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nothing' short notice is brevity On 08/06/06, karen eliot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how am i supposed to come up with nothing on such short notice? __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: FLUXLIST: what? no nothing today?
Nothing much, anyway. "metaphor--I use them. They keep me regular." --Paul VioliHalvard Johnson[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]http://home.earthlink.net/~halvardhttp://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.comhttp://www.hamiltonstone.org
RE: FLUXLIST: What is fluxus? (sigh)
I don't think I'll be reading any Art News reviews seriously for awhile. -Don http://www.donaldboyd.blogspot.com/ http://fluxuswest.blogspot.com/ http://fluxusmuseum.blogspot.com/
Re: FLUXLIST: What is fluxus? (sigh)
from Art News: Fluxus is an art movement based on the ephemeral with one-time performances and do-it-yourself kits made with pieces of paper,handwritten notes and bits of string. I guess I'd better get started on my string project... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: FLUXLIST: What is fluxus? (sigh)
Fluxus is a base movement on the ephemeral performance with one-time kits, and do-it-yourself pieces of paper, made with handwritten string and bits of art notes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Madawg Painterofdark Sent: 25 March 2006 20:24 To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is fluxus? (sigh) from Art News: Fluxus is an art movement based on the ephemeral with one-time performances and do-it-yourself kits made with pieces of paper,handwritten notes and bits of string. I guess I'd better get started on my string project... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 24/03/2006
RE: FLUXLIST: What is a PLa(y)GerISM ?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zz Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:08 PM To: FLUXLIST post Subject: FLUXLIST: What is a PLa(y)GerISM ? RE: FLUXLIST: What is a PLa(y)GerISM ? FLUXLIST: What is a PLa(y)GerISM ? What is a PLa(y)GerISM ? WHAT IS A TOY? A Round of PLa(y)GerISM ? 1: loan feat 2: noun stock 3: barn heap 4: bean skimp 5: divan chimp 6: warn dweeb 7: worn fable 8: torn block 1. So thought live forever 2. count on Starbucks coffee 3. for choice 4. of where we could live 5. Or that we knew which way the wind blew 6. we never did know 7. most most give 8. we stuck together 9. the future destined for never 1. What is a toy? 2. Ho do you play with a toy? 3. How does a toy differ from a religious artifact? 4. From a work of art? 5. From a tool? 6. What do you create when you play with a toy? 7. Does what you create exist? 8. What do you create when you use a religious artifact? 9. Does what you create exist? 10. What do you create when you display a work of art? 11. Does what you create exist? 12. What do you create when you use a tool? 13. Does what you create exist? 14. Where do these things exist? 15. Can you use a work of art in the same way you use a tool? 16. Can a toy take the place of a religious artifact? 17. When is a toy gun not a toy? 18. When is a chalice just a fancy cup? 19. When is a tool a work of art? 20. How does an object move from the category toy to religious artifact? 21. From the category work of art to tool? 22. Can objects be given meaning? 23. Can people be given meaning? 24. Why are meanings given to objects and people? 25. Are these meanings true? 26. If you believe something is true, is it true? 27. If you believe in yourself, do you then exist? 28. If two or more people believe the same thing, does it exist for them? 29. Is religion a matter of belief? 30. If you believe in a religion, does it exist? 31. Is politics a matter of belief? 32. If you believe in a political ideology, does it exist? 33. What is a belief? 34. Is belief something you tell yourself? 35. Is belief powerful? 36. Can belief dominate your mind? 37. Can belief blind you to the facts? 38. How does one express a belief? 39. Can these expressions use words? 40. Can words create meaning? 41. Can words give meanings to objects and people? 42. Can words provoke emotions? 43. Can words provoke memories? 44. Can words provoke actions? 45. Can dogs be trained? 46. Can dogs be trained to react to certain words? 47. What is an audience? 48. Can an audience be made to react to certain words? 49. What is advertising? 50. What is a political slogan? 51. What is a command? 52. Do most people do what words tell them to do? 53. Are words powerful? 54. Are *these* words powerful? 55. Are you paying attention only to these words? 56. Is there a voice in your head speaking these words? 57. Is that your voice? 58. Are they your words? 59. Are you alone now? 60. Are you alone in your head now? 61. When your inner voice speaks these words, are any of your own thoughts also being spoken? 62. Have these words been directing your thoughts in a particular direction? 63. If you had not been reading these words, would your thoughts have gone in that direction? 64. Are you being led by these words? 65. Are these words dominating your mind? 66. Have these words taken over your mind? 67. Are these words playing with you? 68. Does that make you a toy? 69. What is a toy? http://psrf.detritus.net/index.html
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Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
I don't know, what is Video Art? Sol (presuming that if no one responds correctly we won't hear the punchline :)
RE: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Thank you so much for the wonderful recipe tips. I shall try: 1) Use less Foucault 2) Replace the Baudrillard with potatoes 3) Strain out the Heidegger Ill be sure to let you know how it turns out this time. A!! a n [r] From: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:01 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? If you don't strain out the Heideigger everything will be sour. ~mIEKAL On Feb 21, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Allan Revich wrote: Thanks for the tip Ann. I have been using raw beaudrillard, and that only made things worse! ARe From: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com] On Behalf Of Ann Klefstad Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:05 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? I have heard that if you have too much foucault in the soup you should add raw potatoes. Works for me. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
(4) garnish with danto bests, carol xx Thank you so much for the wonderful recipe tips. I shall try: 1) Use less Foucault 2) Replace the Baudrillard with potatoes 3) Strain out the Heidegger Ill be sure to let you know how it turns out this time. A!! a n [r] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:01 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? If you don't strain out the Heideigger everything will be sour. ~mIEKAL On Feb 21, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Allan Revich wrote: Thanks for the tip Ann. I have been using raw beaudrillard, and that only made things worse! ARe
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually its used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldnt be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how its used, and how its disseminatedso video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, Vai Becker Jason Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD Cremaster 3 and saw many reviews claims that it's video art. I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called Father of Video Art, Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - 離線訊息 就算你沒有上網，你的朋友仍可以留下訊息給你，當你上網時就能立即看到，任何說話都冇走失。 http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Thinking about this again, maybe we could make a distinction between video art (Paik and others who use the tools of video to make things that present as objects or performancesesp stuff that you couldnt, for instance, easily put in their entirety on a DVD or tape); and art video, which would include stuff like Barney and Viola. Does this make sense? One tends to be about the medium; the other uses the medium. AK On 2/21/06 11:47 AM, Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually its used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldnt be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how its used, and how its disseminatedso video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, Vai Becker Jason Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD Cremaster 3 and saw many reviews claims that it's video art. I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called Father of Video Art, Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - 離線訊息 就算你沒有上網，你的朋友仍可以留下訊息給你，當你上網時就能立即看到，任何說話都冇走失。 http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
