>>>> the results automatically. :o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Actually this is probably in my interests, I'm improving the concorde
>>> (3D cockpit, less laggy nasal, autopilot - slowly) but I have fairly
>>> powerful hardware so I'd like to know how much of what I do affects
>>> other users.
>>>
>>> A long time ago, I remember using this to try and figure out why I
>>> was getting 10fps on a nvidia GTX470 with the lowest settings and
>>> default renderer (I was accidently running a debug build):
>>> http://wiki.flightgear.org/Howto:Debugging_FlightGear_Crashes#Minimal_Startup_Profile
>>>
>>> I might come up with a dash script that tests things in different
>>> areas with different settings, But that will only be helpful on
>>> linux.
>> ..if you specify your FG commandlines, the Windroids will have a
>> starting point, if they manage to come up with something that works
>> on Mac 'n Linux too, we will be able to get a benchmark that fits
>> all supported platforms.
>>
>>> I'll probably just use the telnet server to pull the property
>>> tree frame rates/spacing I haven't used it yet but I imagine it would
>>> be quite easy).
>> ..easier than e.g. wget on FG's web property server???  Might unduly
>> disadvantage Wintendo, they do have Microsoft Internet Explorer built
>> right into their "os", and they may be able to script that too, and
>> on benchmarking FG, we want the truth, and we wanna be conservative
>> and err on the side of caution. ;o)
>>
> To be honest I have never used the FG telnet/HTTP server so I didn't
> think about the HTTP part. I'll look at getting some type of script
> running tomorrow, I suppose if I get real creative and use msys/mingw I
> could probably get it cross-platform too (you mac guys should already
> have everything I need), but running linux, I'll try for that first.
>
> I'll need to come up with a long line of tests, Eg something like the
> minimal startup profile in the middle of the ocean and then test
> individual things like 3d clouds, the quality slider thing, random
> buildings/trees, advanced weather, different aircraft (compare ufo to
> concorde and you will see - but something in the default package), and
> then test it all again with rembrandt.
>
> I might also come up with an "aircraft" tester to see how different
> planes affect frame rates.
>
> Also there are strange things with my computer, Running rembrandt with
> all the effects off (it's probably just shadows) actually feels faster
> than the default renderer. Also either random buildings or random trees
> brings my computer to it's knees when flying around a populated area
> like hawaii, but I won't speculate anymore, I'll just wait until I come
> up with a script and see if it's what you guys are after.
>
> Feel free to suggest different tests for me to try.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Scenery "Terrain Object" ignored at load

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Use "git log --before -MM-DD --after -MM-DD" to see the comment 
of the change, commit ID, and the date the change was made. You can 
leave out before or after switch if you want to. Then use the commit ID 
in "git reset --hard ". You only need the last 7 characters 
of the commit ID. This changes your working tree to match the tree 
after the commit.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Thu 20 Jun 2013 06:09:02 PM CDT, grtuxhangar team wrote:
> Hello, again my question
>
> Help
>
> What is the right git command line.? to get the git content at a
> specific date
>
> Ahmad
>
>
>
> On 20 June 2013 19:41, grtuxhangar team  <mailto:hohora...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I'll have some free time along the end of that week, i could try
> to build some versions.
>
> However,  to get the Git content  at a specific date , is beyond
> my expertise.
>
> What is the right git command.
>
> Thank
> Ahmad
>
>
> On 20 June 2013 15:53, James Turner  <mailto:zakal...@mac.com>> wrote:
>
>
> On 20 Jun 2013, at 14:44, grtuxhangar team
> mailto:hohora...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> We have a FG Git built working  version  which is Feb the 17,
>> versus a next FG Git built version NOT working which is March
>> the 20.
>>
>> Sorry we can't be more precise.
>
> Okay, that's still a good narrowing of possible changes, thanks.
>
> If anyone wants to experiment within that range, it would be
> much appreciated. I'll eyeball the relevant commit logs over
> the next few days and see if I can spot anything.
>
> James
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] reminder: entering feature freeze now

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On an Intel HD 3000 Integrated Graphics Card with Mesa (note that Intel
is generally worse than Nvidia and AMD), I have roughly the same frame
rates with ALS on and with ALS off; it doesn't seem to make much of a
difference in terms of frame rates. That being said, in both cases, my
frame rates on the ground are less than 10 and frame rates in the sky
are around 15-20, with some pauses (when it is loading scenery or
reading airport files, I'm assuming). This seems smooth to me.

Saikrishna Arcot

On 06/20/2013 10:55 AM, grtuxhangar team wrote:
> Oh, yes there is also computers  which can't  run FG 2.00  , i have inherited 
> a computer
with  nvidia 6200  AGP  which  run only  FG 1.00.
> But you will say i (we)  am (are) not representative of  the FG users 
world only an exception, ... anybody is an exception.
>
> I guess the professional you are has done statistics about the FG
users world, thus you are able to be more precise about those
unfortunate users who are getting only "the single frame per second",
which hardware? which operating systems ?
>
> Since, sorry at the moment your feeling ( only feeling ) does not
convince me.
>
> Regarding ALS i never said we must have the entire ALS  pack with
Rembrandt , we should be able to split it in order to choose which part
is good and working  for the user.
>
> We had at the beginning ( 2 years ago) a nice sky which was working
for me and for the others friends.
>
> Unfortunately,  along these running months (2 years)  up to now the
features which were introduced have broken any possibility to use it.
>
> The last significant was to break some models effects ( mostly those
with shaders and rivets bumping) , when we can run it.
> ( refer to the last ALS topic  i gave  example ).
>
> Best
> Ahmad
>
>
>
>
> On 20 June 2013 16:46, Renk Thorsten mailto:thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi>> wrote:
>
> > Referring to my poor experience with these two computers , i
conclude , i
> > can accept a decrease of performance, without loosing any FG
facility.
> > I'll be far from "the single frame per second" your are talking
about.
>
> First of all, there are people who get a single frame per second
with Rembrandt and have said so on this list or in the forum, the fact
that you get decent performance doesn't mean that everyone does so as
well. We're not developing FG for you personally, there are other users
as well. Kindly take note of that.
>
> Second, according to what you wrote here on this list, ALS is
unusably slow for you. That won't change when you run it under the
Rembrandt rendering framework because you have to run pretty much the
same operations, just inserted into different stages of the rendering
process. Thus, if the algorithms of ALS are unusably slow now, they will
remain so if you run them under Rembrandt. Despite of what you may
think, Rembrandt is not a magic tool making everything run faster -
deferred rendering has specific advantages over the default (e.g. for
multiple light sources for instance) and specific disadvantages (e.g. no
acceleration due to interpolation across triangles for a coarse mesh as
for terrain).
>
> Please go back and read what I wrote and try to understand how
deferred rendering works before continuing this discussion, otherwise
it's a waste of everyone's time.
>
> > Hum, Given your answer, you have probably some personal memory leak.
>
> I'd appreciate if you could refrain from any more insulting
language if you want to continue this conversation.
>
> * Thorsten
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] reminder: entering feature freeze now

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Once the version has been decided, will the branches be created?

