Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

[Joshua Tinnin]

On Saturday 02 October 2004 08:50 pm, Dave Vollenweider 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather it's more
> of a request for moral support.  This may seem disjointed, so bear
> with me.
>
> I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've been using
> Unix-like operating systems for almost two years.  I started with Red
> Hat Linux back when Red Hat was making and selling their
> "consumer-grade" version of Red Hat Linux, then switched to Debian
> before going to FreeBSD last March.  I now also run NetBSD on one of
> my machines.
>
> Through all this, I've developed a passion for this type of OS,
> seeing the elegance, performance, and sheer power of Unix.  This has
> affected me to the point of me changing my career path.  Before I got
> into these OSs, I wanted to get into radio.  Now I'd rather either be
> a system administrator or run my own consulting business for entities
> that use these types of OSs.  But herein lies the problem I've been
> having lately: while searching around for what I'd need to know to
> become a system administrator, I came across this page:
> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/13/131727/462 and I'm
> overwhelmed by the sheer amount of knowledge I'd have to gain.  It
> took me almost two years to get to where I am today, and it looks
> like I've barely scratched the surface of what I'd need to know.  But
> now, I feel like instead of learning things on my own for fun, I have
> to learn other things I don't really have a need to learn for myself
> or that I want to, just so that I can apply that to oth er peoples'
> situations.  The result is that lately learning these OSs has become
> more of a chore than a fun hobby, and I'm still intimidated by what I
> need to learn to get to where I want to go.  It almost seems like
> it's not worth it.
>
> Now, being that I know there are some very experienced people on this
> list, I'm betting that I'm not the only one that has experienced
> this, that learning new things in Unix-like OSs becomes more of a
> chore than something to do for fun.  My question is, what advice
> would you have for dealing with this?

Well, I can only tell you about my own experience, but perhaps it will 
help. I have always been a techie, getting my first computer at the age 
of 14 - an Apple IIe. Learned some Basic, some peeks and pokes and even 
some assembly. But I found that I also liked music, and tended more to 
that side of things for the latter half of my teens and into my 20s, 
though I never went to college (started a few times, but didn't know 
what I wanted to do). Somehow I ended up doing web design for a band in 
my mid 20s, and even though the band broke up, I was good enough at it 
that it became my career in 2000, right when the dot-com bubble started 
to burst.

I was 30, just starting my career with no degree but making $50k (not 
great, but not bad), and worked for three different failed companies in 
the course of a year and a half. Most of this time I was using Windows, 
but I used various flavors of *nix during the course of my work, mostly 
Red Hat, plus I installed SuSE at home and used it occasionally. My 
specialty was front-end web development - I found it increasingly 
difficult to find work from 2001 onward, especially because I had no 
strong programming skills, but could do JavaScript and some other 
scripting, and I also didn't have credentials as a graphic designer, 
even though I could do it by gut instinct (which sometimes isn't good 
enough).

Eventually I came to hate doing web design, partially because I couldn't 
find paying work, but mostly because it's not the right discipline for 
me anyway - it sort of fell in my lap, and I made a go of it. I've been 
bouncing around between low paying jobs since then, wondering how the 
hell to get my career started again without going back to school for 
four years to get a computer science degree, when I discovered FreeBSD. 
That was last spring.

I now know exactly what I want to do, which is to get that computer 
science degree and then some, specializing in systems administration, 
and to go into teaching at the college level. First, I know this is a 
hard road, especially at the age of 34, but I am tired of not *really* 
knowing my stuff, so to speak. I've been a techie my whole life and 
even made some money at it, but I've gotten by without having the deep 
knowledge required to really understand the workings of an *nix OS such 
as FreeBSD, which I very much want to do, and plus it's time to get 
serious. I've also found that the systems administration/network end of 
the spectrum is what suits me best, but I don't care about getting paid 
big money as much as wanting to teach others (and, concurrently, also 
have the time and resources to devote to projects such as FreeBSD). 
It's not a particularly glorious career choice, and if I were a bit 
different I might want to really go for the corporate path and a fat 
s

