fop-0.20.3rc2 problems

2002-02-28 Thread Keiron Liddle

Hi Christian,

There is one problem with the rc2. It appears that the TextState, ts, is 
not initialised in FObjMixed. Causing the following error.
java.lang.NullPointerException
 at org.apache.fop.fo.FObjMixed.addCharacters(FObjMixed.java:47)
 at 
org.apache.fop.fo.FOTreeBuilder.characters(FOTreeBuilder.java:166)
This happens with the markers example, glossary.xml, glossary.xsl.


As for the logger, maybe this should be updated to the latest version 
rather than b4.

Keiron.

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Re: [REDESIGN] TextLayoutManager whitespace handling

2002-02-28 Thread Keiron Liddle

Hi Karen,

I seem to be having a bit of trouble getting that text parsing right. I 
was mainly just trying to get something to work to see on the output.
It should be able to be simplified thanks to the earlöier whitespace 
handling.
I still wonder what should be done in a situation like:
blocksome text inline text-decoration=underline more 
textinlineblock
Is the space before more underlined or not?

Keiron.

On 2002.02.23 18:30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Keiron,
 
 I see you've actually started to make TextLayoutManager do something. I
 noticed during my CTM testing with the PDF renderer, that it's eating
 the first character of my text, ie. Hello world came out as ello
 world. Since I don't think you're French which could account for not
 pronouncing the 'h', I thought it might be due to the 'wordStart + 1'
 used to set the text for the Word Area.
 
 I also noticed there's a lot of whitespace handling in the code still. A
 few months ago I put some white-space handling into the FO tree building
 logic. In fo.flow.Block.end(), it basically iterates over all its kids
 and tries to get rid of all the unnecessary white-space before it gets
 to the layout manager.
 The idea was that the LM would only see the whitespace it was actually
 supposed to layout and the linefeeds which were real line-break
 characters.
 
 I haven't studied the new TextLM code in detail, but I would think it
 could be simplified based on that approach.
 
 Regards,
 Karen



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Re: problem building on macosx

2002-02-28 Thread joseph . aloysius . gilvary


Do you have multiple JVMs installed, or have you recently added
the release version of JDK 1.4?

I had a similar set of problems early this week. When I uninstalled
JDK 1.3, and re-installed it, I was able to get FOP building and running
again with 1.3. I had been experiencing strange errors (ClassFormatError,
wrong major/minor version, etc) for the first day or so after I installed
JDK 1.4.

This was on Windows 2000, however. I found the only JAVA_HOME
in the registry pointed to the 1.4 install, no matter what I set for the
environment variables in Control Panel. It seems the registry value
somehow overrides the environment. Putting tools.jar explicitly on
the classpath allowed Ant to start, but it always failed. The prebuilt
fop.jar would die with the class format problem.

If you have added or changed the VM settings, and 1.4 is involved,
then perhaps Mac has a system setting somewhere that the 1.4 VM
sets at install and looks for when running.

I didn't get to see the actual error until I changed fop.sh to use verbose
on java. Maybe adding verbose to the build.xml will help getting to the
bottom of this issue.

A lot of ifs, I know. Hope it helps.

 Joe



   
   
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Thanks for the suggestion, but the same problem occurs.

In an earlier mail you said you had this line in your shell profile:
export ANT_HOME=/Users/stephen/devtools/jakarta-ant-1.4.1

Maybe that is causing ant to look for tasks in that directory rather
than in the fop lib?
Try setting ANT_HOME to /Users/stephen/apache/xml-fop/lib or wherever
the buildtools.jar is.

Regards,
Karen

Stephen Bannasch wrote:

 What happens if you remove hyphenation from this line
 
 target name=package depends=compile,hyphenation
 
 in build.xml?

 same error:

 init:
  [echo] --- Fop 0.20.3 [1999-2002] 

 BUILD FAILED

 /Users/stephen/apache/xml-fop/build.xml:272: taskdef class
org.apache.fop.tools.anttasks.SerializeHyphPattern cannot be found

 If I comment out line 272:

 !-- taskdef name=serHyph classname
=org.apache.fop.tools.anttasks.SerializeHyphPattern/  --
  taskdef name=xslt classname
=org.apache.fop.tools.anttasks.Xslt/

 then it dies on the next taskdef on line 273

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RE: [REDESIGN] TextLayoutManager whitespace handling

2002-02-28 Thread Arved Sandstrom

Hi, Keiron

My gut feeling is that with an initial score-spaces value of true, and
since 6.6.3 tells us that we treat characters as fo:character, and
score-spaces is applicable to fo:character, I would say that the underline
applies to the space.

Regards,
Arved

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Subject: Re: [REDESIGN] TextLayoutManager whitespace handling


Hi Karen,

I seem to be having a bit of trouble getting that text parsing right. I
was mainly just trying to get something to work to see on the output.
It should be able to be simplified thanks to the earlöier whitespace
handling.
I still wonder what should be done in a situation like:
blocksome text inline text-decoration=underline more
textinlineblock
Is the space before more underlined or not?

Keiron.

On 2002.02.23 18:30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Keiron,

 I see you've actually started to make TextLayoutManager do something. I
 noticed during my CTM testing with the PDF renderer, that it's eating
 the first character of my text, ie. Hello world came out as ello
 world. Since I don't think you're French which could account for not
 pronouncing the 'h', I thought it might be due to the 'wordStart + 1'
 used to set the text for the Word Area.