Saikrishna Arcot

On Mon 17 Jun 2013 01:59:47 PM CDT, Torsten Dreyer wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> for most of us, it's June, 17th which marks the day for the feature
> freeze period, lasting until July, 17th.
>
> Everybody is invited to walk through the lessons learned section of our
> release plan at
> http://wiki.flightgear.org/Release_plan
>
> the bugtracker at
> http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/
>
> and contribute to the changelog for the next release at
> http://wiki.flightgear.org/Next_Changelog
>
> As of today, the set of new features should be complete. The usual
> question at this point is: What version number will we give to the new
> release?
> Are we ready for a 3.0 or is it 2.12?
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot, Way point, GPS definitively broken ?

[Saikrishna Arcot]

The autopilot and route manager are working for me in Boeing 777-200, 
but the airport/waypoint lookup box in the GPS window is missing.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Sun 16 Jun 2013 07:09:22 AM CDT, grtuxhangar team wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For the record
> With FG Git :
> I cannot get working the autopilot with the route manager, we had an
> automatic update of the autopilot box , by getting a GPS button , when
> a way point was activated within the route manager.
> That feature is not longer working.
> We had within the GPS box ( menu equipment gps ) , within closest or
> search by name , the required airport id.
> That feature is not longer working
>
> Thank
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[Flightgear-devel] Winds Aloft data

[Saikrishna Arcot]

In the Fetch live aloft data
 instructions,
the Jeppesen weather service is used. However, the weather data is no
longer free, and the article needs to be updated. The NOAA's Aviation
Weather Center has free text winds aloft data for all available airports
in one URL. However, the format used here is different than the format
used in the script. Could someone update the wiki page to use the format
used by the NOAA? I've made a command to get the text weather data from
the page:

|wget --quiet --output-document=-
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Some Help

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(I'm assuming the basics of Mac are the same as Linux.)

If you are copying the files to a system directory (basically anywhere
outside your Home directory), you'll need to use sudo in Terminal.

Alternatively (at least for the scenery), you can tell FlightGear to use
scenery that are located elsewhere in addition to the included aircraft
and scenery. To do this, when running FlightGear, for the fg-scenery
parameter, append your scenery directory with a colon. For example, you
would type fgfs --fg-scenery=:.
Replace  with the path to the base scenery, and
 with the path to your scenery. Note that the given
folders must have the folders Airport, Objects, and/or Terrain.

On Sun 09 Jun 2013 09:09:04 PM CDT, Ante Cugura wrote:
>
> Dear FlightGear Team,
>
> I am a twelve-year-old airplane fan, and have just downloaded the
> FlightGear software. I use a MacBook Air laptop, which uses the Mac OS
> X software.
>
> However, I would like to download extra planes and scenery so I can
> have more fun playing with the simulator. Even after following all the
> instructions that it tells me on your wiki pages and on your website,
> nothing has provided me with the help that I need. I am able to
> download the files themselves that I want, but I am not able to drag
> them into any of the FlightGear software folders, which is what I
> suspect needs to be able to happen in order for me to access the
> scenery and aircraft when I use the simulator.
>
> It would be much appreciated if you could provide some assisstance
> with my problems using FlightGear.
>
> Kind Regards,
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> Email: ante...@hotmail.com
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Automatic value copying in Internal Properties browser

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Ignore the message. It seems that FlightGear didn't copy the value that 
time, but seems to be working fine now.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Sun 09 Jun 2013 05:25:53 PM CDT, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
> It seems that in the latest git version, when clicking on a value in the
> Internal Properties browser, the value no longer automatically gets
> copied into the text box. This makes it a little hard to slightly
> change, for example, the position of the aircraft.
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[Flightgear-devel] Automatic value copying in Internal Properties browser

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It seems that in the latest git version, when clicking on a value in the
Internal Properties browser, the value no longer automatically gets
copied into the text box. This makes it a little hard to slightly
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Base fgdata

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The primary increase seems to be in Textures.high/Terrain. In 2.10.0,
the size of the folder was 181 MB, while in the current git version, the
size of the folder is 300 MB. Some of the increases seem to be png
versions of dds texture files and to autumn versions of the textures.
The next big increase seems to be in Textures.high/Terrain.winter, with
folder sizes of 36 MB vs 51.6 MB. The poi.dat.gz is 11 MB. The Models
folder seems to have actually decreased in size by 7 MB (234 MB vs 227 MB).

On Sat 08 Jun 2013 04:37:03 AM CDT, James Turner wrote:
>
>
> On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:28, Saikrishna Arcot  wrote:
>
>>
>> Is it just me, or has the base fgdata package size increased since
>> 2.10.0?
>
>
> Do you mean some substantial change in size? That might indicate a bug
> in the rsync rule which generates the base package.
>
> Some comparison of contents would be useful.
>
> The one thing I'm aware of is the addition of poi.dat.gz, which is a
> few megabytes I think.
>
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Is it just me, or has the base fgdata package size increased since 2.10.0?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updating Flightgear and Simgear Shared Builds

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I'm just being cautious. Currently, I'm rebuilding Flightgear after 
every Simgear update, but if it's not necessary, then I can get rid of 
a rebuild.

Using ldd, it does seem that it's considering Simgear as a dependency, 
so it seems safe to not do a rebuild.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Sat 01 Jun 2013 11:30:45 AM CDT, James Turner wrote:
>
> On 1 Jun 2013, at 16:33, Saikrishna Arcot  wrote:
>
>> If a shared build of Flightgear and Simgear is done, and Simgear is
>> updated, then does Flightgear need to be rebuilt?
>
> Technically, no, however the shared Simgear option exists originally as a 
> help for developers (to reduce my linking times with fgfs when rebuilding). 
> So while it ought to work, we've never explicitly made any guarantees in this 
> area.
>
> Equally, I don't know of any technical reason it would be a problem (assuming 
> simgear_config.h matches the build simgear library)
>
> Are you asking because you've tried and it doesn't work, or just being 
> cautious?
>
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[Flightgear-devel] Updating Flightgear and Simgear Shared Builds

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If a shared build of Flightgear and Simgear is done, and Simgear is
updated, then does Flightgear need to be rebuilt?

