Re: [Framers] Separate printed file for each chapter (waiting to click considered harmful)

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Hi Bertrand,

The feature is available in AP XI. I use it all the time.  I have it set up so 
that I use the headless distiller from FM and under Settings, there is a 
Watched Folders option. I print the ps file to the appropriate Watched folder 
using the Adobe Acrobat PDF Printer and Acrobat Pro opens it immediately 
afterwards based on other settings. 
 
Does this help?

 

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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> Behalf Of winfried.r...@web.de
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 1:04 PM
> To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch
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> ; me...@inf.ethz.ch
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Separate printed file for each chapter (waiting to 
> click
> considered harmful)
> 
>Hi Bertrand,
>I have the latest version of Distiller, and it works well. Just test
>it. Create a single Postscript file, make some copies and move
>everything into a watched folder.
>https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/using/creating-pdfs-acrobat-distiller.h
>tml
>Best regards
>Winfried
> 
>Am 07.09.2022 20:48 schrieb "Bertrand Meyer (SIT)"
>:
> 
>Thanks… but I looked up “watched folders” and only found complaints
>that the feature used to be in Distiller ages ago and is not available
>in Acrobat. I must be looking in the wrong place or under the wrong
>name. I am using Acrobat XI Pro.
> 
> 
>With best regards,
> 
> 
>-- Bertrand Meyer
> 
> 
>From: winfried.r...@web.de 
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 September, 2022 12:20
>To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch
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>; me...@inf.ethz.ch
>Subject: RE: [Framers] Separate printed file for each chapter (waiting
>to click considered harmful)
> 
> 
>Hi Bertrand,
> 
> 
>You have to print to Postscript files and then use a watched folder to
>convert all in one go to PDF via Acrobat.
> 
> 
>Best regards
> 
> 
>Winfried
> 
> 
> 
>Am 07.09.2022 11:52 schrieb "Bertrand Meyer (SIT)"
><[1]bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch>:
> 
>Thanks. I don’t print to Postscript, why should I? I want PDF files.
> 
> 
>I used to print Postscript files (back in the days when everyone was
>wearing a tie to work), then “distill” them to PDF (sounds like
>deliciously nostalgic terminology)… Should I still do that?
> 
> 
>With best regards,
> 
> 
>-- Bertrand Meyer
> 
> 
>From: [2]winfried.r...@web.de <[3]winfried.r...@web.de>
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 September, 2022 11:37
>To: [4]bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch; An email list for people using Adobe
>FrameMaker software. <[5]framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>Cc: [6]me...@inf.ethz.ch
>Subject: Re: [Framers] Separate printed file for each chapter (waiting
>to click considered harmful)
> 
> 
>Hi Bertrand,
> 
> 
>I do this regularly, and it works very well.
> 
>Could it be that you had not activated to print to a Postscript file?
> 
> 
>Best regards
> 
> 
>Winfried
> 
> 
> 
>Am 07.09.2022 10:23 schrieb "Bertrand Meyer (SIT)"
><[7]bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch>:
> 
>  I haven't for a long time used the "Print separate file for each
>  chapter"
>  option for printing a book. I tried it again now but I have to wait
>  for each
>  chapter to print and display in Acrobat, then click OK to approve
>  the file
>  name for the next chapter (even though it's just .pdf
>  in the
>  chosen directory).
>  This is utterly crazy! For a small book it took me a good 10 minutes
>  of just
>  waiting and clicking, but my next book is 40+ chapters! There are
>  better
>  things to do with one's life than waiting for the computer to
>  condescend to
>  letting you click predictable modal dialogs.
>  There must be a "do this for me and tell me when you are done"
>  option (as I
>  think there was in older versions) but I didn't find it. Any help?
>  Thanks,
>  -- Bertrand Meyer
> 
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Re: [Framers] Cross Reference/Hypertext Question

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Hi Alison,

Sorry. Was heads down in a long client meeting today and just now am checking 
email. There is still a way to make this work. We can do a live session if you 
want. What time zone are you in?

Tammy

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> Behalf Of Craig, Alison GLI/CA
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> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Cross Reference/Hypertext Question
> 
> Hi Tammy
> 
> I think I'm doing something wrong as it isn't working.
> 
> Did I mention the 2 halves of the hyperlink are in different documents within
> the book? That may be what's messing things up.
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
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> Hi Alison,
> 
> There is absolutely  a way to do this using named/jump to hypertext
> markers. First, the text TO which you want to jump needs a name. You can
> do it this way: Highlight the text that is being jumped and do Insert >
> Hypertext marker: Specify Named Destination. Then, after the newlink
> phrase, enter the name of the destination (No spaces or special characters
> other than an underscore):  (Helpful hint: COPY this name BEFORE you click
> Apply in the Hypertext dialog box because it makes the next step easier.
> 
> Now, go back to the text that you are jumping FROM: Apply a character tag
> to make it apparent that the text is a link. (I have one called Link that 
> makes
> the text blue and underlines it.) After applying the character tag, select the
> text and then Insert > Hypertext > Jump to Named Destination and after the
> gotolink phrase, enter the name of the destination EXACTLY as you entered it
> above, or if you copied it, then you can just paste in the name and then
> Apply the marker.
> 
> Voila - the links will resolve as you want both in the source FM document and
> the final PDF.
> 
> And I TOTALLY get it about age and heat waves. . .  the last thing I need at 
> my
> age is more heat. . .
> 
> TVB
> 
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> > Behalf Of Craig, Alison GLI/CA
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 12:53 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: [Framers] Cross Reference/Hypertext Question
> >
> > - Win 10
> > - Unstructured Frame 2020
> >
> >
> > Is there a way to "attach" a cross reference to text?
> >
> > By that I mean, can you make a word or phrase into a hypertext link
> > that moves to a defined "somewhere else" in the finished PDF? Similar
> > to how, in Word, you can make "Frame 2000" into a link to the Adobe
> > FrameMaker page?
> >
> > My actual example is the following, where I want the words "FCI test
> bench"
> > to resolve to a specific place in the engineering data table in an appendix.
> > Note that in the table, there is nothing that matches the phrase "FCI
> > test bench".
> >
> > >>NOTE: Customer is responsible for supplying FCI test bench.<<
> >
> > I'm probably going to smack myself for overlooking something really
> > simple, but I'm pleading age and a heatwave as mitigating factors.
> > ;-)))
> >
> > Alison
> >
> >
> > Alison Craig
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Re: [Framers] Cross Reference/Hypertext Question

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Hi Alison,

There is absolutely  a way to do this using named/jump to hypertext markers. 
First, the text TO which you want to jump needs a name. You can do it this way: 
Highlight the text that is being jumped and do Insert > Hypertext marker: 
Specify Named Destination. Then, after the newlink phrase, enter the name of 
the destination (No spaces or special characters other than an underscore):  
(Helpful hint: COPY this name BEFORE you click Apply in the Hypertext dialog 
box because it makes the next step easier.

Now, go back to the text that you are jumping FROM: Apply a character tag to 
make it apparent that the text is a link. (I have one called Link that makes 
the text blue and underlines it.) After applying the character tag, select the 
text and then Insert > Hypertext > Jump to Named Destination and after the 
gotolink phrase, enter the name of the destination EXACTLY as you entered it 
above, or if you copied it, then you can just paste in the name and then Apply 
the marker.

Voila - the links will resolve as you want both in the source FM document and 
the final PDF.

And I TOTALLY get it about age and heat waves. . .  the last thing I need at my 
age is more heat. . . 

TVB

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> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of Craig, Alison GLI/CA
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 12:53 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Cross Reference/Hypertext Question
> 
> - Win 10
> - Unstructured Frame 2020
> 
> 
> Is there a way to "attach" a cross reference to text?
> 
> By that I mean, can you make a word or phrase into a hypertext link that
> moves to a defined "somewhere else" in the finished PDF? Similar to how, in
> Word, you can make "Frame 2000" into a link to the Adobe FrameMaker
> page?
> 
> My actual example is the following, where I want the words "FCI test bench"
> to resolve to a specific place in the engineering data table in an appendix.
> Note that in the table, there is nothing that matches the phrase "FCI test
> bench".
> 
> >>NOTE: Customer is responsible for supplying FCI test bench.<<
> 
> I'm probably going to smack myself for overlooking something really simple,
> but I'm pleading age and a heatwave as mitigating factors. ;-)))
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
> Alison Craig
> Technical Writer, Engineering, Greenlight Innovation
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[Framers] TimeSavers and Shlomo?

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

OK,

So I know that I am really dating myself w/ this question, but first, is Shlomo 
Perets and his company Microtype still active in the FM/Adobe Community? I have 
sent him a message twice now through LinkedIn and zip, zilch, nada. . .
Second, his incredible tool - TimeSavers . . . if he is still active, is there 
a version that works with FM 2019?

(I feel as if I am asking about a printed newspaper or a pay telephone w/ this 
question!)

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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[Framers] OT: Icon rework

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Hey All,

I know that there are some guru graphics out there (I can manage a straight 
line, barely, with a ruler) and I am in the midst of rebranding an entire 
manual for a client that was bought out as a wholly owned subsidiary, and 
therefore, must update all their documentation (marketing, technical, website, 
etc.) to the new company colors, standards, etc.

I have three very non-descript icons - just black and white, which is my 
baseline ability- in place in the current User Manual intentionally that were 
intentionally left this way because I knew that we would be going through this 
rebranding process. I would like to update these three icons to something that 
incorporates two of the colors of the parent company, and although I could 
eventually get that done, the time that I would spend wouldn't be that 
efficient. I was hoping that someone on this list who likes to also do graphics 
might be willing to take a quick stab at this and do a quick update. I can 
describe what I want - they are definitely not big changes - and was hoping 
that you would be able to quote me time and price.

If you're interested, just email me offlist.

TIA,

TVB



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www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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Re: [Framers] Frame "Counter" Issue

[tammyvb]

Hi Alison,

You need two separate series counters, one for the numeric and one for the
alpha. You must also set your next paragraph tag for the 1st counter in each
series to be the continuation counter.

StepNumberBegin: N:.\t
StepNumberCont'd: N:.\t
StepNumberBegin_Alpha: S:.\t
StepNumberCont'd_Alpha: S:.\t

The Next Paragraph Tag for StepNumberBegin and StepNumberCont'd should be
set to StepNumberCont'd.
The Next Paragraph Tag for StepNumberBegin_Alpha and StepNumberCont'd_Alpha
should be set to StepNumberCon't_Alpha.

You can then manually override the next tag where needed. Also, make sure to
set the Paragraph numbering for each chapter as appropriate - Restart
Paragraph Numbering or Continue Numbering  from Previous Paragraph in Book
(Format > Document > Numbering).

HTH,

TVB




Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of Craig, Alison GLI/CA
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2022 11:46 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Frame "Counter" Issue
> 
> Windows 10
> Up-to-date Frame subscription
> 
> I've had to add in a layer of alpha-based "sub-instructions" in my manual
> formatting-but Frame is not cooperating. Normally I use plain bullets, but
> these new items must be completed in a specific order, hence the alpha
> numbering (per the manual conventions).
> 
> Numeric instruction counter: starting at "1." and incrementing
> ===
> "Instruction1": .\t
> "Instruction+": .\t
> 
> Alpha sub-instruction counter: starting at "a)" and incrementing
> 
> "Instruction Alpha-a": )\t
> "Instruction Alpha-+": )\t
> 
> The numeric counters work fine by themselves and the alpha counters work
> fine.
> 
> However, if I follow the final alpha counter with another numeric counter,
> instead of using the next number (ie, picking up from the last numeric
> counter), Frame calculates the numeric counter by translating the final
alpha
> counter into a number and increments that (see step 5 (which should be
step
> 3) of "How it's currently working"). Weirdly, it follows the wrong counter
but
> uses the correct formatting.
> 
> I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but I have idea what it is.
> 
> I don't use this often, but it's crucial in a few places in a particular
manual
> (which was originally written in Word where it works just fine).
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
> How it should work:
> 
> 1. first numeric instruction
> 2. second numeric instruction
>  a) first alpha sub-instruction
>  b) second alpha sub-instruction
>  c) third alpha sub-instruction
>  d) fourth alpha sub-instruction
> 3. third numeric instruction
> 4. fourth numeric instruction
> 5. fifth numeric instruction
> 
> How it's currently working:
> ==
> 1. first numeric instruction
> 2. second numeric instruction
>  a) first alpha sub-instruction
>  b) second alpha sub-instruction
>  c) third alpha sub-instruction
>  d) fourth alpha sub-instruction
> 5. third numeric instruction
> 6. fourth numeric instruction
> 7. fifth numeric instruction
> 
> 
> Alison Craig
> Technical Writer, Engineering, Greenlight Innovation
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Re: [Framers] from Monique - thanks and good bye!

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Monique,

I am right there with you every way - I am semi retired but I agree with how 
much this list saved my sanity!

Enjoy your well-deserved retirement and thank you for all your help on this 
list!

TVB
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>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: thanks, and good bye
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:23:58 -0700
> From: Monique Semp
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Like many of you on this list, I've remained long after I stopped using 
> FrameMaker for my work. You're a wonderfully knowledgeable, generous, and 
> helpful bunch!
> 
> Without you, my FrameMaker docs would have been so much less polished 
> looking, and I'd have a lot less (now-mostly-gray) hair due to that common 
> Adobe-user experience of pulling one's hair out every time a computer/license 
> transfer was needed!
> 
> I'll be retiring from tech writing/tech very shortly, and so am unsubscribing 
> from the many lists and groups that have so strongly contributed to my 
> success in this field.
> 
> I'll keep my LinkedIn profile (https://www.linkedin.com/in/moniquesemp/), and 
> will happily remain connected that way.
> 
> Thanks again, to everyone in this community,
> -Monique
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Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link

[tammyvb]

My pleasure. Lord knows that I have been saved way too many times to count by 
this list, so it feels good to be able to go the other way -

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 7:45 PM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link
> 
> Thanks Tammy!
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> Sent: April 13, 2022 4:31 PM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link
> 
> Hi Alison,
> 
> Yes you can. Here is an example of the format for the hypertext message
> marker: message URL mailto:supp...@tricerat.com?subject=Customer
> Support Inquiry
> 
> TVB
> 
> 
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
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> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
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> > Subject: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link
> >
> >
> >
> > This may not be possible in Frame (2020), but in Word I can include an
> e-mail
> > link and format it such that when the new e-mail opens, the Subject
> > line includes what I want (in this case, the word "Documentation" as I
> > am
> inviting
> > people to ask questions or provide feedback and suggestions about the
> > documentation).
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you do this Frame? If so how?
> >
> >
> >
> > If it's covered in the manual, they've hidden it well.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Framers] Fixing table number in a cross-reference

[tammyvb]

Hi Tom,

I use the same format for my Table numbering (Chapnum - counter) and my
x-ref gives the expected format:

Table <$paranumonly> on page <$pagenum>.

I think Lin hit the nail right on the head w/ her response, but I just
wanted to show you that this x-ref does work if the numbering for the table
is set to something such as this: T:Table <$chapnum>-:\t

Tammy Van Boening
Principal/Owner
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> Subject: [Framers] Fixing table number in a cross-reference
> 
> I just noticed that this cross-reference format returns a cross-reference
that
> does not pick up the hyphen in the referenced table number.
> 
> The C-R used to reference Table 3-3 on page 39 in Chapter 3: Table\
> <$paranumonly> on page\ <$pagenum> in Chapter <$chapnum> Font>
> 
> Returns (example): Table 3.3 on page 39 in Chapter 3
> 
> Is there a way to have the cross-reference to correctly reference the
table
> number as 3-3 and NOT 3.3? I don't see a building block anywhere that
would
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Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link

[tammyvb]

Hi Alison,

Yes you can. Here is an example of the format for the hypertext message
marker: message URL mailto:supp...@tricerat.com?subject=Customer Support
Inquiry

TVB



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> Behalf Of acr...@shaw.ca
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> Subject: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link
> 
> 
> 
> This may not be possible in Frame (2020), but in Word I can include an
e-mail
> link and format it such that when the new e-mail opens, the Subject line
> includes what I want (in this case, the word "Documentation" as I am
inviting
> people to ask questions or provide feedback and suggestions about the
> documentation).
> 
> 
> 
> Can you do this Frame? If so how?
> 
> 
> 
> If it's covered in the manual, they've hidden it well.
> 
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Re: [Framers] Identifying a font

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Sigh. . . That would be whatthefont.com. Autocorrect strikes again.

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> On Mar 15, 2022, at 2:17 PM, tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> To all,
> 
> what he font.com did the trick and kept me from pounding head any further 
> against a brick wall while muttering “wtf”
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 8:10 AM, Reng Winfried  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tammy,
>> 
>> In the past I had used the service from a German font shop.
>> https://www.fontshop.com/content/font-identification-and-type-research
>> 
>> Their font identification relies on MyFonts:
>> https://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Winfried
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers 
>>  On 
>> Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:56 PM
>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Identifying a font
>> 
>> Quick google reveals a bunch of sites that will take your image & identify 
>> the font being used 
>> From: Framers 
>>  on 
>> behalf of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2022 7:13 PM
>> To: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 
>> Subject: [Framers] Identifying a font
>> 
>> I have a PNG that displays a san serif font. Is there a way to identify 
>> which specific san serif font that it is? Is anyone a font guru/guruess that 
>> might be able to take a look at the PNG and provide their thoughts as to the 
>> font?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> TVB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tammy Van Boening
>> 
>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>> 
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Re: [Framers] Identifying a font

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

To all,

what he font.com did the trick and kept me from pounding head any further 
against a brick wall while muttering “wtf”

Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.

> On Mar 15, 2022, at 8:10 AM, Reng Winfried  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tammy,
> 
> In the past I had used the service from a German font shop.
> https://www.fontshop.com/content/font-identification-and-type-research
> 
> Their font identification relies on MyFonts:
> https://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Winfried
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
>  On Behalf 
> Of Jeff Coatsworth
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:56 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Identifying a font
> 
> Quick google reveals a bunch of sites that will take your image & identify 
> the font being used 
> From: Framers 
>  on 
> behalf of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 
> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2022 7:13 PM
> To: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 
> Subject: [Framers] Identifying a font
> 
> I have a PNG that displays a san serif font. Is there a way to identify which 
> specific san serif font that it is? Is anyone a font guru/guruess that might 
> be able to take a look at the PNG and provide their thoughts as to the font?
> 
> 
> 
> TIA,
> 
> 
> 
> TVB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> 
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> 
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[Framers] Identifying a font

[tammyvb]

I have a PNG that displays a san serif font. Is there a way to identify
which specific san serif font that it is? Is anyone a font guru/guruess that
might be able to take a look at the PNG and provide their thoughts as to the
font?

 

TIA,

 

TVB

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

 

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Re: [Framers] OT: Identifying a font

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Thank you!

Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.

> On Mar 6, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Mike Wickham  wrote:
> 
> Upload an image at whatthefont.com for a quick answer.
> 
> Mike
> 
>> On 3/6/2022 6:24 PM, tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:
>> I have a PNG that displays a san serif font. Is there a way to identify
>> which specific san serif font that it is? Is anyone a font guru/guruess that
>> might be able to take a look at the PNG and provide their thoughts as to the
>> font?
>> 
>>  
>> TIA,
>> 
>>  
>> TVB
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Tammy Van Boening
>> 
>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>> 
>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
>> 
>> 
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[Framers] OT: Identifying a font

[tammyvb]

I have a PNG that displays a san serif font. Is there a way to identify
which specific san serif font that it is? Is anyone a font guru/guruess that
might be able to take a look at the PNG and provide their thoughts as to the
font?

 

TIA,

 

TVB

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com  

 

 

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Re: [Framers] FM2019 and gremlins

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Hi All,

OK, sorry for going dark in my reply, but I am getting too dam*ed old for this 
sh*t. First, my backup system just got home from repairs yesterday and this 
morning, my primary work system decided to take a cr*p as well. So, I had to 
get in to see the doc as well . . . At this stage in the game, I want a 
friggin' tent and horse and call life good.

So, I decided to try something before sending out an SOS for a MIF wash and I 
kid you not. . . it worked. I took the backup file to the non-opening FM file 
and changed the extension from backup.fm to .mif and then when prompted w/ the 
question about which application did I want to open the file, I chose FM2019 
and voila, it really flipping worked. The file opened up like nobody's business 
and I perused it and all was just as expected - it had the same date and 
timestamp as its source .fm file so I knew the content was indeed the most 
current - and so, I then saved the file as the .fm file and now all is right in 
my little world - relatively speaking of course after 2 days of sick systems.

And thank you for the information about the gremlins that caused the Welcome 
screen fiasco. I can live w/ it. . . as long as I have my systems working and 
my files accessible.

I am going to have a liquid dinner tonight.

This list rocks as always.

TVB



From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 6:44 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] FM2019 and gremlins

Thank you. I will try this and then reach out if I need help still. This list 
rocks.

TVB

Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.