RE: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Well that goes back again to the fundamental questions: What is art? What isn’t art? Who gets to decide? Who gets to decide who can decide? How is the decision made? What criteria will be used to decide? Who decides on the criteria? Who has to agree? Who is allowed to disagree? Labels are always problematic, even though they are often convenient. Expert consensus seems to be the most frequently applied and accepted means of decision making, most of the time, for most people. But expert consensus is open to the same kind of questioning. i.e. Who is an expert? Who decides? Do all the experts have to agree? What if they disagree? Which expert is right? Can they all be right? Can they all be wrong? How many experts need to agree before there is ‘consensus’? I have been reading way too much Foucault! Allan From: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com] On Behalf Of Ann Klefstad Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:27 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Thinking about this again, maybe we could make a distinction between “video art” (Paik and others who use the tools of video to make things that present as objects or performances―esp stuff that you couldn’t, for instance, easily put in their entirety on a DVD or tape); and “art video,” which would include stuff like Barney and Viola. Does this make sense? One tends to be about the medium; the other uses the medium. AK On 2/21/06 11:47 AM, Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually it’s used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldn’t be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how it’s used, and how it’s disseminated―so video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, Vai Becker Jason Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD Cremaster 3 and saw many reviews claims that it's video art. I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called Father of Video Art, Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - �x息 就算你�]有上�W，你的朋友仍可以留下��息�o你，��你上�W�r就能立即看到，任何�f��都�幼呤А� http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? I have heard that if you have too much foucault in the soup you should add raw potatoes. Works for me. AK On 2/21/06 2:54 PM, Allan Revich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well that goes back again to the fundamental questions: What is art? What isnt art? Who gets to decide? Who gets to decide who can decide? How is the decision made? What criteria will be used to decide? Who decides on the criteria? Who has to agree? Who is allowed to disagree? Labels are always problematic, even though they are often convenient. Expert consensus seems to be the most frequently applied and accepted means of decision making, most of the time, for most people. But expert consensus is open to the same kind of questioning. i.e. Who is an expert? Who decides? Do all the experts have to agree? What if they disagree? Which expert is right? Can they all be right? Can they all be wrong? How many experts need to agree before there is consensus? I have been reading way too much Foucault! Allan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ann Klefstad Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:27 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Thinking about this again, maybe we could make a distinction between video art (Paik and others who use the tools of video to make things that present as objects or performancesesp stuff that you couldnt, for instance, easily put in their entirety on a DVD or tape); and art video, which would include stuff like Barney and Viola. Does this make sense? One tends to be about the medium; the other uses the medium. AK On 2/21/06 11:47 AM, Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually its used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldnt be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how its used, and how its disseminatedso video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, Vai Becker Jason Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD Cremaster 3 and saw many reviews claims that it's video art. I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called Father of Video Art, Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - 離線訊息 就算你沒有上網，你的朋友仍可以留下訊息給你，當你上網時就能立即看到，任何說話都冇走失。 http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
RE: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Thanks for the tip Ann. I have been using raw beaudrillard, and that only made things worse! ARe From: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com] On Behalf Of Ann Klefstad Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:05 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? I have heard that if you have too much foucault in the soup you should add raw potatoes. Works for me. AK On 2/21/06 2:54 PM, Allan Revich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well that goes back again to the fundamental questions: What is art? What isn’t art? Who gets to decide? Who gets to decide who can decide? How is the decision made? What criteria will be used to decide? Who decides on the criteria? Who has to agree? Who is allowed to disagree? Labels are always problematic, even though they are often convenient. Expert consensus seems to be the most frequently applied and accepted means of decision making, most of the time, for most people. But expert consensus is open to the same kind of questioning. i.e. Who is an expert? Who decides? Do all the experts have to agree? What if they disagree? Which expert is right? Can they all be right? Can they all be wrong? How many experts need to agree before there is ‘consensus’? I have been reading way too much Foucault! Allan From: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ann Klefstad Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:27 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Thinking about this again, maybe we could make a distinction between “video art” (Paik and others who use the tools of video to make things that present as objects or performances―esp stuff that you couldn’t, for instance, easily put in their entirety on a DVD or tape); and “art video,” which would include stuff like Barney and Viola. Does this make sense? One tends to be about the medium; the other uses the medium. AK On 2/21/06 11:47 AM, Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually it’s used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldn’t be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how it’s used, and how it’s disseminated―so video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, Vai Becker Jason Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD Cremaster 3 and saw many reviews claims that it's video art. I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called Father of Video Art, Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - �x息 就算你�]有上�W，你的朋友仍可以留下��息�o你，��你上�W�r就能立即看到，任何�f��都�幼呤А� http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
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If you don't strain out the Heideigger everything will be sour. ~mIEKALOn Feb 21, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Allan Revich wrote:Thanks for the tip Ann. I have been using raw beaudrillard, and that only made things worse!AReFrom: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com] On Behalf Of Ann KlefstadSent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:05 PMTo: FLUXLIST@scribble.comSubject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?I have heard that if you have too much foucault in the soup you should add raw potatoes.Works for me.AK
RE: FLUXLIST: What Fluxus means to me (this time)
Thank you Reed, And thanks for providing me with the inspiration too! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reed Altemus Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:17 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What Fluxus means to me (this time) Yeah, even better Allan. Great. = FLUXUS FLUXUD FLUXDH FLUDHA FLDHAR FDHARM DHARMA DHARMF DHARFL DHAF DHFLUX DFLUXU DHARMF FLUXUS FLUXDH FLUXUS FLUXUD FLUXDH FLUDHA FLDHAR FDHARM DHARMA DHARMF DHARFL DHAF DHFLUX DFLUXU DHARMF FLUXUS FLUXDH FLUXUS FLUXUD FLUXDH FLUDHA FLDHAR FDHARM DHARMA DHARMF DHARFL DHAF DHFLUX DFLUXU DHARMF FLUXUS FLUXDH FLUXUS FLUXUD FLUXDH FLUDHA FLDHAR FDHARM DHARMA DHARMF DHARFL DHAF DHFLUX DFLUXU DHARMF FLUXUS FLUXDH FLUXUS FLUXUD FLUXDH FLUDHA FLDHAR FDHARM DHARMA DHARMF DHARFL DHAF DHFLUX DFLUXU DHARMF FLUXUS FLUXDH FLUXUS FLUXUD FLUXDH FLUDHA FLDHAR FDHARM DHARMA DHARMF DHARFL DHAF DHFLUX DFLUXU DHARMF FLUXUS FLUXDH FLUXUS FLUXUD FLUXDH FLUDHA FLDHAR FDHARM DHARMA DHARMF DHARFL DHAF DHFLUX DFLUXU DHARMF FLUXUS FLUXDH =
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Allen. My page was blank. Is that on purpose? -Don http://www.doneboyd.com check out my website for the latest images!
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Re: FLUXLIST: what fluxus means to me
for me fluxus is: fun fun funny fun fun fun funny fun fun fun funny funny fun fun fun funny fun fun fun bests, carol xx
RE: FLUXLIST: What Is FLUXUS?