 I also noticed there's a lot of whitespace handling in the code still. A
 few months ago I put some white-space handling into the FO tree building
 logic. In fo.flow.Block.end(), it basically iterates over all its kids
 and tries to get rid of all the unnecessary white-space before it gets
 to the layout manager.
 The idea was that the LM would only see the whitespace it was actually
 supposed to layout and the linefeeds which were real line-break
 characters.

 I haven't studied the new TextLM code in detail, but I would think it
 could be simplified based on that approach.

 Regards,
 Karen



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cvs commit: xml-fop/src/org/apache/fop/fo FObjMixed.java

2002-02-28 Thread chrisg

chrisg  02/02/28 04:20:02

  Modified:src/org/apache/fop/fo Tag: fop-0_20_2-maintain
FObjMixed.java
  Log:
  quick fix for Markers (thanks to Keiron)
  
  Revision  ChangesPath
  No   revision
  
  
  No   revision
  
  
  1.12.2.3  +6 -4  xml-fop/src/org/apache/fop/fo/FObjMixed.java
  
  Index: FObjMixed.java
  ===
  RCS file: /home/cvs/xml-fop/src/org/apache/fop/fo/FObjMixed.java,v
  retrieving revision 1.12.2.2
  retrieving revision 1.12.2.3
  diff -u -r1.12.2.2 -r1.12.2.3
  --- FObjMixed.java9 Jan 2002 11:32:57 -   1.12.2.2
  +++ FObjMixed.java28 Feb 2002 12:20:02 -  1.12.2.3
  @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
   /*
  - * $Id: FObjMixed.java,v 1.12.2.2 2002/01/09 11:32:57 keiron Exp $
  + * $Id: FObjMixed.java,v 1.12.2.3 2002/02/28 12:20:02 chrisg Exp $
* Copyright (C) 2001 The Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved.
* For details on use and redistribution please refer to the
* LICENSE file included with these sources.
  @@ -44,9 +44,11 @@
   // addChild(new FOText(data, start, length, this));
   FOText ft = new FOText(data, start, length, this);
   ft.setLogger(log);
  -ft.setUnderlined(ts.getUnderlined());
  -ft.setOverlined(ts.getOverlined());
  -ft.setLineThrough(ts.getLineThrough());
  +if (ts != null) {
  +ft.setUnderlined(ts.getUnderlined());
  +ft.setOverlined(ts.getOverlined());
  +ft.setLineThrough(ts.getLineThrough());
  +}
   addChild(ft);
   
   }
  
  
  

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Re: fop-0.20.3rc2 problems

2002-02-28 Thread Christian Geisert

Keiron Liddle wrote:

 Hi Christian,
 
 There is one problem with the rc2. It appears that the TextState, ts, is 
 not initialised in FObjMixed. Causing the following error.
 java.lang.NullPointerException
 at org.apache.fop.fo.FObjMixed.addCharacters(FObjMixed.java:47)
 at 
 org.apache.fop.fo.FOTreeBuilder.characters(FOTreeBuilder.java:166)
 This happens with the markers example, glossary.xml, glossary.xsl.


Fixed.
(seems like I'm to blame for this bug .. we definitely need more tests)

Thanks Keiron!

 As for the logger, maybe this should be updated to the latest version 
 rather than b4.


Latest version is 1.0.1, seems like we just can replace the jar.

I'll try it this evening and if I notice no problems I'll make the release.

 Keiron.

Christian


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Re: Options

2002-02-28 Thread Peter B. West

Jeremias,

Jeremias Maerki wrote:

Peter

(comments inline)

In config.xml:

  entry
keyuserConfigFileName/key
valueuserconfig.xml/value
  /entry


Ok, that means FOP looks in the current directory for userconfig.xml.
I can agree with that. I guess there are pros and cons: This mechanism
can reduce the work that needs to be done to get FOP running in embedded
mode. But on the other hand, I'm not sure if it cuts on flexibility when
you want to provide a special configuration.


Then you use the command line.

  entry
keylanguageConfigFileName/key
valuexml-lang.xml/value
  /entry

(More on languageConfigFileName later.)

In userconfig.xml, allow things like

  entry
keyfoFileName/key
value/home/pbw/public_html/xml/newtest3.fo/value
  /entry

  entry
keyinputMode/key
valuefo/value
  /entry

  entry
keyfoFileName/key
value/home/pbw/public_html/xml/newtest3.fo/value
  /entry

  entry
keyoutputMode/key
valuepdf/value
  /entry

  entry
keyoutputFileName/key
value/home/pbw/public_html/xml/newtest3.pdf/value
  /entry


Now, I think you're really start mixing things. I strongly recommend to
separate configuration (as the filename says) and processing
instructions. What you want to do means creating a new userconfig.xml
for each call to FOP. This is much easier using the command line (and
faster).

Any other opinions?

No, it doesn't mean creating a new userconfig file for each invocation; 
that's what the command line is for.  It's a convenience for special 
requirements for, e.g., developers.  Command line trumps userconfig.  Is 
it nice?  No.  Is it useful?  Yes.  In any case, it seems that in Java 
environments, the command line may not be the best way to pass such 
things around.  What do you do on a Mac?

The language file (see attached) is just a validation mechanism for 
certain attribute/property values.  It (currently) requires the 
org.apache.fop.configuration.LanguageFileReader class which reads the 
xml-lang.xml file and builds three HashMaps, which are installed in 
Configuration.


I don't get you here. What do you need the language validation for?

