Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
On 09/26/2009 02:55 AM, syd adams wrote: Wish I had know I'd be working for Mr Charlie Taylor for free ! Makes me hesitate to continue maintaining my aircraft as GPL. Whatever Charlie Taylor has done in terms of copyright violations and outright lying, I don't think we can know that there is a GPL violation until someone is willing to buy his package. But yes, if the idea that someone could sell your work bothers you, you should not release it under the GPL. Wonder if royalties are in order ;) Cheers Tim -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
If its for sale in the Uk Then I will quite willingly buy the package. I have already made some lines of enquiries as a common muppet. and have got some strategic replies. Whats the issue?? in UK law is it sales of goods act or copyright ? pete Tim Moore wrote: On 09/26/2009 02:55 AM, syd adams wrote: Wish I had know I'd be working for Mr Charlie Taylor for free ! Makes me hesitate to continue maintaining my aircraft as GPL. Whatever Charlie Taylor has done in terms of copyright violations and outright lying, I don't think we can know that there is a GPL violation until someone is willing to buy his package. But yes, if the idea that someone could sell your work bothers you, you should not release it under the GPL. Wonder if royalties are in order ;) Cheers Tim -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:33:37 +0200, Durk wrote in message 200909260733.37841.d.tal...@xs4all.nl: On Friday 25 September 2009 08:20:40 pm Martin Spott wrote: Alan Teeder wrote: How about naming and shaming all of these profiteers on the main website, warning newcomers that they can get an up to date version for free (and contribute should they wish). This idea is to my liking :-) Martin. I actually fully agree. I think it would be a nice idea to have a feature article that lists all the names of the rip off products and points out in a professional manner that these products are simply rip off from FlightGear. Likewise, I would also propose another idea that we talked about before: How about adding a note that is written to the splash screen saying something like: Welcome to FlightGear: Please visit www.flightgear.org for additional downloads. Painting this onto the individual screens would not be very effective, because I suspect that even mr. Charlie Taylor would be capable of changing that. However, if this text were generated by a C++ function, ..why stop there? Make it _hard_. ;o) and painted onto the splash screen, it would at require at least some effort and skill to conceal the fact that FlightProSim (or whatever cheesy names they come up with) is in fact flightgear. ..maybe a few pointed words of wisdom on piracy, too? ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
Hi, I've just created a ticket on the www.flightprosim.com website. In other words, I have tried to contact the webmaster/seller. I asked him if the package is released under GNU GPL. Also I kindly asked him to remove the images or place clear sources. If the situation doesn't improve within 7 days (which is very likely I think) I will contact the hosting company and ask them to remove the images or even his entire website. Curt, you are the maintainer of the list? You might have received an email with details about my ticket. Would you be so kind to forward them to me? That way we could see the status of our request. Regards, Gijs _ Gratis emoticons voor in je Messenger! http://www.msnmessengerexperience.nl/chuck/-- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
How about naming and shaming all of these profiteers on the main website, warning newcomers that they can get an up to date version for free (and contribute should they wish). _ From: Gijs de Rooy [mailto:gijsr...@hotmail.com] Sent: 25 September 2009 18:05 To: FlightGear Development list Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal? Hi, I've just created a ticket on the www.flightprosim.com website. In other words, I have tried to contact the webmaster/seller. I asked him if the package is released under GNU GPL. Also I kindly asked him to remove the images or place clear sources. If the situation doesn't improve within 7 days (which is very likely I think) I will contact the hosting company and ask them to remove the images or even his entire website. Curt, you are the maintainer of the list? You might have received an email with details about my ticket. Would you be so kind to forward them to me? That way we could see the status of our request. Regards, Gijs _ Alle tips en trics. Ontdek nu de nieuwe Windows Live http://www.microsoft.com/netherlands/windowslive/Views/tipsItemDetail.aspx -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
Alan Teeder wrote: How about naming and shaming all of these profiteers on the main website, warning newcomers that they can get an up to date version for free (and contribute should they wish). This idea is to my liking :-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
Interesting, if you look at the very bottom of their home page ( www.flightprosim.com) you can click on Developers; this brings you to a page where you can join the Flight Pro Sim developers !! I did not try to join yet, but would be interesting to see WHO are those developers... Fabian On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: Alan Teeder wrote: How about naming and shaming all of these profiteers on the main website, warning newcomers that they can get an up to date version for free (and contribute should they wish). This idea is to my liking :-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
Wish I had know I'd be working for Mr Charlie Taylor for free ! Makes me hesitate to continue maintaining my aircraft as GPL. Wonder if royalties are in order ;) Cheers -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
On Friday 25 September 2009 08:20:40 pm Martin Spott wrote: Alan Teeder wrote: How about naming and shaming all of these profiteers on the main website, warning newcomers that they can get an up to date version for free (and contribute should they wish). This idea is to my liking :-) Martin. I actually fully agree. I think it would be a nice idea to have a feature article that lists all the names of the rip off products and points out in a professional manner that these products are simply rip off from FlightGear. Likewise, I would also propose another idea that we talked about before: How about adding a note that is written to the splash screen saying something like: Welcome to FlightGear: Please visit www.flightgear.org for additional downloads. Painting this onto the individual screens would not be very effective, because I suspect that even mr. Charlie Taylor would be capable of changing that. However, if this text were generated by a C++ function, and painted onto the splash screen, it would at require at least some effort and skill to conceal the fact that FlightProSim (or whatever cheesy names they come up with) is in fact flightgear. Cheers, Durk -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
This looks much more problematic: http://www.flightprosim.com/disclaimer/ JB -Original Message- From: Jon S. Berndt [mailto:jonsber...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:03 AM To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal? I've been alerted to this web site: http://www.flightprosim.com/ We all know by now that under certain conditions one can sell open source software packages such as FlightGear. However, it seems to me that this web site is problematic in several ways, - copyrighted screen captures may be used - company names are used (Boeing, Airbus, etc.) - I don't see any mention that the code can be downloaded anywhere But, you guys have discussed this before, so I wanted to pass along the concern to you. JB -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