RE: IP address conflicts

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bart
> Silverstrim
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 12:37 PM
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: IP address conflicts
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 2, 2004, at 2:27 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > The problem is that if the attacker has a modicum of intelligence they
> > will have done this to someone elses' system.
> 
> Yet you say this is taking place in colleges... :-)
> 

ROTFL

> > This is a college.  For example, someone in a dorm room just surfing 
> > the web
> > gets up to take a piss.  As soon as they walk out the door and go down 
> > the
> > hall, some joker down the hall runs into their room and in a few 
> > seconds
> > changes the IP number of their PC to that of the mailserver then runs 
> > out.
> > Bullshit like this happens all the time.
> 
> Funny how just yesterday there was some slash story about users not 
> being careful with security.  My systems this wouldn't be effective.  
> Screen saver is hot cornered and password protected.  In the school 
> office, control-alt-del->k.  When I was in college, there was this 
> thing where your "friends" would steal your mattress...mattress police. 
>   They would hide it somewhere on campus.  Never happened to my roommate 
> and I, because we carried our keys with us and locked the bedroom when 
> we weren't there (or in the living room connected to the hallway); no 
> reason to leave the door open if we weren't there, and our "community  
> belongings" were already outside of that room for the other roommates 
> and friends to use.
> 

Yup.  This is self-defense in any college setting, there's too many
juveniles around.

> We try to have a policy where I work where if your account is used to 
> do something against the rules, like browse porn, you must have given 
> that person your account password or you left your account logged in 
> and walked away.  There's no way to prove who the body was sitting at 
> that console, so it is assumed to be you.  You get in trouble for it.

We try to have a policy where I work of what you call common courtesy.
That is, the stuff on someone's desk is their property and if you have
to touch it, you don't damage it.

Every once in a while we run across someone who don't understand this,
they get away with this for a while but sooner or later we reach out and
fire them.  Apparently, they all go to work at your place.
  
> You allowed it, you were irresponsible, and you're going to get hassled 
> for it until you learn to take responsibility for your belongings 
> (including your identity) within reason.  It is not unreasonable to 
> expect people to not give their passwords out and to log off of a 
> console when they're done using it.
> 

I think the double negatives there are a bit too much for most people.

It is unreasonable to expect people to have to act like they are in
kindergarden when they are in the middle of a network room that has a
sum total of 20 people who can access it, all of whom are paid more than
50K a year.

Naturally, if your working with a system in an insecure area, you 
follow secure procedures.  For example if your at a customer site
you assume that their machine is infected with a key logger, and
don't touch anything at the mothership that isn't password-aged
regularly.  Same goes if your traveling and using something like
an Internet kiosk.

But people should not have to be looking over their shoulders 
where they live, eat, sleep.  This is a college, not a kindergarden.

Your logic is of the variety of "well, the security scanners at the
airports didn't do what they were supposed to be doing, so we
deserved to have the WTC collapsed".  In other words, it only appears
on the surface to be reasonable, and that is because the problems
don't involve people dying.  But it is fatally flawed.  If the
world really operated like you seem to think, it would be anarchy.

> Your reactions are your policies and your rules; if they work for you, 
> that's all and good.  If students continue to play stupid and allow 
> things like this to happen to their computers, then so be it.  Or you 
> can nail them a couple times and have them wise up for it.

Much, much better to nail up the actual criminals not the victims.

> 
> > The only solution is to use managed switches with a modicum of 
> > intelligence
> > to where you can build a MAC filter that disallows packets that 
> > originate
> > from
> > the end users that have the same MAC as the mailserver, (to block 
> > spoofers)
> > and that allows you to dump the internal MAC table.
> 
> This is a good infrastructure to the network change and it would also 
> solve the problem.  I thought he was having money troubles and needed a 
> quick solution to try solving the problem, while this solution would be 
> done in the future once funds are released and time can be allocated to 
> switch things over.  It sounded like his network was somew

RE: When Unix Stops Being Fun

[steveb99]

I think what you are going through is something people go through no
matter what their career path is. I would say when you reach that
point is when you have to decide is this something I want to do for
the next n years.  

The first part of my life I was a musician and did all sorts of gigs
from recording, touring, casuals.  After many years I hit the same
point you are at now.  Music just became a job it wasn't fun anymore
and that is when I got into computers.  I hit the same point with
computers after about four or five years and went back to music.
After I year I was missing computer work and returned to IT work. I
have been there ever since. That is about ten years now.