I first heard of Fluxus in the late 1960's. From the little I knew of it, it was the use of simple materials to make ephemeral objects and events. I thought that there was an Eastern element in the thught and feeling. With time, I became aware that it was also involved with having an idea involved with the objects/event--a conceptual approach, combined often with humor. This of course from vague and sketchy knowledge-- A gull is wheeling by outside my window. Circling the quiet Sunday streets, checking out the trash left from saturday's action. With the streets in Sunday quiet, the gull is free to roam the pavements, the alleys, the streets. Only a few staid churchgoers are out, and they never disturb the solemnity of the Sabbath. The gulls know this and keep wheeling, honking now and then in the cold breeze. I pour ink that friend gave me, a wondrous gift of bottles of Parker from France. Pouring out onto the imprinted and incised clay, putting down paper, making prints of street-found images, word and letter fragments, sketches of abandoned language and site/sights/cites, to bring them forth with care and attention. They sing of touch, the passing touch of hands, and sign presence passing, from the cave paintings on through time--they live in this and also in their own moment. All these events take place in a continual flow. Memories, images, dreams, the immediate scene. The body moving. The heart and all it aches with. I want to touch things not there, yet vidily with me. Each gesture, each line carries this in itself--perhaps secretly, perhaps peripherally. It is there, seen and unseen. "The world as we see it is passing." "The One whose Oracle is at Delphi neither speaks nor concels but gives signs." "The most beautiful world is a heap of rubble tossed down at random." "Look under your feet." What does this have to do with Fluxus? It is the gulls, the air, the pavements, the passersby, the parking lot, the shifting light, the ink, the clay, the ltterings, the incsied forms the hands, the eyes, the body. These are al presnt in the present--as apresent--a gift, found. That moment to me is fluxus--this simulataneity of things in movement. There is the element of mysticism (Taoism) and also of the conceptual--that is, what the materials lead the hands to form, the eyes to see, the ears to hear. The materials themselves are filled with ideas there to be found and danced with. I know my sense of Fluxus has nothing to do with what may be written in all the books on it I have seen and never read. (Sometimes I think I should--but that day has yet to come.) To me it is simply the acting in time--and the making of this--ephermally--and also as a score. It is a way of life that is a way of making--from a gesture never to be repeated to a notation in paint, a rubBEing in lumber crayon. I would say that the one thing of all the things called usually Fluxus that I know well of and practice is Mail Art. To me this is freedom in community/communication. In that way I also feel Fluxus forms a community/communication. To be a Fluxus person is to participate in this, share it, and keep moving onwo/ards. There is ever at each instant this movement. Fluxus is in the movement and in the moment. The only of the old guard Fluxus I ever met was Dick Higgins. We spoke of scores, notations, the visuality of this.I happened to have at that moment--we were riding subway inEdmonton, Canada--a copy of the SIX FILLIOUS scores book. He had a broken arm at the time (June 1997). I also heard him give a talk re visual poetry and make proposals re organizing it in some fashion, as part of an academic discipline. I was opposed to this, and found it to be to me if I would look at it now,(and as I did then, in regards to visual poetry) --I would think of it now as non-Fluxus. I just lit a cigarette with a square blue lighter. The smoke curls in the air coming in through the window, in the fragile light of a Milwaukee March day. That to me is a Fluxus event--right here in this moment, this epemeral smoke as I also am making a notation of it. (Writing to you--now--of this as it happens.)I can turn and make with ink and paint and clay and paper also --mixing in the cigarette ashes as they furl and fall--a notation of this event--the Cigarette Smoking Event and its Event Score. That to me is fluxus From: "Ruud Janssen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: FLUXLIST: What Is FLUXUS? Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:52:57 +0100 FLUSS , Stream, Changes Nothing stays the same for a long time Magnetic FLUX Fluxus is alive Fluxus is buried Fluxus is changing Don't repeat yourself Keep doing new things. Keep the FLUX Ruud Janssen °´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*´° Travelling Art Mail IUOMA P.O. Box 10388 5000 JJTilburg NETHERLANDS http://www.iuoma.org MAIN INFORMATION http://iuoma.blogspot.com MAIN BLOG http://tampublications.blogspot.com PUBLICATIONS http://tamruud.blogspot.com
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When I clicked on the link I got a message saying the file couldn't be found - must be Fluxus. Reid On Sunday, March 20, 2005, at 04:26 AM, Crispin Webb wrote: http://www.crispinwebb.com/mac/apan1.mov I am trying to make some video as a web project and have found a way to make a file very small tell me if it loads ok.. crispin is that fluxus or academia --- Ruud Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FLUSS , Stream, Changes Nothing stays the same for a long time Magnetic FLUX Fluxus is alive Fluxus is buried Fluxus is changing Don't repeat yourself Keep doing new things. Keep the FLUX Ruud Janssen °´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*´° Travelling Art Mail IUOMA P.O. Box 10388 5000 JJ Tilburg NETHERLANDS http://www.iuoma.org MAIN INFORMATION http://iuoma.blogspot.com MAIN BLOG http://tampublications.blogspot.com PUBLICATIONS http://tamruud.blogspot.com PROJECT http://www.fluxusheidelberg.org FLUXUS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since 28-6-2002 there is a Group home page : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iuoma where all members can join and leave messages. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18-3-2005 PLEASE CHECK OUT MY WEBSITE http://www.crispinwebb.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
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And I got a QuickTime window with no image or audio. The message was waiting for www.crispinwebb.com... Very Fluxus, no? Allan ar -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reid Wood Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:52 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What Is FLUXUS? When I clicked on the link I got a message saying the file couldn't be found - must be Fluxus. Reid On Sunday, March 20, 2005, at 04:26 AM, Crispin Webb wrote: http://www.crispinwebb.com/mac/apan1.mov I am trying to make some video as a web project and have found a way to make a file very small tell me if it loads ok.. crispin is that fluxus or academia --- Ruud Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FLUSS , Stream, Changes Nothing stays the same for a long time Magnetic FLUX Fluxus is alive Fluxus is buried Fluxus is changing Don't repeat yourself Keep doing new things. Keep the FLUX Ruud Janssen °´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*´° Travelling Art Mail IUOMA P.O. Box 10388 5000 JJ Tilburg NETHERLANDS http://www.iuoma.org MAIN INFORMATION http://iuoma.blogspot.com MAIN BLOG http://tampublications.blogspot.com PUBLICATIONS http://tamruud.blogspot.com PROJECT http://www.fluxusheidelberg.org FLUXUS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since 28-6-2002 there is a Group home page : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iuoma where all members can join and leave messages. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18-3-2005 PLEASE CHECK OUT MY WEBSITE http://www.crispinwebb.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
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Dear Ann and Badger Girl: i have been blushing and humbled since reading these quickly inbetween a very busy weeknd to think i have a pure soul and look like serge gainsbourg!i am glad no one else noticed! this way i can go along, incognito, incongruous-- to feel raw, simple--direct--to reach down into--or to reach out-- reading on the bus more of DADA SPECTRUM The Dialectics of Rveolt essays on the bus back and forth with text by the Third Patriarch of Zen a fellow fluxlsiter gave me two books of this a year and half ago-- one is a translation by richard b. clarke ( white pine press: osaka, japan and amherst Ma, 1973, 84) theother is a translation buy Fluxus Geogre Bercht accomapnied by facing interpretations by Dick Higgins; the book designed by Dick Higgins it is called THE AUTOBIOGRPAHY OF THE MOON the original text is the HSIN-HSIN-MING by Seng-t'san (died 606 C.E.) Third patriarch of Zen the two books very much make one aware of feels like "DaDao"--(Tao pronounced as Dao)-- (now i move from Zada to Zadadao?--from zero to infinity is not so far atl!--) one of the essays in the dada spectrum is re some of the interconnections of dada and Zen--buddhisim--mysticism of both ball and hennings and also jean/hans arp-- there is also an intersting essay on New York Dada which goes into some of Willaim Carlos Willaims delaing s with dada and hjis own struggle to find an American writing--in the period of his early books you can find colected in IMAGINATIONS--the main one is SPRING AND ALL--the search in dada for aspects of the raw, the simple, the direct--(and has a reubuff at the unnamed Russian Futurist Zaum poets)--(says they are too close to music--which is what Fluxus came out of much at the start--or as Bob Cobbing would say off Sound Poetry: "we aspire to birdsong")-- It is interesting of late to me the unity of opposities, the oneness in a sense of contradictions--in dada--the word itself--Tao the word itselfl the Way--and in "primal words" a little essay by Freud-- ii think it is related to fluxus--the intersection, conjunction, of the ephemral and the eternal in a sense--(Baudelaire's definition of Modernism--)-towards Maciunas and the Eternal network--once again, one returns to Mail Art!-- thank you again, and a sip of splash of water--lopped leaped through the air towards the tongue-- david-baptiste ps there are two sayisngs re vermont kind of corny but true at least when i grew up there-- "vermont is where you find it" and "vermont is a state of mind" the Tibetan Buddhist believe there are two sacred energy places in the usa--in vermont and in colorado-- Chugyam Trumpa first was in Vermont, then in colorado--i saw him once--he was on a dias eating pizaa drinking beer and chainsmoking cigatettes--it was a form of shock therapy i think for american buddhists to see--he said it was to better understand the american consciousness-- i kept wondering when they would bring i a tv and turn on a football game--why not take a stereotype al the way?--well, like the sheep herders of the 19th century when the american west was opening up, Trumpa moved to colorado--Vermont before the moves in the nineteenth century, had more people than today--until 1965 the Northeast Kingdom area of Vermont had no electircity--sort of the appalachia of the North!--and the street i grew up on was right on the applacahian trail-- no wonder Something Else Press was in Vermont! you see it all comes back to Fluxus! sFrom: Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: "FLUXLIST@scribble.com" FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:49:18 -0600 Ah but m¹sieu chirot has the purest of souls. On 2/4/05 2:44 PM, "badgergirl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David B/C: As you bear a striking resemblance to Serge Gainsbourg, I'm quite taken aback to hear you grew up in Vermont. Vermont must be more louche than I imagined. BG From: "David-Baptiste Chirot" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/02/04 Fri PM 02:51:12 EST To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? home made blue flame coffee home squeezed grapefruit juice i have a hankering to drink in some of thew snow melt trickling gaily down the streets towards pooling puddles- yet is the city-- so --better no to to!yet the desire doesn't go away-- growing up in vermont we'd drink freely of this melt, so cool and fesh and smelling slightly of pine . . . ] From: Cecil Touchon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:57:45 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tequila tonic port wine and cavier -- __ Touchon Co Fine Art and Objects Classic Style - Est. Geneva, Switzerland 1901 GENEVA/tou
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In a message dated 2/3/05 8:58:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: port wine and cavier yum!
Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today?
home made blue flame coffee home squeezed grapefruit juice i have a hankering to drink in some of thew snow melt trickling gaily down the streets towards pooling puddles- yet is the city-- so --better no to to! yet the desire doesn't go away-- growing up in vermont we'd drink freely of this melt, so cool and fesh and smelling slightly of pine . . . ] From: Cecil Touchon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:57:45 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tequila tonic port wine and cavier -- __ Touchon Co Fine Art and Objects Classic Style - Est. Geneva, Switzerland 1901 GENEVA/touchon.chtel.+41(0)22-580-28-28 NEW YORK/touchon.comtel.+1-646-405-7232 LONDON/touchon.co.uk tel.+44 (0)20-7019-6363 MEXICO/casadelartista.com tel.+52-777-313-4675 MSN Premium helps protect against viruses, hackers, junk e-mail & pop-ups.
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home made blue flame coffee home squeezed grapefruit juice i have a hankering to drink in some of thew snow melt trickling gaily down the streets towards pooling puddles- yet is the city-- so --better no to to! yet the desire doesn't go away-- growing up in vermont we'd drink freely of this melt, so cool and fesh and smelling slightly of pine . . . ] From: Cecil Touchon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:57:45 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tequila tonic port wine and cavier -- __ Touchon Co Fine Art and Objects Classic Style - Est. Geneva, Switzerland 1901 GENEVA/touchon.chtel.+41(0)22-580-28-28 NEW YORK/touchon.comtel.+1-646-405-7232 LONDON/touchon.co.uk tel.+44 (0)20-7019-6363 MEXICO/casadelartista.com tel.+52-777-313-4675 MSN Premium helps protect against viruses, hackers, junk e-mail & pop-ups.
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David B/C: As you bear a striking resemblance to Serge Gainsbourg, I'm quite taken aback to hear you grew up in Vermont. Vermont must be more louche than I imagined. BG From: David-Baptiste Chirot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/02/04 Fri PM 02:51:12 EST To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? home made blue flame coffee home squeezed grapefruit juice i have a hankering to drink in some of thew snow melt trickling gaily down the streets towards pooling puddles- yet is the city-- so --better no to to! yet the desire doesn't go away-- growing up in vermont we'd drink freely of this melt, so cool and fesh and smelling slightly of pine . . . ] From: Cecil Touchon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:57:45 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tequila tonic port wine and cavier -- __ Touchon Co Fine Art and Objects Classic Style - Est. Geneva, Switzerland 1901 GENEVA/touchon.chtel.+41(0)22-580-28-28 NEW YORK/touchon.comtel.+1-646-405-7232 LONDON/touchon.co.uk tel.+44 (0)20-7019-6363 MEXICO/casadelartista.com tel.+52-777-313-4675 MSN Premium helps protect against viruses, hackers, junk e-mail & pop-ups.
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Title: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? Ah but msieu chirot has the purest of souls. On 2/4/05 2:44 PM, badgergirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David B/C: As you bear a striking resemblance to Serge Gainsbourg, I'm quite taken aback to hear you grew up in Vermont. Vermont must be more louche than I imagined. BG From: David-Baptiste Chirot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/02/04 Fri PM 02:51:12 EST To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? home made blue flame coffee home squeezed grapefruit juice i have a hankering to drink in some of thew snow melt trickling gaily down the streets towards pooling puddles- yet is the city-- so --better no to to! yet the desire doesn't go away-- growing up in vermont we'd drink freely of this melt, so cool and fesh and smelling slightly of pine . . . ] From: Cecil Touchon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:57:45 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tequila tonic port wine and cavier -- __ Touchon Co Fine Art and Objects Classic Style - Est. Geneva, Switzerland 1901 GENEVA/touchon.ch tel.+41(0)22-580-28-28 NEW YORK/touchon.com tel.+1-646-405-7232 LONDON/touchon.co.uk tel.+44 (0)20-7019-6363 MEXICO/casadelartista.com tel.+52-777-313-4675 MSN Premium helps protect against viruses, hackers, junk e-mail pop-ups. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2755??PS=47575
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sipped: coffee passion fruit and mango tea (vile beyond belief) gulped: sprizal select beer whisky
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tequila tonic
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http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3021969 Feb. 3, 2005, 11:41AM Wife accused of giving man lethal sherry enema By RICHARD STEWART Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle LAKE JACKSON - Investigators say a Lake Jackson woman caused her husband's death by giving him a sherry enema, leading to alcohol poisoning. The enema caused his blood alcohol level to soar to 0.47 percent * almost six times the legal intoxication limit, a toxicology report showed. Tammy Jean Warner, 42, was indicted on a charge of negligent homicide. She is also charged with burning the will of her husband, Michael Warner, a month before his death on May 21. Michael Warner, a 58-year-old machine shop owner, had a long history of alcoholism, but couldn't ingest alcohol by mouth because of painful medical problems with his throat, said Lake Jackson police detective Robert Turner. The enema was a way he could become intoxicated without drinking alcohol, Turner said. I heard of this kind of thing in mortuary school in 1970, but this is the first time I've ever heard of someone actually doing it, Turner said. Turner said police think Warner gave her husband at least two large bottles of sherry, which is stronger than wine, in the enema. We're not talking about little bottles here, Turner said, These were at least 1.5 liter bottles. Turner said police don't know if the victim had ever become intoxicated in that manner before the lethal incident. Tammy Warner told police that she found her husband dead in their bed. Turner said she admitted giving him the sherry enema, but not to causing his death. A person drinking alcohol will usually pass out before getting a lethal dose, Turner said. But if you're getting it through an enema, you can pass out and still be ingesting more alcohol. Tammy Warner surrendered to Lake Jackson police Monday and was released on $30,000 bond. She could not be reached for comment Wednesday. Neither Turner nor Brazoria County District Attorney Jeri Yenne would comment on the charge related to the will. The indictment said providing him with alcohol and destroying the will constituted a criminal episode. Although Michael Warner may have agreed initially to the enema as a way to become intoxicated, Yenne said, he was not a willing participant in something that would cause his death. He knew that it was very dangerous for him to have any form of alcohol and she knew it was very dangerous for him to have alcohol, Yenne said. The couple's neighbors said they were surprised Wednesday to learn of the indictment. John Criswell, 24, said the widow had mostly been away from the modest brown frame house at the end of the street since her husband died. She said she was scared to stay there by herself alone, Criswell said. She said she'd been having trouble with his family. The couple had been married about two years, police said. She asked me to keep an eye on the place, Criswell said. He said he last saw her about three weeks ago.