> On Feb 23, 2022, at 6:09 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> And if you can't use the trial version for some reason, let us know. I know
> I'm willing to open it for you and put it through a mif wash, and I doubt
> I'm the only one.
>
>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 7:55 AM Jeff Coatsworth <
>> jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote:
>>
>> Welcome screen issues - several reports on the FM forum; Adobe is looking
>> into it - there's a workaround involving editing the welcome.htm file
>> posted. It appears that some Win10 update has messed it up.
>>
>> Unopenable file - haven't got much to help you on that - maybe download
>> the 2020 trial and try opening a copy of it with that and if it works back
>> save it & as .mif
>> 
>> From: Framers > jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of
>> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 6:29 PM
>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
>> Subject: [Framers] FM2019 and gremlins
>>
>> So,
>>
>>
>>
>> I just opened FM2019 (Windows 10, 64-bit, fully updated) for the first time
>> in in about a month and a half and whoa. . . the Welcome screen has been
>> taken over by gremlins apparently. . . it has a totally different layout,
>> font size, different options etc.  I had no idea that this was even
>> possible. . .I mean it's a desktop app with a perpetual license so the app
>> doesn't have to "phone home"  when I launch it , but then even further,
>> after I opened the book that I last worked on 6 weeks ago, and for one file
>> in the book, I am getting the following message:
>>
>>
>>
>> The file "filename.fm" is not a FM file. Framemaker can try to open the
>> file
>> in either Framemaker or in the file's native application. Uh, the file
>>>> IS<< an FM file . .  . I just worked on it 6 weeks ago w/out any issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I click on the Framemaker option, I then get a second message stating
>> that the file can't be opened with this version of FM. . . but it's a file
>> that I just opened 6 weeks ago. I punted and then tried the heroic open
>> option to no avail.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know the chances of this oddity being related to the Welcome screen
>> metamorphosis is pretty slim, but >>SOMETHING<< had to change in the app to
>> give me two issues at once.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts I really, really  need to be able to open this file.
>>
>>
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>>
>>
>> TVB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tammy Van Boening
>>
>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>>
>>
>> https://url.avanan.click/v2/___www.spectrumwritingllc.com___.YXAzOmpvbmFzY29ycG9yYXRlOmE6bzo4ODQ5NDEyMDllNTFhMjM0ZTAxODk4MDE0ZjUzMWMzNTo1OjEzYmE6NmVkMTkwOGU4YWIyMjA1M2Y2YTZhYmEwZmQyNTEzZDk4ZGI0ODYxNGExNmU1MDE4ODViOTVhODBjYzU2NjA2NjpwOk4
>>
>>
>&

Re: [Framers] FM2019 and gremlins

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Thank you. I will try this and then reach out if I need help still. This list 
rocks.

TVB 

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> On Feb 23, 2022, at 6:09 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> 
> And if you can't use the trial version for some reason, let us know. I know
> I'm willing to open it for you and put it through a mif wash, and I doubt
> I'm the only one.
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 7:55 AM Jeff Coatsworth <
>> jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Welcome screen issues - several reports on the FM forum; Adobe is looking
>> into it - there's a workaround involving editing the welcome.htm file
>> posted. It appears that some Win10 update has messed it up.
>> 
>> Unopenable file - haven't got much to help you on that - maybe download
>> the 2020 trial and try opening a copy of it with that and if it works back
>> save it & as .mif
>> 
>> From: Framers > jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of
>> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 6:29 PM
>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
>> Subject: [Framers] FM2019 and gremlins
>> 
>> So,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I just opened FM2019 (Windows 10, 64-bit, fully updated) for the first time
>> in in about a month and a half and whoa. . . the Welcome screen has been
>> taken over by gremlins apparently. . . it has a totally different layout,
>> font size, different options etc.  I had no idea that this was even
>> possible. . .I mean it's a desktop app with a perpetual license so the app
>> doesn't have to "phone home"  when I launch it , but then even further,
>> after I opened the book that I last worked on 6 weeks ago, and for one file
>> in the book, I am getting the following message:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The file "filename.fm" is not a FM file. Framemaker can try to open the
>> file
>> in either Framemaker or in the file's native application. Uh, the file
 IS<< an FM file . .  . I just worked on it 6 weeks ago w/out any issues.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> When I click on the Framemaker option, I then get a second message stating
>> that the file can't be opened with this version of FM. . . but it's a file
>> that I just opened 6 weeks ago. I punted and then tried the heroic open
>> option to no avail.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I know the chances of this oddity being related to the Welcome screen
>> metamorphosis is pretty slim, but >>SOMETHING<< had to change in the app to
>> give me two issues at once.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thoughts I really, really  need to be able to open this file.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> TVB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tammy Van Boening
>> 
>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>> 
>> 
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[Framers] FM2019 and gremlins

[tammyvb]

So,

 

I just opened FM2019 (Windows 10, 64-bit, fully updated) for the first time
in in about a month and a half and whoa. . . the Welcome screen has been
taken over by gremlins apparently. . . it has a totally different layout,
font size, different options etc.  I had no idea that this was even
possible. . .I mean it's a desktop app with a perpetual license so the app
doesn't have to "phone home"  when I launch it , but then even further,
after I opened the book that I last worked on 6 weeks ago, and for one file
in the book, I am getting the following message:

 

The file "filename.fm" is not a FM file. Framemaker can try to open the file
in either Framemaker or in the file's native application. Uh, the file
>>IS<< an FM file . .  . I just worked on it 6 weeks ago w/out any issues.

 

When I click on the Framemaker option, I then get a second message stating
that the file can't be opened with this version of FM. . . but it's a file
that I just opened 6 weeks ago. I punted and then tried the heroic open
option to no avail.

 

I know the chances of this oddity being related to the Welcome screen
metamorphosis is pretty slim, but >>SOMETHING<< had to change in the app to
give me two issues at once. 

 

Thoughts I really, really  need to be able to open this file.

 

TIA,

 

TVB

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

 

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Re: [Framers] Adobe Support Phone number

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Unfortunately, this lack of service has nothing to do with location. I have 
been on hold with Adobe support for egregiously extended periods of time many 
times in my 25+ years of using Adobe products. Once (and I remember this 
vividly because of the lurch it left me in) I was in the middle of assistance 
with a convoluted Acrobat install and right in the middle of the conversation, 
the phone was automatically disconnected because it was 7 pm Pacific time and 
Adobe closed at that time come hell or high water. . . Didn’t matter if they 
were in the middle of a support case or not.

This list saved me. . . I went ballistic on it and had several other users 
chime in their support and share similar experiences and the next morning, I 
received a phone call from Adobe directly themselves, but it shouldn’t have 
reacted  this point in the first place.

I am so sorry that this happened to you. After all these years, doesn’t sound 
like much has changed.

I am just glad you’re up and running.

TVB

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> On Jan 26, 2022, at 3:49 AM, Klaus Daube  wrote:
> 
> On 25 Jan 2022 at 2:46, Wendy Studinski wrote:
> 
>> I need help getting a fresh install of my Adobe products after computer 
>> problems. 
>> I called 800-833-6687 and have been on hold over 3 hours now.
> 
> This may happen if you are not located in the US or Canady.
> 
> Thy this:
> https://helpx.adobe.com/contact/enterprise-support.other.html#framemaker
> for your Adobe Support options. I'd recommend using the tcs...@adobe.com 
> e-mail 
> address as it reaches a team dedicated to Technical Communication Suite 
> products 
> including FrameMaker.
> 
> Klaus
> 
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Re: [Framers] TOC issue

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Thank you! I will try this out and let you know how it goes.

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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Reng Winfried  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tammy,
> 
> I just read your post about line breaks.
> 
> What you can do:
> In the paragraph designer in the Advanced tab change the Minimum
> and Maximum values of your TOC paragraphs:
> Minimum 200 %
> Maximum 125 %
> This will create an automatic line break shortly before the right end of the 
> lines.
> I have this setting for many years now, and only very rarely do I have to add
> a manual line break.
> You can change the values to get the line break earlier or later.
> Just experiment a little bit.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Winfried
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
>  On Behalf 
> Of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 9:26 PM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue
> 
> ...
> Right now, when I have lines that don't wrap correctly in my TOC (based on 
> the length of the text for a tag), I am going through and manually adding the 
> needed breaks, but of course, this is tedious work and I loathe doing it 
> every time I produce a final book because either I forget to do it or I miss 
> a line or two.
> 
> Wasn't there a script "out there somewhere?" that magically did this for you? 
> 
> If anyone remembers this script and can point me in the right direction 
> (other than off a cliff which is what I feel like doing right now), I would 
> most appreciate it.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> TVB
> 
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Re: [Framers] Finding an imported graphic of a specific type

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Thank you!

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> On Dec 30, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> 
> If you open the Insets pod (FM 2019 and later, at least) and select All
> documents from the filter, it will list everything imported into your book
> and specify whether it's by reference or copy and which chapter it's
> located in.
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 10:59 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
>> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
>> 
>> They are imported and linked and they all are in specific folders;
>> however, I also needed to know what specific chapter each of the PNG’s was
>> in and I got that after generating the list because it gave me the figure
>> number for each graphic and the figure number indicated the chapter.
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Caroline Tabach 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are they imported and not linked?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you had kept all the sources in a specific folder you could check
>> there
>>> 
>>> Caroline Tabach
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2021, 23:49 ,  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I won't bore you w/ all the reasons why, but in a guide that I am
>> currently
>>>> writing, I need to be able to find all the imported graphics that are a
>>>> PNG.
>>>> I know how to find all the imported graphics by searching for a marker
>>>> type,
>>>> but that obviously gives me all types of imported graphics, regardless
>> of
>>>> the format (and I have PDFs and PNGs), and I need to specifically search
>>>> only for PNGs and there are HUNDREDS of graphics in this guide.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> What am I missing or is this even possible?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> TIA,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> TVB
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tammy Van Boening
>>>> 
>>>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>>>> 
>>>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [Framers] Finding an imported graphic of a specific type

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They are imported and linked and they all are in specific folders; however, I 
also needed to know what specific chapter each of the PNG’s was in and I got 
that after generating the list because it gave me the figure number for each 
graphic and the figure number indicated the chapter. 

Thank you!



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> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Caroline Tabach  
> wrote:
> 
> Are they imported and not linked?
> 
> 
> If you had kept all the sources in a specific folder you could check there
> 
> Caroline Tabach
> 
>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2021, 23:49 ,  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I won't bore you w/ all the reasons why, but in a guide that I am currently
>> writing, I need to be able to find all the imported graphics that are a
>> PNG.
>> I know how to find all the imported graphics by searching for a marker
>> type,
>> but that obviously gives me all types of imported graphics, regardless of
>> the format (and I have PDFs and PNGs), and I need to specifically search
>> only for PNGs and there are HUNDREDS of graphics in this guide.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What am I missing or is this even possible?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> TVB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tammy Van Boening
>> 
>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>> 
>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Framers] Finding an imported graphic of a specific type

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It does and thank you!

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> On Dec 29, 2021, at 5:26 PM, loui...@mchsi.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Tammy, 
> You can generate a list of references and specify imported graphics. I don't 
> have frame loaded but I'm pretty sure the graphic name will include the file 
> extension, so you could search for ".png". Each list item will be hyperlinked 
> to the graphic. 
> Hope this helps. 
> Best,
> Louise
> 
> Louise Kaufman1502 Meadowbrook DriveMason City, IA 
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> 
> - Original Message -
> From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Sent: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 16:49:50 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: [Framers] Finding an imported graphic of a specific type
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> 
> I won't bore you w/ all the reasons why, but in a guide that I am currently
> writing, I need to be able to find all the imported graphics that are a PNG.
> I know how to find all the imported graphics by searching for a marker type,
> but that obviously gives me all types of imported graphics, regardless of
> the format (and I have PDFs and PNGs), and I need to specifically search
> only for PNGs and there are HUNDREDS of graphics in this guide. 
> 
> 
> 
> What am I missing or is this even possible?
> 
> 
> 
> TIA,
> 
> 
> 
> TVB
> 
> 
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> 
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> 
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> 
> 
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[Framers] Finding an imported graphic of a specific type

[tammyvb]

Hi All,

 

I won't bore you w/ all the reasons why, but in a guide that I am currently
writing, I need to be able to find all the imported graphics that are a PNG.
I know how to find all the imported graphics by searching for a marker type,
but that obviously gives me all types of imported graphics, regardless of
the format (and I have PDFs and PNGs), and I need to specifically search
only for PNGs and there are HUNDREDS of graphics in this guide. 

 

What am I missing or is this even possible?

 

TIA,

 

TVB

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

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Re: [Framers] TOC issue

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OK so yeah we’re really dating ourselves here on this list. The last release 
that Chris had for the ToC Breaker . . . Drumroll please.  It was FrameMaker 11 
- yep, you read that right. 

Anyway I’ve already reached out to Rick Quatro and have popped another idea in 
his head for another script.

Thank you everyone once again! 

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> On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:21 PM, tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is the name that I remember!
> Thank you!!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:18 PM, Peter Gold  wrote:
>> 
>> Cudspan's "tocbreaker" might be the magic tool. Try a web search.
>> 
>>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 4:06 PM Heiko Haida  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you prepare a title text with some nonbreaking spaces (that do not
>>> bother in the place where the title is) according to your idea how this
>>> should look like in the TOC, the text then will always keep together in
>>> the TOC when regenerated.
>>> This may help, or at least may help for most of the lines in the TOC.
>>> 
>>> Of course, this is not such a good idea if the text has to be translated
>>> to other languages where the line breaks have to be set differently.
>>> 
>>> Best regards --- Tino H. Haida, Berlin
>>> 
>>> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com:
>>> 
>>>> OK, Rick's script saved my bacon yet again, and while I am on a roll, I
>>>> am gonna' get greedy and ask if someone can refresh the fuzzy recesses
>>>> of my aging mind.
>>>> 
>>>> Right now, when I have lines that don't wrap correctly in my TOC (based
>>>> on the length of the text for a tag), I am going through and manually
>>>> adding the needed breaks, but of course, this is tedious work and I
>>>> loathe doing it every time I produce a final book because either I
>>>> forget to do it or I miss a line or two.
>>>> 
>>>> Wasn't there a script "out there somewhere?" that magically did this
>>>> for you?
>>>> 
>>>> If anyone remembers this script and can point me in the right direction
>>>> (other than off a cliff which is what I feel like doing right now), I
>>>> would most appreciate it.
>>>> 
>>>> TIA,
>>>> 
>>>> TVB
>>>> 
>>>> Tammy Van Boening
>>>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>>>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com [1]
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Framers >>> bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
>>>> Behalf Of Peter Gold
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:47 AM
>>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue
>>>> 
>>>> Great news! Thanks to Rick!
>>>> 
>>>> This is definitely a bug, or at least a documentation omission, AKA
>>>> bug,  that
>>>> needs formal reporting, Someone please report it. Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 12:31 PM  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> OK, as someone asked offlist, yes, some of these equation titles do
>>>> contain non-alphanumeric characters. .. (Their response to my: I seem
>>>> to recall that I ran up against a similar problem about 15 years ago
>>>> and ultimately tracked it down to prohibited (but not documented)
>>>> punctuation characters in the headings that weren't appearing in the
>>>> ToC).
>>>> 
>>>> Other ones do contain a character formatting change in the middle of
>>>> the link (not at the beginning as Craig asked), so I obviously was
>>>> taught incorrectly or remember incorrectly that as long as the
>>>> character didn't begin the link, all was OK.
>>>> 
>>>> Long story short - Rick Quatro is going to revamp a script that will
>>>> solve the issue and save the day yet again for another FM user
>>>> (especially me), and I can stop banging my head on the wall - about
>>>> this little gem anyway.
>>>> Thank you everyone for your responses. Every single time that I post
>>>> to this list, I not only get the answer that I need but I also learn
>>>> so many little tidbits and extra gems of knowledge about FM

Re: [Framers] TOC issue

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Yes, that is the name that I remember!
Thank you!!!

Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.

> On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:18 PM, Peter Gold  wrote:
> 
> Cudspan's "tocbreaker" might be the magic tool. Try a web search.
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 4:06 PM Heiko Haida  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you prepare a title text with some nonbreaking spaces (that do not
>> bother in the place where the title is) according to your idea how this
>> should look like in the TOC, the text then will always keep together in
>> the TOC when regenerated.
>> This may help, or at least may help for most of the lines in the TOC.
>> 
>> Of course, this is not such a good idea if the text has to be translated
>> to other languages where the line breaks have to be set differently.
>> 
>> Best regards --- Tino H. Haida, Berlin
>> 
>> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com:
>> 
>>> OK, Rick's script saved my bacon yet again, and while I am on a roll, I
>>> am gonna' get greedy and ask if someone can refresh the fuzzy recesses
>>> of my aging mind.
>>> 
>>> Right now, when I have lines that don't wrap correctly in my TOC (based
>>> on the length of the text for a tag), I am going through and manually
>>> adding the needed breaks, but of course, this is tedious work and I
>>> loathe doing it every time I produce a final book because either I
>>> forget to do it or I miss a line or two.
>>> 
>>> Wasn't there a script "out there somewhere?" that magically did this
>>> for you?
>>> 
>>> If anyone remembers this script and can point me in the right direction
>>> (other than off a cliff which is what I feel like doing right now), I
>>> would most appreciate it.
>>> 
>>> TIA,
>>> 
>>> TVB
>>> 
>>> Tammy Van Boening
>>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com [1]
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Framers >> bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
>>> Behalf Of Peter Gold
>>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:47 AM
>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue
>>> 
>>> Great news! Thanks to Rick!
>>> 
>>> This is definitely a bug, or at least a documentation omission, AKA
>>> bug,  that
>>> needs formal reporting, Someone please report it. Thanks.
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 12:31 PM  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> OK, as someone asked offlist, yes, some of these equation titles do
>>> contain non-alphanumeric characters. .. (Their response to my: I seem
>>> to recall that I ran up against a similar problem about 15 years ago
>>> and ultimately tracked it down to prohibited (but not documented)
>>> punctuation characters in the headings that weren't appearing in the
>>> ToC).
>>> 
>>> Other ones do contain a character formatting change in the middle of
>>> the link (not at the beginning as Craig asked), so I obviously was
>>> taught incorrectly or remember incorrectly that as long as the
>>> character didn't begin the link, all was OK.
>>> 
>>> Long story short - Rick Quatro is going to revamp a script that will
>>> solve the issue and save the day yet again for another FM user
>>> (especially me), and I can stop banging my head on the wall - about
>>> this little gem anyway.
>>> Thank you everyone for your responses. Every single time that I post
>>> to this list, I not only get the answer that I need but I also learn
>>> so many little tidbits and extra gems of knowledge about FM that can
>>> come only from tribal knowledge and everyone's years of experience.
>>> 
>>> Have safe, healthy, and happy holidays.
>>> 
>>> TVB
>>> 
>>> Tammy Van Boening
>>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com [1]
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Framers >> bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
>>> Behalf Of Peter Gold
>>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 10:26 AM
>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue
>>> 
>>> Have you tried duplicating, by copying and pasting the problem
>

Re: [Framers] TOC issue

[tammyvb]

OK, Rick's script saved my bacon yet again, and while I am on a roll, I am 
gonna' get greedy and ask if someone can refresh the fuzzy recesses of my aging 
mind.

Right now, when I have lines that don't wrap correctly in my TOC (based on the 
length of the text for a tag), I am going through and manually adding the 
needed breaks, but of course, this is tedious work and I loathe doing it every 
time I produce a final book because either I forget to do it or I miss a line 
or two.

Wasn't there a script "out there somewhere?" that magically did this for you? 

If anyone remembers this script and can point me in the right direction (other 
than off a cliff which is what I feel like doing right now), I would most 
appreciate it.

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:47 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue
> 
> Great news! Thanks to Rick!
> 
> This is definitely a bug, or at least a documentation omission, AKA bug,  that
> needs formal reporting, Someone please report it. Thanks.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 12:31 PM  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > OK, as someone asked offlist, yes, some of these equation titles do
> > contain non-alphanumeric characters. .. (Their response to my: I seem
> > to recall that I ran up against a similar problem about 15 years ago
> > and ultimately tracked it down to prohibited (but not documented)
> > punctuation characters in the headings that weren't appearing in the ToC).
> >
> > Other ones do contain a character formatting change in the middle of
> > the link (not at the beginning as Craig asked), so I obviously was
> > taught incorrectly or remember incorrectly that as long as the
> > character didn't begin the link, all was OK.
> >
> > Long story short - Rick Quatro is going to revamp a script that will
> > solve the issue and save the day yet again for another FM user
> > (especially me), and I can stop banging my head on the wall - about this
> little gem anyway.
> >
> > Thank you everyone for your responses. Every single time that I post
> > to this list, I not only get the answer that I need but I also learn
> > so many little tidbits and extra gems of knowledge about FM that can
> > come only from tribal knowledge and everyone's years of experience.
> >
> > Have safe, healthy, and happy holidays.
> >
> > TVB
> >
> > Tammy Van Boening
> > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> > www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers  > > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > > Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 10:26 AM
> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue
> > >
> > > Have you tried duplicating, by copying and pasting the problem
> > paragraphs,
> > > to see if they retain the problem gremlins? If they don't, try
> > > deleting
> > or;
> > > hiding the bad ones one with a condition.
> > >
> > > Perhaps the problem material falls on some kind of border or limit.
> > > Have
> > you
> > > tried creating a placeholder chapter ahead of the book materials,
> > > then regenerating? If that fixes it, resett the numberings or hide
> > > it, to
> > ignore the
> > > placeholder, and regen.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:55 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
> > > tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > What I NEED to do is just punt this project. . .
> > > > And yes I agree with you I should not have to do that but any port
> > > > in a storm. . .
> > > >
> > > > Rick Quatro wants to look at the TOC and he always rides to my
> > > > rescue in these frustrating situations, so I’m waiting to hear
> > > > back from him, and learn what the obvious problem it is. . .
> > > >
> > > > Well, obvious to him (and probably everybody else at this point
> > > > I’m so
> > > > frustrated) but not to me!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my i

Re: [Framers] TOC issue

[tammyvb]

Well, besides the obvious typo in that instruction paragraph from Adobe, for 
whatever reason, it reads in circles to me. At this point, I am calling it good 
and waiting for my rescue script.