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[Flightgear-devel] Atmospheric Light Scattering during nighttime and the Sun

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Hi,

Photos:
https://plus.google.com/photos/103387392510447269112/albums/5879491608548672161?authkey=CK30jsGwlYPEwgE

By any chance, is this a bug when using atmospheric light scattering?
This was taken over the east US, and local time was around 8 PM. The sun
appears to show from below the ground. I have an Intel GPU, though, so
it could very well be the GPU's fault.

That being said, in the third picture, it appears that the sun halo is
blocked in regions where tiles are loaded, so I might have to increase
the draw distance. Is there a way to do this?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Current git broken

[Saikrishna Arcot]

In flightgear, commit 915626a (from May 11) with simgear d18cc81 
compiled on Ubuntu. The current git revision for flightgear is ff902e5 
(simgear is the same).

Saikrishna Arcot

On Sun 12 May 2013 10:59:03 AM CDT, Guy Brand wrote:
> Hello
>
>
> Current git revision (simgear + flightgear + fgdata) of flightgear does
> not compile and raises an error:
>
> [ 38%] Building CXX object 
> src/Main/CMakeFiles/fgfs.dir/__/Canvas/gui_mgr.cxx.o
> /home/flightgear/src/Canvas/gui_mgr.cxx: In member function ‘bool 
> GUIMgr::handleMouse(const osgGA::GUIEventAdapter&)’:
> /home/flightgear/src/Canvas/gui_mgr.cxx:297:48: error: no matching function 
> for call to ‘simgear::canvas::MouseEvent::MouseEvent(const 
> osgGA::GUIEventAdapter&)’
>sc::MouseEventPtr event(new sc::MouseEvent(ea));
> ^
> /home/flightgear/src/Canvas/gui_mgr.cxx:297:48: note: candidates are:
> In file included from /home/flightgear/src/Canvas/window.hxx:23:0,
>  from /home/flightgear/src/Canvas/gui_mgr.cxx:20:
> /usr/include/simgear/canvas/MouseEvent.hxx:34:7: note: 
> simgear::canvas::MouseEvent::MouseEvent()
>MouseEvent():
>^
> /usr/include/simgear/canvas/MouseEvent.hxx:34:7: note:   candidate expects 0 
> arguments, 1 provided
> /usr/include/simgear/canvas/MouseEvent.hxx:30:9: note: 
> simgear::canvas::MouseEvent::MouseEvent(const simgear::canvas::MouseEvent&)
>class MouseEvent:
>  ^
> /usr/include/simgear/canvas/MouseEvent.hxx:30:9: note:   no known conversion 
> for argument 1 from ‘const osgGA::GUIEventAdapter’ to ‘const 
> simgear::canvas::MouseEvent&’
> make[2]: *** [src/Main/CMakeFiles/fgfs.dir/__/Canvas/gui_mgr.cxx.o] Error 1
> make[1]: *** [src/Main/CMakeFiles/fgfs.dir/all] Error 2
> make: *** [all] Error 2
>
>
> Reverting commit d9881ae[1] fixes the problem.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Atmospheric Light Scattering

[Saikrishna Arcot]

He's asking you from what view you take the screenshot. Do you take it 
in the fly-by view? Do you take it in the model view? What is the 
zoom/FOV that you use?

There are several ways/views from which I can take a screenshot of a 
Boeing 777. I can take it from the model view, where I'm positioned 
right behind and above the plane with a zoom/FOV of 40. I can take it 
from the co-pilot's seat looking at the cockpit panel. I can take it 
from a passenger seat looking at the left wing.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Thu 02 May 2013 11:20:11 AM CDT, grtuxhangar team wrote:
> Hi Arnt
>
> Sorry i don't understand your question.
> Screenshot is screenshot  of your  FG SCREEN  , nothing else.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ahmad
>
>
> On 2 May 2013 17:07, Arnt Karlsen  <mailto:a...@iaksess.no>> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2 May 2013 12:57:00 +0200, grtuxhangar wrote in message
>  <mailto:y7k9d-%2b2o9v461al4b59cgt...@mail.gmail.com>>:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > If i have offended somebody with my not fluent English, my
> apologizes
> > for it.
> >
> > No i/(we)  don't use Google , there is not any (free)  good
> > translator from English to several language including those
> > officially in use in the middle east and north-africa.
> >
> >
> > Anyhow, i was surprised by the Arnt question regarding: how to get a
> > screenshot.
>
> ..one final chance: Think of the F3 button as you do with your camera
> trigger button, and think of your "mainframe" and FG as "your camera."
>
> ..now, whenever you take a picture camera, you first aim your camera
> towards whatever you want to take a picture of, then you push down
> the camera's "F3" trigger button to actually take the picture and
> record it onto disk or film.
>
> ..so, my question is, _how_ do you aim your "camera"?
>
>
> > Ahmad
> >
> >
> > On 2 May 2013 11:01, TDO Brandano  <mailto:tdo_brand...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > I strongly suspect we need a French interpreter. Google
> translate is
> > > obviously failing to properly traduce the more nuanced
> meanings and
> > > contexts.
> > > Arnt said: just pressing F3, as you said you did, will produce a
> > > picture of the Cessna C172 on the KSFO runway. There are other
> > > settings used to start Flightgear and prepare the scene. To
> > > replicate the same problem we need the entire setup for each
> > > screenshot. He never claimed that F3 was a custom screenshot
> button.
> > > That single "your" was a synthesis for "Using just F3 as you
> said",
> > > and would be obvious to anyone using the English language
> > > regularly. Now, I am the first saying that English is not a very
> > > pretty language. But it is effective in helping communication,
> > > because compared to most other options it is fairly easy to learn.
> > > It still baffles me that there are people working with computers
> > > around the globe that stubbornly refuse to even attempt to learn a
> > > little English out of pure campanilism.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 02:00:29 +0200
> > > From: hohora...@gmail.com <mailto:hohora...@gmail.com>
> > > To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Atmospheric Light Scattering
> > >
> > > Arnt
> > >
> > > Oh sorry , i  thought you were using FG for years.
> > > I know at the beginning we could have some problem.
> > >
> > >
> > > NO it is not MY F3 KEY it is an FG feature Key.
> > >
> > >
> > > Just look at the fgdata/keyboard.xml  content.
> > >
> > > you will notice at the line 1134
> > > the key
> > >  
> > >   F3
> > >   Capture screen
> > >
> > > That file is very useful to understand what are the specific keys
> > > within FG.
> > >
> > > That is.
> > >
> > > Ahmad
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2 May 2013 00:39, Arnt Karlsen  <mailto:a...@iaksess.no>> wrote:
> > >
>

[Flightgear-devel] 2.10.1

[Saikrishna Arcot]

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Are there still any plans to release a 2.10.1?