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tea orange juice beer in that order - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: FLUXLIST: what did you sip today? i sipped orange juice, water, and ginger ale in that order.
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hear thee, here thee
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On 1/16/05 6:31 AM, Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alan who, somewhat spooked at having these unexpected guests, feels he should perhaps go and put some trousers on O don't. I'm right over here and I've almost finished this drawing . . . . No, I am not there, I am here. bibiana padilla maltos wrote: I am here. You are there.
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i'm here drinking my tea waiting for the heat to come up from the furnace, brrr. bests, carol xx Ann Klefstad wrote: On 1/16/05 6:31 AM, Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alan who, somewhat spooked at having these unexpected guests, feels he should perhaps go and put some trousers on O don't. I'm right over here and I've almost finished this drawing . . . . No, I am not there, I am here. bibiana padilla maltos wrote: I am here. You are there.
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And I will remain furtively wandering around the house--the drawing looks great by the way... I feel cautious in this house because I hear you all kick folks out on his and or her, or some combination thereof, bums! Thanks to everyone for letting me in out of the cold. Suse From: Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] i'm here drinking my tea waiting for the heat to come up from the furnace, brrr. bests, carol xx Ann Klefstad wrote: On 1/16/05 6:31 AM, Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alan who, somewhat spooked at having these unexpected guests, feels he should perhaps go and put some trousers on O don't. I'm right over here and I've almost finished this drawing . . . . No, I am not there, I am here. bibiana padilla maltos wrote: I am here. You are there.
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Alan wrote: a) where are you hiding? if you're in my wardrobe then i hope you're not creasing my shirts! b) would you mind making me a cup of coffee, i've got a load to do here? thanks.. we cannot tell you, it's part of the game... coffee on the table... things to do here are done. *** BIBIANA PADILLA MALTOS AVTEXTFEST general coordinator Paseo de Vista Hermosa #625 Mexicali, B.C., 21240 MEXICO 233 Paulin Ave. PMB. 7263 Calexico, Ca., 92231-2646 U.S.A. + 52 686 564 5999
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thanks for the coffee. feel free to help yourself to coffe, tea, stuff in the fridge etc. mind out though! that soup on the hob is very hot
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i am not there yet, i am somewhere between here and there /björn thanks for the coffee. feel free to help yourself to coffe, tea, stuff in the fridge etc. mind out though! that soup on the hob is very hot
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In a message dated 8/23/04 3:23:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: was it perhaps an Ed and Nancy Reddin Kienholz piece, Madawg? that doesnt ring a bell- the last name might be Blain but not sure. The idea was when you walked into the garage you were suppose to have the same sensation as walking into an Egyptian tomb. Sort of uncovering the relics of a culture. Instead of a mummy it was a beat up old Dodge Dart.
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was it perhaps an Ed and Nancy ReddinKienholz piece, Madawg?
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a piece oif my mind that had found peace of mind-- via telekinetic telepathic tele-ing-- From: "brian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what I did on my summer vacation Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:22:40 -0600 was it perhaps an Ed and Nancy Reddin Kienholz piece, Madawg? Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide!
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This looks likeAllen Bukoff or Bowman performing a John Bennett poem.-Don http://www.doneboyd.com check out my website for the latest images! _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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Yes indeed. And I hope you've seen the film of Ack's story made by Sleeze Steele - quite amazing, they actually made the suit. John At 01:30 PM 5/26/2004 -0400, you wrote: Ah...something to go with Al Ackermans Vienna sausage suit! We could even cook up a food-based fashion show. Sure, it would probably smell pretty bad Or better yet, we could waste a lot of time planning it, but never quite accomplish anything! Hands up those of you who remember the Miss General Idea pagent. BG From: John M. Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/05/25 Tue PM 12:49:49 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? How about sewing all those omlettes together to make a suit? John At 12:35 PM 5/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___ __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
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Ominous, I would say. Although, some days I'm just really easy to invoke. Other days, well, less so. BG That's twice I've thought of you in the last week. Weird, eh? -Roger -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um...
Re: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Oh, yes please!! I've got a slew of badgers I owe letters to. Perhaps I'll send them the omlettes as well (although I know they prefer Oreo cookies smeared with jam, as do I). I will send you something useless and flat in return. Badgergirl From: michael leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/05/25 Tue PM 02:55:33 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? ---Are the omlettes badger shaped? I only ask because I've just discovered a badger shaped notebook made especially for the National Trust( I think its made from recycled badger hair) and possibly they would buy the badger shaped omlettes from you for use as bathmats, coasters or doilies? Its worth thinking about. Anyway, the badger shaped notebook is yours, Badgergirl, if you want it? I don't know why I've kept hold of it for so long because the chances of me ever writing to a real badger are very slim. Michael badgergirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Ah...something to go with Al Ackermans Vienna sausage suit! We could even cook up a food-based fashion show. Sure, it would probably smell pretty bad Or better yet, we could waste a lot of time planning it, but never quite accomplish anything! Hands up those of you who remember the Miss General Idea pagent. BG From: John M. Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/05/25 Tue PM 12:49:49 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? How about sewing all those omlettes together to make a suit? John At 12:35 PM 5/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Badgergirl asks - And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? I am indeed, thank you. I was visiting an infant school in Shoeburyness today and saw a road sign which said Beware of Badgers. Well, actually it was a red triangle which simply said Badgers. I would have stopped to photograph it but I was in a stream of medium to slow moving traffic at the time. That's twice I've thought of you in the last week. Weird, eh? -Roger -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um...
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?/the Badger State (where i live)
Esteemed Ones: with all the tlak of badgers-- i like iin the Badger State--Wisconsin, usa-- the mascot/image of the sports teams (formidable ones i may add--including 3 Rose Bowl wins in last ten years and several Big Ten Championships in american college football)--are called The Badgers--and the mascot is "Bucky Badger"--for his buckteeth--ferocious forward strolling on two legs badger--! once wrote to ask badger girl if she was from Wisconsin--but isn't-- i grew up in Vermont, the Catamount being our mascot--a wild cat that is supposedly extinct yet occaisionally still claimed to be sighted-- i live in Milwaukee --the mascot/symbol of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee is a black panther--and Marquette, in a very controversial decision, changed from being the Warriors, which offended American Indian groups, to the Golden Eagles-- the State Motto is: forward have always liked that one--in which of the four directions moving forward?--towards where?-- well, as the song says, "On Wisconsin"--!follwoing our Badger leader-- From: "Roger Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:47:04 +0100 Badgergirl asks - And you, Roger Dodger?Are you well? I am indeed, thank you. I was visiting an infant school in Shoeburyness today and saw a road sign which said Beware of Badgers. Well, actually it was a red triangle which simply said Badgers. I would have stopped to photograph it but I was in a stream of medium to slow moving traffic at the time. That's twice I've thought of you in the last week. Weird, eh? -Roger -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no!That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... Get 200+ ad-free, high-fidelity stations and LIVE Major League Baseball Gameday Audio!
Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?/the Badger State (where i live)
In a message dated 5/26/04 3:28:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i like iin the Badger State--Wisconsin, usa-- I thought it was Michigan???
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um...
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
How about sewing all those omlettes together to make a suit? John At 12:35 PM 5/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
---Are the omlettes badger shaped? I only ask because I've just discovered a badger shaped notebook made especially for the National Trust( I think its made from recycled badger hair) and possibly they would buy the badger shaped omlettes from you for use as bathmats, coasters or doilies? Its worth thinking about. Anyway, the badger shaped notebook is yours, Badgergirl, if you want it? I don't know why I've kept hold of it for so long because the chances of me ever writing to a real badger are very slim. Michael badgergirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um...
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um...
Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Let's talk about Fluxus. Our Great Friend Ben Patterson, whose 70th birthday is to happen on May 29th, has decided to celebrate it on the summit of the mount Fuji. As he likes to do things well (doesn't he? Owen, Alan, Ken, you can join in here ;-), As he hates planes, As he still embodies, among others, the very pure flux of fluxus (which means an incredible mixed-up of heteroclit stuff that-has-something-in-common-somewhere-and-represent-the-Grace-in-itself-but -nobody-knows-what-or-how, one-can-just-feel-one-is-at-the-perfect-place-to-be-at-the-very-moment-one-h as-to-be,doing-the-exact-thing-to-do-to-add-some-more-beauty-to-our-world-th at-most-of-people-won't-notice-even-though-anyone-can) As he knows his Little Fluxus Illustrated by heart He has decided to get up to there by the Transsiberian first, then by the Transmongolian, then by ferry-boat, then by train, then by foot . Three details: He left from Berlin, where Emmett Williams and Ann Noel brought him to the train He will perform about 30 fluxus concerts all along the way to Japan, realizing though a very old dream of Maciunas (for the ones who really cares, see the planned schedule for Fluxus concerts in the very first fluxus newsletter (around may 62) in the catalogue FLuxus etc.) He has financed the whole operation all by himself (he sold out a very nice graphic about the project and put his own money for the remaining expenses) You can check that on our website at http://www.4t.fluxus.net/40p-a-lo.htm and it's even in English ;-))) But the very, very, very nice thing, is what Our Great Friend Takako Saito did when she learned about Ben's project. She sent him some seeds in a very nice and fragile box, (the one she usually uses to perform Silent Music) that Ben will have to realease on Mount Fuji once at the top. This already so nice. But she did even better. She sent seeds in very nice and fragile boxes to the closests friends of Ben , and asked them to release them on the 29th of May, in his honour. To me this is actual secret Fluxus. In fact the actual Fluxus Bertrand - Original Message - From: Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? secret fluxus thank you for an interesting and eloquent response. re: Discussions of history, criticism, or theory occupy a tiny fraction of list volume - significantly less than 5%. List members seem to consider the suggestion that we discuss these kinds of issues from time to time a bad idea. We gather that this has been the case on Fluxlist in the past. I don't think that this is viewed as a bad idea, however problems have arisen due to the sheer nature of fluxus. a major problem, i feel, is that due to an inherent need for classification fluxus has become something that it never actually was. this is a point that i have made before. in my opinion fluxus can not be viewed as a single entity, a group, a movement discussions of history, criticism etc is that often all we hear is the same thing, repeated over and over again. i admit, i have not come up with anything new myself and am more than willing to listen. also, many of the participants of the fluxlist are artists in their own right, working in a very wide range of disciplines. they create, perhaps their energies are focused elsewhere, i know mine certainly are. many of us have read widely around fluxus, others are concerned with certain areas or artists, many listmembers have been involved in recurring fluxus discussions - perhaps it's just that many of us are waiting for something new to pop up. i personally dont see the point of rehashing old arguments, we can refer to the archives for that. the influence of 'fluxus ideals' on contemporary practise is more interesting to me as it brings up the 'what is fluxus?' question, which i've already stated - i haven't seen an answer which satisfies me as yet (hopefully, owen, bertrand et al can join in here) alan
Re: FLUXLIST: What is the purpose of Fluxlist?
In a message dated 5/22/04 4:17:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I once compared it to a party. Everyone there has some kind of interest in Fluxus. Sometimes you recreate Fluxus events, make-up new ones, discuss Fluxus Meet interesting people sometimes you get drunk or stoned, lie on the carpet and listen to music. I quite like that. I remember when you said that-- when Death Couple was on the list- now thems wuz the days!!! Too bad Secretfluxus couldnt been around for that one.
Re: FLUXLIST: What is the dolphin of Fluxlist?
the oldest profession could be said the artist as shaman art isnt about what you do-its about who you are. the product of art is merely the relic of the thought process. Secretfluxus wants to do as the elephants and kick bones around in the graveyard for awhile--I have empathy for that. Madawg
RE: FLUXLIST: What is the porpoise of Fluxlist?
Hmmm Tricky one Is it having fun with language in art context Is it playing with butter and eggs in a restaurant Is it analysing a joke but not finding it funny Sure beats me XXX Roger
Re: FLUXLIST: What is the purpose of Fluxlist?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is the purpose of Fluxlist? I speak only for myself but it seems to me that the NETlist is not so much about FLUXUS as it is FLUXUS. As for FLUXUS, Fluxlist, word games, sex, brown things in the grass in parks and even woobly grinks, well they can all be disappointing or even extremely disappointing. Again speaking for myself Ive found it useful subscribing to this NETlist and indeed unless Id done so secretFLUXUS might well have remained a mystery, and the DEADLYsecret , it was to me some months ago. Now that might not have been a BADthing but I guess my life is a little richer for the experience and as for my PhD Thesis, its going nicely thank you. May I suggest that if you are not finding enough then perhaps you are not turning over enough rocks to look under euphemistically speaking. Or maybe its that you are not adding much so there is much less to take away. And anyway, why would/should a discussion about such things become uncomfortable? Now in regard to your unhappiness there are some things, very positive things, that you can do about that and we could all start a list right here and now and see how long it could get: Possibility # Z4_1116: Start a NETlist totally dedicated to a singular view of an attitude Possibility # Z4b_1116/a: Start a NETlist totally dedicated to the serious investigation of nothing Possibility # Z4c_1116/b: Start a NETlist totally dedicated to the serious investigation of somethingness Possibility # Z1_1/x: Do all of the above Possibility # Y6_66-69: Say something outrageous and stand back Possibility # Y6/b_66-69-a: Say something outrageous and keep saying it Possibility # Y6/c_66-69-b: Think something outrageous and tell someone Possibility # Z75_7765: Find a friend and ask them if its Monday Possibility # Z75/a_7765-2: Find a cook and ask her/him how to mix eggs and butter or something artistically! Possibility # DA42_00042: Contemplate 42 and tree planting in both this and reverse order Possibility # A54_8963: Reduce the circle of acquaintances you engage with and insist on talking about rain. Possibility # KK1_0066: Invest in pictures of light by Americas most famous artists Possibility # Zz1_0001: Seek alternative visions of the same Unfortunately Im moving away from the edge slightly and going to Australia for a week or so. Therefore, Ill not be able engage deeply in this discourse unless its still going when I return to the edge, CYBERaccess is restored and theSPAM has not drowned it. The risks we take and now Ive got to and go pack my safety gear and fill my wallet. Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the servers up) BTW: its SILLYweek a compound noun but more to the point its worldSILLYweek a compound idea if not a confounding one On 22/5/04 3:17 AM, secret fluxus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends, We have just read three complete issues of Fluxlist Digest without reading a single issue, idea, or topic on Fluxus or anything related to it. We read some poems, some word games about wobbly grinks and vital defects, the announcement for a video show and something about silly week. While there is nothing wrong with this, there is nothing interesting or useful either. This is the kind of material one expects to see on Yahoo mail art chat lists. We subscribed to Fluxlist hoping for something better. Is anyone here interested in Fluxus? We subscribed based on the Fluxlist statement of purpose, but it seems that these purposes do not reflect the current interests of ist members. We would be interested to know why the others here subscribe. At risk of launching an uncomfortable discussion, we want to ask whether others are as unhappy as we are with a list that has nothing to do with Fluxus. Secret Fluxus _ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/
Re: FLUXLIST: What to do?