For completeness.  I can specify country, language and script, and these 
may be acted upon in respect of hyphenation.  Two situations may arise. 
 1) That particular language/country/script may have no support in this 
version of FOP.  2) There is no such language/country/script.  When I'm 
parsing one of these attributes, I like to be able to detect the second 
situation at the point of parsing.


Peter


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C# version of FOP

2002-02-28 Thread Sarandos Steve

I have been working on converting FOP to C# for a project I'm working on.
I currently have a C# version producing EMF page images from the example FOP
files from 0.20.3rc.  I'm producing EMF right now since that is the specific
format my application requires.  To ease my conversion effort I backed out
the SVG code (so I wouldn't have to convert Batik yet) and I removed the
PDFRenderer (since I'm not interested in PDF currently).  I focused on
converting the AWTRenderer to produce EMF page images.  I don't think it
will be that much work to add the PDFRenderer back in later -- minus SVG of
course.

I wanted to find out if any of you are interested in a C# version of FOP or,
if not, then if you could direct me to a group that might be.  I would like
to get an a open source group started on developing this version further.

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Re: Options

2002-02-28 Thread Jeremias Maerki

Hi Peter

snip/

 Now, I think you're really start mixing things. I strongly recommend to
 separate configuration (as the filename says) and processing
 instructions. What you want to do means creating a new userconfig.xml
 for each call to FOP. This is much easier using the command line (and
 faster).
 
 Any other opinions?
 
 No, it doesn't mean creating a new userconfig file for each invocation; 
 that's what the command line is for.  It's a convenience for special 
 requirements for, e.g., developers.  Command line trumps userconfig.  Is 
 it nice?  No.  Is it useful?  Yes.  In any case, it seems that in Java 
 environments, the command line may not be the best way to pass such 
 things around.  What do you do on a Mac?

You'll have to create a GUI or use OS X. :-) Well, that leads me to the
question: What are you actually trying to do? We're talking about
solutions here, but not what you need them for (I think).

 The language file (see attached) is just a validation mechanism for 
 certain attribute/property values.  It (currently) requires the 
 org.apache.fop.configuration.LanguageFileReader class which reads the 
 xml-lang.xml file and builds three HashMaps, which are installed in 
 Configuration.
 
 
 I don't get you here. What do you need the language validation for?
 
 For completeness.  I can specify country, language and script, and these 
 may be acted upon in respect of hyphenation.  Two situations may arise. 
  1) That particular language/country/script may have no support in this 
 version of FOP.  2) There is no such language/country/script.  When I'm 
 parsing one of these attributes, I like to be able to detect the second 
 situation at the point of parsing.

I'm lost. Sorry, but I really can't follow you.

Cheers,
Jeremias Märki

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Re: FOP0.20.3

2002-02-28 Thread Chuck Paussa


Markers are broken in Fop-0.20.3rc2 the presence of an fo:marker tag -- 
error
I don't know if this should be entered as a bug since markers were not 
completely implemented previously

[INFO]: FOP 0.20.3rc
[INFO]: building formatting object tree
[ERROR]: null

Here is the sample test.fo

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
fo:root xmlns:fo=http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Format;

fo:layout-master-set
fo:simple-page-master
master-name=simple
margin-top=1in
margin-right=1in
margin-left=1in
margin-bottom=1in
fo:region-body/
/fo:simple-page-master
/fo:layout-master-set
fo:page-sequence master-reference=simple
fo:flow flow-name=xsl-region-body
fo:blockfo:marker marker-class-name=entryOne/fo:marker
this is a test this is a test this is a test this is a test this is a 
test this is a test this is a test this is a test
/fo:block
/fo:flow/fo:page-sequence/fo:root

Chuck Paussa


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Re: FOP Interfaces

2002-02-28 Thread Joerg Pietschmann

Keiron Liddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 XML input
 - various ways to supply FOP with the xsl:fo file
I might be an idea to rely on JAXP 1.1 here.

 general options
 - base directory
Make this base URI. Make sure your concept allows resolving
those pesky url(#stuff) properties in embedded SVGs generated
by a transformation, which may mean baseURI is not constant,
or that you need more than one baseURI. AFAIK Batik doesn't
provide for user supplied URI resolving code either, so it's
probably necessary to talk to them.

I want to note that several code pieces for resolving URLs and/or
file locations are scattered all over FOP and Batik. Replacing
them all with an URIResolver invocation would unify behaviour and
remove redundancies. I'd also recommend to lift the default
URIResolver implementation from Saxon, it seems to tolerate the
usual abuse better than everything else i came across elsewere.

Keep up the good work!
J.Pietschmann

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Re: Using Avalon/Logkit

2002-02-28 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi

From: Joerg Pietschmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ok, I think that can be done, even when using Avalon in FOP. You propose
  (I think) that we could provide an Avalon-Wrapper around FOP,

 Thanks for the help.
 Some comments on the concerns: I'm forced to use JDK 1.3 with JAXP1.1 and
 proprietary extensions for logging and configuration management (and other
 stuff i'll ignore now).
 I have to use the proprietary API to retrieve configurable options and
 want to feed them to a FOP instance. It's not easy for me to deploy a
config
 file, nor do i want to. My purposes would be served best if there were a
 processor class which took all configuration options as a Properties
bundle
 or through some generic interface like Transformer does. An avalon
component
 class encapsulating the simple processor class (or derived, for possible
 performance gains) could use this interface to pass options read from a
 config file, command line options or whatever.