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[Flightgear-devel] Linux nightly builds

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I'm working in a local version of Jenkins to set up a nightly build for
Linux Ubuntu and allow them to be uploaded to a PPA, so that
non-developers can test the nightly builds. Since Launchpad doesn't
allow pre-built debs, I'm planning on doing a test build to make sure it
compiles in the first place and then uploading the source code to
Launchpad for it to compile. Eventually, I'm hoping that the official
releases can be prepared and uploaded to Launchpad from Jenkins itself.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Improved usability

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I haven't tried the latest Git, but just in my opinion, if using 
Flightgear on a laptop, holding-down right-click to pan around can be 
bit of a pain. I would personally rather have the click-move-click 
method.

Then again, not that many people probably use Flightgear on a laptop, 
and I haven't tried the latest Git.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Thu 11 Apr 2013 04:29:09 PM CDT, Stuart Buchanan wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> This is superb work.  I've just taken a flight in the c172p to try out
> the new features, and I'm very impressed.
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:48 AM, James Turner wrote:
>> - made a 'right-drag to look' mouse mode, which I think should be on 
>> by default (with the current behaviour available for people who prefer it). 
>> Also there is now visual feedback when changing the mouse mode 'statefully', 
>> which is still available via the TAB key in addition to right-clicking.
>
> Though I'm a dyed-in-the-wool mouse-looker who continually switched
> between cursor and mouse-look, I'm completely converted to this way of
> looking - way more intuitive IMO and really easy for users to learn.
>
> One minor suggestion - I used the mouse wheel field-of-view control a
> lot when in look mode.  Having it change the field of view while the
> right mouse button is pressed would be good.
>
>> - made dedicated animation components for knobs / sliders, with 
>> unified handling of buttons / mouse wheel / dragging.
>
> I particularly like how this reduces XML file complexity.
>
>> - added tooltips, and hover-feedback for pickable areas in cockpits
>
> I'm seeing some bugs in this, in particular after hovering over some
> control in the c172p (possibly the alitmeter?) I got "Aircraft Help"
> displayed as all tooltips, and the following errors in the console:
>
> Nasal runtime error: nil used in numeric context
>   at /home/stuart/FlightGear/data/Nasal/geo.nas, line 241
>   called from: /home/stuart/FlightGear/data/Nasal/canvas/tooltip.nas, line 167
>   called from: /home/stuart/FlightGear/data/Nasal/canvas/tooltip.nas, line 119
>   called from: /home/stuart/FlightGear/data/Nasal/canvas/tooltip.nas, line 91
>   called from: /home/stuart/FlightGear/data/Nasal/canvas/tooltip.nas, line 270
>   called from: /home/stuart/FlightGear/data/Nasal/canvas/tooltip.nas, line 313
>
> geo.normgeg should probably be more robust
>
> As a "bonus" function, for multi-mode toggle switches, it would be
> great to be able to define labels for different values (e.g. 0=OFF,
> 1=ON)
>
>
>> For more complex aircraft such as the Constellation, Concorde or 747, adding 
>> tooltips will be a lot of work, but greatly assist in figuring out what 
>> everything does.
>
> Well, such is the price of progress.
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Translations

[Saikrishna Arcot]

As per https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/LicensingFAQ upstream
translations will still be under the project license.

On 4/4/13, Saikrishna Arcot  wrote:
> So the XML files cannot be converted to PO/POT?
>
> What if the headings (the XML tags in this case) were taken from the
> file and used in the translation files? But then it would probably
> still be under the GPL license.
>
> On 4/4/13, TDO Brandano  wrote:
>> Actually, the BSD licence is less restrictive than the GPL and can be
>> included in GPL projects. Essentially BSD does allow to relicence under
>> GPL
>> and doesn't pose additional restrictions that would not be compatible
>> with
>> the GPL. What is not possible, and what might be a problem here, is
>> deriving
>> work from the original FlightGear GPL content and releasing the
>> derivative
>> under a BSD licence. The problem here are the PO/POT files obtained from
>> the
>> FlightGear XML.
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 06:17:30 -0700
>>> From: ge...@deltasoft.com
>>> To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Translations
>>>
>>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>> > Hash: SHA1
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > I saw that Flightgear is only translated into eight languages, and am
>>> > planning to upload the translation files to Launchpad to allow
>>> > translators to translate them into other languages. I will have to
>>> > manually convert the XML files into PO/POT files for Launchpad to use
>>> > and will convert them back into XML. The translations will be released
>>> > under a BSD license, so (from what I understand) it's at least
>>> > partially
>>> > compatible with GPL. Do I have permission to upload the translations
>>> > to
>>> > Launchpad to allow other translators to work on them? Also, can only
>>> > languages that use the Latin script (not Chinese, Russian, etc.) be
>>> > used
>>> > in Flightgear?
>>> >
>>> It's my understanding that for something to be included in the main
>>> FlightGear distribution, it must be licensed under the GPL.
>>>
>>> g.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Translations

[Saikrishna Arcot]

So the XML files cannot be converted to PO/POT?

What if the headings (the XML tags in this case) were taken from the
file and used in the translation files? But then it would probably
still be under the GPL license.

On 4/4/13, TDO Brandano  wrote:
> Actually, the BSD licence is less restrictive than the GPL and can be
> included in GPL projects. Essentially BSD does allow to relicence under GPL
> and doesn't pose additional restrictions that would not be compatible with
> the GPL. What is not possible, and what might be a problem here, is deriving
> work from the original FlightGear GPL content and releasing the derivative
> under a BSD licence. The problem here are the PO/POT files obtained from the
> FlightGear XML.
>
>> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 06:17:30 -0700
>> From: ge...@deltasoft.com
>> To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Translations
>>
>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> > Hash: SHA1
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I saw that Flightgear is only translated into eight languages, and am
>> > planning to upload the translation files to Launchpad to allow
>> > translators to translate them into other languages. I will have to
>> > manually convert the XML files into PO/POT files for Launchpad to use
>> > and will convert them back into XML. The translations will be released
>> > under a BSD license, so (from what I understand) it's at least
>> > partially
>> > compatible with GPL. Do I have permission to upload the translations to
>> > Launchpad to allow other translators to work on them? Also, can only
>> > languages that use the Latin script (not Chinese, Russian, etc.) be
>> > used
>> > in Flightgear?
>> >
>> It's my understanding that for something to be included in the main
>> FlightGear distribution, it must be licensed under the GPL.
>>
>> g.
>>
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[Flightgear-devel] Translations

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Hi all,

I saw that Flightgear is only translated into eight languages, and am
planning to upload the translation files to Launchpad to allow
translators to translate them into other languages. I will have to
manually convert the XML files into PO/POT files for Launchpad to use
and will convert them back into XML. The translations will be released
under a BSD license, so (from what I understand) it's at least partially
compatible with GPL. Do I have permission to upload the translations to
Launchpad to allow other translators to work on them? Also, can only
languages that use the Latin script (not Chinese, Russian, etc.) be used
in Flightgear?