 

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of r...@rickquatro.com
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:59 AM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue
> 
> This is not really a bug but a "feature," at least according to the FrameMaker
> documentation. I posted some information, including screenshots, on the
> Adobe Forums.
> 
> https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker-discussions/broken-toc-
> links/m-p/12602277#M73178
> 
> Rick
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Peter
> Gold
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 1:47 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue
> 
> Great news! Thanks to Rick!
> 
> This is definitely a bug, or at least a documentation omission, AKA bug,  that
> needs formal reporting, Someone please report it. Thanks.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 12:31 PM  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > OK, as someone asked offlist, yes, some of these equation titles do
> > contain non-alphanumeric characters. .. (Their response to my: I seem
> > to recall that I ran up against a similar problem about 15 years ago
> > and ultimately tracked it down to prohibited (but not documented)
> > punctuation characters in the headings that weren't appearing in the ToC).
> >
> > Other ones do contain a character formatting change in the middle of
> > the link (not at the beginning as Craig asked), so I obviously was
> > taught incorrectly or remember incorrectly that as long as the
> > character didn't begin the link, all was OK.
> >
> > Long story short - Rick Quatro is going to revamp a script that will
> > solve the issue and save the day yet again for another FM user
> > (especially me), and I can stop banging my head on the wall - about this
> little gem anyway.
> >
> > Thank you everyone for your responses. Every single time that I post
> > to this list, I not only get the answer that I need but I also learn
> > so many little tidbits and extra gems of knowledge about FM that can
> > come only from tribal knowledge and everyone's years of experience.
> >
> > Have safe, healthy, and happy holidays.
> >
> > TVB
> >
> > Tammy Van Boening
> > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> > www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers  > > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > > Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 10:26 AM
> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue
> > >
> > > Have you tried duplicating, by copying and pasting the problem
> > paragraphs,
> > > to see if they retain the problem gremlins? If they don't, try
> > > deleting
> > or;
> > > hiding the bad ones one with a condition.
> > >
> > > Perhaps the problem material falls on some kind of border or limit.
> > > Have
> > you
> > > tried creating a placeholder chapter ahead of the book materials,
> > > then regenerating? If that fixes it, resett the numberings or hide
> > > it, to
> > ignore the
> > > placeholder, and regen.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:55 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
> > > tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > What I NEED to do is just punt this project. . .
> > > > And yes I agree with you I should not have to do that but any port
> > > > in a storm. . .
> > > >
> > > > Rick Quatro wants to look at the TOC and he always rides to my
> > > > rescue in these frustrating situations, so I’m waiting to hear
> > > > back from him, and learn what the obvious problem it is. . .
> > > >
> > > > Well, obvious to him (and probably everybody else at this point
> > > > I’m so
> > > > frustrated) but not to me!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > >

Re: [Framers] TOC issue

[tammyvb]

Hi Everyone,

OK, as someone asked offlist, yes, some of these equation titles do contain 
non-alphanumeric characters. .. (Their response to my: I seem to recall that I 
ran up against a similar problem about 15 years ago and ultimately tracked it 
down to prohibited (but not documented) punctuation characters in the headings 
that weren't appearing in the ToC).

Other ones do contain a character formatting change in the middle of the link 
(not at the beginning as Craig asked), so I obviously was taught incorrectly or 
remember incorrectly that as long as the character didn't begin the link, all 
was OK.

Long story short - Rick Quatro is going to revamp a script that will solve the 
issue and save the day yet again for another FM user (especially me), and I can 
stop banging my head on the wall - about this little gem anyway.

Thank you everyone for your responses. Every single time that I post to this 
list, I not only get the answer that I need but I also learn so many little 
tidbits and extra gems of knowledge about FM that can come only from tribal 
knowledge and everyone's years of experience.

Have safe, healthy, and happy holidays.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 10:26 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue
> 
> Have you tried duplicating, by copying and pasting the problem paragraphs,
> to see if they retain the problem gremlins? If they don't, try deleting or;
> hiding the bad ones one with a condition.
> 
> Perhaps the problem material falls on some kind of border or limit. Have you
> tried creating a placeholder chapter ahead of the book materials, then
> regenerating? If that fixes it, resett the numberings or hide it, to ignore 
> the
> placeholder, and regen.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:55 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> >
> > What I NEED to do is just punt this project. . .
> > And yes I agree with you I should not have to do that but any port in
> > a storm. . .
> >
> > Rick Quatro wants to look at the TOC and he always rides to my rescue
> > in these frustrating situations, so I’m waiting to hear back from him,
> > and learn what the obvious problem it is. . .
> >
> > Well, obvious to him (and probably everybody else at this point I’m so
> > frustrated) but not to me!
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.
> >
> > > On Dec 17, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Lise Bible 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tammy,
> > > I have no Frame advice to offer (I am sure you've tried everything I
> > would
> > > have tried, and I'd be equally frustrated in your situation), but as
> > > a workaround, can you manually create these links in Acrobat after
> > > the
> > fact?
> > > To be clear, you shouldn't HAVE to do this, but in a pinch...
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > > -Lise
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 9:36 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
> > >> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Craig,
> > >>
> > >> No there is no difference in the character formatting between these
> > >> five entries and any of the other same type of entries in the TOC.
> > >>
> > >> All the EquationCaption  paragraph tags are formatted identically
> > without
> > >> any overrides or additional character settings.
> > >>
> > >> But if you have any other ideas or thoughts I would definitely
> > >> welcome them.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you!
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.
> > >>
> > >>>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Craig Ede 
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Is there any kind of character formatting at the beginning of
> > >>> these 5
> > >> lines being used for the TOC?
> > >>>
> > >>> Craig Ed
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> > >>> From: Framers  > hotmail@lists.frameusers.com>
> > >> on behalf of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com <
> > >> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com>
> > >>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:48 AM
> > >>> To: 

Re: [Framers] TOC issue

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]



What I NEED to do is just punt this project. . .
And yes I agree with you I should not have to do that but any port in a storm. 
. . 

Rick Quatro wants to look at the TOC and he always rides to my rescue in these 
frustrating situations, so I’m waiting to hear back from him, and learn what 
the obvious problem it is. . . 

Well, obvious to him (and probably everybody else at this point I’m so 
frustrated) but not to me!

Thanks!



Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.

> On Dec 17, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Lise Bible  wrote:
> 
> Tammy,
> I have no Frame advice to offer (I am sure you've tried everything I would
> have tried, and I'd be equally frustrated in your situation), but as a
> workaround, can you manually create these links in Acrobat after the fact?
> To be clear, you shouldn't HAVE to do this, but in a pinch...
> 
> Good luck!
> -Lise
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 9:36 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
>> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Craig,
>> 
>> No there is no difference in the character formatting between these five
>> entries and any of the other same type of entries in the TOC.
>> 
>> All the EquationCaption  paragraph tags are formatted identically without
>> any overrides or additional character settings.
>> 
>> But if you have any other ideas or thoughts I would definitely welcome
>> them.
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.
>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Craig Ede  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any kind of character formatting at the beginning of these 5
>> lines being used for the TOC?
>>> 
>>> Craig Ed
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Framers 
>> on behalf of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com <
>> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:48 AM
>>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
>>> Subject: [Framers] TOC issue
>>> 
>>> OK,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Me again, but I have done everything that I can think of doing to solve
>> this
>>> issue BEFORE I posted and I am at a loss.  I have a book for which I am
>>> generating a TOC. I have selected the necessary paragraph tags for the
>> TOC
>>> and generated. All the entries in the TOC are functioning as hyperlinks
>> as
>>> they should with the exception of 5 specific entries. They are deader
>> than a
>>> door nail. The first TOC entry above this set of five entries is an
>> active
>>> hyperlink and the first TOC entry below this group of 5 is also an active
>>> hyperlink.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have done the following:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1.  Deleted this specific text in the book and re-entered it.
>>> 2.  Confirmed that there is no override to any of these tags - the
>> text
>>> is EquationCaption w/out any overrides (No asterisk is showing for them.)
>>> 3.  Turned on all conditional text settings and generated the book to
>>> check and see if there was something buried in the hidden text that was
>>> causing the issue, but even w/ all the conditions turned on, I still have
>>> the issue.
>>> 4.  Added the same kind of tag (an Equation Caption) directly above
>> and
>>> directly below the section of five that are giving me fits and
>> regenerated
>>> and the tag above and below are indeed hyperlinks but these 5 remain
>>> stubbornly dead.
>>> 5.  All the equations are PDFs in this book, so I assumed that maybe
>>> there was a graphic issue, so I deleted the five relevant graphics and
>>> regenerated and again, the links are still dead.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am at a loss at this point. It is just this one small section in an
>>> otherwise large and graphic-laden manual, so there's nothing common about
>>> this issue that I can compare to other sections in this book as no other
>>> sections are giving me this problem.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would welcome any and all suggestions, insight, etc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TVB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tammy Van Boening
>>> 
>>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>>> 
>>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumw

Re: [Framers] TOC issue

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Yup. Sigh.

Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.

> On Dec 17, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Mike Wickham  wrote:
> 
> Have you tried a MIF wash?
> 
> Mike Wickham
> 
>> On 12/17/2021 8:48 AM, tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:
>> OK,
>> 
>>  
>> Me again, but I have done everything that I can think of doing to solve this
>> issue BEFORE I posted and I am at a loss.  I have a book for which I am
>> generating a TOC. I have selected the necessary paragraph tags for the TOC
>> and generated. All the entries in the TOC are functioning as hyperlinks as
>> they should with the exception of 5 specific entries. They are deader than a
>> door nail. The first TOC entry above this set of five entries is an active
>> hyperlink and the first TOC entry below this group of 5 is also an active
>> hyperlink.
>> 
>>  
>> I have done the following:
>> 
>>  
>> 1.Deleted this specific text in the book and re-entered it.
>> 2.Confirmed that there is no override to any of these tags - the text
>> is EquationCaption w/out any overrides (No asterisk is showing for them.)
>> 3.Turned on all conditional text settings and generated the book to
>> check and see if there was something buried in the hidden text that was
>> causing the issue, but even w/ all the conditions turned on, I still have
>> the issue.
>> 4.Added the same kind of tag (an Equation Caption) directly above and
>> directly below the section of five that are giving me fits and regenerated
>> and the tag above and below are indeed hyperlinks but these 5 remain
>> stubbornly dead.
>> 5.All the equations are PDFs in this book, so I assumed that maybe
>> there was a graphic issue, so I deleted the five relevant graphics and
>> regenerated and again, the links are still dead.
>> 
>>  
>> I am at a loss at this point. It is just this one small section in an
>> otherwise large and graphic-laden manual, so there's nothing common about
>> this issue that I can compare to other sections in this book as no other
>> sections are giving me this problem.
>> 
>>  
>> I would welcome any and all suggestions, insight, etc.
>> 
>>  
>> Regards,
>> 
>>  
>> TVB
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Tammy Van Boening
>> 
>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>> 
>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>> 
>>  
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Re: [Framers] TOC issue

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Hi Craig,

No there is no difference in the character formatting between these five 
entries and any of the other same type of entries in the TOC. 

All the EquationCaption  paragraph tags are formatted identically without any 
overrides or additional character settings.

But if you have any other ideas or thoughts I would definitely welcome them.

Thank you!

Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.

> On Dec 17, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Craig Ede  wrote:
> 
> Is there any kind of character formatting at the beginning of these 5 lines 
> being used for the TOC?
> 
> Craig Ed
> 
> 
> From: Framers  on 
> behalf of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:48 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
> Subject: [Framers] TOC issue
> 
> OK,
> 
> 
> 
> Me again, but I have done everything that I can think of doing to solve this
> issue BEFORE I posted and I am at a loss.  I have a book for which I am
> generating a TOC. I have selected the necessary paragraph tags for the TOC
> and generated. All the entries in the TOC are functioning as hyperlinks as
> they should with the exception of 5 specific entries. They are deader than a
> door nail. The first TOC entry above this set of five entries is an active
> hyperlink and the first TOC entry below this group of 5 is also an active
> hyperlink.
> 
> 
> 
> I have done the following:
> 
> 
> 
> 1.  Deleted this specific text in the book and re-entered it.
> 2.  Confirmed that there is no override to any of these tags - the text
> is EquationCaption w/out any overrides (No asterisk is showing for them.)
> 3.  Turned on all conditional text settings and generated the book to
> check and see if there was something buried in the hidden text that was
> causing the issue, but even w/ all the conditions turned on, I still have
> the issue.
> 4.  Added the same kind of tag (an Equation Caption) directly above and
> directly below the section of five that are giving me fits and regenerated
> and the tag above and below are indeed hyperlinks but these 5 remain
> stubbornly dead.
> 5.  All the equations are PDFs in this book, so I assumed that maybe
> there was a graphic issue, so I deleted the five relevant graphics and
> regenerated and again, the links are still dead.
> 
> 
> 
> I am at a loss at this point. It is just this one small section in an
> otherwise large and graphic-laden manual, so there's nothing common about
> this issue that I can compare to other sections in this book as no other
> sections are giving me this problem.
> 
> 
> 
> I would welcome any and all suggestions, insight, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> TVB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> 
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> 
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> 
> 
> 
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[Framers] TOC issue

[tammyvb]

OK, 

 

Me again, but I have done everything that I can think of doing to solve this
issue BEFORE I posted and I am at a loss.  I have a book for which I am
generating a TOC. I have selected the necessary paragraph tags for the TOC
and generated. All the entries in the TOC are functioning as hyperlinks as
they should with the exception of 5 specific entries. They are deader than a
door nail. The first TOC entry above this set of five entries is an active
hyperlink and the first TOC entry below this group of 5 is also an active
hyperlink.

 

I have done the following:

 

1.  Deleted this specific text in the book and re-entered it.
2.  Confirmed that there is no override to any of these tags - the text
is EquationCaption w/out any overrides (No asterisk is showing for them.)
3.  Turned on all conditional text settings and generated the book to
check and see if there was something buried in the hidden text that was
causing the issue, but even w/ all the conditions turned on, I still have
the issue.
4.  Added the same kind of tag (an Equation Caption) directly above and
directly below the section of five that are giving me fits and regenerated
and the tag above and below are indeed hyperlinks but these 5 remain
stubbornly dead.
5.  All the equations are PDFs in this book, so I assumed that maybe
there was a graphic issue, so I deleted the five relevant graphics and
regenerated and again, the links are still dead.

 

I am at a loss at this point. It is just this one small section in an
otherwise large and graphic-laden manual, so there's nothing common about
this issue that I can compare to other sections in this book as no other
sections are giving me this problem.

 

I would welcome any and all suggestions, insight, etc.

 

Regards,

 

TVB

 

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

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Re: [Framers] Adobe Acrobat Pro XI Distiller issue

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Hi Caroline, Rick, and Reng,

I figured that it would be easier to answer everyone in one fell swoop.

First, thank you everyone for all the responses. This list is always so awesome!

Ok, first, nope . . . Nothing in terms of graphics has changed in the book. 
More text was added with basic formatting such as Body and Heading levels, but 
that’s it.

Second, thank you for walking me through the ins and outs of setting job 
options through the Publishing pod. I have not produced PDFs this way before 
and was too frazzled to think it through last night.

Third, in a desperate attempt to get myself up and running, I removed the 
headless Distiller from my apps, closed any open PDFs (even though none of them 
should have impacted the PDF I was trying to generate -they were in different 
out folders, etc), ran a repair on Acrobat and relaunched Distiller and tried 
again. . . And voila - the PDF was generated just as expected!  So, what got 
hosed in Acrobat between Wednesday and Thursday, I have absolutely no ideas. I 
didn’t take any Windows updates, and obviously based on their ages, no updates 
to FM or Acrobat either.

And just for grins and giggles, I tried one more thing as well. I opened all 
the other PDFs that were opened previously at the same time that this problem 
first started and I could get the problem to repeat. I started closing down 
some PDFs and after a magic number we’re closed, then and only then, can I get 
my book to distill completely. Evidently, there’s something about a magic 
number of PDFs that are open when you were distilling a book that keeps 
distiller from working even though these PDFs are in different out folders, 
they are not created from any of the same source and so on. Yes, its empirical 
and no, it doesn’t make any sense, but it was definitely repeatable!

So for now I’m just going with what I have and making sure that I don’t have 
any other PDFs open when I am trying to generate a new PDF. And if for some 
reason that doesn’t work, then at least now I understand how to use the 
publishing pod, and Rick, I will still send you the log file.

Again, thank you everyone for all your responses. This list is a true community!

It was late last night my time when this problem occurred and I was so 
frazzled, I just wasn’t thinking straight! And based on how late my night was 
yesterday, I took a little time off this morning and slept in and I’m just now 
checking emails, so I apologize for my late response.

TGIF!!

TVB

Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.

> On Dec 10, 2021, at 5:46 AM, r...@rickquatro.com wrote:
> Hi Tammy,
> 
> There should be a .log file in the folder. Can you grab that and post the
> contents of the file? Thanks.
> 
> Rick
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  On
> Behalf Of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 9:32 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Adobe Acrobat Pro XI Distiller issue
> 
> Windows 10, 64-bit system. Adobe Framemaker 2019, perpetual license.
> 
> 
> 
> Since the cows have come home, I print a FM book to .ps to a watched folder,
> and then w/ Acrobat Distiller open and set to the correct joboptions file, I
> distill the .ps to a PDF. It has worked like a charm all the way through
> yesterday when boom - now the book is distilled to about 93% w/out errors
> and then Acrobat Distiller just closes. NO error  message, nada, zip, zilch.
> 
> 
> 
> I have changed ABSOLUTELY nothing on my system, taken no updates, etc. 
> 
> 
> 
> I have absolutely NO idea why/how this got started, but I am in desperate
> need of getting this figured out because I have a specific joptions file
> that I must use for each client book (fonts that must be embedded in the
> PDF) and with using the Save As PDF option in FM, how on earth do I apply
> the right joboptions?
> 
> 
> 
> Any and all help is sincerely appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> TVB
> 
> 
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> 
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> 
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> 
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[Framers] Adobe Acrobat Pro XI Distiller issue

[tammyvb]

Windows 10, 64-bit system. Adobe Framemaker 2019, perpetual license.

 

Since the cows have come home, I print a FM book to .ps to a watched folder,
and then w/ Acrobat Distiller open and set to the correct joboptions file, I
distill the .ps to a PDF. It has worked like a charm all the way through
yesterday when boom - now the book is distilled to about 93% w/out errors
and then Acrobat Distiller just closes. NO error  message, nada, zip, zilch.

 

I have changed ABSOLUTELY nothing on my system, taken no updates, etc. 

 

I have absolutely NO idea why/how this got started, but I am in desperate
need of getting this figured out because I have a specific joptions file
that I must use for each client book (fonts that must be embedded in the
PDF) and with using the Save As PDF option in FM, how on earth do I apply
the right joboptions?

 

Any and all help is sincerely appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

TVB

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

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Re: [Framers] Purchase options

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

2019 at one point was still a perpetual license and if you’re willing to pay, 
you can still find one to buy through a few vetted resellers but not through 
Adobe. Everything for FrameMaker is definitely now subscription only.  



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> On Nov 6, 2021, at 12:32 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> 
> 2020, and 2019 (I think) are now both subscription only.
> 
> No change in the set up though -- all applications in the TCS, including
> Frame are installed locally.
> 
> Art Campbell
>  art.campb...@gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and
> a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 12:00 PM Spencer Rugaber <
>> spencerruga...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I had a look at the Adobe site this morning investigating upgrading my
>> legacy licensed version (v.5.5.6). However, all I saw was a subscription
>> option. Is a licensed version is available? If so, I would appreciate a
>> pointer. If subscription is the only option, does usage require the cloud
>> or can I install locally?
>> 
>> Thanks for your advice.
>> 
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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

[tammyvb]

Thank you Dennis!!! 

Much appreciated.

TVB

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> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of Dennis Hays
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:09 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so
> many of us feel the way we do
> 
> June 1, 2021 version of the FrameMaker Help Manual:
> https://www.framegoodies.us/FrameMaker_Help/framemaker_help.pdf
> 
> Dennis
> 
> Lin Sims wrote on 10/20/2021 11:01 AM:
> > Note also that the contents of the PDF and the online help are
identical.
> > It's useful if you're not connected, but it might actually be faster
> > to use the online help if you are.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 11:00 AM Lin Sims  wrote:
> >
> >> That PDF is useful but also a real pain, because it takes forever to
> >> open and searching also takes a while. This is weird, because the
> >> manual for
> >> 2019 is a similar size but opens and searches quickly on the same
machine.
> >> I even tried to save it as optimized without any improvement.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:18 AM Reng Winfried <
> >> w.r...@carecom-solutions.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> You can download the FrameMaker help as PDF from the Adobe
> website:
> >>> https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/help/help-resources.html
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> --
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Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe

[tammyvb]

Matt's stuff has saved my bacon more times than I count w/ the newest
release of RH, and w/ the newest releases of FM. I am using FM2019 because I
really absolutely did not need any of the bells and whistles that keep being
added to FM after FM12, and I would have gladly had FM12 pried out of my
cold, dead hands if given a choice, but alas. . . support for FM12 is no
longer possible w/ ePub from Webworks, so I had to suck it up and upgrade,
but I dug my heels in and paid for a perpetual license (w/out any upgrade
cost consideration).