I would say your doing the right thing, talking through it. If you
like computers a lot maybe you just need to find a specialty to peak
your interest and make it exciting again. If you are not sure you want
to continue, well try something else out in the background and see if
it excites you. Take some night classes in what you would like to do
instead of being an SA.  See if after a few months of classes and
learning a new career if it still excites you. If it doesn't you
haven't lost your job in the computer industry.

Last some people a job is just a job, a way to pay the bills and make
money so they can enjoy life when not at work.  They become very good
at what they do, and they keep there skills up to keep being a
valuable employee.  They do work they enjoy, but they don't look for
work to excite them. They leave work and enjoy their family, friends,
and hobbies.  Maybe you fall into that category. Being an SA is just
an job you enjoy and you need to find new things to do when off work
that interest you.

Good Luck,
Steve B.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Dave Vollenweider
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:50 PM
> To: FreeBSD Questions
> Subject: When Unix Stops Being Fun
> 
> This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather 
> it's more of a request for moral support.  This may seem 
> disjointed, so bear with me.
> 
> I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've 
> been using Unix-like operating systems for almost two years.  
> I started with Red Hat Linux back when Red Hat was making and 
> selling their "consumer-grade" version of Red Hat Linux, then 
> switched to Debian before going to FreeBSD last March.  I now 
> also run NetBSD on one of my machines.
> 
> Through all this, I've developed a passion for this type of 
> OS, seeing the elegance, performance, and sheer power of 
> Unix.  This has affected me to the point of me changing my 
> career path.  Before I got into these OSs, I wanted to get 
> into radio.  Now I'd rather either be a system administrator 
> or run my own consulting business for entities that use these 
> types of OSs.  But herein lies the problem I've been having 
> lately: while searching around for what I'd need to know to 
> become a system administrator, I came across this page: 
> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/13/131727/462 and I'm 
> overwhelmed by the sheer amount of knowledge I'd have to 
> gain.  It took me almost two years to get to where I am 
> today, and it looks like I've barely scratched the surface of 
> what I'd need to know.  But now, I feel like instead of 
> learning things on my own for fun, I have to learn other 
> things I don't really have a need to learn for myself or that 
> I want to, just so that I can apply that to oth  er peoples' 
> situations.  The result is that lately learning these OSs has 
> become more of a chore than a fun hobby, and I'm still 
> intimidated by what I need to learn to get to where I want to 
> go.  It almost seems like it's not worth it.
> 
> Now, being that I know there are some very experienced people 
> on this list, I'm betting that I'm not the only one that has 
> experienced this, that learning new things in Unix-like OSs 
> becomes more of a chore than something to do for fun.  My 
> question is, what advice would you have for dealing with this?
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RE: When Unix Stops Being Fun

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave
> Vollenweider
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:50 PM
> To: FreeBSD Questions
> Subject: When Unix Stops Being Fun
> 
> 
> This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather it's 
> more of a request for moral support.  This may seem disjointed, 
> so bear with me.
> 
> I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've been 
> using Unix-like operating systems for almost two years.  I 
> started with Red Hat Linux back when Red Hat was making and 
> selling their "consumer-grade" version of Red Hat Linux, then 
> switched to Debian before going to FreeBSD last March.  I now 
> also run NetBSD on one of my machines.
> 
> Through all this, I've developed a passion for this type of OS, 
> seeing the elegance, performance, and sheer power of Unix.  This 
> has affected me to the point of me changing my career path.  
> Before I got into these OSs, I wanted to get into radio.  Now I'd 
> rather either be a system administrator or run my own consulting 
> business for entities that use these types of OSs.  But herein 
> lies the problem I've been having lately: while searching around 
> for what I'd need to know to become a system administrator, I 
> came across this page: 
> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/13/131727/462 

A fair overview of things to learn.  I would say though that by
the time you learned all these 'prerequisites' you would have no
need for the course of study.

Now, keep in mind this - this ISN'T a list of things that you need
to MEMORIZE.  Knowing how to do things is different than memorizing
a sequence of key clicks or mouse clicks to make something happen.