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[Flightgear-devel] FGRun

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Hi,

Is there an official FGRun 1.7.0 release, or is it still in development?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is Coogle stealing a lead?

[Saikrishna Arcot]

The window says that the plug-in is available on Windows and Mac OS X 
10.6 and later.

For the record, Google Earth has had a very basic flight simulator 
within the program. Based on the description, it looks like they added 
weather, some aircraft, instrumentation approaches, autopilot, and 
realistic flight models to that. The downside I see here is that you 
have to be online.

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> My attention was recently drawn by a UK tecky tv programme to
> http://www.gefs-online.com/
> a google earth flight sim which could be the answer to all landclass
> boundary problems. Has anyone checked this out yet?
> I've had a go at trying this out, but it seems to lean heavily in favour
> of Windows as opposed to Linux/OSX
> I've not had much luck  at getting this to run on my dual booting box,
> but wonder if anyone out there has had any success?
>
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[Flightgear-devel] fgdata compression

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I have a suggestion/proposal for the compression method of the fgdata
package: Instead of using tar.bz2, we can use tar.xz (XZ is based on
LZMA) to get a lower compression ratio. Based on comparisons done by
other people, here are the effects:
+ Less time for decompression compared to bzip2.
+ Smaller file size (higher compression)
- More time for compression
- More memory usage for compression /and/ decompression (around 300-500
MB during compression at highest compression level (9))

I re-compressed the 758 MB bzip2 file into a 690 MB xz file with default
compression settings. The entire process took 15 minutes on my computer.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.10.1

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Just to check, will both Flightgear and Simgear be updated to 2.10.1, 
or just Flightgear?

Saikrishna Arcot

On Wed 13 Mar 2013 08:31:40 AM CDT, James Turner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As previously suggested, I am going to attempt a 2.10.1 release, to see if 
> this improves our perceived quality. There's some bug fixes I am already 
> aware of, including a Windows path-handling one which is quite significant. I 
> would appreciate nominations for other bug-fixes and low-risk tweaks, to be 
> merged to the release branches, including fgdata.
>
> Ideally give me SHAs of commits on next, which I can safely cherry pick to 
> the release branches - if commits need editing, a merge-request would be 
> easier for me to process. Or you can merge yourself to the release branches, 
> providing you exercise suitable diligence :)
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ubuntu repositories

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Correction: updating previous versions to 2.6.0

Saikrishna Arcot

On Sun 10 Mar 2013 12:36:11 PM CDT, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
> Update: the backports will only update it to FlightGear 2.6.0, since
> that's the latest version available for any Ubuntu distro. Therefore,
> I'm not planning on updating previous versions to 2.4.0.
>
> Saikrishna Arcot
>
> On Thu 07 Mar 2013 06:49:45 PM CST, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
>> The Ubuntu process/policy is that all software for a particular distro
>> (it looks like you might be 12.04 or 11.10) is frozen right before the
>> release, and only security updates and major new releases are updated.
>> However, it is possible to request a newer version to be submitted into
>> the main Ubuntu archives. The only thing here is that users will
>> manually have to enable adding unsupported software from Software
>> Sources and configure it to have backported software to be
>> automatically installed
>> (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports) I'll look into
>> updating FlightGear through Backports.
>>
>> On another note, I have the latest FlightGear version available for
>> Oneiric and above in my PPA
>> (https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear). You'll have
>> to manually add the PPA (see the page for instructions).
>>
>> Saikrishna Arcot
>>
>> On Thu 07 Mar 2013 05:05:48 PM CST, Wil Neeley wrote:
>>> Why do the ubuntu repositories only have flightgear 2.4 in them?  Is
>>> there way to update them to the newest version.
>>> Wil Neeley
>>>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ubuntu repositories

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Update: the backports will only update it to FlightGear 2.6.0, since 
that's the latest version available for any Ubuntu distro. Therefore, 
I'm not planning on updating previous versions to 2.4.0.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Thu 07 Mar 2013 06:49:45 PM CST, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
> The Ubuntu process/policy is that all software for a particular distro
> (it looks like you might be 12.04 or 11.10) is frozen right before the
> release, and only security updates and major new releases are updated.
> However, it is possible to request a newer version to be submitted into
> the main Ubuntu archives. The only thing here is that users will
> manually have to enable adding unsupported software from Software
> Sources and configure it to have backported software to be
> automatically installed
> (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports) I'll look into
> updating FlightGear through Backports.
>
> On another note, I have the latest FlightGear version available for
> Oneiric and above in my PPA
> (https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear). You'll have
> to manually add the PPA (see the page for instructions).
>
> Saikrishna Arcot
>
> On Thu 07 Mar 2013 05:05:48 PM CST, Wil Neeley wrote:
>> Why do the ubuntu repositories only have flightgear 2.4 in them?  Is
>> there way to update them to the newest version.
>> Wil Neeley
>>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ubuntu repositories

[Saikrishna Arcot]

The Ubuntu process/policy is that all software for a particular distro 
(it looks like you might be 12.04 or 11.10) is frozen right before the 
release, and only security updates and major new releases are updated. 
However, it is possible to request a newer version to be submitted into 
the main Ubuntu archives. The only thing here is that users will 
manually have to enable adding unsupported software from Software 
Sources and configure it to have backported software to be 
automatically installed 
(https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports) I'll look into 
updating FlightGear through Backports.

On another note, I have the latest FlightGear version available for 
Oneiric and above in my PPA 
(https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear). You'll have 
to manually add the PPA (see the page for instructions).

Saikrishna Arcot

On Thu 07 Mar 2013 05:05:48 PM CST, Wil Neeley wrote:
> Why do the ubuntu repositories only have flightgear 2.4 in them?  Is
> there way to update them to the newest version.
> Wil Neeley
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Keyboard bindings

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Just my 2 cents here.

The primary reason I use the FoV/x binding is to see, read, and be able 
to use everything (or as much as I can) in my cockpit. Personally, I 
would rather scroll up/down, but that seems to have limits, as I can't 
zoom in as far as I want to by scrolling, but can using the key 
binding. There's also a limit for zooming out. Reaching the limit 
causes the FoV to be set back to the default. If the limit was removed, 
then I personally wouldn't mind having the key binding removed as well.