Tammy Van Boening
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www.spectrumwritingllc.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 6:10 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> 
> Matt has published Working with Content 2020, which is for the most recent
> version of Frame. It's based on the Scriptorium Using FrameMaker 8, and
it's
> pretty helpful. I do recommend it if you're sick of the online help.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:33 PM  wrote:
> 
> > I will say among the many things that annoy about Adobe, the one that
> > really, really annoys me is that it purports itself to be a technical
> > communication company, yet after around FM 6.0, the absolutely
> > FANTASTIC User guides that they produced to support the use of their
> > products just when down the tubes . . .zip, zilch, nada for how many
> > years now? I still have my very dog-eared, tattered Frame bibles that
> > were sent w/ FM 5.5.6,
> > 6.0 and 7.0 and they are my life-savers to this day when I need to
> > remember how to do something that I haven't done in a long time.
> > Nowadays, you're left to hunting and pecking out on the web, hoping
> > like H*LL that someone in a forum has had the same problem asked and
> > answered, or that in Adobe's lame excuse for Online documentation for
> > any product, that you find a hint of what you need.
> >
> > I was stuck using RH2019 WAY before it was ready for prime time a few
> > years ago and if it weren't for Matt Sullivan's class, and the support
> > of Peter Grainger, and Surbhi Maheshwari directly from Adobe, I would
> > have just slit my wrists and it shouldn't have had to be like that at
all.
> > Adobe's online "documentation" was so lame - grossly incomplete, flat
> > out wrong in places, missing critical information. How on earth did
> > they expect anyone to be able to use a brand new product w/out any
> > decent user documentation - by osmosis or serendipitously?
> >
> > And yes, I agree - Adobe has D*MNED good products that meet the needs
> > of projects unlike any other product, but w/out competent and timely
> > support - either the human kind or the user guide kind - it doesn't
> > matter. If you can't use the product the correct way and to its
> > fullest extent, what's the point?
> >
> > Tammy Van Boening
> > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> > www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> 
> 
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Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe

[tammyvb]

I will say among the many things that annoy about Adobe, the one that really, 
really annoys me is that it purports itself to be a technical communication 
company, yet after around FM 6.0, the absolutely FANTASTIC User guides that 
they produced to support the use of their products just when down the tubes . . 
.zip, zilch, nada for how many years now? I still have my very dog-eared, 
tattered Frame bibles that were sent w/ FM 5.5.6, 6.0 and 7.0 and they are my 
life-savers to this day when I need to remember how to do something that I 
haven't done in a long time. Nowadays, you're left to hunting and pecking out 
on the web, hoping like H*LL that someone in a forum has had the same problem 
asked and answered, or that in Adobe's lame excuse for Online documentation for 
any product, that you find a hint of what you need.

I was stuck using RH2019 WAY before it was ready for prime time a few years ago 
and if it weren't for Matt Sullivan's class, and the support of Peter Grainger, 
and Surbhi Maheshwari directly from Adobe, I would have just slit my wrists and 
it shouldn't have had to be like that at all. Adobe's online "documentation" 
was so lame - grossly incomplete, flat out wrong in places, missing critical 
information. How on earth did they expect anyone to be able to use a brand new 
product w/out any decent user documentation - by osmosis or serendipitously? 

And yes, I agree - Adobe has D*MNED good products that meet the needs of 
projects unlike any other product, but w/out competent and timely support - 
either the human kind or the user guide kind - it doesn't matter. If you can't 
use the product the correct way and to its fullest extent, what's the point?

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 4:19 PM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> 
> Amen!!!
> 
> TVB
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers  > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > Behalf Of Craig, Alison GLI/CA
> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 11:15 AM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> >
> > IMO, Adobe treats us as open wallets from which to extract more and
> > more money - but they deal only reluctantly with our support issues
> > (you have to be *very* persistent) and (almost) never fix the actual
> > problem. (How many of you have searched the web for an "Adobe
> > solution" and come across a bunch of forums with reams of the same
> > complaint as yours, and the complaints date back 5, 7, 12 or more
> > years?)
> >
> > I've also had the "unhelpful and/or hours-on-hold support" issue with
> > other products (Creative Suite, anyone?) and don't get me started on
> > the dog poo they call "Adobe Digital Editions", which they refuse to
> > fix and also refuse to support. Yes, I know ADE is free, but do it right or
> don't do it at all.
> >
> > Alison
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers  > bounces+acraig=greenlightinnovation@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 11:47 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> >
> > Well, I had Frame 7 for ages and ages, and used to see all the stories
> > on forums, so never moved till we got Windows 10 and then went
> > straight to frame 2015, so did not encounter these issues.
> >
> > Now I am in a place which is not using Frame
> >
> > Caroline Tabach
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021, 23:17 ,  wrote:
> >
> > > Yea, pretty much. . . I figured after the installation fiascos that
> > > started with the first attempt at the Technical Communication Suite
> > > (TCS,
> > > 2009 - remember that!), Adobe had to catch on fast about this issue,
> > > but apparently that has not been the case. . . it was horrible then
> > > and has s

Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe

[tammyvb]

Amen!!!

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of Craig, Alison GLI/CA
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 11:15 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> 
> IMO, Adobe treats us as open wallets from which to extract more and more
> money - but they deal only reluctantly with our support issues (you have to
> be *very* persistent) and (almost) never fix the actual problem. (How many
> of you have searched the web for an "Adobe solution" and come across a
> bunch of forums with reams of the same complaint as yours, and the
> complaints date back 5, 7, 12 or more years?)
> 
> I've also had the "unhelpful and/or hours-on-hold support" issue with other
> products (Creative Suite, anyone?) and don't get me started on the dog poo
> they call "Adobe Digital Editions", which they refuse to fix and also refuse 
> to
> support. Yes, I know ADE is free, but do it right or don't do it at all.
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+acraig=greenlightinnovation@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 11:47 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> 
> Well, I had Frame 7 for ages and ages, and used to see all the stories on
> forums, so never moved till we got Windows 10 and then went straight to
> frame 2015, so did not encounter these issues.
> 
> Now I am in a place which is not using Frame
> 
> Caroline Tabach
> 
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021, 23:17 ,  wrote:
> 
> > Yea, pretty much. . . I figured after the installation fiascos that
> > started with the first attempt at the Technical Communication Suite
> > (TCS,
> > 2009 - remember that!), Adobe had to catch on fast about this issue,
> > but apparently that has not been the case. . . it was horrible then
> > and has stayed just as horrible now. . . at the time, I remember that
> > I referred to TCS as "Totally Cr*ppy Software.)
> >
> > I was an early adopter, and learned fast NOT to be in the case of Adobe. .
> > . that hosed my system so badly that I had to basically take it down
> > to bare metal and set everything up from scratch again and I was not
> > the only one who suffered such a fate. . .
> >
> > Tammy Van Boening
> > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com__;!!Oq50
> > -tQ!4YeNP0FWmIjoppPuC6df0zc9rQPfVoaiTMJ-jXcUS-
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> > GTOUFa$
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers  > > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > > Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 1:34 PM
> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> > >
> > > Egad, Tammy! Are you saying, "At least it hasn't gotten worse?" :)
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:23 PM 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just remember a conversation that I had with Dov many years ago
> > > > when I was still attending conferences and even back then, I was
> > > > lamenting about all that Adobe could do so wrong when it came to
> > > > installing/reinstalling/uninstalling and Dov's comment to me was
> > > > that a gentleman at the sister conference had commented to Dov
> > > > "When in the H*LL is Adobe going to stop screwing up my systems!!!"
> > > >
> > > > Even after 20+ years of this, nothing has apparently changed and
> > > > that is sad.
> > > >
> > > > TVB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tammy Van Boening
> > > > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> > > >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com__;!!
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> > > >
> > > >
> >

Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe

[tammyvb]

So, I just got pegged offlist by a shall remain anonymous list person who 
stated that it "couldn't really have been that bad." OK, longtime users should 
also remember this:

1.) When Adobe followed the Mayan/Aztec end of civilization timeline as we knew 
it and had FM10 just lost its little registration mind on the first day of the 
New Year. . . and no one and no one could open FM10. Do you also remember 
Adobe's much less than helpful first response to this crisis was to "force set 
your computer back to an earlier date and time?" Yea. . . really helpful. . . 
not.
2.) When upgrading from Acrobat Pro IX to X and after installing X, Adobe did 
not recognize the license number of the previously installed IX, and you had to 
go through the hell of getting a challenge code to install XI and sometimes, 
getting that magical code took up to an hour while you set on hold w/ Adobe?

And the beat goes on. . . 

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 2:18 PM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> 
> Yea, pretty much. . . I figured after the installation fiascos that started 
> with
> the first attempt at the Technical Communication Suite (TCS, 2009 -
> remember that!), Adobe had to catch on fast about this issue, but apparently
> that has not been the case. . . it was horrible then and has stayed just as
> horrible now. . . at the time, I remember that I referred to TCS as "Totally
> Cr*ppy Software.)
> 
> I was an early adopter, and learned fast NOT to be in the case of Adobe. . .
> that hosed my system so badly that I had to basically take it down to bare
> metal and set everything up from scratch again and I was not the only one
> who suffered such a fate. . .
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers  > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 1:34 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> >
> > Egad, Tammy! Are you saying, "At least it hasn't gotten worse?" :)
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:23 PM 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I just remember a conversation that I had with Dov many years ago
> > > when I was still attending conferences and even back then, I was
> > > lamenting about all that Adobe could do so wrong when it came to
> > > installing/reinstalling/uninstalling and Dov's comment to me was
> > > that a gentleman at the sister conference had commented to Dov "When
> > > in the H*LL is Adobe going to stop screwing up my systems!!!"
> > >
> > > Even after 20+ years of this, nothing has apparently changed and
> > > that is sad.
> > >
> > > TVB
> > >
> > >
> > > Tammy Van Boening
> > > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Framers  > > > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > > > Behalf Of A Craig
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:06 PM
> > > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software.
> > > > 
> > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us
> > > > Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wholeheartedly agree — except, sadly, I'm not semi-retired.
> > > >
> > > > Alison
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> > > > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software."
> > > > 
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 October, 2021 15:55:26
> > > > Subject: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > > > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> > > >
> > > > Because every single solitary time that I

Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe

[tammyvb]

Yea, pretty much. . . I figured after the installation fiascos that started 
with the first attempt at the Technical Communication Suite (TCS, 2009 - 
remember that!), Adobe had to catch on fast about this issue, but apparently 
that has not been the case. . . it was horrible then and has stayed just as 
horrible now. . . at the time, I remember that I referred to TCS as "Totally 
Cr*ppy Software.)

I was an early adopter, and learned fast NOT to be in the case of Adobe. . . 
that hosed my system so badly that I had to basically take it down to bare 
metal and set everything up from scratch again and I was not the only one who 
suffered such a fate. . . 

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 1:34 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> 
> Egad, Tammy! Are you saying, "At least it hasn't gotten worse?" :)
> 
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:23 PM 
> wrote:
> 
> > I just remember a conversation that I had with Dov many years ago when
> > I was still attending conferences and even back then, I was lamenting
> > about all that Adobe could do so wrong when it came to
> > installing/reinstalling/uninstalling and Dov's comment to me was that
> > a gentleman at the sister conference had commented to Dov "When in the
> > H*LL is Adobe going to stop screwing up my systems!!!"
> >
> > Even after 20+ years of this, nothing has apparently changed and that
> > is sad.
> >
> > TVB
> >
> >
> > Tammy Van Boening
> > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> > www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers  > > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > > Behalf Of A Craig
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:06 PM
> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software.
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> > >
> > >
> > > I wholeheartedly agree — except, sadly, I'm not semi-retired.
> > >
> > > Alison
> > >
> > >
> > > From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> > > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software."
> > > 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 October, 2021 15:55:26
> > > Subject: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> > >
> > > Because every single solitary time that I have to
> > > uninstall/reinstall an
> > Adobe
> > > app., I hold my breath to see what kind of friggin' rabbit hole
> > > Adobe
> > takes me
> > > down and yep, it pulled a doozy on me this week, and thanks to
> > > Adobe, I
> > lost
> > > a good 2 hours' worth of work to get my system back up to 'snuff.
> > >
> > > I can give details if interested, but I just wanted to chime in to
> > > the
> > thread
> > > from a few weeks ago, where someone stated that they feel that Adobe
> > > hates their customers. . . well, yea, I understand that feeling. I
> > > LOVE
> > Adobe
> > > products. . . I HATE installing/uninstalling them and I hate that
> > > Adobe apparently does absolutely NO regression/system testing on
> > > their stuff when it comes to this.
> > >
> > > Count me in as another very dissatisfied and p*ssed off Adobe
> > > customer who is grateful to be semi-retired and not having to deal
> > > w/ this cr*p
> > for
> > > much longer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tammy Van Boening
> > > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com _
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe

[tammyvb]

I just remember a conversation that I had with Dov many years ago when I was 
still attending conferences and even back then, I was lamenting about all that 
Adobe could do so wrong when it came to installing/reinstalling/uninstalling 
and Dov's comment to me was that a gentleman at the sister conference had 
commented to Dov "When in the H*LL is Adobe going to stop screwing up my 
systems!!!"

Even after 20+ years of this, nothing has apparently changed and that is sad.

TVB


Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com



> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of A Craig
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:06 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> 
> 
> I wholeheartedly agree — except, sadly, I'm not semi-retired.
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
> From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software."
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 October, 2021 15:55:26
> Subject: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users
> "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> 
> Because every single solitary time that I have to uninstall/reinstall an Adobe
> app., I hold my breath to see what kind of friggin' rabbit hole Adobe takes me
> down and yep, it pulled a doozy on me this week, and thanks to Adobe, I lost
> a good 2 hours' worth of work to get my system back up to 'snuff.
> 
> I can give details if interested, but I just wanted to chime in to the thread
> from a few weeks ago, where someone stated that they feel that Adobe
> hates their customers. . . well, yea, I understand that feeling. I LOVE Adobe
> products. . . I HATE installing/uninstalling them and I hate that Adobe
> apparently does absolutely NO regression/system testing on their stuff
> when it comes to this.
> 
> Count me in as another very dissatisfied and p*ssed off Adobe customer
> who is grateful to be semi-retired and not having to deal w/ this cr*p for
> much longer.
> 
> 
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com _
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[Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe

[tammyvb]

Because every single solitary time that I have to uninstall/reinstall an
Adobe app., I hold my breath to see what kind of friggin' rabbit hole Adobe
takes me down and yep, it pulled a doozy on me this week, and thanks to
Adobe, I lost a good 2 hours' worth of work to get my system back up to
'snuff. 

 

I can give details if interested, but I just wanted to chime in to the
thread from a few weeks ago, where someone stated that they feel that Adobe
hates their customers. . . well, yea, I understand that feeling. I LOVE
Adobe products. . . I HATE installing/uninstalling them and I hate that
Adobe apparently does absolutely NO regression/system testing on their stuff
when it comes to this.

 

Count me in as another very dissatisfied and p*ssed off Adobe customer who
is grateful to be semi-retired and not having to deal w/ this cr*p for much
longer.

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 


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Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility?

[tammyvb]

Oh Lin,

I wish that I could put the support folks at GoDaddy in front of you as well
. . . I just got done ripping them a new one myself, but there's power in
numbers!

And for those folks who are interested. . . there was an article in
yesterday's Wall Street Journal and it specifically addressed a review of
Windoze 11 . .  basically, the major conclusions were:

1.) MS put out 11 to appease its hardware partners and force the buying of
more hardware for folks who want to upgrade. Evidently, hardware took a
MAJOR hit for Windows 10 because everything that ran on 7 could for the most
part run w/out issues on 10, so why upgrade?
2.) and do NOT upgrade if at all possible - hang on as long as you can to
what you have as MS will support Win 10 through 2025!!!

If anyone wants to read the article, I can send a copy to you. I don't think
there's a way that I can post it to the list anywhere for everyone to read
at his/her own leisure, but correct me if I am wrong.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Principal/Owner
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
303-840-1755

> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 12:45 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility?
> 
> The OS keeps changing my default printer on me behind my back. I don't let
> Windows manage my printers. I even edited the registry to ensure this.
> 
> But every few days, the damn thing moves default from Adobe Printer to
> something else. No one can figure out why or how to make it stop, and if
the
> developers of this little piece of insanity were in front of me, I'd rip
'em a
> new one.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 2:37 PM A Craig  wrote:
> 
> >
> > We bought our new computers just before the Win 11 specs came out, and
> > despite being excellent computers, they don't have the required
> > built-in security "stuff" to qualify for Win 11. Maybe we'll see some
> > firmware updates to help us along. I'd even pay a small fee for that
> > (less than $50).
> >
> > And I agree that MS needs to stop telling me how I want to use my
> > computer, because most of the time they are wrong .
> >
> > Alison
> >
> >
> > From: "Lin Sims" 
> > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software." <
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, 5 October, 2021 11:25:39
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility?
> >
> > Good thing, too. They've locked the taskbar to the bottom of the
> > screen with no option to move it, which makes me very annoyed as I
> > like it on the right. I have no plans to upgrade until they either put
> > it back or someone comes up with an app to reorganize the screen the way
> _I_ want it to be.
> >
> > I know my processor has TPM, but it's a slightly older Intel (i7
> > something or other). Right now Microspend is saying that you need at
> > least an i8, but I have hopes this just means they haven't tested it
> > on an i7 and that will still work. I only bought this machine 3 years
> > ago, and I plan for it to last me for at least another 3. More if I'm
> > lucky.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 2:16 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hmmm ... apparently because Microsoft wants to "add better security".
> > Thus
> > > the need for the TPM (available in Intel cpu's from the past ten+
> > years).
> > >
> > > The other requirements of speed, ram, disk space, etc., don't see
> > > _that_ steep to me. Our IT guy says that everything we have (nearly
> > > 300 Windows systems - some are 8+ years old) meets the new
> > > requirements _if_ we
> > chose
> > > to upgrade them to Windows 11.
> > >
> > > Even my older Mac (also running Parallels for Windows 10) from 2012
> > > will work - Parallels says that the TPM requirement will be met with
> > > a
> > virtual
> > > implementation, since the Mac does not provide access to the TPM -
> > > they have their own security chip.
> > >
> > > FWIW, Windows 10 will be supported through 2025, so no absolute
> > > "have to upgrade" the OS for a while.
> > >
> > > Z
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers  > aeris@lists.frameusers.com>
> > > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 1:59 PM
> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker softw

Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question

[tammyvb]

Jeff and Dan,

 

I totally agree w/ both of you. The closest that I have ever seen to this is
a citation w/in a citation such as: 

 

In-text reference: 

 

(Original author last name, Year of original work, as cited in Author last
name of work where quote found, Year)

Miller (1953, as cited in Agrios, 2005) found .

. as was found (Miller, 1953, as cited in Agrios, 2005).

 

Reference list (only the citing article defined):

 

Agrios, G.N. (2005). Plant pathology (5th ed.). Elsevier Academic Press.

 

I just have to tread carefully on this about which battles to pick . . .
trying to get standardization on variables alone has been tricky such as
only a little f or a big F for fraction . . . and if I rip out the embedded
reference and reference only the citing article, (just as you indicated
Jeff, and that is exactly what I am doing now), I just wanted some type of
back up. My SMEs are very territorial about the their content in this, and
as much as I want to make this guide correct in every way (technically
accurate, grammar, syntax, etc.) I have to work hard to avoid "but we've
always done it this way, so leave it alone" push back. Sigh. . . .

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

> -Original Message-

> From: Framers  bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On

> Behalf Of Harding, Dan

> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 7:07 AM

> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

> 

> Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question

> 

> But why even reference the original article? Doesn't the
revised/republished

> article supplant the former entirely, so just cite it? I've not seen this
type of

> recursive citing before. Seems extraneous to me.

> 

> -Dan

> 

> 

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: Framers <
<mailto:framers-bounces+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com> framers-

 <mailto:framers-bounces+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com> >
bounces+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Jeff

> Coatsworth

> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:42 AM

> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

> < <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> framers@lists.frameusers.com>

> Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question

> 

> I've never seen an embedded reference in all my years in university. I
would

> have thought that the second one would have just quoted the title of the

> first one - e.g.

> 

> 

> Rodgers, T., Leahy, D., et al. (2007). "Rodgers T, Leahy D, Rowland M.
2005.

> Physiologically based pharmacokinetic modeling 1: Predicting the tissue

> distribution of moderate-to-strong bases." J Pharm Sci 94(6): 1259-76.

> 

> 

> and ditched the first location - IMHO, that's not part of the title of the
second

> article.

> 

> 

> 

> From: Framers <
<mailto:framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com>
framers-

 <mailto:framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com>
> bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf

> of  <mailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
< <mailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com>

> Sent: September 28, 2021 5:16 PM

> To:  <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> framers@lists.frameusers.com

> Subject: [Framers] OT: Reference question

> 

> OK, I know this is off-topic but because this list is filled with seasoned

> veterans of technical writing, I know I can get my answer here. I am
working

> on the references for a client document, and have to sort through the

> existing references that I was given and make sure it is accurate,
current,

> etc., and I came across a couple of instances of a reference within a

> reference such as:

> 

> 

> 

> Rodgers, T., Leahy, D., et al. (2005). "Physiologically based
pharmacokinetic

> modeling 1: predicting the tissue distribution of moderate-to-strong
bases." J

> Pharm Sci 94(6): 1259-76.

> 

> 

> 

> Rodgers, T., Leahy, D., et al. (2007). "Rodgers T, Leahy D, Rowland M.
2005.

> Physiologically based pharmacokinetic modeling 1: Predicting the tissue

> distribution of moderate-to-strong bases. J Pharm Sci 94:1259-1276." J
Pharm

> Sci 96(11): 3151-3152.