The do state This is a commercial adaption of the world renown flight Gear project. Further information available in our Developers Area in the shopping area: http://www.flightprosim.com/#order Jon S. Berndt wrote: This looks much more problematic: http://www.flightprosim.com/disclaimer/ This sounds highly contradicting and is a plain lie: FlightProSim.com is not endorsed and/or related to any Flight Simulator Software, Software House or any other company in any way shape or form. Erik -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
On Tuesday 22 September 2009 14:04:16 Jon S. Berndt wrote: This looks much more problematic: http://www.flightprosim.com/disclaimer/ copyrighted under United States and other World Wide Patents A little confusion of totally different laws... But interestingly from the front page: There is no one company who published this software. It is a cooperative flight simulator development project. There are a wide range of people interested and participating in this project. This is truly a global effort with contributors from just about every continent. Interests range from building a realistic home simulator out old airplane parts, to university research and instructional use. The page and name looks and sounds somehow familiar. Haven't we had them before? From: Jon S. Berndt [mailto:jonsber...@comcast.net] Subject: Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal? We all know by now that under certain conditions one can sell open source software packages such as FlightGear. However, it seems to me that this web site is problematic in several ways, - copyrighted screen captures may be used - company names are used (Boeing, Airbus, etc.) - I don't see any mention that the code can be downloaded anywhere 1 and 2 are bad. 3 is no problem, since only on delivery they have to include the source code or a written offer to supply it. Since they are advertising the multi player feature: how about periodically broadcasting a message via MP servers that users are using free software called FlightGear available at flightgear.org? Stefan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
Hi Just to dig up the old discussion. That was about this site: http://flight-aviator.com/ Which is copyrighted by http://www.FlightProSim.com and uses the same layout and text. We sucessfully contacted the webmaster of FPS last time (the images were removed), so I think we should do that again this time... He might not damage the GNU GPL license, he does some other licenses. 1. He uses copyrighted images from FlightGear.org without permittion from their respective copyrightholders and/or authors 2. At the Disclaimer page you state Flight Pro Sim is not related to any other Flight Simulator software, which is a lie as we all know. So a quick email to the webmaster should make clear if the guy is cooperative (and removes/ replaces the images) or if we need to use tougher measures. Regards, Gijs From: Jon S. Berndt [mailto:jonsber...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:03 AM To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal? I've been alerted to this web site: http://www.flightprosim.com/ We all know by now that under certain conditions one can sell open source software packages such as FlightGear. However, it seems to me that this web site is problematic in several ways, - copyrighted screen captures may be used - company names are used (Boeing, Airbus, etc.) - I don't see any mention that the code can be downloaded anywhere But, you guys have discussed this before, so I wanted to pass along the concern to you. JB _ Haal meer uit je leven met Windows Live http://www.microsoft.com/netherlands/windowslive/Views/index.aspx-- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
Have you seen that: --Flight-Aviator.com acknowledges that there may be an undisclosed amount of the pictures and / or other content found on this site that are not property of Flight-Aviator.com. If you feel you own one of these pictures and / or content, feel free to contact us at through our site. We will either remove the photo(s)and / or content or add credits. Contact Us Here http://www.flight-aviator.com/disclaimer still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html --- Gijs de Rooy gijsr...@hotmail.com schrieb am Di, 22.9.2009: Von: Gijs de Rooy gijsr...@hotmail.com Betreff: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal? An: FlightGear Development list flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Datum: Dienstag, 22. September 2009, 15:04 Hi Just to dig up the old discussion. That was about this site: http://flight-aviator.com/ Which is copyrighted by http://www.FlightProSim.com and uses the same layout and text. We sucessfully contacted the webmaster of FPS last time (the images were removed), so I think we should do that again this time... He might not damage the GNU GPL license, he does some other licenses. 1. He uses copyrighted images from FlightGear.org without permittion from their respective copyrightholders and/or authors 2. At the Disclaimer page you state Flight Pro Sim is not related to any other Flight Simulator software, which is a lie as we all know. So a quick email to the webmaster should make clear if the guy is cooperative (and removes/ replaces the images) or if we need to use tougher measures. Regards, Gijs From: Jon S. Berndt [mailto:jonsber...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:03 AM To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal? I've been alerted to this web site: http://www.flightprosim.com/ We all know by now that under certain conditions one can sell open source software packages such as FlightGear. However, it seems to me that this web site is problematic in several ways, - copyrighted screen captures may be used - company names are used (Boeing, Airbus, etc.) - I don't see any mention that the code can be downloaded anywhere But, you guys have discussed this before, so I wanted to pass along the concern to you. JB Heb jij de nieuwe Messenger nog niet?! Download 'm hier -Integrierter Anhang folgt- -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf -Integrierter Anhang folgt- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
Same outfit as was discussed at end of last year. November 2008. Subject Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses Search out that mailing list discussion thread. On 23/09/09 00:04, Jon S. Berndt wrote: This looks much more problematic: http://www.flightprosim.com/disclaimer/ JB -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another FlightGear Package for Sale: Illegal?
On Tuesday 22 September 2009 14:21:25 Stefan Seifert wrote: Since they are advertising the multi player feature: how about periodically broadcasting a message via MP servers that users are using free software called FlightGear available at flightgear.org? This would make sense if there were hundrets of users who bought this product and use our infrastructure. But I don't believe that there are so many dazzled users and we would anoy all people who use our public servers. Just my 2c, Oliver -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