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On Mon 04 Mar 2013 10:23:25 AM CST, AJ MacLeod wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:38:45 +
> James Turner wrote:
>> Aha, and instantly we get a usability discussion:
>
>> Right, you need the keys because you're working around a simulator bug 
>> (frame-rate drops badly) using manual interaction. The correct fix isn't to 
>> make the workaround-UI easier, it's fix the underlying issues, by making 
>> adaptive-LOD work so we can achieve a target frame-rate reliably.
>
> I do agree that would be the ideal... really I'm just saying that the fix 
> ought to come and be proved satisfactory before the established "workaround" 
> is removed.  Hopefully nobody was really suggesting that, but I think there 
> is a horrible tendency in open source projects for similar things to happen - 
>  because removing the workaround or "cleaning up" the UI is generally 
> significantly easier than fixing the problem, it's only the former that gets 
> done!
>
>> You're the third person to say the same thing. But again, you don't actually 
>> want to change the FoV at all. What you're doing (and everyone else) is 
>> using this feature to look around 3D cockpits, right? In other word, our 
>> cockpit navigation UI needs some improvement :)
>
> Actually I think our cockpit navigation UI works better than anything else 
> I've ever used in over twenty years of flying flight sims :-)  It's not 
> instantly intuitive, granted, and maybe there's room for improvement there, 
> but I'd want to tread very carefully on this one as I think our method of 
> interacting with the 3D cockpit using the mouse is generally very efficient 
> indeed...
>
>> Also, usability is hard :)
> It is... and partly because everyone has different ideas on what's good and 
> what isn't!  A lot of people seem to think that Apple's IOS UI approach is 
> the greatest thing since sliced bread and I think it's one of the worst I've 
> ever come across (Win8 is definitely worse, but not many people are insane 
> enough to contest that view!)
>
> What I wouldn't like to see (and I'm sure isn't intended) is that we end up 
> with a Gnome3 / Metro style UI revamp where we get what one or two people 
> (who _are_ doing the work from best intentions) no doubt  think is great and 
> intuitive but most people find obtuse and retrogressive.  At least we're 
> having a discussion about this first - I'm hopefully being excessively 
> paranoid but the sort of "baby out with the bathwater" scenario has been all 
> too common in recent years!
>
> AJ

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Daily Builds

[Saikrishna Arcot]

It automatically updates every week or so (or whatever the user's 
update settings are), and there's not much manual intervention required.

The downsides are that this is for Ubuntu only (and maybe alternate 
Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.)), changes require sudo 
privileges, and some builds may not work correctly.

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On Sat 02 Mar 2013 06:20:55 PM CST, geneb wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Mar 2013, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
>
>> Just to let everyone know, I'm having (roughly) daily builds of
>> FlightGear and Simgear for Ubuntu users at
>> https://code.launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear-edge. If you
>> are interested, you can add the PPA using the instructions on the page.
>> Note that the data files are not provided.
>
> How is this different from the Linux builds at
> http://flightgear.simpits.org:8080 ?
>
> g.
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[Flightgear-devel] Daily Builds

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Just to let everyone know, I'm having (roughly) daily builds of
FlightGear and Simgear for Ubuntu users at
https://code.launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear-edge. If you
are interested, you can add the PPA using the instructions on the page.
Note that the data files are not provided.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Low visibility issues

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Just to chime in, wouldn't rendering the base tile be "easier" for the 
GPU, and then static objects, and then dynamic objects?

Saikrishna Arcot

On Fri 22 Feb 2013 03:06:37 AM CST, James Turner wrote:
>
> On 22 Feb 2013, at 07:06, Mathias Fröhlich  wrote:
>
>> Well, that's on the way.
>> Please do not steer any lod ranges except may be the lod bias by any 
>> property.
>> That's again cross connecting code areas that do not need to be connected and
>> that then suffer from updates into the scene graph that are unneeded.
>> The osg LOD system is simple but effective if used in a sensible way.
>
> Yep, agreed - all I was saying is that our current model / scene hierarchy 
> doesn't always use the OSG LOD system the best way, and that taking advantage 
> of the LOD-bias feature would be very good. And hopefully quite a small, 
> centralised change!
>
> (To pick one example, I'd like to put *every* object on a tile into a 
> top-level LOD group, so that beyond a certain range we only render the base 
> BTG, and no static/shared objects at all - although I did see some commits in 
> this area from you back in the autumn, maybe this is already done now?)
>
>>
>> The spt loader used in fgviewer also has lod hierarchies built in. You can
>> already load - may be I need to push this series to the latest version - 
>> lower
>> level of detail huger tiles if you put them into the right directories. 
>> That's
>> in preparation and has no upstream support form the scenery yet.
>
> That sounds excellent, hopefully the work to generate lower-detail tiles is 
> also progressing.
>
> Regards,
> James
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.10.0 release on Ubuntu

[Saikrishna Arcot]

fgfs-base has been updated. I recommend that for now, you run "sudo 
apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install fgfs-base", so that you only 
have to download 540 MB instead of about 750 MB.

Note that the Software Updater will still annoy you to update the other 
packages, even though there were no changes there.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Tue 19 Feb 2013 07:21:50 PM CST, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
> It's sort of a yes and no. Technically, the current configuration
> builds "smaller" packages (where the largest package is about 500 MB,
> and the package which must be downloaded for the fix). However, based
> on what I'm seeing, with the current configuration, if one of the
> packages change, then all of the packages change and have to be
> downloaded; that being said, I'm still hoping that only fgfs-base
> package will be recorded as changed.
>
> I suppose that you could forcibly say "sudo apt-get install fgfs-base"
> as a temporary solution once the package is published, but the package
> manager will still annoy you.
>
> Saikrishna Arcot
>
> On Tue 19 Feb 2013 06:55:02 PM CST, Pedro Morgan wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:51 AM, Saikrishna Arcot
>> mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I noticed this earlier. I sent in a build more than an hour ago, and
>> it's still waiting.
>>
>>     When it is published, I'll send out an email. The downside here is
>> that
>> you'll have to download the 750 MB again.
>>
>>
>> Saikrishna Arcot
>>
>>
>> Muppet Question..
>> Is it easy to create "multiple smaller" packages ??
>>
>> pete
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.10.0 release on Ubuntu

[Saikrishna Arcot]

It's sort of a yes and no. Technically, the current configuration 
builds "smaller" packages (where the largest package is about 500 MB, 
and the package which must be downloaded for the fix). However, based 
on what I'm seeing, with the current configuration, if one of the 
packages change, then all of the packages change and have to be 
downloaded; that being said, I'm still hoping that only fgfs-base 
package will be recorded as changed.

I suppose that you could forcibly say "sudo apt-get install fgfs-base" 
as a temporary solution once the package is published, but the package 
manager will still annoy you.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Tue 19 Feb 2013 06:55:02 PM CST, Pedro Morgan wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:51 AM, Saikrishna Arcot
> mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I noticed this earlier. I sent in a build more than an hour ago, and
> it's still waiting.
>
> When it is published, I'll send out an email. The downside here is
>     that
> you'll have to download the 750 MB again.
>
>
> Saikrishna Arcot
>
>
> Muppet Question..
> Is it easy to create "multiple smaller" packages ??
>
> pete
>
>
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.10.0 release on Ubuntu

[Saikrishna Arcot]

I noticed this earlier. I sent in a build more than an hour ago, and 
it's still waiting.