> 

> 

> 

> You can see that the first reference is embedded/cited in the second

> reference. This was not the way that I was taught a gazillion years ago to
cite

> an embedded reference. Basically, if the content of the embedded

> reference was standalone in a new reference, regardless of t

Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question

[tammyvb]

I have my message format set to HTML and I have the option of append each
line in the original message with a carrot (>) and I see that works for
other folks' messages. . . not sure what else I could different besides just
remove the original message. . . but then I have had folks complain that
they lose track of the message thread that way. I am open to any thoughts.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question

[tammyvb]

Better? Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers
bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On > Behalf Of
Craig Ede > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 9:14 AM > To: An email list
for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] OT:
Reference question > > Tammy, > > Is there some way you can turn off the
appending the earlier messages > when you reply. I expect you are probably
replying from a phone and it just > produces a long string where everything
is mashed up together making it > difficult to read your brief responses. >
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Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question

[tammyvb]

LOL! How I wish. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Tuesday, September
28, 2021 3:23 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker
software. Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question Just cite the
"Friends" episode and provide a link to it? :) On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 4:16 PM
wrote: > OK, I know this is off-topic but because this list is filled with >
seasoned veterans of technical writing, I know I can get my answer > here. I
am working on the references for a client document, and have > to sort
through the existing references that I was given and make sure > it is
accurate, current, etc., and I came across a couple of instances > of a
reference within a reference such as: > > > > Rodgers, T., Leahy, D., et al.
(2005). "Physiologically based > pharmacokinetic modeling 1: predicting the
tissue distribution of > moderate-to-strong bases." J Pharm Sci 94(6):
1259-76. > > > > Rodgers, T., Leahy, D., et al. (2007). "Rodgers T, Leahy D,
Rowland M. > 2005. > Physiologically based pharmacokinetic modeling 1:
Predicting the > tissue distribution of moderate-to-strong bases. J Pharm
Sci > 94:1259-1276." J Pharm Sci 96(11): 3151-3152. > > > > You can see that
the first reference is embedded/cited in the second > reference. This was
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reference. Basically, if the content of the > embedded reference was
standalone in a new reference, regardless of > the source, then the new
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[Framers] OT: Reference question

[tammyvb]

OK, I know this is off-topic but because this list is filled with seasoned
veterans of technical writing, I know I can get my answer here. I am working
on the references for a client document, and have to sort through the
existing references that I was given and make sure it is accurate, current,
etc., and I came across a couple of instances of a reference within a
reference such as:

 

Rodgers, T., Leahy, D., et al. (2005). "Physiologically based
pharmacokinetic modeling 1: predicting the tissue distribution of
moderate-to-strong bases." J Pharm Sci 94(6): 1259-76.

 

Rodgers, T., Leahy, D., et al. (2007). "Rodgers T, Leahy D, Rowland M. 2005.
Physiologically based pharmacokinetic modeling 1: Predicting the tissue
distribution of moderate-to-strong bases. J Pharm Sci 94:1259-1276." J Pharm
Sci 96(11): 3151-3152.

 

You can see that the first reference is embedded/cited in the second
reference. This was not the way that I was taught a gazillion years ago to
cite an embedded reference. Basically, if the content of the embedded
reference was standalone in a new reference, regardless of the source, then
the new reference was all that was cited, for example:

 

Rodgers, T., Leahy, D., et al. (2007). Physiologically based pharmacokinetic
modeling 1: Predicting the tissue distribution of moderate-to-strong bases.
J Pharm Sci 96(11): 3151-3152.

 

I looked at these papers and the content was standalone in the second
reference and it cited the first reference for the content, but because the
content was standalone in the second reference, I should cite only the
second reference where appropriate. (God, does that even make sense. . . I
am thinking of the Friends episode, "The One Where Everybody Finds Out," and
they don't know that we know that they know and Joey loses his mind.)

 

I just need some advice from some seasoned writers about how to handle this.

 

Thanks!

 

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Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal

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Yea, but I will wait and see. I had to get the proposal off by Friday, so 
without knowing whether this is solvable in a very short time, I was kinda’ 
stuck.

Thank you and good luck!

Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.

> On Sep 25, 2021, at 1:41 AM, Sue Thomson  wrote:
> 
> Thank you @Jeff Coates. Stefan Gentz and a member of the TCS support team 
> have been in touch. We are trying to set up a meeting between Adobe support 
> and our internal IT support.
> 
> @Lin Sims, It's good to know that it is possible for this to work. Maybe 
> there is light at the end of the tunnel. 
> 
> @TammyVB, Maybe it's worth checking with Adobe to see how to avoid getting 
> into this situation. If @Lin Sims' upgrade worked without problems, perhaps 
> you can still recommend the FrameMaker route to your client. 
> 
> 
> Sue T
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Coatsworth  
> Sent: 24 September 2021 15:07
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal
> 
> I've reached out to Stefan Gentz & he's forwarded Sue's info to the TCS team, 
> but because it's a world-wide Adobe day off, we shouldn't expect an response 
> from them until at least Monday.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Framers 
>  on 
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal
> 
> That is weird. I updated to FM16.03 when it came out, and I don't recall 
> being asked if it was a business or personal profile or any kind of profile 
> at all. I also have the full CC installed and have had no issues switching 
> back and forth.
> 
> On the other hand, both subscriptions are Teams, so maybe the people your IT 
> team talked to don't know what they're talking about. Did you contact 
> tcs...@adobe.com?
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 11:13 AM Sue Thomson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks
>> 
>> I use FrameMaker (as part of Technical Communication Suite), and a 
>> number of Creative Cloud apps (mainly Illustrator but I also use 
>> others
>> occasionally) all day. I usually run FrameMaker and Illustrator at the 
>> same time, switching between them tens of times during the day.
>> 
>> I recently updated FrameMaker from v16.0.2 to 16.0.3. When I restarted 
>> FrameMaker I was prompted to choose an Adobe Profile. The choice was 
>> Business or Personal. There was no way (that I could see) to progress 
>> without making a choice.
>> 
>> I had not heard of these profiles before so I looked at the guidance 
>> on the page and chose Business.
>> 
>> Oh, boy! How I wish I had not updated FrameMaker. These profiles are 
>> causing me no end of trouble.
>> 
>> Our IT department has been talking to Adobe, and IT tells me that 
>> Adobe says… TCS and FM are only available under Personal profile, 
>> Creative Cloud apps are only available under Business profile.
>> 
>> This means that now, every time I want to switch between two 
>> applications (which have been running perfectly happily, side-by-side, 
>> for years), I have to sign out of one profile and sign back in under the 
>> other profile.
>> The applications, of course, close each time I sign out. If I don’t 
>> change profiles, then either FrameMaker or Illustrator (depending upon 
>> how I am signed in) claims to be a trial version, with a countdown.
>> 
>> Oddly, if I right-click on an image in FrameMaker I still get the same 
>> old choices to edit the image – i.e. Illustrator and Photoshop are 
>> still on the list of options.
>> 
>> Has anyone else come across issues with these new profiles? Am I 
>> missing a trick somewhere?
>> 
>> I’ve been using FrameMaker, on-and-off, since v7.2 but this change is 
>> making me re-evaluate my tools. I’m seriously wondering if it is time 
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Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal

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Peter Gold says: "On the surface, it seems that it wasn't sufficiently
user-tested before it was implemented" And I say (IMHO): - Adobe SOP! TVB
Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers On
Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 3:24 PM To: An email
list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] New
Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal Has anyone posted this to an Adobe bug
list and brought it up with tech/customer support? Even if this is "as
designed" it's a buggy design decision that needs to be revisited and
remedied. On the surface, it seems that it wasn't sufficiently user-tested
before it was implemented. On Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 3:40 PM wrote: > Well, this
was a nail in the coffin for me so to speak . .. not > directly for me but
for one of my clients when recommending the proper > tools to use for a
specific product line of theirs. They too would > need to use Framemaker and
Photoshop and/or Illustrator side by side > and this would absolutely be a
no go for them. Bluntly, how could have > Adobe made such a blunder? It
reeks of amateur hour. So, I just > finished the project proposal that
recommended another set of tools in > their place. I dunno' if they will go
for it, but here's me hoping, > because there were DEFINITE advantages to
the Framemaker approach that > cannot be easily fulfilled w/ the other tool
that I had to recommend > and Adobe loses yet another subscription customer
and the > corresponding revenue. I am glad that I am semi-retired and can
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Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal

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Well, this was a nail in the coffin for me so to speak . .. not directly for
me but for one of my clients when recommending the proper tools to use for a
specific product line of theirs. They too would need to use Framemaker and
Photoshop and/or Illustrator side by side and this would absolutely be a no
go for them. Bluntly, how could have Adobe made such a blunder? It reeks of
amateur hour. So, I just finished the project proposal that recommended
another set of tools in their place. I dunno' if they will go for it, but
here's me hoping, because there were DEFINITE advantages to the Framemaker
approach that cannot be easily fulfilled w/ the other tool that I had to
recommend and Adobe loses yet another subscription customer and the
corresponding revenue. I am glad that I am semi-retired and can stop dealing
w/ these kinda issues soon. TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
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Re: [Framers] Importing table formats into chapters in a book

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I miffed all my files, and saved and then opened and resaved as FM, and then
closed and restarted FM and did the import and voila - I kid you not, , ,
success. I am not gonna' even try to understand this one at this point, but
yea, I have had these chapters and this book open for a VERY long time w/out
closing and restarting FM, so . . . Whatever it takes. Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers On
Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 4:36 PM To: An email
list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers]
Importing table formats into chapters in a book Umm... Save and close all
files, close and restart FM, maybe? On Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 5:26 PM wrote: >
In Chapter 1 in my book, I have established the 8 different table > formats
that I need to properly document all the content in the book. > I have every
paragraph tag set up that I need, every graphic on my > reference page,
every table format defined by name, etc. and I have > confirmed ad nauseum
that when I click on a location on a page where I > want a table to be
inserted, and then click Table > Insert Table and > then select the Table
Format that I want and click Insert, I get the > expected table in Chapter
1. > > > > So, I then did the following: selected all the chapters in the
book > that which I want to import the tables (I did not select Chapter 1),
> and then using Rick's awesome Import Formats Special tool, I select >
Paragraph Formats, Reference Pages, and Table Formats and click > Import,
and select Chapter 1 as the Import From File option but.. . . > no matter
how many times I do this, I cannot get my table formats to > be imported
properly. In a chapter into which I have supposedly > imported these table
formats, I click Table > Insert Table and then > select the Table Format
that I want insert and all I get is Frame's > generic table (a Format A or
Format B) no matter what table format I > have selected. I have confirmed
that the necessary paragraph tags and > reference pages have been imported
into all the chapters, and the yes, > the table names are showing up in the
Insert Table dialog box, but for > the life of me, I can't get them to be
inserted as expected. > > > > I give. . . . I have way too many chapters to
manually set up these 8 > different formats individually (and yea, I know
how to do that, but it > shouldn't be necessary). . . what am I doing wrong?
What step am I missing? > > > > TIA, > > > > TVB > > > > Tammy Van Boening >
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[Framers] Importing table formats into chapters in a book

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In Chapter 1 in my book, I have established the 8 different table formats
that I need to properly document all the content in the book. I have every
paragraph tag set up that I need, every graphic on my reference page, every
table format defined by name, etc. and I have confirmed ad nauseum that when
I click on a location on a page where I want a table to be inserted, and
then click Table > Insert Table and then select the Table Format that I want
and click Insert, I get the expected table in Chapter 1. 

 

So, I  then did the following: selected all the chapters in the book that
which I want to import the tables (I did not select Chapter 1), and then
using Rick's awesome Import Formats Special tool, I select Paragraph
Formats, Reference Pages, and Table Formats and click Import, and select
Chapter 1 as the Import From File option but.. . . no matter how many times
I do this, I cannot get my table formats to be imported properly. In a
chapter into which I have supposedly imported these table formats, I click
Table > Insert Table and then select the Table Format that I want insert and
all I get is Frame's generic table (a Format A or Format B) no matter what
table format I have selected. I have confirmed that the necessary paragraph
tags and reference pages have been imported into all the chapters, and the
yes, the table names are showing up in the Insert Table dialog box, but for
the life of me, I can't get them to be inserted as expected.

 

I give. . . . I have way too many chapters to manually set up these 8
different formats individually (and yea, I know how to do that, but it
shouldn't be necessary). . . what am I doing wrong? What step am I missing?

 

TIA,

 

TVB

 

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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF [No Classification]

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Hey Rick, Did this ever go anywhere w/ you at all? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van
Boening Principal/Owner Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com
303-840-1755 -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of
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Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF [No Classification] Please send
me one of your Word documents offlist. Thanks.
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Re: [Framers] Finding an x-ref with one of two formats

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Sigh, never mind. I figured it out . . . it's been a very long, very
stressful weak and at the end of the day on a Friday, I am not thinking
clearly. Thanks! TVB (who is feeling old and feeble today) Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers On
Behalf Of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 2:15
PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Finding an x-ref with
one of two formats Hello, I have an x-ref format named Reference and one
named Reference, (note the comma at the end). There is a viable reason for
having these two different formats. I need to be able to search for these
formats at the same time. Is there a way to indicate this in the Find dialog
box? Right now, I obviously can search for one or the other based on the
Cross-Reference: Of Format option, but I need to be able to search for both
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[Framers] Finding an x-ref with one of two formats

[tammyvb]

Hello,

 

I have an x-ref format named Reference and one named Reference, (note the
comma at the end). There is a viable reason for having these two different
formats. I need to be able to search for these formats at the same time. Is
there a way to indicate this in the Find dialog box? Right now, I obviously
can search for one or the other based on the Cross-Reference: Of Format
option, but I need to be able to search for both at the same time.

 

TIA and TGIF!

 

TVB

 

 

 

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Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

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Text options allow you to adjust the location of subscripts and superscripts 
and you can apply globally across all files in a book 

Sent from my iPhone. Pardon the typos.

> On Aug 11, 2021, at 6:03 PM, A Craig  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a few superscript and a lot of subscript markings in my book. 
> 
> The markings are especially annoying, particularly in tables, as they don't 
> leave enough space above the superscript so the table line above it so it 
> looks crammed into the space. And Frame rearranges the leading for both so 
> there's too much space between the lines - it almost looks like I have 1-1/2 
> line spacing. 
> 
> I'd like to make the super and subscript markings a little lower and higher, 
> respectively, so they are noticeable, but don't muck with table spacing or 
> leading. 
> 
> Is there any place in Frame to control these options? 
> 
> Alison 
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Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

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No, it is not possible to buy from Adobe. There are resellers from whom you can 
buy a standalone FM2019 license.

TVB

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> My understanding is that it is still possible to buy a permanent license for 
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF [No Classification]

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Hey Rick, Holy cr*p. That would be awesome. Let me know if you have time to
talk. This would so be worth scripting (the extraction part). TVB Tammy Van
Boening Principal/Owner Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com
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Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF [No Classification] That might
be worth exploring. I did find a word add-on that converts all equations to
images. If the image quality can be controlled on export from Word, this may
be the way to go. Or, this may work: 1) Convert equations to images. 2)
Convert Word to PDF. 3) Extract images from the PDF. -Original
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manipulate graphics from Word have you tried inserting the equation into a
graphic frame so that Word thinks it is a graphic? Thanks Richard Mitchell
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Re: [Framers] Is this your final answer to equations?

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Hi Lin, LOL . . . yep, you got that right. But, it works and at this point, I 
will take what I can get. Thank you so much again. I really can't express how 
much all the replies helped. At least it confirmed that I wasn't completely off 
my rocker about this issue. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at 
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original 
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Monday, August 9, 2021 
11:35 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: 
Re: [Framers] Is this your final answer to equations? Sorry for the no doubt 
massive tedium you're experiencing now.  I had a thought that maybe converting 
the Word file to XML (via the ZIP option) and opening the XML in Structured 
Frame might work, but it doesn't. The XML file needs some sort of schema or 
something like that and, of course, it doesn't have one. Poop. So much for that 
idea. On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 12:41 PM wrote: > So, > > > > Remember that game 
show "The weakest link?" Well, that's what keeps > going through my head as I 
ask myself "Is this your final answer?" > > > > First, I truly and sincerely 
appreciate everyone's input and advice to > this issue. It helped to me to feel 
not so alone in my quest. Second, > I will summarize at a very high level the 
results of investigating all > that I investigated and what I ultimately had to 
do. > > > > 1. For Export to PDF - There are no special settings that I could 
find > anywhere that would help me get the equations recognized as images > 
when exporting to PDF. The equations remained recognized as text. > 2. For 
Export to PDF/XPS - There was a single setting that I could try > (Optimize for 
Image Quality), but again, the equations were not being > recognized as images. 
Only text. > 3. For Save As HTM/HTML - I tried Lin's recommendations (Save > > 
Advanced, and Web Options) at a size of Cambria Math 14 point, many > 
subscripts, especially those with a descender such as a "j" were still > being 
cut off. A "j" actually looked like an "i," for example. > 4. For Save as 
HTM/HTML - I incorporated Lin's recommendations along > with Sue's to increase 
the font size (this was also found as a > work-around when googling this issue 
until my fingers bled) and voila, > it helped with the cutting off of the 
descenders in a subscript, but > introduced another issue. Although in the Word 
document an equation > remained on a single line at the increased font size, 
when extracted > as PNGs, these equations were now turned into multi-line 
equations at > arbitrary points so the equation was not pleasing or easy to 
read or > consistent in layout. Operators were left randomly on their own 
lines, > some lines had only two equation variables, others had three, etc. > > 
> > I have just punted at this point. I have worked off-book way too many > 
hours to try and resolve this issue further. I am going w/ the PDF > solution 
of saving the Word file to a PDF, and then cropping each > equation to the size 
that I need and importing the PDF into the FM > document. As vector images, 
scaling the PDF to view is not an issue > and I can now at least save the 
equations to a single folder with each > equation image having a unique name 
and I can import each equation > into the multiple documents as I need. If I 
need to make a change to > an equation, I can make a change in the original 
Word doc., save as a > PDF with the appropriate name and voila, all the 
documents that have > this equation imported will be updated en masse and the 
information > won't get out of sync across multiple documents. The only thing 
that > I will simplify going forward is to have each equation in its on Word > 
file so that I can deal w/ one PDF at a time and not have to take an > extra 
step to crop each equation individually out of the PDF file. > > > > Again, I 
sincerely and truly appreciate all the effort, thoughts, and > advice that was 
supplied. This list just rocks w/ incredibly talented > and knowledgeable folks 
that always go the extra mile. I hope to be > able to pay it forward someday. > 
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[Framers] Is this your final answer to equations?

[tammyvb]

So,

 

Remember that game show "The weakest link?" Well, that's what keeps going
through my head as I ask myself "Is this your final answer?"

 

First, I truly and sincerely appreciate everyone's input and advice to this
issue. It helped to me to feel not so alone in my quest. Second, I will
summarize at a very high level the results of investigating all that I
investigated and what I ultimately had to do.

 

1.  For Export to PDF - There are no special settings that I could find
anywhere that would help me get the equations recognized as images when
exporting to PDF. The equations remained recognized as text.
2.  For Export to PDF/XPS - There was a single setting that I could try
(Optimize for Image Quality), but again, the equations were not being
recognized as images. Only text.
3.  For Save As HTM/HTML - I tried Lin's recommendations (Save >
Advanced, and Web Options) at a size of Cambria Math 14 point, many
subscripts, especially those with a descender such as a "j" were still being
cut off. A "j" actually looked like an "i," for example. 
4.  For Save as HTM/HTML - I incorporated Lin's recommendations along
with Sue's to increase the font size (this was also found as a work-around
when googling this issue until my fingers bled) and voila, it helped with
the cutting off of the descenders in a subscript, but introduced another
issue. Although in the Word document an equation remained on a single line
at the increased font size, when extracted as PNGs, these equations were now
turned into multi-line equations at arbitrary points so the equation was not
pleasing or easy to read or consistent in layout. Operators were left
randomly on their own lines, some lines had only two equation variables,
others had three, etc.  

 

I have just punted at this point. I have worked off-book way too many hours
to try and resolve this issue further. I am going w/ the PDF solution of
saving the Word file to a PDF, and then cropping each equation to the size
that I need and importing the PDF into the FM document. As vector images,
scaling the PDF to view is not an issue and I can now at least save the
equations to a single folder with each equation image having a unique name
and I can import each equation into the multiple documents as I need. If I
need to make a change to an equation, I can make a change in the original
Word doc., save as a PDF with the appropriate name and voila, all the
documents that have this equation imported will be updated en masse and the
information won't get out of sync across multiple documents.  The only thing
that I will simplify going forward is to have each equation in its on Word
file so that I can deal w/ one PDF at a time and not have to take an extra
step to crop each equation individually out of the PDF file.

 

Again, I sincerely and truly appreciate all the effort, thoughts, and advice
that was supplied. This list just rocks w/ incredibly talented and
knowledgeable folks that always go the extra mile. I hope to be able to pay
it forward someday.

 

Happy Monday

 

TVB

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

[tammyvb spectrumwritingllc . com]

Yea. It was one of the first things that Rick had me try

we saved the word document to a PDF and opened it up and the equations aren’t 
being recognized as an image they’re being recognized as text.

I appreciate all the thoughts and input it really does help maybe we will 
eventually stumble on some thing though

Sent from my iPhone. Pardon the typos.