Avalon can really help you here.
If FOP is completely Avalonized, you can plug in you own implementations of
logging or configuration Management without changing the core FOP code.
Avalon gives you these services using interfaces; this way any
implementation can be used.

  but it
  could also be the other way around. I'm sure that Avalon will not stand
  in the way if we provide a simple interface similar to what you
proposed.

 Well, adding is easier than subtracting. Apart from the interface, i
 don't want to have FOP looking around for files (URIs are ok, if i could
 supply code to resolve them).

 Can somebody  explain to me what could be gained if the processor
 was an avalon component by default (other than easy integration into
 the avalon framework, of course)?

It automatically gets the possibility of using all Avalon services.
Instead of explaining all possibilities, let me show you an example of the
Avalon way.

Let's say that you write your class:

public class MyClass {
  public MyClass{}
}

Now you want it to get created and managed by Avalon.
So you define it in a config file (or programmatically)and change it to:

public class MyClass implements Component{
  public MyClass{}
}

This way, when Avalon starts, it creates you class.

Now you want it to get some configuration.

public class MyClass implements Component, Configurable{
  public MyClass{}

  public void configure(Configuration conf)
  {
 //use conf here
  }
}

The Configuration it gets is gotten from *any* class that uses that
interface; Avalon will supply it to you.

Now you know that your configuration can change, so you write:

public class MyClass implements Component, Configurable, Reconfigurable{
  public MyClass{}

  public void configure(Configuration conf)
  {
 //use conf here
  }

  public void reconfigure(Configuration conf)
  {
 //use conf here
  }
}

now you want to add some init code:

public class MyClass implements Component, Configurable, Reconfigurable,
Initializable{
  public MyClass{}

  public void configure(Configuration conf)
  {
 //use conf here
  }

  public void reconfigure(Configuration conf)
  {
 //use conf here
  }

  public void initialize()
  {
 //initialization code
  }
}

now you want to add some lifecycle code:

public class MyClass implements Component, Configurable, Reconfigurable,
Initializable, Startable{
  public MyClass{}

  public void configure(Configuration conf)
  {
 //use conf here
  }

  public void reconfigure(Configuration conf)
  {
 //use conf here
  }

  public void initialize()
  {
 //initialization code
  }

  public void start()
  {
 //start code
  }

  public void stop()
  {
 //stop code
  }
}

now you want to logging:

public class MyClass implements Component, Configurable, Reconfigurable,
Initializable, Startable, Loggable{
  public MyClass{}

  public void configure(Configuration conf)
  {
 //use conf here
  }

  public void reconfigure(Configuration conf)
  {
 //use conf here
  }

  public void initialize()
  {
 //initialization code
  }

  public void start()
  {
 //start code
  }

  public void stop()
  {
 //stop code
  }

  public void getLogger(Logger logger)
  {
 //get logger here
  }
}

And so on.

Avalon is the glue that ties all together.

If you implement Composable, you get a ComponentManager that gives you other
Avalon components managed in the same way.
There are Avalon components for URI resolving, caching, storage, xslt, etc.
All these components are accessed by an interface, so you can out any
concrete impl behind.
In fact, Composable has:
 public Component lookup(String role);
Whatever you get must be cast to an interface.

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Re: FOP Interfaces

2002-02-28 Thread fred redf

I would *love* to be able to be able to get the page
number where some event append (for example by stating
fox:page-number/ in .fo source) cause it would
greatly improve fop/itext interfacing. I personnaly
use fop to render most of my content but i finish the
work using itext (to watermark content, reorganize
pages to produce booklets, insert some annexes written
in pdf .. etc)
Thanks a lot, whether you implement that or not!
Fred.



--- Joerg Pietschmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] a
écrit :  Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  Output from FOP:
  - Generation statistics: Number of pages total
 What about:
  

total=((Integer)processor.getAttribute(fop.totalNumberOfPages)).intValue()
 (Returns 0 before rendering, i suppose. Or is
 throwing an exception
 better?)
 
  Number of pages of each page-sequence
 Uh, perhaps
  

pgsq2=((Integer)((Vector)processor.getAttribute(fop.pagesInSequence)).get(2)).intValue()
 or (less recommended but may get more resonance)
  

pgsq2=((Integer)processor.getAttribute(fop.pagesInSequence.2)).intValue()
 (note the small differences)
 
  page-master used for each page (could be used to
  control the paper bin to get paper from, important
 for me in
  conjunction with PS Renderer).
 During rendering or after the rendering is complete?
 
 Regards
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EBCDIC os390

2002-02-28 Thread Jason . West

I'll apologize upfront as I think my question is really for the users list
but,
I was unable to find how to subscribe to it.

I'm developing under Websphere 4.0 and have had success in using FOP .20
on my NT machines. I take that ear file and install it on our os390
Websphere
server and I get back garbage. If I convert the garbage from EBCDIC to ASCII
with a tool, it appears the uncompressed streams convert fine. The document
still does not work. How can I make FOP ensure that all of it's temporary
streams
use the proper encoding? The following snippet is how I'm using FOP.

ByteArrayOutputStream out = new ByteArrayOutputStream();
response.setContentType(application/pdf);

Driver driver = new Driver();
driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_PDF);
driver.setOutputStream(out);
driver.render( foDoc );

byte[] content = out.toByteArray();

response.setContentLength(content.length);
response.getOutputStream().write(content);
response.getOutputStream().flush();


TIA, Jason

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Re: [REDESIGN] TextLayoutManager whitespace handling

2002-02-28 Thread Karen Lease

Hi Kerion,

I agree it's better to have some output. Like my choir director says, we
can't know if you're singing the wrong note if we can't hear it :-)

I had some code written for this, but it's set up to return a
BreakPosition and it's incomplete.