Many people are out there that could memorize exactly how to do
everything on this list - but because they don't really know
how to do them, if I came along and made one little change in
a script or a program, they would be screwed.

By contrast someone who knows how to do all these things can walk
in and sit down at a version of UNIX that they have never touched,
never heard of, never seen, and within 3-4 hours not only be able
to do all these things, they could write instructions for the
people that need to memorize how to do them.

As an analogy - there's lots of people that know how to pull into
a service station and add air to their car tires.  But out of all
those people that have learned how to do this only a tenth of them
know that tire pressure rises when the tire gets warmer, and of
those people, only another tenth WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS WOULD BE
THE CASE IF THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT because they actually understand 
what gas pressure is.  And if one of the people in that group had
never added air in his life to a tire, and you told him to go do it,
he would not only be able to go do it, he would be able to add 
exactly the correct amount of air needed for the tire.

> and I'm 
> overwhelmed by the sheer amount of knowledge I'd have to gain.  
> It took me almost two years to get to where I am today, and it 
> looks like I've barely scratched the surface of what I'd need to 
> know.

I've been working with FreeBSD since version 1 and 386BSD before
that.  Over 10 years now.  I even wrote a book on FreeBSD that
was published in 2000 titled The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's
Guide.  (it's out of print now but you can still buy it off
Amazon)  I'm still scratching the surface.

You need to understand 2 things.  First, the UNIX field is so
vast that no one person can learn everything there is to know
about it, EVER.

Second, the amount of NEW information in the UNIX field that is
being created every year cannot possibly be absorbed by one
person in a year, even if all they did was learn new things.

This is how all of the really serious jobs/fields operate, it's
no different with a doctor, auto mechanic, lawyer, etc.  This
is why if your good in these fields you get paid the big bucks.

> But now, I feel like instead of learning things on my own 
> for fun, I have to learn other things I don't really have a need 
> to learn for myself or that I want to, just so that I can apply 
> that to oth
>  er peoples' situations. 

Well, yes.  That's why they call it "work"  Nobody is going to
pay you money to work on your own stuff.  They only pay you
to work on THEIR stuff.  If 50% of the time their stuff is in
the same universe as your stuff, your doing a damn sight better
than most people.

> The result is that lately learning 
> these OSs has become more of a chore than a fun hobby, and I'm 
> still intimidated by what I need to learn to get to where I want 
> to go.

Your never going to get where you want to go - not if your any good
at it, that is.  Take it from me.  I've
done everything that you say you want to do.  By the time that you
get to where I am, your not going to be satisfied being a mere
systems administrator or consultant, not if your worth spit.  I
certainly wasn't.

In other words, life is a series of go

Re: pf for FreeBSD

[Eric Kjeldergaard]

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:45:07 -0500, Jay Moore
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 September 2004 07:33 am, shane mullins wrote:
> 
> << reformatted to correct top-posting >>
> 
> > > - Original Message -
> > >hello folks,
> > >i want to install the packet filter for FreeBSD so i recompile the
> > > kernel with the options :
> 
> > Why not just run OpenBSD if you want to use pf?  I use both Free and
> > OpenBSD.  But, pf is much easier to set up on OpenBSD.  Just install
> > OpenBSD, enable routing, enable pf in rc.conf and you are done.
> >
> > Shane
> 
> Why not...? One reason might be that he is not a masochist.
> 
> Jay
> 
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I hate to say this because I bear no hostility towards openBSD, but
there are many reasons to opt for freebsd.  I know I did when I just
built a firewall.  My reason was multiprocessor support.  While
FreeBSD on SMP is gorgeous and intricate, under oBSD, it is
non-existant until next version.  Further, I am more used to FreeBSD
and adminning OS's that you are less used to is generally a bad idea
when setting up machines.  The hardware support for FreeBSD is also
decidedly more vast than that of oBSD and the performance of fBSD
generally faster.


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Re: A packages question.