> On Aug 6, 2021, at 10:37 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> 
> I think I mentioned it, earlier, but I no longer recall if Tammy tried it
> or not.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:20 PM Peter Gold 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ummm... I thought about going outside the box and searched the web for
>> extracting images from PDF. One of the interesting results suggested using
>> Export all images from within Acrobat. Of course, one needs to start by
>> saving or exporting the Word source document to PDF. I don't have a running
>> version of FM to import an exported TIFF, JPG, or PNG and evaluate the
>> result. Could be worth a try. IIRC, this isn't one of the methods you've
>> mentioned.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

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So, here's the low down: 1.) For the Word doc that contains the equations: >
In Word, under File / Options / Advanced / Image Size and Quality, I
selected "Do Not Compress Images in File" and changed the default output to
High fidelity. 2.) I then saved the doc as an htm/html file and followed the
instructions: In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures,
choose a screen size in higher quality such as 1920 x 1200 and set pixels
per inch to 120 ppi. 3.) After the file was saved and the PNGs extracted, I
selected a couple of equations and imported them into my FM document, but .
. . for some of these equations, 120 ppi made them incredibly small (some
equations are very simple and small is not so good, and some are very
complicated and small is good. They run the gamut), but I went ahead and
left them as-is. 4.) I made sure to use the High Quality Print job option
that I had modified ONLY to embed selected fonts (I did not change any of
the other options). 5.) I printed the file to .ps in a watched folder, which
was then distilled to a PDF. Looking at the file: Definitely much more clear
than w/out selecting all these options, but if the equation contained
subscripts or superscripts that had descenders (for example, the word
"drainage" w/ "g" having a descender), then that part of the font was blurry
or cut off altogether. The same thing happened when saving straight to HTML
w/out all these options and I figured the lack of resolution of the images
was the culprit. I was hoping that by selecting these options that this
issue would be alleviated, but alas, it does not appear to be the case. It's
obviously something about how Word saves equations to PNGs that I have
absolutely NO control over - it doesn't neatly save the descenders for any
superscript or subscript at all. With the vector image, that is not an
issue. And for grins and giggles, I downloaded a trial of MathType and
created a simple equation with a subscript that had a descender and saved
the file as an .gif, and the same problem occurred - not as blatant, albeit,
but still there. So, I guess the moral of this story is equations do not
like to be converted to a rasterized image and pounding them into submission
via the vector approach that I described gives me the clarity that I need in
my final PDF output. This list still rocks and I couldn't survive without
it. Y'all don't know how much I appreciate you and being able to be a member
of this community. TGIF!!! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6,
2021 2:19 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF I did a
quick trial run. For whatever reason, converting to html provided TWO PNG
files, one that had a good quality and one that was just miserable. The good
quality one is still raster, not vector, but it looked pretty good up to
about 400% or so. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 4:16 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Lin
harnessed the Force using Yoda-wisdom: "The sound of the right > answer
comes from asking the right question! " > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 3:08 PM Lin
Sims wrote: > > > I think I found the answer for how to get the PNG files to
a higher > > quality: > > > > > > - > > > > In Word, under File / Options /
Advanced / Image Size and > > Quality, > check > > "Do Not Compress Images
in File" and change the default output to High > > fidelity. > > - > > > >
In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures, choose a > >
screen size in higher quality such as 1920x1200 and set pixels > > per >
inch > > to > > 120 ppi. > > > > > > This is from: > > > > >
https://superuser.com/questions/1282555/saving-word-file-as-html-decre >
ases-quality-of-equations > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:46 PM wrote: > >
> > > Here is a summary of the issue: > > > > > > Equations originate from
the client in MS Word. > > > > > > Tammy wants to save the equations as
images for import into FrameMaker. > > > > > > The fastest way to do this is
to save the Word file as HTML > > > because it rasterizes the equations as
PNG files for inclusion in > > > the HTML. The problem is that the
resolution of these rasterized > > > PNG files is 96 dpi, which > is > > >
suitable for the web, but not for print. We can't see a way to > > >
increase > > the > > > resolution in the Word rasterization process. > > > >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

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Hi Lin, Yep, I noticed that as well - I would get two images, one miserable
and one good and I had no idea as to why. I will try this and let you know
ASAP. OMG - thank you! Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6,
2021 2:19 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF I did a
quick trial run. For whatever reason, converting to html provided TWO PNG
files, one that had a good quality and one that was just miserable. The good
quality one is still raster, not vector, but it looked pretty good up to
about 400% or so. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 4:16 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Lin
harnessed the Force using Yoda-wisdom: "The sound of the right > answer
comes from asking the right question! " > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 3:08 PM Lin
Sims wrote: > > > I think I found the answer for how to get the PNG files to
a higher > > quality: > > > > > > - > > > > In Word, under File / Options /
Advanced / Image Size and > > Quality, > check > > "Do Not Compress Images
in File" and change the default output to High > > fidelity. > > - > > > >
In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures, choose a > >
screen size in higher quality such as 1920x1200 and set pixels > > per >
inch > > to > > 120 ppi. > > > > > > This is from: > > > > >
https://superuser.com/questions/1282555/saving-word-file-as-html-decre >
ases-quality-of-equations > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:46 PM wrote: > >
> > > Here is a summary of the issue: > > > > > > Equations originate from
the client in MS Word. > > > > > > Tammy wants to save the equations as
images for import into FrameMaker. > > > > > > The fastest way to do this is
to save the Word file as HTML > > > because it rasterizes the equations as
PNG files for inclusion in > > > the HTML. The problem is that the
resolution of these rasterized > > > PNG files is 96 dpi, which > is > > >
suitable for the web, but not for print. We can't see a way to > > >
increase > > the > > > resolution in the Word rasterization process. > > > >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

[tammyvb]

Hi Lin,

That is a brilliant idea. Let me forward this on to Rick.

See, I knew this list would think of something to try!

Thank you!

TVB


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

What I was thinking was import the one RTF file into FrameMaker, then save
the graphics out since once it's in Frame it's a PNG. Someone like Rick
Quatro or Russ Ward or Bernard Aschwanden probably has a script that does
that already, or can write one for not too much money.

Although from the point of wanting a vector graphic, Rick's workaround is
obviously a better solution and probably about equally tedious. :)

You can join the Word-PD list here:
word-pc-subscribe-requ...@liverpool.ac.uk

You don't have to put anything in the subject or message body.

Good luck. I'm sorry we haven't been able to come up with anything beyond a
really, really manual solution so far.


On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 1:55 PM  wrote:

> Hi Lin, No worries about your instructions. I am still kinda' in the 
> same boat in that the equations are all in one great big file, so I 
> would have to make multiple files to import as RTF. Where can I find 
> this Word-PC list?
> Do
> you have a website/link at all? And thank you so much! TVB Tammy Van 
> Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com 
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers On 
> Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 11:49 AM To: An email 
> list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: 
> [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF As another 
> thought, you might try posting to the Word-PC email list and see if 
> anyone has a suggestion for how to get the equations OUT of Word in a 
> format you can use? On Fri, Aug 6,
> 2021 at 1:45 PM Lin Sims wrote: > I saved to RTF and then imported the 
> RTF into FrameMaker. The result > in FrameMaker was a PNG. > > I'm 
> sorry, I think I didn't make that clear before. :( > > On Fri, Aug 6, 
> 2021 at 12:29 PM wrote: > >> Hi Lin, OK, just saved one of the 
> equation docs to RTF and nada, zip, >> zilch. >> . . the equations 
> were not converted to PNGs. They remained as equations. >> It's just a
simple save to RTF, right? GRR . . .
> Tammy Van Boening >> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot 
> com >> www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: 
> Framers >> On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: >> Friday, >> August 6, 2021 
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> software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in >> the 
> generated PDF Well, that sucks. If it's any help, when Word >> 
> converts to RTF, the equations are turned into PNGs. It should be >> 
> possible to save them out separately. I think. Never had to do
> >> something like that with Word. Also, you can export images only 
> >> from >>
> the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats. >> Again, don't 
> know if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something >> to consider. 
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank >> you for the 
> approach. The extra rub is that I need to > produce >> another 
> document that uses the exact same equations but w/out > all >> the 
> text of this current guide >> - basically, just an appendix of > 
> equations, so I need to be able to >> share them among multiple files. 
> I > was trying to write once in Word >> and save to PNG so that I 
> could > obviously import by reference into >> multiple documents and 
> have just > one location (the Word document) >> where I would maintain 
> updates. > Compliments of Ric, I have a >> variation of this w/ saving 
> the Word doc > to a PDF, cropping the >> document to get the equation 
> that I need as a > PDF and importing as >> a PDF. Yes, very tedious, 
> but at least I can > share among multiple >> files and as w/ your 
> approach, I now have vector > files for the >> images, not rasterized 
> files, so they remain crisp and > clear no >> matter the zoom level in 
> the PDF. (So you and Ric were on the > same >> page- great minds do 
> think alike!) I just wish there was a way to > >> automate this, but 
> for now, I will plow through unless someone comes >> > up w/ a 
> different approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy Van Boening >> > Tammy 
> dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > >> 
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Hi Lin, No worries about your instructions. I am still kinda' in the same
boat in that the equations are all in one great big file, so I would have to
make multiple files to import as RTF. Where can I find this Word-PC list? Do
you have a website/link at all? And thank you so much! TVB Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers On
Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 11:49 AM To: An email list
for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers]
Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF As another thought, you might
try posting to the Word-PC email list and see if anyone has a suggestion for
how to get the equations OUT of Word in a format you can use? On Fri, Aug 6,
2021 at 1:45 PM Lin Sims wrote: > I saved to RTF and then imported the RTF
into FrameMaker. The result > in FrameMaker was a PNG. > > I'm sorry, I
think I didn't make that clear before. :( > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 12:29
PM wrote: > >> Hi Lin, OK, just saved one of the equation docs to RTF and
nada, zip, >> zilch. >> . . the equations were not converted to PNGs. They
remained as equations. >> It's just a simple save to RTF, right? GRR . . .
Tammy Van Boening >> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com >>
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers >> On
Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: >> Friday, >> August 6, 2021 9:26 AM To: An email
list for people using Adobe >> FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers]
Appearance of graphics in >> the generated PDF Well, that sucks. If it's any
help, when Word >> converts to RTF, the equations are turned into PNGs. It
should be >> possible to save them out separately. I think. Never had to do
>> something like that with Word. Also, you can export images only from >>
the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats. >> Again, don't know
if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something >> to consider. On Fri,
Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank >> you for the approach. The
extra rub is that I need to > produce >> another document that uses the
exact same equations but w/out > all >> the text of this current guide >> -
basically, just an appendix of > equations, so I need to be able to >> share
them among multiple files. I > was trying to write once in Word >> and save
to PNG so that I could > obviously import by reference into >> multiple
documents and have just > one location (the Word document) >> where I would
maintain updates. > Compliments of Ric, I have a >> variation of this w/
saving the Word doc > to a PDF, cropping the >> document to get the equation
that I need as a > PDF and importing as >> a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at
least I can > share among multiple >> files and as w/ your approach, I now
have vector > files for the >> images, not rasterized files, so they remain
crisp and > clear no >> matter the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric
were on the > same >> page- great minds do think alike!) I just wish there
was a way to > >> automate this, but for now, I will plow through unless
someone comes >> > up w/ a different approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy
Van Boening >> > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > >>
www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims >>
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

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To address a lot of questions in one email: None of these are stupid questions, 
and I don't take any as such. I have to be cognizant of what my SME prefers and 
is comfortable with to maintain and edit the equations, but I need to use 
Framemaker because the manual is a massive technical manual that details all 
the scientific principles behind the equations and it is riddled with other 
graphics, x-references, etc and I need to share the equations with yet another 
manual. . . so that make FM the go to tool for final production. Yes, it's a 
bit of a sticky mess, but it's what I have to work with and I can push only so 
much. If my SME uses an open source editor such as MathType, it appears that I 
can save each equation as a GIF at 150 dpi. . . might be good enough, I am not 
sure but anyway, each equation would have to be its own file to accomplish this 
and that would add extra overhead for my SME. When you save the Word document 
to htm/html, then Windoze assumes (and rightfully so) that you're using the 
content for the Web, so the equations are saved out as PNGs at 96 dpi, which is 
fine for the web, but not for print, and upsampling obviously is not possible. 
So, even though I am importing each PNG, and then printing the book to .ps 
which I send to a watched folder, and then distilling in Distiller w/ custom 
job options, it doesn't make a difference. The PNGs are at 96 dpi and that's 
all I got to work with. I tried to save the Word docx as an .rtf as per Lin 
(because in Avdvanced Settings, you can specify the image resolution that you 
want for images in the Save As function), but the equations are not being saved 
as PNGs in this case as Lin indicated. . . I am sure that it's a 
version-dependent function and my version is Word 2016. I also tried the change 
the name to .zip and extract, but the equations are NOT being recognized as 
media objects w/ this approach so no media folder exists w/ the equations as 
PNGs. Why they are being recognized as such for htm/html conversion but not 
this way, I have no idea. For now, I have a workaround . . . I have saved the 
Word file to a PDF, and I then crop each equation out and save as a PDF and 
then I will import the equation as PDF. At least that way they are vector 
images and not rasterized, and zooming in and out in a PDF doesn't affect them. 
. .crisp and clean no matter the zoom level. But, I am open to any other 
thoughts besides calling it good for Friday and drowning myself in a pitcher of 
margaritas . . hey, it's 11:30 somewhere. TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot 
vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
-Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Friday, 
August 6, 2021 11:38 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker 
software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF 
Are there any options you or the SME author can set, which would affect the 
equation editor's HTML output? If so, are there any meaningful improvements? 
Any roads not yet taken? On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 12:04 PM Fred Ridder wrote: > I 
suspect the answer is that whoever is creating the equations does > not have 
(and does not want to have to pay for and learn how to use) a > FrameMaker 
license. > > But a perhaps less stupid question is whether it's possible and > 
practical to use a free-standing equation editor (e.g., MathType, > MathMagic) 
or a tool that is based on LaTeX (e.g. LyX)? The LaTeX > approach is kind of 
PITA because even the best tools are only WYSIWYM > (what you see is what you 
mean​), but most professinals consider the > end result to be the best quality 
available. > > -FR > >  > From: Framers > > on 
behalf of Lin Sims > Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 8:06 AM > To: An email list 
for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF > > Probably 
a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the > equations in 
Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor? > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM 
wrote: > > > I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations 
> > are being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation > > 
editor. The .docx file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all > > the 
equations in the document are automatically saved as .pngs in a > > separate 
folder named as image.(n), where n is the image number. I > > double-click an 
equation in > this > > folder to automatically open the equation in my image 
editor (SnagIT > > - I don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not 
doing any > > modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any 
> > changes to it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image > > into 
Framemaker by > > reference. I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select 
it for > > import - any image in the folder that was created 

Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

[tammyvb]

Hi Lin, OK, just saved one of the equation docs to RTF and nada, zip, zilch.
. . the equations were not converted to PNGs. They remained as equations.
It's just a simple save to RTF, right? GRR . . . Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot
vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com
-Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday,
August 6, 2021 9:26 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker
software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
Well, that sucks. If it's any help, when Word converts to RTF, the equations
are turned into PNGs. It should be possible to save them out separately. I
think. Never had to do something like that with Word. Also, you can export
images only from the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats.
Again, don't know if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something to
consider. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank you for the
approach. The extra rub is that I need to > produce another document that
uses the exact same equations but w/out > all the text of this current guide
- basically, just an appendix of > equations, so I need to be able to share
them among multiple files. I > was trying to write once in Word and save to
PNG so that I could > obviously import by reference into multiple documents
and have just > one location (the Word document) where I would maintain
updates. > Compliments of Ric, I have a variation of this w/ saving the Word
doc > to a PDF, cropping the document to get the equation that I need as a >
PDF and importing as a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at least I can > share
among multiple files and as w/ your approach, I now have vector > files for
the images, not rasterized files, so they remain crisp and > clear no matter
the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric were on the > same page- great
minds do think alike!) I just wish there was a way to > automate this, but
for now, I will plow through unless someone comes > up w/ a different
approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims
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Thank you! I will see what this leads to. It is much appreciated. TVB Tammy
Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers On
Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 9:26 AM To: An email list
for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers]
Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF Well, that sucks. If it's any
help, when Word converts to RTF, the equations are turned into PNGs. It
should be possible to save them out separately. I think. Never had to do
something like that with Word. Also, you can export images only from the PDF
file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats. Again, don't know if that'll
be useful, but I offer it as something to consider. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at
11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank you for the approach. The extra rub is that
I need to > produce another document that uses the exact same equations but
w/out > all the text of this current guide - basically, just an appendix of
> equations, so I need to be able to share them among multiple files. I >
was trying to write once in Word and save to PNG so that I could > obviously
import by reference into multiple documents and have just > one location
(the Word document) where I would maintain updates. > Compliments of Ric, I
have a variation of this w/ saving the Word doc > to a PDF, cropping the
document to get the equation that I need as a > PDF and importing as a PDF.
Yes, very tedious, but at least I can > share among multiple files and as w/
your approach, I now have vector > files for the images, not rasterized
files, so they remain crisp and > clear no matter the zoom level in the PDF.
(So you and Ric were on the > same page- great minds do think alike!) I just
wish there was a way to > automate this, but for now, I will plow through
unless someone comes > up w/ a different approach. Thank you again! TVB
Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com >
www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims
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Hi Simon, I was doing this: The best way to get the 'graphics' from Word is
to save the document as DOCX format, and open the DOCX from ZIP archive
program such as 7-zip. Alternatively, do a File > Save As [or wherever
Microsoft have moved the function], and save the file to HTML format - which
should then give you easy access to the graphics. But, the image quality is
good only for the web at 96 dpi, not for printed material. And in the other
approach of saving to a zip file, the equations are not being recognized as
media objects, so I do not have a media folder that contains them when I
unzip the file. Why the equations are recognized when saving to HTM/HTML as
media, but not w/ the zip approach is beyond me. . . . Thanks! TVB Tammy Van
Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Simon BUCH Sent:
Friday, August 6, 2021 8:36 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe
FrameMaker software. ; tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com Subject: Re: [Framers]
Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF Hello Tammy, I have seen this
effect before [many years ago with FrameMaker 5.5.6!] where one customer
wanted to insert content from Office, and so did a Copy, and Paste in
FrameMaker.   This resulted in a "Object link embedded" graphic.   With a
range of tests, we determined that you couldn't even use the "graphic" in
WordPad as it suffered exactly the same problem that you see when printing
it from FrameMaker. Microsoft claim that they still support OLE.   If they
do, then they've been supporting it very badly, as they seem to think it
works. The best way to get the 'graphics' from Word is to save the document
as DOCX format, and open the DOCX from ZIP archive program such as 7-zip.
Alternatively, do a File > Save As [or wherever Microsoft have moved the
function], and save the file to HTML format - which should then give you
easy access to the graphics. HTH! On 06/08/2021 15:29,
tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote: > Thanks, but I tried this approach
and the equations are not being > recognized as media/graphics objects.
There is no media folder w/ the > equations as PNGs. I have no idea why they
are being recognized as > media objects for a web export, but not this
approach. The equations > are being rasterized at a quality that is good
enough for the web, but > definitely not for print. I have a workaround that
Ric helped me with > , but it's a long tedious one but at this point, I
don't know if I > have any other options. I will keep taking any and all
thoughts. > Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at >
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Hi Lin, Thank you for the approach. The extra rub is that I need to produce
another document that uses the exact same equations but w/out all the text
of this current guide - basically, just an appendix of equations, so I need
to be able to share them among multiple files. I was trying to write once in
Word and save to PNG so that I could obviously import by reference into
multiple documents and have just one location (the Word document) where I
would maintain updates. Compliments of Ric, I have a variation of this w/
saving the Word doc to a PDF, cropping the document to get the equation that
I need as a PDF and importing as a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at least I
can share among multiple files and as w/ your approach, I now have vector
files for the images, not rasterized files, so they remain crisp and clear
no matter the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric were on the same page-
great minds do think alike!) I just wish there was a way to automate this,
but for now, I will plow through unless someone comes up w/ a different
approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6,
2021 8:40 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF Also,
below is what I suggested on the Adobe community, in case you hadn't seen it
yet: Just for giggles, I tried saving a Word file with an equation in it as
an RTF and then using Frame to open the file. The equation came over okay,
and when I save the file to PDF, it looks the same in the PDF file as in the
Frame or Word files. Perhaps what you can do is save the Word file with all
the equations as RTF, then open it in Frame and just copy the relevant
equations into place as you go? You won't be able to update them as they get
imported as PNGs, but they look crisp enough to me. Note: I am using Word
365 and FrameMaker 2020, fully patched. I do not know how or if this will
work in earlier versions, but it surely can't hurt to try. On Fri, Aug 6,
2021 at 10:38 AM Lin Sims wrote: > Ouch. My sympathies. > > On Fri, Aug 6,
2021 at 10:24 AM wrote: > >> I am not the one responsible for creating and
maintaining the equations. >> They are maintained by a SME on the client
side and the SME needs >> them in a tool that he can use which is Word.
Tammy Van Boening Tammy >> dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com >>
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original >> Message- From: Framers On
Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August >> 6, >> 2021 6:06 AM To: An email
list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. >> Subject: Re: [Framers]
Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF >> Probably a stupid question,
but is there a reason you're creating the >> equations in Word rather than
in Frame's Equation Editor? On Thu, Aug >> 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM >> wrote: > I
have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The >> equations are >
being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's >> native equation >
editor. The .docx file is then saved as an >> .htm/.html file and all the >
equations in the document are >> automatically saved as .pngs in a >
separate folder named as >> image.(n), where n is the image number. I >
double-click an equation >> in this folder to automatically open the >
equation in my image >> editor (SnagIT - I don't need anything as heavy > as
Photoshop as I >> am not doing any modifications to the equations) and >
save the >> equation without any changes to it whatsoever with a new > name.
I >> then import the image into Framemaker by > reference. I don't mess w/
>> the dpi of the image when I select it for > import - any image in the >>
folder that was created during the saving of > the Word file shows a >> dpi
of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog > box when I select >> it for
import and although this seems nutty to me >> > (because none of the images
are over-sized). . . they look clear >> > and > >> crisp in the source FM
file (The Advanced Properties of any image in >> > SnagIT is also showing a
resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon > >> generation of the PDF, it goes to
h*ll in a handbasket. The equation >> > looks almost as if the font is
almost bold and therefore much >> darker > than the text in the FM source
file, and it's not nearly as >> crisp and > clear as in the source FM
document - it actually looks > >> blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, the
font that was being used in >> the equations is Cambria > Math, Size 14 with
a default color of >> black without any lightening of the color. > (The font
that is being >> used in the book is also set to a default > color of black
without >> any lightening of the color.) I tried > lightening the font color
by >> different percentages in the Word > document and then regenerated the
>> equations as graphics, and that > helps a bit, but overall, these >>
graphics 

Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

[tammyvb]

Thanks, but I tried this approach and the equations are not being recognized
as media/graphics objects. There is no media folder w/ the equations as
PNGs. I have no idea why they are being recognized as media objects for a
web export, but not this approach. The equations are being rasterized at a
quality that is good enough for the web, but definitely not for print. I
have a workaround that Ric helped me with , but it's a long tedious one but
at this point, I don't know if I have any other options. I will keep taking
any and all thoughts. Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach Sent: Thursday,
August 5, 2021 10:59 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker
software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
Possibly you don't have to save as html. I can't check this right now, but
docx, is itself xml. This is how you can get graphics from a Word docx, by
changing extension to zip Text below is from a text from David Creamer to
this list a few years ago, but I don't remember where I learnt it There are
various tutorials on the web I might suggest a slightly different way of
getting the graphics out of a Word file (works for PowerPoint too)... Make
sure the file is in the .docx format, not .doc (and .pptx, not .ppt) Make a
copy of the file for safety Change the file extension from .docx to .zip
Open the zip file Look for the doc folder (or ppt) Look for the media folder
All the graphics are there--usually in a higher quality than a web export
Give it a try to get your graphics files On Fri, 6 Aug 2021, 01:32 , wrote:
> I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are >
being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation > editor.
The .docx file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the > equations
in the document are automatically saved as .pngs in a > separate folder
named as image.(n), where n is the image number. I > double-click an
equation in this folder to automatically open the > equation in my image
editor (SnagIT - I don't need anything as heavy > as Photoshop as I am not
doing any modifications to the equations) and > save the equation without
any changes to it whatsoever with a new > name. I then import the image into
Framemaker by > reference. I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I
select it for > import - any image in the folder that was created during the
saving of > the Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling
dialog > box when I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me
> (because none of the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and >
crisp in the source FM file (The Advanced Properties of any image in >
SnagIT is also showing a resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon > generation
of the PDF, it goes to h*ll in a handbasket. The equation > looks almost as
if the font is almost bold and therefore much darker > than the text in the
FM source file, and it's not nearly as crisp and > clear as in the source FM
document - it actually looks > blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, the font
that was being used in the equations is Cambria > Math, Size 14 with a
default color of black without any lightening of the color. > (The font that
is being used in the book is also set to a default > color of black without
any lightening of the color.) I tried > lightening the font color by
different percentages in the Word > document and then regenerated the
equations as graphics, and that > helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
are just not nearly as crisp > as they need to be in the final PDF. Any
other graphics that were > taken as a capture and then imported by reference
as PNG are as crisp > as I am used to in FM. > > > > > > I am just at a loss
for how to get this cleared up, but it's > absolutely mandatory that I get
this problem resolved because the > whole focus of the book is the
equations. > > > > Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated. > > > > TVB > > >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

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And not a stupid one- it's totally valid. - Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot 
vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
-Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, 
August 6, 2021 6:06 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker 
software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF 
Probably a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the equations 
in Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor? On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM 
wrote: > I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are 
> being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation > editor. 
The .docx file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the > equations in 
the document are automatically saved as .pngs in a > separate folder named as 
image.(n), where n is the image number. I > double-click an equation in this 
folder to automatically open the > equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I 
don't need anything as heavy > as Photoshop as I am not doing any modifications 
to the equations) and > save the equation without any changes to it whatsoever 
with a new > name. I then import the image into Framemaker by > reference. I 
don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for > import - any image in 
the folder that was created during the saving of > the Word file shows a dpi of 
96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog > box when I select it for import and 
although this seems nutty to me > (because none of the images are over-sized). 
. . they look clear and > crisp in the source FM file (The Advanced Properties 
of any image in > SnagIT is also showing a resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon 
> generation of the PDF, it goes to h*ll in a handbasket. The equation > looks 
almost as if the font is almost bold and therefore much darker > than the text 
in the FM source file, and it's not nearly as crisp and > clear as in the 
source FM document - it actually looks > blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, 
the font that was being used in the equations is Cambria > Math, Size 14 with a 
default color of black without any lightening of the color. > (The font that is 
being used in the book is also set to a default > color of black without any 
lightening of the color.) I tried > lightening the font color by different 
percentages in the Word > document and then regenerated the equations as 
graphics, and that > helps a bit, but overall, these graphics are just not 
nearly as crisp > as they need to be in the final PDF. Any other graphics that 
were > taken as a capture and then imported by reference as PNG are as crisp > 
as I am used to in FM. > > > > > > I am just at a loss for how to get this 
cleared up, but it's > absolutely mandatory that I get this problem resolved 
because the > whole focus of the book is the equations. > > > > Any thoughts 
are sincerely appreciated. > > > > TVB > > > > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > 
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

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I am not the one responsible for creating and maintaining the equations.
They are maintained by a SME on the client side and the SME needs them in a
tool that he can use which is Word. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening
at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
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2021 6:06 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF Probably
a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the equations in
Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor? On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM
wrote: > I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations
are > being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation >
editor. The .docx file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the >
equations in the document are automatically saved as .pngs in a > separate
folder named as image.(n), where n is the image number. I > double-click an
equation in this folder to automatically open the > equation in my image
editor (SnagIT - I don't need anything as heavy > as Photoshop as I am not
doing any modifications to the equations) and > save the equation without
any changes to it whatsoever with a new > name. I then import the image into
Framemaker by > reference. I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I
select it for > import - any image in the folder that was created during the
saving of > the Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling
dialog > box when I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me
> (because none of the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and >
crisp in the source FM file (The Advanced Properties of any image in >
SnagIT is also showing a resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon > generation
of the PDF, it goes to h*ll in a handbasket. The equation > looks almost as
if the font is almost bold and therefore much darker > than the text in the
FM source file, and it's not nearly as crisp and > clear as in the source FM
document - it actually looks > blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, the font
that was being used in the equations is Cambria > Math, Size 14 with a
default color of black without any lightening of the color. > (The font that
is being used in the book is also set to a default > color of black without
any lightening of the color.) I tried > lightening the font color by
different percentages in the Word > document and then regenerated the
equations as graphics, and that > helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
are just not nearly as crisp > as they need to be in the final PDF. Any
other graphics that were > taken as a capture and then imported by reference
as PNG are as crisp > as I am used to in FM. > > > > > > I am just at a loss
for how to get this cleared up, but it's > absolutely mandatory that I get
this problem resolved because the > whole focus of the book is the
equations. > > > > Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated. > > > > TVB > > >
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Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

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Hi Lise,

I won’t bore you with all the details, but unfortunately, a screen grab direct 
from the Word doc is not an option.

Thanks for replying. . . Believe me, it just helps to know that someone is 
trying for me

Sent from my iPhone. Pardon the typos.

> On Aug 5, 2021, at 5:42 PM, Lise Bible  wrote:
> 
> Tammy, that sounds hair-tearingly-out frustrating!
> I don't have any brilliant technical clues to help you, but would it be
> just as fast (e.g., slow) to use Snag-It to capture the equation in Word
> when it's on-screen, and save that?
> If you're already opening the exported images from Word in Snag-it, would
> that save a step?
> Or does that not result in any great advantage or better resolution? I
> don't have Snag-it on this computer so I don't know what the image
> resolution options are when capturing.
> 
> Good luck!
> Lise
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 5:32 PM  wrote:
>> 
>> I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are
>> being
>> created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The
>> .docx
>> file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the
>> document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as
>> image.(n), where n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in this
>> folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I
>> don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any
>> modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes
>> to
>> it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
>> reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
>> import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the
>> Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when
>> I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of
>> the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM
>> file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a
>> resolution of 96 dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to
>> h*ll
>> in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold
>> and
>> therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
>> nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks
>> blurry/pixelated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Initially, the font that was  being used in the equations is Cambria Math,
>> Size 14 with a default color of black without any lightening of the color.
>> (The font that is being used in the book is also set to a default color of
>> black without any lightening of the color.) I tried lightening the font
>> color by different percentages in the Word document and then regenerated
>> the
>> equations as graphics, and that helps a bit, but overall, these graphics
>> are
>> just not nearly as crisp as they need to be in the final PDF.  Any other
>> graphics that were taken as a capture and then imported by reference as
>> PNG
>> are as crisp as I am used to in FM.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am just at a loss for how to get this cleared up, but it's absolutely
>> mandatory that I get this problem resolved because the whole focus of the
>> book is the equations.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> TVB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tammy Van Boening
>> 
>> Principal/Owner
>> 
>> Spectrum Writing, LLC
>> 
>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
>> 
>> 303-840-1755
>> 
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[Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF

[tammyvb]

I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are being
created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The .docx
file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the
document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as
image.(n), where n is the image number.  I double-click an equation in this
folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I
don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any
modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes to
it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by
reference.   I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for
import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the
Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when
I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of
the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM
file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a
resolution of 96 dpi);  however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to h*ll
in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold and
therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not
nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks
blurry/pixelated.

 

Initially, the font that was  being used in the equations is Cambria Math,
Size 14 with a default color of black without any lightening of the color.
(The font that is being used in the book is also set to a default color of
black without any lightening of the color.) I tried lightening the font
color by different percentages in the Word document and then regenerated the
equations as graphics, and that helps a bit, but overall, these graphics are
just not nearly as crisp as they need to be in the final PDF.  Any other
graphics that were taken as a capture and then imported by reference as  PNG
are as crisp as I am used to in FM. 

 

 

I am just at a loss for how to get this cleared up, but it's absolutely
mandatory that I get this problem resolved because the whole focus of the
book is the equations.

 

Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated.

 

TVB

 

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Principal/Owner

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com  

303-840-1755

 


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Re: [Framers] Adding a word to FM dictionary

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Hi Peter,

I am a party of one, so nothing on a network directory branch of my
installation. Everything is in my local directory. I wouldn't have a clue as
to what application tweaked my Windows and even if it did, why on earth
would the one word "potential" in the FM check spelling world be affected??
Stranger things, yes, have happened, but . .. 

Is there a way to refresh/replace/repair the US English dictionary for FM?
Just trying all thoughts at this point.

Thank you!

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Adding a word to FM dictionary

Standing out here on the sidelines of your battle, I can't help but wonder
if there's some kind of Windows cache issue that's at play. Actually not
"play" - more like evil. IIRC, in DOS days, some applications needed some OS
environment options, like "files=", or "threads=," customized, to perform
optimally. Perhaps there's a Windows Ace who can chime in here.

* Is it possible that other applications have tweaked your Windows?

* Is it possible that some of your settings or support files are on a
network directory branch of your installation, rather than in your local
directory?

HTH

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 2:37 PM  wrote:

> Update to the problem below: I followed Reng's advice about writing 
> the dictionaries to a file to attempt a correction that way and 
> neither the document dictionary nor the personal dictionary contains 
> "potential."  Does anyone have any advice or ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> TVB
>
>
> __
> __
>
> __
> __
> ___
>
> OK,
>
>
>
> This was happening in FM12 and now with a standalone new install with 
> FM2019, so I give because as a standalone install (it was not an 
> upgrade install), the dictionaries should be new and not corrupted - in
theory!
> The
> word "potential" is getting flagged as a possible misspelling in my 
> current document set, and based on the section that I am writing 
> currently, it's driving me insane. If I right-click on a flagged 
> instance of "potential," I can select either Learn the Word or Allow 
> in Document and still get the same cryptic message:
>
>
>
> "You cannot add potential to a dictionary. To add potential to a 
> dictionary, first deselect the corresponding Find setting in the 
> Spelling Checker Options dialog box."
>
>
>
> What friggin' Find setting? There isn't an applicable one selected. . .
> it's
> not a repeated word, etc.
>
>
>
> Any advice on how to solve this inane problem?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> TVB
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Principal/Owner
>
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
>
> 303-840-1755
>
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[Framers] Adding a word to FM dictionary

[tammyvb]

Update to the problem below: I followed Reng's advice about writing the
dictionaries to a file to attempt a correction that way and neither the
document dictionary nor the personal dictionary contains "potential."  Does
anyone have any advice or ideas?

Thanks!

TVB



___

OK,

 

This was happening in FM12 and now with a standalone new install with
FM2019, so I give because as a standalone install (it was not an upgrade
install), the dictionaries should be new and not corrupted - in theory!  The
word "potential" is getting flagged as a possible misspelling in my current
document set, and based on the section that I am writing currently, it's
driving me insane. If I right-click on a flagged instance of "potential," I
can select either Learn the Word or Allow in Document and still get the same
cryptic message:

 

"You cannot add potential to a dictionary. To add potential to a dictionary,
first deselect the corresponding Find setting in the Spelling Checker
Options dialog box." 

 

What friggin' Find setting? There isn't an applicable one selected. . . it's
not a repeated word, etc.

 

Any advice on how to solve this inane problem?

 

Thanks!

 

TVB

 

Tammy Van Boening

Principal/Owner

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com  

303-840-1755

 

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Re: [Framers] How do I edit the personal dictionary in FM 12?

[tammyvb]

Hi Tom,

If you receive any helpful offlist replies, could you forward to me? This
might help me with a dictionary issue that I posted just yesterday.

Thanks!

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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Subject: [Framers] How do I edit the personal dictionary in FM 12?

I've noticed lately that the FM spell checker has missed typos that should
have been caught. I can only assume that at some point, I clicked Learn on a
misspelled word. I would like to check this dictionary and clean up/correct
any misspelled item in it. How do I do this?



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Re: [Framers] Turning on automatic spell checker in Framemaker 2019

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Thanks Reng.

I know this is crazy, but initially, I did not see that option. I closed and
opened FM, but. .  I closed FM, rebooted, and then opened FM and now all the
options in my dialog boxes in my Workspace setup are showing up again.

And sorry for the delayed thank you. My "wonderful" (dripping sarcasm here)
email provider switched platforms in June and all of sudden this month, they
sent out a notice about adding extra security and emails to this list were
being quarantined and I wasn't aware! (other issues resulted as well.)

Just think "wolverine in a steel cage," by the time that I called them and
got through to Tech Support who couldn't tell me how/why this started but
they are "aware of the issue" as I guess they are getting just inundated w/
calls about this.



Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Turning on automatic spell checker in Framemaker 2019

Hi Tammy,

In the Edit menu click Preferences.
Then go to the Spelling section and Spelling Options.
At the very top of the dialog there is the Auto Spell Check option.

Best regards

Winfried

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Subject: [Framers] Turning on automatic spell checker in Framemaker 2019

OK, don't know how, but this feature of automatic spell check in 2019 got
turned off and I need to turn it back on. I have gone to Edit > Preferences
and looked all over the General options and the Spelling options and cannot
find it for the life of me. Where please do I turn on this feature?

Thank you!

TVB

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com
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[Framers] Adding a word to FM dictionary

[tammyvb]

OK,

 

This was happening in FM12 and now with a standalone new install with
FM2019, so I give because as a standalone install (it was not an upgrade
install), the dictionaries should be new and not corrupted - in theory!  The
word "potential" is getting flagged as a possible misspelling in my current
document set, and based on the section that I am writing currently, it's
driving me insane. If I right-click on a flagged instance of "potential," I
can select either Learn the Word or Allow in Document and still get the same
cryptic message:

 

"You cannot add potential to a dictionary. To add potential to a dictionary,
first deselect the corresponding Find setting in the Spelling Checker
Options dialog box." 

 

What friggin' Find setting? There isn't an applicable one selected. . . it's
not a repeated word, etc.

 

Any advice on how to solve this inane problem?

 

Thanks!

 

TVB

 

Tammy Van Boening

Principal/Owner

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com  

303-840-1755

 

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[Framers] Turning on automatic spell checker in Framemaker 2019

[tammyvb]

OK, don't know how, but this feature of automatic spell check in 2019 got
turned off and I need to turn it back on. I have gone to Edit > Preferences
and looked all over the General options and the Spelling options and cannot
find it for the life of me. Where please do I turn on this feature?

 

Thank you!

 

TVB

 

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

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Re: [Framers] Equations and font sizes of different components in Framemaker 2019

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And yes, I know the "solution" would be to do all variables that require a
subscript or superscript as an equation, but the budget and timing of this
simply won't allow for it - there are literally THOUSANDS of variables that
I have had to define and taking the time to make an equation out of one that
can be so easily entered via free-handed text is not a economically viable
solution as a result. Thank you! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening
at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
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Wednesday, June 23, 2021 3:30 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject:
[Framers] Equations and font sizes of different components in Framemaker
2019 OK, If anyone has used the Equations pod and can provide insight in how
to solve this problem, I would be forever grateful. Here's the story: I have
a very equation dense manual that I am producing in Framemaker 2019 for all
the text, imported graphics, etc. I have a sub-contractor who is working in
an equation editor to define and develop all the necessary equations. These
equations are organized in a Word document. I take a screen capture of the
full equation and import it into an anchored frame in my document. I am
doing it this way because each equation must be used in two separate manuals
(the manual that I am currently writing and a manual that consists of only
the equations - nothing more). As a result, after I take a screen capture
and store the capture in a central location, I can import the equation into
each document. If the equation must be edited/updated, then the equation is
updated in the Word document, I retake the screen capture w/ the same name
and save it to the original location to simultaneously update the two docs.
This part has worked flawlessly. What I MUST do in the manual that I am
currently writing is tabulate each equation variable in a two column table.
The left column is the variable, and the right column is the variable
definition. For the left column of the table, I have a paragraph tag defined
as TableEquationVariable, and this tag is set to Times New Roman, 12 point,
Italic. I also have two character tags with everything set to As-is -
Superscript and Subscript - and as the name implies the ONLY property that I
have set for these tags is Superscript or Subscript. For variables that
require a single superscript or subscript, this works just fine, for
example, Clumen,t. However, the one thing that I have noticed is that after
applying either of these tags, the subscript or superscript visually appear
smaller in font size but I have confirmed that they are indeed 12pt in size.
I guess it's just the way that FM applies this scripting property falsely
makes the font appear smaller than it is. The rub is that the vast majority
of these variables contain both subscripts and superscripts. For example,
Cj,lumen,t would be a C with a "j" subscript and perfectly aligned
underneath the "j" would be the "lumen, t" subscript. For such a variable, I
insert a new Medium Equation, and w/ the ? mark selected, I enter a capital
C. Under symbols, I then Start String, enter a "j" and then End String. I
then position the selected string of "j" as needed for a superscript. I then
place the cursor after the "j", and then Start String, enter "lumen, t" and
then End String. I then position the selected string appropriately as a
subscript. The problem is that the font size of these subscripts and
superscripts visually appears MUCH larger than the font of the superscript
or subscripts for which I manually applied the character tag. So, I created
an additional Character Tag called EquationVariables_SuperSubScript and set
everything to as-is OTHER than the font size and set that to a font size of
8 pt - something in an attempt to get these strings to look like the
free-handed subscript/superscripts in other variables. In the Equation Fonts
dialog box, I mapped Strings to this new tag, but. . . . this doesn't seem
to make one darned bit of difference. The strings appear to remain
noticeably larger in font size than I want. I have tried the other route w/
Small Equation size but then the C is MUCH smaller than the required font. .
etc. I am just going in circles but from the other direction. So I tried a
third approach where the C was just freely entered text, and then I entered
each string as independent equation and that solved the font size issue for
whatever reason, but positioning one string as a subscript and one as a
superscript is simply not feasible. If anyone can point me in the right
direction to resolving this dilemma, I would be most appreciative. It is
definitely a visual issue that my SMEs have flagged and they want it
resolved (understandably) before the final publication of this manual and I
am just bonkers at this point. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot
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[Framers] Equations and font sizes of different components in Framemaker 2019

[tammyvb]

OK,

 

If anyone has used the Equations pod and can provide insight in how to solve
this problem, I would be forever grateful. Here's the story:

 

I have a very equation dense manual that I am producing in Framemaker 2019
for all the text, imported graphics, etc. I have a sub-contractor who is
working in an equation editor to define and develop all the necessary
equations. These equations are organized in a Word document. I take a screen
capture of the full equation and import it into an anchored frame in my
document. I am doing it this way because each equation must be used in two
separate manuals (the manual that I am currently writing and a manual that
consists of only the equations - nothing more). As a result, after I take a
screen capture and store the capture in a central location, I can import the
equation into each document. If the equation must be edited/updated, then
the equation is updated in the Word document, I retake the screen capture w/
the same name and save it to the original location to simultaneously update
the two docs. This part has worked flawlessly.