I haven't gone back to the white-space handling code in a couple of
months, but I remember that after I had written it, I went through some
soul-searching about what should be done about text runs across
fo:inline, wrappers etc. I actually wrote to the xsl-editors about this.

quote date=26nov2001
1a. white-space-treatement: the values which ignore whitespace before,
after or surrounding a linefeed, use the phrase any character flow
object ... whose character is classified ... as white space in XML (or
any sequence of such character flow objects) that immediately
precedes/follows a character flow object whose Unicode code point ...
is U+000A.

By immediately preceding (or following) is it your intention
that the sequence of character FOs in question are siblings, or that
they are adjacent in a traversal of character FO leaves? In the first
(literal) interpretation, in the following example the spaces after
abc will not be ignored, because the following linefeed is in the
wrapper and not an immediate sibling.

fo:blockText abc abc  fo:wrapper font-weight=bold  
   xxx  /fo:wrapper../fo:block

1b. white-space-collapse: same question for the true value concerning
collapse of immediately preceding/following or consecutive.

The literal interpretation is certainly easier to implement. If I use
the leaf-node interpretation (ie, what is visible on the paper), there
are some fuzzy cases where the value of the property can change in the
middle of a sequence of white-space, which makes it hard to know what
shold be done. On the other hand, in the case of fo:wrapper which is
often used simply to change the font-style or weight, it seems logical
that white-space handling should transparently cross the boundary.
/quote

That's one thing. In your example, even supposing we are doing
white-space collapse, the issue is which one gets thrown out. In 7.5.12
(white-space-collapse), the spec says: .. [if] the immediately
preceding flow object is a character flow object with a character
classified as white space in XML ... that flow object shall not generate
an area.

So if we think that the the space after text and the one before more
are adjacent, which is strictly speaking not the case, I'd say the one
before more disappears. If we aren't collapsing or we decide that the
intervening newline makes them not adjacent, there are two spaces and
the second is underlined.

-Karen

Keiron Liddle wrote:
 
 Hi Karen,
 
 I seem to be having a bit of trouble getting that text parsing right. I
 was mainly just trying to get something to work to see on the output.
 It should be able to be simplified thanks to the earlöier whitespace
 handling.
 I still wonder what should be done in a situation like:
 blocksome text inline text-decoration=underline more
 textinlineblock
 Is the space before more underlined or not?
 
 Keiron.
 
 On 2002.02.23 18:30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Keiron,
 
  I see you've actually started to make TextLayoutManager do something. I
  noticed during my CTM testing with the PDF renderer, that it's eating
  the first character of my text, ie. Hello world came out as ello
  world. Since I don't think you're French which could account for not
  pronouncing the 'h', I thought it might be due to the 'wordStart + 1'
  used to set the text for the Word Area.
 
  I also noticed there's a lot of whitespace handling in the code still. A
  few months ago I put some white-space handling into the FO tree building
  logic. In fo.flow.Block.end(), it basically iterates over all its kids
  and tries to get rid of all the unnecessary white-space before it gets
  to the layout manager.
  The idea was that the LM would only see the whitespace it was actually
  supposed to layout and the linefeeds which were real line-break
  characters.
 
  I haven't studied the new TextLM code in detail, but I would think it
  could be simplified based on that approach.
 
  Regards,
  Karen
 
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textalign

2002-02-28 Thread Thomas Kübler



hallo,

is there any possibility to write text from the 
bottom to the top, so the
textstart at the bottom of a block-container 
and not from the top.

thanks.

thomas


RE: [REDESIGN] TextLayoutManager whitespace handling

2002-02-28 Thread Arved Sandstrom

Comments below.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Karen Lease
Sent: February 28, 2002 6:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [REDESIGN] TextLayoutManager whitespace handling

[ SNIP ]

That's one thing. In your example, even supposing we are doing
white-space collapse, the issue is which one gets thrown out. In 7.5.12
(white-space-collapse), the spec says: .. [if] the immediately
preceding flow object is a character flow object with a character
classified as white space in XML ... that flow object shall not generate
an area.

So if we think that the the space after text and the one before more
are adjacent, which is strictly speaking not the case, I'd say the one
before more disappears. If we aren't collapsing or we decide that the
intervening newline makes them not adjacent, there are two spaces and
the second is underlined.

-Karen

Keiron Liddle wrote:

 Hi Karen,

 I seem to be having a bit of trouble getting that text parsing right. I
 was mainly just trying to get something to work to see on the output.
 It should be able to be simplified thanks to the earlöier whitespace
 handling.
 I still wonder what should be done in a situation like:
 blocksome text inline text-decoration=underline more
 textinlineblock
 Is the space before more underlined or not?

Pursuant to my earlier post on this question, I think we are all agreed that
score-spaces dictates whether or not the space immediately preceding the
word more in the example gets underlined or not, _assuming_ that that
space survives.

As Karen points out, initial value for white-space-collapse will make the
second space go away (leastways I concur in that interpretation). Adjacency
is based on whether or not the 2 areas have a block- or
inline-stacking-constraint, and the two spaces in question have an
inline-stacking-constraint by 3a in Inline Stacking Constraints, Section
4.2.5, so are adjacent.