Miekal, I've receied my CD. But if you still need my snail mail it is: Don Boyd 75 S. Main St., Fredericktown, OH 43019-Don _ From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio
Re: FLUXLIST: What to do?
hi mIEKAL. i am very confused; do i get a copy of the CD even if i didn't contribute to it??? as a contributor to the fluxboxor should i be sending you some money and an address for the CD???which i would be happy to do. i would also like to buy another copy for the taos FM station. hi crispin, would love a progress report on the fluxbox and would like to know if it will be possible to buy one for the museum here. bests, carol xx carol starr po box 2472 taos, new mexico usa mIEKAL aND wrote: ~I havent heard from Crispin regarding whether I should send him this stack of CDs for the FLUXBOX project. I suppose I could get the mailinglist mail one individually to each one who has a box. Please advise. ~Also everyone who is on FLUXUATIONS CD will receive a copy from me, but I dont have all of your mailing addresses. I need mailing addresses from: alan bowman, brad brace, alex cook, brekekekexboaxkoax (think that's Josh R), anne drogyness, rod stasiak, roger stevens, don boy, sol nte cecil touchon... ~And if anyone is in contact with radio DJs who play this kind of thing, Im doing a smear campaign will send out 20-30 free to select recommended DJs or reviewers. Send me their contact info or point them to the webpage: http://www.xexoxial.org/fluxuations/initiation.html mIEKAL
Re: FLUXLIST: What to do?
On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 07:49 AM, Carol Starr wrote: hi mIEKAL. i am very confused; do i get a copy of the CD even if i didn't contribute to it??? as a contributor to the fluxboxor should i be sending you some money and an address for the CD???which i would be happy to do. i would also like to buy another copy for the taos FM station. Carol: I sent out a free contributor copy to everyone on the CD itself in addition sent 50 to Crispin to include in the boxes. Also if you backchannel me the radio station's mailing address contact person I'll be happy to send them a CD. Copies are also for sale for $7. They would make great christmas presents for people with musical horizons that need exposure to do-it-yourself audio art. ordering info is at: http://www.xexoxial.org/fluxuations/initiation.html mIEKAL 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND http://www.joglars.org http://www.spidertangle.net http://www.xexoxial.org http://www.neologisms.us http://www.dreamtimevillage.org The word is the first stereotype. Isidore Isou, 1947.
Re: FLUXLIST: What to do?
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Re: FLUXLIST: What is Fluxus?
George Free wrote: Actually, I didn't find this account that idiosyncratic. For example, Eric's effort to distance Fluxus from what Maciunas tried to define it as is one that can be found in varying degrees in a lot of the original accounts of Fluxus. I must say that Eric's participation on Fluxlist often left me disappointed but this article was pretty interesting from several points. whilst one can distance from Maciunas I think the whole Fluxus phenomenon would not have happened without him, he was the engine if you like..and Fluxus was the car that had been around for years (ideologically) but now it could finally go somewhere. As with most experimental art it leaves precious few traces unless someone shouts about it and Fluxus was born out of Maciunas's desire to shout about it. The thing to remember is that Maciunas did define Fluxus and whilst one can distance Fluxus from Maciunas in some ways it does not take long before one arrives at a completely different place. Let's be honest without Maciunas we would have just had Neo-Dada Festivals instead of Fluxus Festivals. I thought the point that Fluxus represented what was possibly the first international organization of artists was interesting. That's one of the most impressive things. I appreciate Eric's effort to distinguish living Fluxus from what some art scholars try to turn it into -- and would like to learn more about that. For example, the attempt to define Fluxus as a movment begining and ending with Maciunas seems highly contentious I think the Maciunas-centric view comes from two points. 1) it's the only explanation that is conceptually/historically easy to absorb. 2) Gilbert and Lila Silverman don't want to wake up one day to realise they've spent their fortune on some crappy plastic boxes - if the end isn't firmly associated with the end of Maciunas then Maciunas's place in Fluxus falls because in the years since his death many other Fluxus artists have produced large bodies of work, in turn this would reduce the value of Maciunas-produced artefacts. So there seems to be an economic argument for certain historical perspectives. The Fluxus Codex is the best example of this. From his remarks, I also understand now why he attacks the notion that Fluxus stemmed from the encounter with Cage, etc... Well I think Eric is trying to point out how important the European contribution was..that Fluxus isn't just some New York thing? It would be a good use of Fluxlist to discuss this article... Well, I'm pleased to see I'm engaging in good use ;-) cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Fluxus?
Actually, I didn't find this account that idiosyncratic. For example, Eric's effort to distance Fluxus from what Maciunas tried to define it as is one that can be found in varying degrees in a lot of the original accounts of Fluxus. I thought the point that Fluxus represented what was possibly the first international organization of artists was interesting. I appreciate Eric's effort to distinguish living Fluxus from what some art scholars try to turn it into -- and would like to learn more about that. For example, the attempt to define Fluxus as a movment begining and ending with Maciunas seems highly contentious From his remarks, I also understand now why he attacks the notion that Fluxus stemmed from the encounter with Cage, etc... It would be a good use of Fluxlist to discuss this article... cheers, George On Sat, 01 Sep 2001, allen bukoff wrote: More discoveries. Eric Anderson's idiosyncratic view of Fluxus: http://www.performance-festival-odense.dk/whatis.html
Re: FLUXLIST: What is the Millennial Workbook?