When it is published, I'll send out an email. The downside here is that 
you'll have to download the 750 MB again.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Tue 19 Feb 2013 06:49:10 PM CST, Pedro Morgan wrote:
> Just tried this and an error.. it seems the "Materials" directory is
> missing
>
> > /usr/games/fgfs --fg-root=/usr/share/games/flightgear
> --aircraft=CitationX
> Error reading materials: Failed to open file
> Fatal error: Failed to open file
>  at /usr/share/games/flightgear/Materials/regions/materials.xml
>  (received from SimGear XML Parser)
> Segmentation fault
>
> Pete
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Saikrishna Arcot
> mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Looks good. Thank you.
>
> Saikrishna Arcot
>
> On Tue 19 Feb 2013 04:00:09 PM CST, Curtis Olson wrote:
> > Ok, thanks, I will add the link on the main download page and please
> > feel free to review it and send me any needed corrections or
> improvements.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Curt.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Saikrishna Arcot
> > mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com <mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > You can use
> https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear.
> > There's a section on the page for users to easily add the PPA
> > (basically the "location" of the packages) to their system.
> >
> > This applies to Ubuntu Oneiric (11.10), Ubuntu Precise
> (12.04), Ubuntu
> > Quantal (12.10), and Ubuntu Raring (13.04) (this is a
>     development
> > version, so there may be few, if anyone, on this). If there
> are people
> > who are on an earlier version of Ubuntu, then I can easily add a
> > package for that version.
> >
> > Saikrishna Arcot
> >
> > On Tue 19 Feb 2013 03:28:52 PM CST, Curtis Olson wrote:
> > > Hi Saikrishna,
> > >
> > > Is there a top level link I can point people to from the main
> > > flightgear download page?  I'm not personally familiar with
> > launchpad
> > > or the 'ppa' acronym.  I'd love to keep the entry on the
> flightgear
> > > page as concise as possible.  Is there a particular
> distribution
> > this
> > > applies to?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Curt.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Saikrishna Arcot
> > > mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com <mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com <mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com <mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I just wanted to let everyone know here that I created
> a PPA for
> > > FlightGear on Launchpad and have compiled and uploaded
> > FlightGear
> > > 2.10.0 for Oneiric and above. Unfortunately, the
> fgfs-base isn't
> > > available at the moment, so users will have to
> download that
> > > separately. The link to the PPA itself is
> > > https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear
> > >
> <https://launchpad.net/%7Esaiarcot895/+archive/flightgear>.
> > Users
> > > can follow the following steps to use the PPA and
> flightgear:
> > >
> > >  1. Add ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear to their list of
> sources,
> > > either using Software Sources or "sudo
> add-apt-repository
> > > ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear".
> > >  2. Do an update using "apt-get update".
> > >  3. Either use Synaptic to install FlightGear or do "sudo
> > apt-get
> > > install flightgear". Both will automatically
> install SimGear
> > > as well.
> > >
> > > I've installed the version I uploaded and things s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.10.0 release on Ubuntu

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Looks good. Thank you.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Tue 19 Feb 2013 04:00:09 PM CST, Curtis Olson wrote:
> Ok, thanks, I will add the link on the main download page and please
> feel free to review it and send me any needed corrections or improvements.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curt.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Saikrishna Arcot
> mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You can use https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear.
> There's a section on the page for users to easily add the PPA
> (basically the "location" of the packages) to their system.
>
> This applies to Ubuntu Oneiric (11.10), Ubuntu Precise (12.04), Ubuntu
> Quantal (12.10), and Ubuntu Raring (13.04) (this is a development
> version, so there may be few, if anyone, on this). If there are people
> who are on an earlier version of Ubuntu, then I can easily add a
> package for that version.
>
> Saikrishna Arcot
>
> On Tue 19 Feb 2013 03:28:52 PM CST, Curtis Olson wrote:
> > Hi Saikrishna,
> >
> > Is there a top level link I can point people to from the main
> > flightgear download page?  I'm not personally familiar with
> launchpad
> > or the 'ppa' acronym.  I'd love to keep the entry on the flightgear
> > page as concise as possible.  Is there a particular distribution
> this
> > applies to?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Curt.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Saikrishna Arcot
> > mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com <mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just wanted to let everyone know here that I created a PPA for
> > FlightGear on Launchpad and have compiled and uploaded
> FlightGear
> > 2.10.0 for Oneiric and above. Unfortunately, the fgfs-base isn't
> > available at the moment, so users will have to download that
> > separately. The link to the PPA itself is
> > https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear
> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Esaiarcot895/+archive/flightgear>.
> Users
> > can follow the following steps to use the PPA and flightgear:
> >
> >  1. Add ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear to their list of sources,
> > either using Software Sources or "sudo add-apt-repository
> > ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear".
> >  2. Do an update using "apt-get update".
> >  3. Either use Synaptic to install FlightGear or do "sudo
> apt-get
> > install flightgear". Both will automatically install SimGear
> > as well.
> >
> > I've installed the version I uploaded and things seem to be
> > running well. I have encountered two problems so far. One is
> that
> > I don't see any AI aircraft, but I'm not sure if that's just
> me or
> > if it's a bug. Another is that some patches of terrain are dark,
> > but as I get closer, they turn light and can be seen again.
> I'm on
> > an Intel GPU, so I'm not sure if it's because of that.
> >
> > Anyways, I've uploaded some screenshots from 2.10.0 here
> >
> 
> <https://picasaweb.google.com/103387392510447269112/FlightGear2100?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCKXaocKSqp2G_wE&feat=directlink>
> > (the black plane is, I'm assuming, a GPU bug since 2.8.0).
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.10.0 release on Ubuntu

[Saikrishna Arcot]

You can use https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear. 
There's a section on the page for users to easily add the PPA 
(basically the "location" of the packages) to their system.