Regards,
AHS


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RE: [REDESIGN] TextLayoutManager whitespace handling

2002-02-28 Thread Arved Sandstrom

I should add, if the 2 spaces end up on the same line, of course. Until we
do layout we don't know.

-Original Message-
From: Arved Sandstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: February 28, 2002 7:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [REDESIGN] TextLayoutManager whitespace handling


Comments below.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Karen Lease
Sent: February 28, 2002 6:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [REDESIGN] TextLayoutManager whitespace handling

[ SNIP ]

That's one thing. In your example, even supposing we are doing
white-space collapse, the issue is which one gets thrown out. In 7.5.12
(white-space-collapse), the spec says: .. [if] the immediately
preceding flow object is a character flow object with a character
classified as white space in XML ... that flow object shall not generate
an area.

So if we think that the the space after text and the one before more
are adjacent, which is strictly speaking not the case, I'd say the one
before more disappears. If we aren't collapsing or we decide that the
intervening newline makes them not adjacent, there are two spaces and
the second is underlined.

-Karen

Keiron Liddle wrote:

 Hi Karen,

 I seem to be having a bit of trouble getting that text parsing right. I
 was mainly just trying to get something to work to see on the output.
 It should be able to be simplified thanks to the earlöier whitespace
 handling.
 I still wonder what should be done in a situation like:
 blocksome text inline text-decoration=underline more
 textinlineblock
 Is the space before more underlined or not?

Pursuant to my earlier post on this question, I think we are all agreed that
score-spaces dictates whether or not the space immediately preceding the
word more in the example gets underlined or not, _assuming_ that that
space survives.

As Karen points out, initial value for white-space-collapse will make the
second space go away (leastways I concur in that interpretation). Adjacency
is based on whether or not the 2 areas have a block- or
inline-stacking-constraint, and the two spaces in question have an
inline-stacking-constraint by 3a in Inline Stacking Constraints, Section
4.2.5, so are adjacent.

Regards,
AHS


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Corrupt PDF files?

2002-02-28 Thread Lewis, Bobby

I have a problem that is hard to debug. I am generating PDF files with FOP,
and the process is working ok most of the time. Sometimes though, the file
becomes corrupt (I'm sending the PDF back to a web browser based on a
request a user makes from a JSP).

Here's what we just found: we're using an external barcode font (a Code39
font). If we take the font out and don't use it in the PDF, it works fine
everytime. Otherwise, it works sometimes. There's no discernible factor as
to why it does/does not work, so I'm thinking there's something buggy in
FOP. Has anyone had any kind of unpredictable behavior before with FOP when
using external fonts? I'm using a TTF, I generated the metric file ok and
everything, because the barcode does show up correctly SOMETIMES.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Bobby Lewis
Solutions Architect
Aivia
3100 McKinnon Suite 1000
Dallas, TX 75201 

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cvs commit: xml-fop/docs/xml-docs/fop relnotes.xml readme.xml resources.xml running.xml

2002-02-28 Thread chrisg

chrisg  02/02/28 16:02:42

  Modified:docs/xml-docs fop.xml
   docs/xml-docs/fop readme.xml resources.xml running.xml
  Added:   docs/xml-docs/fop relnotes.xml
  Log:
  added release notes for 0.20.3
  
  Revision  ChangesPath
  1.12  +2 -0  xml-fop/docs/xml-docs/fop.xml
  
  Index: fop.xml
  ===
  RCS file: /home/cvs/xml-fop/docs/xml-docs/fop.xml,v
  retrieving revision 1.11
  retrieving revision 1.12
  diff -u -r1.11 -r1.12
  --- fop.xml   14 Dec 2001 07:38:28 -  1.11
  +++ fop.xml   1 Mar 2002 00:02:42 -   1.12
  @@ -22,6 +22,8 @@
 page id=compiling  label=Compiling source=fop/compiling.xml/
 page id=testinglabel=Testing source=fop/testing.xml/
 separator/
  +  page id=relnotes   label=Release Notes source=fop/relnotes.xml/
  +  separator/
 faqs id=faqlabel=FAQ source=fop/faq.xml/
 page id=bugs   label=Bugs source=fop/bugs.xml/
 page id=resources  label=Resources source=fop/resources.xml/
  
  
  
  1.18  +1 -1  xml-fop/docs/xml-docs/fop/readme.xml
  
  Index: readme.xml
  ===
  RCS file: /home/cvs/xml-fop/docs/xml-docs/fop/readme.xml,v
  retrieving revision 1.17
  retrieving revision 1.18
  diff -u -r1.17 -r1.18
  --- readme.xml5 Feb 2002 19:14:58 -   1.17
  +++ readme.xml1 Mar 2002 00:02:42 -   1.18
  @@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
   p
   figure width=480 height=260 src=document.jpg alt=Render Diagram /
   /p
  -pThe latest version of Fop is 0.20.3 and it supports the xsl:fo
  +pThe latest version of Fop is 0.20.3 and it supports the
  jump href=http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xsl-20011015/;XSL-FO Version 1.0
  W3C Recommendation/jump.
  You can jump href=download.htmldownload/jump 
  
  
  