[Eric Kjeldergaard]

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:58:03 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well actually its looking better and better. What's the worst that can happen? I
> have done 'pkg_delete -a' now several times because removing one of the packages
> for XFree86 4.3 and replacing it with the newer version removes xterm. While twm
> is not my window manager of choice, it is better than the console.
> 
> pkg_add -f -r package-name does not force the installation of 2nd level
> dependencies. So installing kde 3.<{anything -gt 1}> means finding all the
> dependencies such as imake, expat, ..., qt, ... and installing or forcing them
> before going after kdelib and then kdebase which must be done in this order
> (maybe not if all the lower level dependencies are met).
> 
> I am going to try this just just for grins even though I suspect this will fail
> and I will drop back for 4.10 because of one or more of the following
> possibilities:
> 
>1) Xorg and XFree 86 have (inadvertently?) dropped support for the video
>   card used by my laptop. Due to its age, I suspect this is not a
>   pressing problem. To report the problem I need to reinstall one or
>   both to provide the information that either fails without an error.
> 
>2) Some where in the maturation of 5.x, the C++ compiler changes have
>   probably introduced changes in the BPI (if not the API) that may make it
>   impossible to run X-based packages without moving forward. This is
>   the supposition I think I am testing by trying to use kde 3.4 which
>   has been built with Xorg.
> 
>3) Buy a new PC is the wrong answer.
> 
>4) building KDE and every other X application on a 400MHz laptop is the wrong
>   answer.
> 
> All of that was background so I could say this. Perhaps it is time to introduce
> branches into the packages tree. The alternative (IMO) is to require that only
> packages that were on the CD set when you burned or purchased it can be
> installed. Like #3 above I believe this to be the wrong answer because its
> greatly limits the population that will use FreeBSD as a workstation.
> 
> After re-reading this, please do not consider this a rant. I love FreeBSD and
> will solve my problem one way or the other, help now in the form of ideas would
> be nice, but worst case, evenutally I will buy a newer PC.
> 
> The idea here was to to float the idea of a branch in the package tree.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > thanks - I will try it this way
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote:
> >
> > > While this idea may seem good on the surface, it's really a very bad idea
> > > (and I speak from experience) to hand-modify your package database.  What
> > > you /should/ do instead is force the addition of the packages.  `pkg_add -f
> > > `
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Neither XFree86 4.4 nor Xorg supports the video on my laptop while XFree86
> > > > 4.3 works.
> > > >
> > > > I want to set up the package database to say XFree 4.4 is installed to see
> > > > if I can install the latest packages. Does anyone know that this will not
> > > > work? Also if I could get some pointer on how to modify the package db or
> > > > where this may be documented
> > > >
> >
> 
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You're right that the freebsd package system should (in my opinion as
well as yours) probably be updated to handle versions better.  It's
very interesting that xorg and xfree would have dropped support for
your video card.  Perhaps they just changed support?  Besides the
point, though.

pkgdb is the tool for /manually/ editing the package database that
resides in /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db If you look at update and force, you
should be able to figure out the exact command.


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When Unix Stops Being Fun

[Dave Vollenweider]

This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather it's more of a request for 
moral support.  This may seem disjointed, so bear with me.

I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've been using Unix-like 
operating systems for almost two years.  I started with Red Hat Linux back when Red 
Hat was making and selling their "consumer-grade" version of Red Hat Linux, then 
switched to Debian before going to FreeBSD last March.  I now also run NetBSD on one 
of my machines.

Through all this, I've developed a passion for this type of OS, seeing the elegance, 
performance, and sheer power of Unix.  This has affected me to the point of me 
changing my career path.  Before I got into these OSs, I wanted to get into radio.  
Now I'd rather either be a system administrator or run my own consulting business for 
entities that use these types of OSs.  But herein lies the problem I've been having 
lately: while searching around for what I'd need to know to become a system 
administrator, I came across this page: 
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/13/131727/462 and I'm overwhelmed by the sheer 
amount of knowledge I'd have to gain.  It took me almost two years to get to where I 
am today, and it looks like I've barely scratched the surface of what I'd need to 
know.  But now, I feel like instead of learning things on my own for fun, I have to 
learn other things I don't really have a need to learn for myself or that I want to, 
just so that I can apply that to oth
 er peoples' situations.  The result is that lately learning these OSs has become more 
of a chore than a fun hobby, and I'm still intimidated by what I need to learn to get 
to where I want to go.  It almost seems like it's not worth it.