Actually, I'd prefer emailed contributions for the millennial edition. However, my address is: Eryk Salvaggio 8 Diana Drive Salem, NH 03079 David Baptiste Chirot wrote: Dear friend Eryk: thanks so much for the elucidation i will go straight to the Bible and have my life irrevocably changed and be baptised anew in the waters of oblivion seriously though--i have many many old scores o send yr way (as opposed t "old scores to settle"!--gawd forbid we start getting out old hatchets that shd have long ago been buried let alone shot guns and the like, a real feud of the old fashioned variety!) so will get them in the mail s i like so much yr idea of the above all simplicity and clarity away with all the high falatun' ultratechnological special effects blowhardedness of so much of what passes as "spectacle" any more! esp when the true pyrotechnics are provided for us free of charge--though laden with the charge of electricty--in thunderstorm, volcanos, earthquakes, tornados--you name it--avalanches, flash floods-- as wellas outbreaks of deiseases, riots, wars, reigious revivals--you name it we usre do live among a busy world of billions of creatures--humand and nn human--not to metniton spirits and etc--and the wonderful ways of old mther nature! never a dull moment! well i will get these scores off to you-- though i do find verywhere nottations of the most marvelous sort--cracks in walls and sidewlaks, the patnas of dust and rust--arrangeents of rubbihs, the palimptsests of layerngs of posters on telephone poles, tire marks and animal tracks--the caligraphies of tree branche agsint the sky or shadowed on walls--the relfectins of windows moving with the shifts of light-- notations everywhere, singing and signing and ignalling., calling out--urging us to dance or be in call and response! onwo/ards! dave baptiste ps please make sure i have yr address crrect eryck--i believe is in nh? (Live Free or Die)
Re: FLUXLIST: What is the Millennial Workbook?
magichanical thinking performance cliche (1) (supposedly the ignition system of your car fault at middle of traffic you don't know how to fix it) 1.- open the bonnet top panel of the car bodywork. 2.- keep it open up (with two hands) while watching the engine with ignorant face (5 seconds). 3.- shut up the top panel with violence putting all your soul thinking that this action will solve the ignition problem. (repeat action with abrupt rhytms intervals to going inside car trying to start the engine "normally" how many times you need; if the magichanical thinking performance cliche (1) "doesn't work" for a while, end the action --preferible before you loose the battery power--, call for help with a megaphone; print the score give to people interested in what is wrong with you car) At 03:07 pm -0700 18/9/00, Eryk Salvaggio wrote: The millenial workbook is simply a collection of new performance scripts. The old workbook can be seen, and used, if you're at all like me, as a new religion: http://www.nutscape.com/fluxus/homepage/fpw_indx.html Of course, simplicity of the score is crucial as they are to be performed as music; if you notice, the sparse nature of the instructions is a key piece of the beauty of these pieces. While people are welcome to write scripts for the book, I was hoping merely to "collect" scripts that are already existing. But who amm I to stop the party? If you get inspired by the old school workbook, send one in, wether to the list or to me directly. -e.
Re: FLUXLIST: What is the Millennial Workbook?
a weed is just a flower by another name... dig up and plant weeds in garden shop flower pots. most are blooming now with lovely flowers. set up roadside stand. give one to all who stop. -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FLUXLIST: What is the Millennial Workbook?
Always drive too slow in the fast lane. Off to Canada tomorrow. Who will takeover Ken's Fluxlist? /:b
Re: FLUXLIST: What is the Millennial Workbook?
Dear friend Eryk: thanks so much for the elucidation i will go straight to the Bible and have my life irrevocably changed and be baptised anew in the waters of oblivion seriously though--i have many many old scores o send yr way (as opposed t "old scores to settle"!--gawd forbid we start getting out old hatchets that shd have long ago been buried let alone shot guns and the like, a real feud of the old fashioned variety!) so will get them in the mail s i like so much yr idea of the above all simplicity and clarity away with all the high falatun' ultratechnological special effects blowhardedness of so much of what passes as "spectacle" any more! esp when the true pyrotechnics are provided for us free of charge--though laden with the charge of electricty--in thunderstorm, volcanos, earthquakes, tornados--you name it--avalanches, flash floods-- as wellas outbreaks of deiseases, riots, wars, reigious revivals--you name it we usre do live among a busy world of billions of creatures--humand and nn human--not to metniton spirits and etc--and the wonderful ways of old mther nature! never a dull moment! well i will get these scores off to you-- though i do find verywhere nottations of the most marvelous sort--cracks in walls and sidewlaks, the patnas of dust and rust--arrangeents of rubbihs, the palimptsests of layerngs of posters on telephone poles, tire marks and animal tracks--the caligraphies of tree branche agsint the sky or shadowed on walls--the relfectins of windows moving with the shifts of light-- notations everywhere, singing and signing and ignalling., calling out--urging us to dance or be in call and response! onwo/ards! dave baptiste ps please make sure i have yr address crrect eryck--i believe is in nh? (Live Free or Die)
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Fluxus? What is Dada?
Marc asks: for such a long time i'm thinking about the question, what the difference between DADA and FLUXUS is? I think the most important thing to realise is that many of the similarities between Dada and Fluxus are superficial. Many people think of the performances at the Cabaret Voltaire and compare them to Fluxus events. Perhaps the most important thing is intent: In other words what was each group trying to achieve? The Fluxus events were designed as a simple actions that could be realised by anyone. This was not the case with Dada performances which were really much closer to theatre than performance art. Dada did not offer the general public a chance to perform Dada works in the way that Fluxus did/does. I think that perhaps Dada is like an uncle to Fluxus, offering advice and possibilities rather than instructions and method. But Dada and Fluxus are often linked in the mind, perhaps Duchamp is the glue that binds them together? Most importantly Dada did not possess the democracy of Fluxus. Dada retained class distinctions which Fluxus ignored. Fluxus is open to all, Dada was not. Dada was more politicised than Fluxus although Maciunas(but not Fluxus as a whole) had similar (communist) political leanings. Dada was not concerned with intermedia. Fluxus was. The early manifestations of Fluxus-type works (1958 onwards) were labelled Neo-Dada by the commentators of the day. Perhaps early on Fluxus was closer to Dada in being somewhat "anti-art"...certainly Maciunas held this position. However Fluxus was/is the sum of it's participants and was/is a paradigm as oppose to a distinct movement like Dada. This is why Fluxus is still functioning now in the 21st century whereas Dada died fairly quickly and had to be reincarnated in surrealist work. So anyway, these are difficult questions. I really think that Dada is best described as an organised attack on the artistic culture of its day. I see Fluxus as a creative paradigm for artistic activity, to me Fluxus offers a system of creative production in which one considers what one has created, the media one has used and the effect this creation has in the external world. The results of such consideration then provide the basis for future work. In this aspect Fluxus is like a scientific approach to creativity. Dada on the other hand is the use of a new creativity to subvert traditional modes of creativity, there is no interest in the essence and impact of creativity itself as there is in Fluxus. I think that Maciunas's early vision of Fluxus was as Neo-Dada. I think it is thanks to the vast number and variety of participants in Fluxus over the years that it has become so much more than that. Of course I may be wrong. The best explanation is that Fluxus feels different to Dada. Fluxus is heavier and is unlikely to hurt when you try to pick it up. cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Fluxus? What is Dada?
Marc asks: for such a long time i'm thinking about the question, what the difference between DADA and FLUXUS is? But Dada and Fluxus are often linked in the mind, perhaps Duchamp is the glue that binds them together? To me Duchamp figures largely in the connection between Dada and Fluxus- his formulation of the ready-made. This idea was important to Fluxus. Ben Vautier has been quoted as saying "Without Cage and Duchamp, Fluxus would have been impossible." or something to that effect. Most importantly Dada did not possess the democracy of Fluxus. Dada retained class distinctions which Fluxus ignored. Fluxus is open to all, Dada was not. Dada was more politicised than Fluxus although Maciunas(but not Fluxus as a whole) had similar (communist) political leanings. Dada was not concerned with intermedia. Fluxus was. Here I disagree. What about Dada poetry and collage which is an intermedial form? The simultaneous use of words and pictures in visual art is something we can attribute to Dada and this is intermedial. Reed