  1.9   +1 -0  xml-fop/docs/xml-docs/fop/resources.xml
  
  Index: resources.xml
  ===
  RCS file: /home/cvs/xml-fop/docs/xml-docs/fop/resources.xml,v
  retrieving revision 1.8
  retrieving revision 1.9
  diff -u -r1.8 -r1.9
  --- resources.xml 5 Feb 2002 19:14:58 -   1.8
  +++ resources.xml 1 Mar 2002 00:02:42 -   1.9
  @@ -33,6 +33,7 @@
 lijump href=http://www.sun.com/software/xml/developers/slides-dtd/;Paul 
Sandoz: Using formatting objects with the slides dtd/jump/li
 lijump href=http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/01/17/xsl-fo/index.html;J. 
David Eisenberg: Using XSL Formatting Objects/jump/li
 lijump 
href=http://zvon.org/xxl/xslfoReference/Output/index.html;Miloslav Nic: XSL FO 
reference/jump/li
  +  lijump href=http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect3/bk/index.html;Dave 
Pawson: An introduction to XSL Formatting Objects/jump/li
   /ul
 /s2
 s2 title=Other resources
  
  
  
  1.18  +1 -3  xml-fop/docs/xml-docs/fop/running.xml
  
  Index: running.xml
  ===
  RCS file: /home/cvs/xml-fop/docs/xml-docs/fop/running.xml,v
  retrieving revision 1.17
  retrieving revision 1.18
  diff -u -r1.17 -r1.18
  --- running.xml   5 Feb 2002 19:14:58 -   1.17
  +++ running.xml   1 Mar 2002 00:02:42 -   1.18
  @@ -15,11 +15,9 @@
   jump 
href=http://xml.apache.org/xerces-j/index.html;Xerces-J/jump. 
   (Xerces is the default xml parser)
   /li
  -liAn XSLT processor 
  +liAn XSLT processor (Xalan is included)
   /li
   liThe SVG library batik.jar is the library from the jump 
href=http://xml.apache.org/batik/;batik project/jump at xml.apache.org.
  -/li
  -liThe imaging library Jimi from Sun
   /li
 /ul
   /p
  
  
  
  1.1  xml-fop/docs/xml-docs/fop/relnotes.xml
  
  Index: relnotes.xml
  ===
  ?xml version=1.0 standalone=no?
  
  !-- Overview --
  
  document
  header
  titleRelease Notes/title
  subtitleFop 0.20.3/subtitle
  authors
  /authors
  /header
  
  body
  s1 title=FOP 0.20.3
pImportant Information:
  ul
 liThis version supports the
   jump href=http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xsl-20011015/;XSL-FO Version 1.0
   W3C Recommendation/jump syntax. So don't forget to update your 
   Stylesheets:
   pJust rename the codemaster-name/code property to 
codemaster-reference/code
   on codefo:page-sequence/code, 
codefo:single-page-master-reference/code,
   codefo:repeatable-page-master-reference/code and
   codefo:conditional-page-master-reference/code./p/li
 liJDK 1.2 (or better) is required/li
 liJimi has been removed for licensing 

RE: C# version of FOP

2002-02-28 Thread Arved Sandstrom

Hi, Steve

Speaking as an individual committer I think it's excellent that you've done
this. I happen to be completely language-agnostic and I'll use anything that
works, including everything in the MS stable.

I would recommend that you start a Sourceforge project to take this further.
Once you've got that done, and code uploaded, interested parties will
appear, and I'm sure you'll attract people. I'd be interested in taking a
look myself.

Regards,
Arved Sandstrom

-Original Message-
From: Sarandos Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: February 28, 2002 9:46 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: C# version of FOP


I have been working on converting FOP to C# for a project I'm working on.
I currently have a C# version producing EMF page images from the example FOP
files from 0.20.3rc.  I'm producing EMF right now since that is the specific
format my application requires.  To ease my conversion effort I backed out
the SVG code (so I wouldn't have to convert Batik yet) and I removed the
PDFRenderer (since I'm not interested in PDF currently).  I focused on
converting the AWTRenderer to produce EMF page images.  I don't think it
will be that much work to add the PDFRenderer back in later -- minus SVG of
course.

I wanted to find out if any of you are interested in a C# version of FOP or,
if not, then if you could direct me to a group that might be.  I would like
to get an a open source group started on developing this version further.

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Re: Options

2002-02-28 Thread Peter B. West

Jeremias,

Jeremias Maerki wrote:

Hi Peter

...

You'll have to create a GUI or use OS X. :-) Well, that leads me to the
question: What are you actually trying to do? We're talking about
solutions here, but not what you need them for (I think).

There's a very useful discussion going on about logging, Avalon, etc, 
which covers this territory in more general terms.  Anything that 
rationalises and makes consistent and readily understandable the 
invovation and setup of FOP will be a very good thing.  I'm just talking 
about the very limited aim of unifying and making more useful the 
existing maintenance branch options/configuration code.

...

I don't get you here. What do you need the language validation for?

For completeness.  I can specify country, language and script, and these 
may be acted upon in respect of hyphenation.  Two situations may arise. 
 1) That particular language/country/script may have no support in this 
version of FOP.  2) There is no such language/country/script.  When I'm 
parsing one of these attributes, I like to be able to detect the second 
situation at the point of parsing.


I'm lost. Sorry, but I really can't follow you.

My fault.  In the middle of this discussion about options processing, I 
came across the references to the language file in the config file, so I 
dragged them in, kicking and screaming.  I can specify country.language 
and script... should read, The user can specify country, language and 
script... as properties in the FO file that I'm processing.  See 7.9.2 
language, 7.9.1 country, and 7.9.3 script in the Recommendation. 
When I was looking at the parsing of such properties, I wanted to be 
able to validate the element attributes immediately after they were 
parsed by the expression parser.  I either had to hard-code the lists, 
or provide for a way of updating them outside the code, so I went for a 
configuration file, pointed to by the the general config file.