Now, being that I know there are some very experienced people on this list, I'm 
betting that I'm not the only one that has experienced this, that learning new things 
in Unix-like OSs becomes more of a chore than something to do for fun.  My question 
is, what advice would you have for dealing with this?
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Re: ask for information

[epilogue]

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:33:23 +0100
Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 11:57:12AM -0700, Elwaleed Khafagy wrote:
> 
> > i can not tell you how happy we am to use free BSD
> > but i need some information .
> > I am from egypt and our language is arabic , so our
> > company really need to know how to make free BSD
> > support for arabic .
> > we have informix database on our server and sometimes
> > we need to use arabic .
> > would you please tell me if there is a way to make
> > free BSD support arabic
 
you 'may' find the following site to be of 'some' assistance:

http://www.arabeyes.org/

http://www.arabeyes.org/project.php?proj=FreeBSD-ports&PHPSESSID=25139c47d0473d132bf4461c4e42e6d1


hope that this helps,
epi


> As far as I can tell, there is no support for an Arabic language
> locale in the base system.  However many ports exist with Arabic
> support -- eg. OpenOffice.  There is an arabic category in the ports
> -- mostly containing a number of Arabic fonts.
> 
> I wasn't aware that Informix databases were available or supported
> under FreeBSD -- perhaps this is a Linux version of Informix being run
> under emulation?  Anyhow, I'd expect that IBM as the vendors of
> Informix software would be good people to ask about localization
> support.  I can state for certain that the two biggest free RDBMS
> available -- MySQL and PostgeSQL -- both provide excellent support for
> many different languages.
> 
> Certainly, there is no problem with such things as hosting (or
> viewing) Arabic language web sites under FreeBSD -- all of the web
> application programming languages do support Arabic in principle,
> although examples and localized documentation may be hard to come by.
> 
> FreeBSD depends entirely on people donating their time and expertise
> for all of its code development, web sites and documentation.  As far
> as I can see there is no ongoing project to translate FreeBSD
> documentation and other material into Arabic, or to provide an Arabic
> locale in the base system.  However, anyone stepping forward and
> volunteering to produce such things would be welcomed with open arms.
> 
>   Cheers,
> 
>   Matthew
> 
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Re: password files

[Anthony Philipp]

Alright thanks,
Anthony

On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 03:02:50AM +0200, Emanuel Strobl wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 3. Oktober 2004 01:27 schrieb Anthony Philipp:
> > Hello,
> > Which password files do I need to copy over so that the users will still
> 
> /etc/master.passwd and /etc/group, then do 'pwd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd'.
> 
> -Harry
> 
> > all be there, and and the passwords will all be the same. Thanks for the
> > help Anthony Philipp
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Re: password files

[Emanuel Strobl]

Am Sonntag, 3. Oktober 2004 01:27 schrieb Anthony Philipp:
> Hello,
> Which password files do I need to copy over so that the users will still

/etc/master.passwd and /etc/group, then do 'pwd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd'.

-Harry

> all be there, and and the passwords will all be the same. Thanks for the
> help Anthony Philipp
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Re: apache - how to redirect page not found

[Emanuel Strobl]

Am Sonntag, 3. Oktober 2004 01:10 schrieb David Banning:
> I notice on some web sites when you try to load a page that does not
> exist, it directs the users browser to another page. How do I set
> that up in apache?

Three different methods:

-Use .htaccess, I dont have a syntax example handy.

-Use the redirect directive in httpd.conf. Example:

RedirectMatch permanent /dir1/*(.*)$ http://www.yoursite.com/dir2

-Use html refresh. Create the page which should get redirected with the 
following content:


http://www.yoursite.com/newlink";>




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Re: "shutdown -p now" reboots my computer

[Alex de Kruijff]

On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 08:39:12AM -0400, Rae wrote:
> I'm using 5.2.1-Release
> "shutdown -p now" command worked well couple of days ago.

This also happens to me when I set my computer to wake up at any given
time. If i don't do this then it happens from time to time.