This applies to Ubuntu Oneiric (11.10), Ubuntu Precise (12.04), Ubuntu 
Quantal (12.10), and Ubuntu Raring (13.04) (this is a development 
version, so there may be few, if anyone, on this). If there are people 
who are on an earlier version of Ubuntu, then I can easily add a 
package for that version.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Tue 19 Feb 2013 03:28:52 PM CST, Curtis Olson wrote:
> Hi Saikrishna,
>
> Is there a top level link I can point people to from the main
> flightgear download page?  I'm not personally familiar with launchpad
> or the 'ppa' acronym.  I'd love to keep the entry on the flightgear
> page as concise as possible.  Is there a particular distribution this
> applies to?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curt.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Saikrishna Arcot
> mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to let everyone know here that I created a PPA for
> FlightGear on Launchpad and have compiled and uploaded FlightGear
> 2.10.0 for Oneiric and above. Unfortunately, the fgfs-base isn't
> available at the moment, so users will have to download that
> separately. The link to the PPA itself is
> https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear
> <https://launchpad.net/%7Esaiarcot895/+archive/flightgear>. Users
> can follow the following steps to use the PPA and flightgear:
>
>  1. Add ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear to their list of sources,
> either using Software Sources or "sudo add-apt-repository
> ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear".
>  2. Do an update using "apt-get update".
>  3. Either use Synaptic to install FlightGear or do "sudo apt-get
> install flightgear". Both will automatically install SimGear
> as well.
>
> I've installed the version I uploaded and things seem to be
> running well. I have encountered two problems so far. One is that
> I don't see any AI aircraft, but I'm not sure if that's just me or
> if it's a bug. Another is that some patches of terrain are dark,
> but as I get closer, they turn light and can be seen again. I'm on
> an Intel GPU, so I'm not sure if it's because of that.
>
> Anyways, I've uploaded some screenshots from 2.10.0 here
> 
> <https://picasaweb.google.com/103387392510447269112/FlightGear2100?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCKXaocKSqp2G_wE&feat=directlink>
> (the black plane is, I'm assuming, a GPU bug since 2.8.0).
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.10.0 release on Ubuntu

[Saikrishna Arcot]

I just wanted to update that fgfs-base 2.10.0 is available from the PPA 
as well now.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Mon 18 Feb 2013 05:12:36 AM CST, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to let everyone know here that I created a PPA for
> FlightGear on Launchpad and have compiled and uploaded FlightGear
> 2.10.0 for Oneiric and above. Unfortunately, the fgfs-base isn't
> available at the moment, so users will have to download that
> separately. The link to the PPA itself is
> https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear. Users can
> follow the following steps to use the PPA and flightgear:
>
>  1. Add ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear to their list of sources, either
> using Software Sources or "sudo add-apt-repository
> ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear".
>  2. Do an update using "apt-get update".
>  3. Either use Synaptic to install FlightGear or do "sudo apt-get
> install flightgear". Both will automatically install SimGear as well.
>
> I've installed the version I uploaded and things seem to be running
> well. I have encountered two problems so far. One is that I don't see
> any AI aircraft, but I'm not sure if that's just me or if it's a bug.
> Another is that some patches of terrain are dark, but as I get closer,
> they turn light and can be seen again. I'm on an Intel GPU, so I'm not
> sure if it's because of that.
>
> Anyways, I've uploaded some screenshots from 2.10.0 here
> <https://picasaweb.google.com/103387392510447269112/FlightGear2100?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCKXaocKSqp2G_wE&feat=directlink>
> (the black plane is, I'm assuming, a GPU bug since 2.8.0).
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear GIT

[Saikrishna Arcot]

PS: You need to remove the space between "--" and "depth".

Saikrishna Arcot

On Mon 18 Feb 2013 07:18:16 PM CST, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
> You're missing the ".git" part at the end.
>
> Also, keep in mind that that will get the master branch, which seems to
> be currently at 2.10.0.
>
> Saikrishna Arcot
>
> On Mon 18 Feb 2013 07:14:31 PM CST, Wil Neeley wrote:
>> I am following the instructions on the flightgear wiki but when I run
>> this command
>> git pull -- depth 1 git://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata master
>>
>>
>>
>> I get this error
>> fatal: Invalid refspec 'git://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata 
>> <http://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata>'
>>
>> what am I doing wrong
>>
>>
>> Wil Neeley
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Wil Neeley > <mailto:bentchic...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Wil Neeley
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Saikrishna Arcot
>>     mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> You can get the flightgear and simgear gits at
>> https://gitorious.org/fg. I think the next branch is the
>> development
>> branch.
>>
>> Saikrishna Arcot
>>
>> On Mon 18 Feb 2013 06:37:04 PM CST, Wil Neeley wrote:
>> > How to I download the newest experimental versions of flightgear
>> > Wil Neeley
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear GIT

[Saikrishna Arcot]

You're missing the ".git" part at the end.

Also, keep in mind that that will get the master branch, which seems to 
be currently at 2.10.0.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Mon 18 Feb 2013 07:14:31 PM CST, Wil Neeley wrote:
> I am following the instructions on the flightgear wiki but when I run
> this command
> git pull -- depth 1 git://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata master
>
>
>
> I get this error
> fatal: Invalid refspec 'git://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata 
> <http://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata>'
>
> what am I doing wrong
>
>
> Wil Neeley
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Wil Neeley  <mailto:bentchic...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks
>
> Wil Neeley
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Saikrishna Arcot
> mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You can get the flightgear and simgear gits at
> https://gitorious.org/fg. I think the next branch is the
> development
> branch.
>
> Saikrishna Arcot
>
> On Mon 18 Feb 2013 06:37:04 PM CST, Wil Neeley wrote:
> > How to I download the newest experimental versions of flightgear
> > Wil Neeley
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear GIT

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You can get the flightgear and simgear gits at 
https://gitorious.org/fg. I think the next branch is the development 
branch.

Saikrishna Arcot

On Mon 18 Feb 2013 06:37:04 PM CST, Wil Neeley wrote:
> How to I download the newest experimental versions of flightgear
> Wil Neeley
>
>
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[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.10.0 release on Ubuntu

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Hi all,

I just wanted to let everyone know here that I created a PPA for
FlightGear on Launchpad and have compiled and uploaded FlightGear 2.10.0
for Oneiric and above. Unfortunately, the fgfs-base isn't available at
the moment, so users will have to download that separately. The link to
the PPA itself is
https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear. Users can follow
the following steps to use the PPA and flightgear:

 1. Add ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear to their list of sources, either
using Software Sources or "sudo add-apt-repository
ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear".
 2. Do an update using "apt-get update".
 3. Either use Synaptic to install FlightGear or do "sudo apt-get
install flightgear". Both will automatically install SimGear as well.

I've installed the version I uploaded and things seem to be running
well. I have encountered two problems so far. One is that I don't see
any AI aircraft, but I'm not sure if that's just me or if it's a bug.
Another is that some patches of terrain are dark, but as I get closer,
they turn light and can be seen again. I'm on an Intel GPU, so I'm not
sure if it's because of that.

Anyways, I've uploaded some screenshots from 2.10.0 here
<https://picasaweb.google.com/103387392510447269112/FlightGear2100?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCKXaocKSqp2G_wE&feat=directlink>
(the black plane is, I'm assuming, a GPU bug since 2.8.0).

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