Peter



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Example extension

2002-02-28 Thread Adrian Edwards

Hi fop-dev,

Has anyone written a simple(ish) FOP extension that they would be
willing to share with the list (or even just me) as an example?  I'm
talking full jar file here.  The lack of examples (other than the quite
complicated SVG extension) in the docs and on the mailing lists is quite
frustrating.

We don't have to go through the work of writing it up for publication
(yet).  Just seeing the mechanics of someone else's jar would be great
for beginners.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Adrian Edwards
Application Developer
Netimpact Online Publishing
http://www.netimpact.com.au


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Re: Exception

2002-02-28 Thread Jeremias Maerki

Seems like we have two people almost at the same time having problems
with NPEs in loadImage() methods.

Ivaylo, it looks like you're not using the latest version of FOP, so I
haven't been able to find out what exactly caused the NPE. It's not that
it will necessarily work if you update!

I've looked at the code and I think it's this.m_bitmaps is null for some
reason that I haven't figured out, yet. It's the same in
GifJpegImage.java as in BmpImage.java (David's problem).

I believe it's a threading problem. There's a method close() in AbstractFopImage.java
Factory that sets m_images to null. FopImageFactory caches bitmaps, so
my guess is that an image can get closed while the same object is
accessed from a different thread (method loadImage()).

I must confess that I don't have time to look at it at the moment. Any
takers?

As a work-around, you could try to block your servlet so only one thread
at a time can use FOP to process your jobs. Not nice, but you could be
forced to do that for the time being.

 I create PDFs in 10 parallel threads and every now and then I have this
 Exception.
 Can someone clarify for me what is the problem and how to fix it?
 I suspect it is related with parallel usage of same gif image.

snip/

 java.lang.NullPointerException
   at
 org.apache.fop.image.GifJpegImage.loadImage(GifJpegImage.java:131)

Cheers,
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RE: Example extension

2002-02-28 Thread Adrian Edwards

Thanks for that very interesting link Michiel.  But I couldn't find any
information on extending fop there, just extending XSLT.  Of course, I
may have missed it...

I have no trouble with including elements from a custom namespace in an
XSL-FO document, it's just the Java code to get FOP to handle my
extension elements that I cannot find any good examples for.

Once again, I appreciate your attempt at help.

Anyone else?

- Adrian

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Have a look at: http://www.exslt.org/

HTH,

Michiel

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$ Sent: vrijdag 1 maart 2002 8:34
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$ 
$ 
$ Hi fop-dev,
$ 
$ Has anyone written a simple(ish) FOP extension that they would be
$ willing to share with the list (or even just me) as an example?  I'm
$ talking full jar file here.  The lack of examples (other than 
$ the quite
$ complicated SVG extension) in the docs and on the mailing 
$ lists is quite
$ frustrating.
$ 
$ We don't have to go through the work of writing it up for publication
$ (yet).  Just seeing the mechanics of someone else's jar would be great
$ for beginners.
$ 
$ Thanks in advance.
$ 
$ Regards,
$ 
$ Adrian Edwards
$ Application Developer
$ Netimpact Online Publishing
$ http://www.netimpact.com.au
$ 
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Re: FOP Interfaces

2002-02-28 Thread Jeremias Maerki

  Output from FOP:
  - Generation statistics: Number of pages total
 What about:
   total=((Integer)processor.getAttribute(fop.totalNumberOfPages)).intValue()
 (Returns 0 before rendering, i suppose. Or is throwing an exception
 better?)
 
  Number of pages of each page-sequence
 Uh, perhaps
   
pgsq2=((Integer)((Vector)processor.getAttribute(fop.pagesInSequence)).get(2)).intValue()
 or (less recommended but may get more resonance)
   pgsq2=((Integer)processor.getAttribute(fop.pagesInSequence.2)).intValue()
 (note the small differences)

Hierarchical data in Maps. Eeeek! (Sorry!)

For these two I've already added a couple of classes you can get that
information from. I've added this just for completeness. Have a look at
org.apache.fop.apps.FormattingResults and the Driver.getResults() method.
My original post can be found here:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-devm=100747811203665w=2

  page-master used for each page (could be used to
  control the paper bin to get paper from, important for me in
  conjunction with PS Renderer).
 During rendering or after the rendering is complete?

Both. The PSRenderer could use it during rendering so it can set the
respective paper bins. Currently, I'd need it more after rendering is
complete because I currently generate PDFs that get converted to
PostScript later on and I patch those files afterwards to apply paper
bin selection (and other stuff).

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Re: EBCDIC os390

2002-02-28 Thread Jeremias Maerki

 I'll apologize upfront as I think my question is really for the users list
 but,
 I was unable to find how to subscribe to it.

No, I think you're in the right place.

 I'm developing under Websphere 4.0 and have had success in using FOP .20
 on my NT machines. I take that ear file and install it on our os390
 Websphere
 server and I get back garbage. If I convert the garbage from EBCDIC to ASCII
 with a tool, it appears the uncompressed streams convert fine. The document
 still does not work. How can I make FOP ensure that all of it's temporary
 streams
 use the proper encoding? The following snippet is how I'm using FOP.

Ben Fowler posted a similar mail two days ago.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-devm=101480100804070w=2

You're in the same boat. I think it would be good if you one of you two
could really track down the problem, create a patch for it and post it
to the list for inclusion into FOP along with some documentation
(guidelines) what has to be done to ensure non-ascii-environment
compatibility in FOP for the future.


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