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Re: freebsd samba bug report

[Alex de Kruijff]

On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 05:51:30PM -0600, Feng Wang wrote:
> Dear Freebsd development team:
> I found the samba server on freebsd corrupts my file under the following 
> conditions:
> Put a large text file, in my case a fortran 77 source code, in unix format.
> Open it using any text editor under windowxp. I tried ultraedit and compaq 
> visual fortran ide.
> The file will be corrupted. I tried several large files on two different 
> drives. It is reproducible.
> My samba server does not currupt the file if it is in dos format.
> It also does not corrupt my other binary files.
> 
> I am using freebsd 4.10 release.

Hi,

It doesn't seem that this bug is in any way related to FreeBSD. Samba is
a thirth party software. You need to report this bug to the samba
development team instead. www.samba.org i think.

Secondly, if this bug was related to FreeBSD then you would still be in
the wrong place. Bugs can be either submitted by the sendbug tool on you
FreeBSD box or via the website www.freebsd.org.

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Re: Kernel Compile slow on 5.x series?

[Kris Kennaway]

On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 03:27:02AM +0530, Subhro wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:45:31 +0200, Simon Barner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Markie wrote:
> > > Has anyone else noticed that the 5.x series kernel compile times take much
> > > longer than that of the 4.x series? My friends 233MHz machine running 4.x
> > > finished a kernel compile before my 500MHz machine running 5.x a while
> > > back. It seems to take forever? Is there a reason for this, or is it just
> > > me seeing this problem?
> 
> The reason why it takes longer to compile a 5.* kernel is the
> difference in the architecture. The 5.* kernels handle the hardware
> differently than the 4.* kernels.

No, the previous poster was correct.  It's mostly just gcc 3 being
slower to compile code than gcc 2.

> > FreeBSD 5 uses GCC 3.x as system compiler, whereas 4 is based on GCC
> > 2.y.
> 
> Negative, the gcc 3.* compiler is used only in FreeBSD versions onwards 5.3. 

No, gcc 3.x was imported into FreeBSD 5.x a few years ago (you could
check cvsweb if you want the exact date).

Kris


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freebsd samba bug report

[Feng Wang]

Dear Freebsd development team:
I found the samba server on freebsd corrupts my file under the following 
conditions:
Put a large text file, in my case a fortran 77 source code, in unix format.
Open it using any text editor under windowxp. I tried ultraedit and compaq 
visual fortran ide.
The file will be corrupted. I tried several large files on two different 
drives. It is reproducible.
My samba server does not currupt the file if it is in dos format.
It also does not corrupt my other binary files.

I am using freebsd 4.10 release.
Seymour

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Re: gnome 2.8 mime associations

[Anton Alin-Adrian]

Anton Alin-Adrian wrote:
Ok, here is a snapshot. Expected result is how it is showed on the gnome 
website, and the real-result is how it is showed on my desktop.

I got this by right-clicking a .PDF file, then selecting properties.
Looks to me that my "Open With" tab is missing.
Ok, I got things working. By mistake, my mistake, parts of the gnome 
packages were still from 2.6.x version.. including Nautilus.. this caused 
everything related to mime problems..

Thanks to Marcus again for his contribution to our wealth.
Best Wishes,
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password files

[Anthony Philipp]

Hello,
Which password files do I need to copy over so that the users will still all be there, 
and and the passwords will all be the same. Thanks for the help
Anthony Philipp
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apache - how to redirect page not found

[David Banning]

I notice on some web sites when you try to load a page that does not
exist, it directs the users browser to another page. How do I set
that up in apache?


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Re: Starting apache at boot with SSL.

[Remko Lodder]

Eric Crist wrote:
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Hello all,
I must be missing something.  I have apache starting correctly during 
boot, but without SSL.  I have to log in and type apachectl startssl to 
get it to work correctly.  What did I miss?
Hi Eric,
Since you are not very verbose on your information, i guess that you
use apache2, did you specify apache2ssl_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf ?
That should enable SSL based webservices during startup.
Cheers!
- -
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Secure Computing Networks

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Re: Starting apache at boot with SSL.