 

What I MUST do in the manual that I am currently writing is tabulate each
equation variable in a two column table. The left column is the variable,
and the right column is the variable definition. For the left column of the
table, I have a paragraph tag defined as TableEquationVariable, and this tag
is set to Times New Roman, 12 point, Italic.  I also have two character tags
with everything set to As-is - Superscript and Subscript - and as the name
implies the ONLY property that I have set for these tags is Superscript or
Subscript.  For variables that require a single superscript or subscript,
this works just fine, for example, Clumen,t.  However, the one thing that I
have noticed is that after applying either of these tags, the subscript or
superscript visually appear smaller in font size but I have confirmed that
they are indeed 12pt in size. I guess it's just the way that FM applies this
scripting property falsely makes the font appear smaller than it is.

 

The rub is that the vast majority of these variables contain both subscripts
and superscripts. For example, Cj,lumen,t would be a C with a "j" subscript
and perfectly aligned underneath the "j" would be the "lumen, t" subscript.
For such a variable,  I insert a new Medium Equation, and w/ the ? mark
selected, I enter a capital C.  Under symbols, I then Start String, enter a
"j" and then End String. I then position the selected string of "j" as
needed for a superscript. I then place the cursor after the "j", and then
Start String, enter "lumen, t" and then End String. I then position the
selected string appropriately as a subscript. The problem is that the font
size of these subscripts and superscripts visually appears MUCH larger than
the font of the superscript or subscripts for which I manually applied the
character tag. So, I created an additional Character Tag called
EquationVariables_SuperSubScript and set everything to as-is OTHER than the
font size and set that to a font size of 8 pt - something in an attempt to
get these strings to look like the free-handed subscript/superscripts in
other variables. In the Equation Fonts dialog box, I mapped Strings to this
new tag, but. . . .  this doesn't seem to make one darned bit of difference.
The strings appear to remain noticeably larger in font size than I want.  

 

I have tried the other route w/ Small Equation size but then the C is MUCH
smaller than the required font. .  etc. I am just going in circles but from
the other direction.

 

So I tried a third approach where the C was just freely entered text, and
then I entered each string as independent equation and that solved the font
size issue for whatever reason, but positioning one string as a subscript
and one as a superscript is simply not feasible. 

 

If anyone can point me in the right direction to resolving this dilemma, I
would be most appreciative. It is definitely a visual issue that my SMEs
have flagged and they want it resolved (understandably) before the final
publication of this manual and I am just bonkers at this point.

 

TIA,

 

TVB

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 


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Re: [Framers] Backups

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Also remember that your backup files have the same graphic import information 
and x-ref info as your master files, so if you move them to a different folder 
and don't keep the same relative path  all your links will be broken and if you 
need to save yourself from a bad situation with the backup files, you will have 
to set up all that information again. . .as Lin stated, Ruck does have a script 
that helps somewhat in this endeavor. . .windwr if he could trick it out to 
solve this linking issue?Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: D B  Date: 
6/17/21  6:16 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe 
FrameMaker software."  Subject: [Framers] Backups 
Is there a way to have FrameMaker save the automatic backup files in 
asub-folder below the project folder?  I see where to turn on/off thebackups, 
but not any way to specify where to save them.Having those backups in the same 
location makes the folder much too busy,IMO.I'm using Frame 
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Re: [Framers] OT: Newest version of Windows 10

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Hi David, Yep, I have done that already. . . time is ticking as a result. .
. Thank you! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
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Re: [Framers] OT: Newest version of Windows 10 You can delay your Windows
updates for over a month if you check your advanced update settings. David
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Re: [Framers] OT: Newest version of Windows 10

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Thanks Z. This is exactly the kind of information that I needed. TVB Tammy
Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers On
Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 1:02 PM To: An
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[Framers] OT: Newest version of Windows 10 Hi, Tammy. I cannot tell you
about FM 2019 specifically (I decided to never upgrade after FM 2012), but
the install of 20H2 Windows went very smoothly for me, and *every*
application on my system, including Acrobat Pro, works just fine. So, I
would be surprised if Acrobat or FM 2019 breaks as a result of this update
... but, YMMV, of course! I also updated to 20H2 on a Parallels Pro virtual
environment on an Apple MacOS laptop, and FM 2012 (moved it to Parallels
last year) is working fine on that system too. Well, as well as it worked
before! :) One thing that drives my old eyes bonkers a bit is FM 2012's tiny
menu, buttons, and stuff on that large-resolution screen (had the same
problem on my Lenovo and a 4K monitor too). We also *had* to update to 20H2
... many security fixes that we *really* needed on our user systems. In
today's crazy security threat world, having these security updates is
incredibly important, to be honest. Z -Original Message- From:
Framers On Behalf Of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com Sent: Tuesday, June 1,
2021 2:44 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] OT: Newest
version of Windows 10 So, A few versions ago, (1803?), the update took us
Framers down the rabbit hole and rendered PDF generation useless. The
"Latest and Greatest" version of Windows 10, Version 20H2, is now available,
and I am receiving nastygram updates about not having a choice to upgrade
soon. . . which sends shivers down my spine. Before I embark on what I am
sure is to be an "adventure," have any Framers using FM19 on Windows 10,
64-bit upgraded to this version of Windows and if so, did all go well or are
there any gotchya's? (I am also using Adobe Acrobat Pro XI.) I loathe to
update right now as I am in the middle of a ginormous client project and
would like to postpone the update as long as I can until at least the first
part of this project is over (should be the end of June), but at least I
will be prepared at the time to do so. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot
vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com
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[Framers] FW: Re: OT: Newest version of Windows 10

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Sorry- didn't Reply All.Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: tammyvb 
 Date: 6/1/21  6:03 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: Fred 
Ridder  Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Newest version of 
Windows 10 It's the message that is being displayed on the Update window. When 
I am prompted about needing updates, and I open the Update Window to select and 
download the available updates, this message and version number are very 
prominently displayed below the list of available updates.Sent from Samsung 
Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Fred Ridder 
 Date: 6/1/21  5:43 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: tammyvb 
 Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Newest version of 
Windows 10 

FWIW, I don't recognize the Windows version you refer to. My machine is running 
version 10.2104.41161.0




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Subject: [Framers] OT: Newest version of Windows 10
 


So, 

 

A few versions ago, (1803?), the update took us Framers down the rabbit hole
and rendered PDF generation useless. The "Latest and Greatest" version of
Windows 10, Version 20H2, is now available, and I am receiving nastygram
updates about not having a choice to upgrade soon. . . which sends shivers
down my spine.

 

Before I embark on what I am sure is to be an "adventure," have any Framers
using FM19 on Windows 10, 64-bit upgraded to this version of Windows and if
so, did all go well or are there any gotchya's?  (I am also using Adobe
Acrobat Pro XI.)

 

I loathe to update right now as I am in the middle of a ginormous client
project and would like to postpone the update as long as I can until at
least the first part of this project is over (should be the end of June),
but at least I will be prepared at the time to do so.

 

TIA,

 

TVB

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

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[Framers] OT: Newest version of Windows 10

[tammyvb]

So, 

 

A few versions ago, (1803?), the update took us Framers down the rabbit hole
and rendered PDF generation useless. The "Latest and Greatest" version of
Windows 10, Version 20H2, is now available, and I am receiving nastygram
updates about not having a choice to upgrade soon. . . which sends shivers
down my spine.

 

Before I embark on what I am sure is to be an "adventure," have any Framers
using FM19 on Windows 10, 64-bit upgraded to this version of Windows and if
so, did all go well or are there any gotchya's?  (I am also using Adobe
Acrobat Pro XI.)

 

I loathe to update right now as I am in the middle of a ginormous client
project and would like to postpone the update as long as I can until at
least the first part of this project is over (should be the end of June),
but at least I will be prepared at the time to do so.

 

TIA,

 

TVB

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 


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Re: [Framers] A bizarre cross-reference issue

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Yep, that is a pitfall. I am just gonna follow the advice about a "one tag" for 
all and go from there. Thanks everyone for the replies.TVB Sent from Samsung 
Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: Craig Ede  Date: 
4/23/21  9:08 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe 
FrameMaker software."  Subject: Re: [Framers] A 
bizarre cross-reference issue Rick’s suggestion highlights one of the pitfalls 
of FrameMaker’s tagging system. If you overlay a character tag with another 
character tag, you may get a mix of characteristics in the text depending on 
the settings for each of the character tags. Anything left “As Is” in the 
second applied tag will retain the earlier tag’s setting (if it differs from 
the paragraph settings). However, if you search on the first char tag name, FM 
will not find it in any text where another char tag has overlaid it, so you 
lost the ability to search effectively for a tag. You’re then stuck with 
modifying such text by doing a search for character tag overrides.Much better 
to foresee what combinations of characteristics might occur and create separate 
‘combo tags’ that do all the things you might want done to the text. Just 
remember to have a template usage guide that gives your writers this info so 
that they don’t subvert the intent by just overlaying two 
tags.CraigFrom: Framers 
 on behalf of 
r...@rickquatro.com Instead of applying two character 
formats, I would suggest that you make asingle character format called 
SuperscriptLink (or something like that) thathas both the superscript position 
and your link color. This should be morereliable than applying two separate 
character formats to the number.Rick 
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Re: [Framers] A bizarre cross-reference issue

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LOL. Great minds. . . after sending out this email, that is exactly what I
decided to do. I have a format called exactly this w/ the color set to my
Link color and Superscript turned on. Everything else is set to as-is. And
all seems to be well after updating the book. Fingers crossed that this
setup stays consistent. Like I said, what was weird is that this problem
wasn't immediate, so . . . 

Thanks Rick!

TVB

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Subject: Re: [Framers] A bizarre cross-reference issue

How is your Link character format set up? Is the Position property set to As
Is? If not, that may be the issue.

Instead of applying two character formats, I would suggest that you make a
single character format called SuperscriptLink (or something like that) that
has both the superscript position and your link color. This should be more
reliable than applying two separate character formats to the number.

Rick Quatro
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Subject: [Framers] A bizarre cross-reference issue

I am writing a scientific principles guides that is heavily referenced, and
I do mean heavily . (Like to the tune of over 400 references.)

 

I have two x-reference formats for this:

 

Reference,  <$paranumonly>,

Reference   <$paranumonly>

 

After writing for a bit (and saving frequently), I decide to update the book
file. I use Edit > Update Book, and in the Update Book dialog, everything
(and I do mean everything, cross-references included) is selected for
update. I get absolutely no errors after updating but EVERY SINGLE
cross-reference that uses either of the above formats loses its superscript
formatting. Blam. .. they are all in line and of the same font size as an
ordinary line of body text. 

 

I have to go into each and every file and select Edit > Update References
with Cross-References selected and then and only then do the references go
back to superscript.

 

I am at a total loss for why this is happening and the real kicker is that
this just started happening last week. Until then, same book, same template,
same bat channel, same bat time, and I could do a simple Edit > Update Book
and everything was just peachy.

 

Needless to say, this is a big PITA, and very time-consuming. If anybody has
any ideas/thoughts, can commiserate, and offer a solution other than
drinking heavily at the end of a long day of writing, I would most
appreciate it.

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

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[Framers] A bizarre cross-reference issue

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I am writing a scientific principles guides that is heavily referenced, and
I do mean heavily . (Like to the tune of over 400 references.)

 

I have two x-reference formats for this:

 

Reference,  <$paranumonly>,

Reference   <$paranumonly>

 

After writing for a bit (and saving frequently), I decide to update the book
file. I use Edit > Update Book, and in the Update Book dialog, everything
(and I do mean everything, cross-references included) is selected for
update. I get absolutely no errors after updating but EVERY SINGLE
cross-reference that uses either of the above formats loses its superscript
formatting. Blam. .. they are all in line and of the same font size as an
ordinary line of body text. 

 

I have to go into each and every file and select Edit > Update References
with Cross-References selected and then and only then do the references go
back to superscript.

 

I am at a total loss for why this is happening and the real kicker is that
this just started happening last week. Until then, same book, same template,
same bat channel, same bat time, and I could do a simple Edit > Update Book
and everything was just peachy.

 

Needless to say, this is a big PITA, and very time-consuming. If anybody has
any ideas/thoughts, can commiserate, and offer a solution other than
drinking heavily at the end of a long day of writing, I would most
appreciate it.

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

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Re: [Framers] Needed: A template god/goddess

[tammyvb]

Thank you everyone!! This list just rocks. I am now fully taken care of
between Lin and an offlist responder.

Happy Friday!!!

TVB

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-Original Message-
From: Framers
 On
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 10:16 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Needed: A template god/goddess

Ah, hah! It turns out Adobe has been including updated to the current
version of Frame as part of its Samples directory!

C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe FrameMaker
2019\Samples\MoreSamples\Books\Bkstyle7

Has the correct page layout for that color block. I hope this helps.

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 11:02 AM  wrote:

> So,
>
>
>
> My longtime template goddess has retired and I am in need of some 
> assistance in setting up some aspects of my FM template (I have 
> FM2019). Some parts of the template are a no-brainer, but others are 
> going to require that an auto-numbered paragraph tag to be displayed 
> in the middle of a specific graphic/icon - it's essentially my 
> client's preferred symbol (a geometric
> shape) and color and in the middle of this the chapter number must be 
> displayed and they would also like a smaller version of this for the 
> page number and a section number. Yea, I could figure it out if I 
> mucked around for a while, but I am slammed w/ the writing deadline 
> for this and beyond basic template setup (like a line under a chapter 
> title - woo hoo!) I tend to go for very basic templates and focus on 
> the writing . . . which is what they hired me to do.
>
>
>
> For someone who is skilled in this, I bet you would be done like that 
> (snaps
> fingers) but I am willing to pay for up to 2 hours of work at my bill 
> rate (to be discussed offline) . . . if this is something that suits 
> your fancy, please let me know, and we can make time to talk. I have 
> mockups of what is needed.
>
>
>
> TIA and Happy Friday.
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
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[Framers] Needed: A template god/goddess

[tammyvb]

So,

 

My longtime template goddess has retired and I am in need of some assistance
in setting up some aspects of my FM template (I have FM2019). Some parts of
the template are a no-brainer, but others are going to require that an
auto-numbered paragraph tag to be displayed in the middle of a specific
graphic/icon - it's essentially my client's preferred symbol (a geometric
shape) and color and in the middle of this the chapter number must be
displayed and they would also like a smaller version of this for the page
number and a section number. Yea, I could figure it out if I mucked around
for a while, but I am slammed w/ the writing deadline for this and beyond
basic template setup (like a line under a chapter title - woo hoo!) I tend
to go for very basic templates and focus on the writing . . . which is what
they hired me to do.

 

For someone who is skilled in this, I bet you would be done like that (snaps
fingers) but I am willing to pay for up to 2 hours of work at my bill rate
(to be discussed offline) . . . if this is something that suits your fancy,
please let me know, and we can make time to talk. I have mockups of what is
needed.

 

TIA and Happy Friday.

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

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Re: [Framers] Save as PDF - Do not rely on System Fonts

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https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/embedding-fonts-used-in-a-source-framemaker-file-in-the-final-pdf/m-p/11937528#M70160

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-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 3:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Save as PDF - Do not rely on System Fonts

You need to set a custom job options file that specifically embeds these fonts 
and use this file to create your pdf. When I get back to my office this 
afternoon, I will send a link to this topic in the adobe Framemaker forums that 
shows visually where and how to do this.HTH.Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: A Craig  Date: 4/11/21  
12:49 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: "'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker 
software.'"  Subject: Re: [Framers] Save as PDF - 
Do not rely on System Fonts I seem to recall having a custom joboptions file 
that I always selected forPDFs.I don't know how Adobe has changed Frame, but 
maybe this would work? -Original Message-From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Orly 
ZimmermanSent: April 11, 2021 12:19 AMTo: framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject: 
[Framers] Save as PDF - Do not rely on System FontsHI All,Allison's recent 
question - about the old SetPrint reminded me of a problemI currently have. I'm 
running FM2020 (from the Adobe Technical Suite) on anew HP EliteBook 84 G6 
(Intel core i5-8265U @1.6GHz<mailto:i5@1.6GHz>) with8GB of installed RAM. No 
problems with processing times or open pod issues.FM works fine, thank 
goodness.M
 y problem:I use Kelson family fonts for my cover/back pages. These fonts, for 
somereason, don't embed in the file.When I quickly want to create a PDF, I'll 
use the "Save as PDF" File option.Invariably, the PDF conversion process (via 
Distiller) gets flushed.To solve the problem, I need to uncheck an option "Do 
not rely on systemfonts" which can be found only in the Adobe Print 
settings.And I need to reset this each time I restart FM.Any ideas on how to 
avoid this slightly annoying problem.Many thanks! And have a great 
week,Orly>>Hi Alison,>>>>FrameMaker creates PDF files via Save As PDF with its 
own engine.>>The printer is not involved. This works very well.>>>>There can be 
requirements that you create the PDF via Distiller, but thisis also automated. 
You can still use Save As PDF.>>>>You do not need to print to a PostScript 
file.>>SetPrint cannot be installed (FM 2020 is 64 bit) and is not 
needed.>>There isn't any headless Distiller in FM 2020.>>>>Best 
regards>>>>WinfriedOrly Zimme
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Re: [Framers] Save as PDF - Do not rely on System Fonts

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You need to set a custom job options file that specifically embeds these fonts 
and use this file to create your pdf. When I get back to my office this 
afternoon, I will send a link to this topic in the adobe Framemaker forums that 
shows visually where and how to do this.HTH.Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: A Craig  Date: 4/11/21  
12:49 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: "'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker 
software.'"  Subject: Re: [Framers] Save as PDF - 
Do not rely on System Fonts I seem to recall having a custom joboptions file 
that I always selected forPDFs.I don't know how Adobe has changed Frame, but 
maybe this would work? -Original Message-From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Orly 
ZimmermanSent: April 11, 2021 12:19 AMTo: framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject: 
[Framers] Save as PDF - Do not rely on System FontsHI All,Allison's recent 
question - about the old SetPrint reminded me of a problemI currently have. I'm 
running FM2020 (from the Adobe Technical Suite) on anew HP EliteBook 84 G6 
(Intel core i5-8265U @1.6GHz) with8GB of installed RAM. No 
problems with processing times or open pod issues.FM works fine, thank 
goodness.My problem:I use Kelson family fonts for my cover/back pages. These 
fonts, for somereason, don't embed in the file.When I quickly want to create a 
PDF, I'll use the "Save as PDF" File option.Invariably, the PDF conversion 
process (via Distiller) gets flushed.To solve the problem, I need to uncheck an 
option "Do not rely on systemfonts" which can be found only in the Adobe Print 
settings.And I need to reset this each time I restart FM.Any ideas on how to 
avoid this slightly annoying problem.Many thanks! And have a great 
week,Orly>>Hi Alison,FrameMaker creates PDF files via Save As PDF with its 
own engine.>>The printer is not involved. This works very well.There can be 
requirements that you create the PDF via Distiller, but thisis also automated. 
You can still use Save As PDF.You do not need to print to a PostScript 
file.>>SetPrint cannot be installed (FM 2020 is 64 bit) and is not 
needed.>>There isn't any headless Distiller in FM 2020.Best 
regardsWinfriedOrly ZimmermanTechnical 
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[Framers] Embedding a font in a PDF

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A client has a mandatory font, Roboto, that I must use to produce their
manual suite.  I have downloaded and installed these fonts in
C:\Windows\Fonts, and I have made sure to activate this font in my Adobe
Fonts account. (From the Adobe site: Roboto is available via an open source
license. You're free to use it with your Adobe Fonts account just as you
would any other font in the Adobe Fonts library.). I am using FM2019 to
produce the documents. 

 

As this is not a font that some users might have on their systems, I want to
embed the fonts in any PDF that I produce for this suite, but when I go to
set a job options file w/ these specific fonts embedded, the fonts are NOT
listed in the available fonts list. I cannot find anything about Roboto
having/not having the correct marks for being embedded, so for now, I have
resorted to Pre-Flighting the PDF after production: (If you have Adobe
Acrobat XI Professional (not Standard) you can embed fonts available on your
system using Preflight tool and Embed Fonts profile under PDF fixups.)

 

But this is one extra processing step that I really don't want to have to
remember. .. I would much prefer setting the embedding in a job options file
and bada bing, bada boom. . . one and done!

 

If anyone has any insight, can offer advice about how to get these fonts
embedded through job options vs. pre-flighting, I would be most
appreciative. I have googled Roboto and embedding until my fingers have
bled, but I am coming up with zilch.

 

TIA,

 

TVB

 

 

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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[tammyvb]

Hi Lynne,

Thank you so much! I will take a look at implementing this today. 

This list rocks.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of Lynne A. Price
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 10:49 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

Tammy,

If I understand the issue, you are trying to make a single TOC entry that 
has the autonumber of the SectionNumber paragraph followed by the text of the 
SectionTitle paragraph. The format of one TOC entry cannot include information 
from multiple paragraphs (or elements in a structured document). However, you 
can create two entries that appear on one line by making the first one a run-in 
head. In your case, you can enter SectionNumber in the TOC, using <$paranum> 
and formatting that paragraph as a run-in head. Also enter SectionTitle in the 
TOC using <$paratext>. As long as all sections are consistent in the use of 
both paragraphs at the beginning, the result should be what you want.

 --Lynne

On 3/15/2021 8:36 AM, tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:
> SectionNumber is an auto-numbered tag used within a chapter file 
> whereas the tag that immediately follows, SectionTitle, is not 
> auto-numbered. The numbering is not at the file level such as with 
> $Chapnum, so <$sectionnum>  is not an option.

--
Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and 
training
lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
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