[Remko Lodder]

Eric Crist wrote:
Remko,
My bad.  I'm using apache 1:
Ah, that's a bit of a different story,
Do you use the next generation startup script?
If so then it would have had the following options
available to you:
apache_enable="YES" (which you have)
apache_flags="-DSSL" (which you do not yet have).
This should work according to
/usr/ports/www/apache13-modssl/files/rcng.sh
Cheers!
grog# /usr/local/sbin/httpd -v
Server version: Apache/1.3.31 (Unix)
Server built:   Jul 13 2004 17:51:03
I have apache_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf.  I would assume I use 
apachessl_enable="YES"?  Thanks.

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vinum

[Robert Dormer]

Hello all,

I'm setting up a mirrored volume with vinum, using the following config file:

drive a device /dev/ad0
drive b device /dev/ad3
volume storage

plex org concat
sd length 78167m drive a

plex org concat
sd length 78167m drive b


but when I run the config, I get this:

vinum -> create raidconfig
   1: drive a device /dev/ad0
** 1 Can't initialize drive a: Operation not supported by device
   2: drive b device /dev/ad3
** 2 Can't initialize drive b: Operation not supported by device

And thus far, a search on the problem has been much less than
illuminating.  Is this a common problem?  How do I fix it?  I've made
sure that the disks in question have been labeled using disklabel -e
as vinum volumes.   What else?

-Rob
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Re: gnome 2.8 mime associations

[Anton Alin-Adrian]

Ok, here is a snapshot. Expected result is how it is showed on the gnome 
website, and the real-result is how it is showed on my desktop.

I got this by right-clicking a .PDF file, then selecting properties.
Looks to me that my "Open With" tab is missing.


PS: the files might get filtered by mailman.

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Re: JBoss ports in use - tomcat

[Jonathan Chen]

On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 08:40:49PM +0800, Peter Ryan wrote:
> I am running 4.10R and have installed JBoss3.2.5.
> I also installed Tomcat5
> 
> When i boot the machine and try to startup JBoss it
> reports ports in use.  I have to run the shutdown script
> first, and then the startup script works fine.
> 
> I notice when I boot up that three packages appear
> to start under 'local package initialisation'. These
> are Tomcat4, Tomcat5, and JBoss3starting.
> 
> I did not install Tomcat4 - i think this might have come
> from the JBoss installation.

JBoss-3.2.5 comes with Tomcat-5. If you have manually installed
Tomcat-5 and or Tomcat-4, I suggest that you deinstall those ports.
It would seem that your configuration for Tomcat4/5 are using
listener ports that are conflicting with the JBoss-3.2.5's Tomcat setup.

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Re: "$Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004/08/19 23:15:05 grog Exp $" ?

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Saturday,  2 October 2004 at  2:04:37 -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote:

Please don't answer these questions on -newbies.  -questions is the
correct mailing list.  I answered there and blind copied this list,
but it seems that blind copying is no longer allowed, so I suppose
nobody saw it.

> robg wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I see this at the end of a lot of documents:
>>
>> $Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004/08/19 23:15:05 grog Exp $
>>
>> or something similar.  How is that done?  Is it done from a text
>> editor that just appends it by itself? How would I go about doign it?
>
> It's the check-in tag that is automaticly appended to a document when it
> is checked into a version management system.
>
> Check out subversion (SVN) if you want to get into version
> management,

Check out Subversion if you want to get into a really complicated way
of version control.  It requires significant setup, and it's based on
a number of other packages.

> also FreeBSD has it's own built-in version management system called
> RCS.

RCS isn't FreeBSD specific.  It's universal, and it also doesn't need
any setup (beyond optionally creating a directory RCS).

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Re: Starting apache at boot with SSL.

[Eric Crist]

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Eric Crist wrote:
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Hello all,
I must be missing something.  I have apache starting correctly during 
boot, but without SSL.  I have to log in and type apachectl startssl 
to get it to work correctly.  What did I miss?
Hi Eric,
Since you are not very verbose on your information, i guess that you
use apache2, did you specify apache2ssl_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf ?
That should enable SSL based webservices during startup.
Cheers!
Remko,
My bad.  I'm using apache 1:
grog# /usr/local/sbin/httpd -v
Server version: Apache/1.3.31 (Unix)
Server built:   Jul 13 2004 17:51:03
I have apache_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf.  I would assume I use 
apachessl_enable="YES"?  Thanks.
- -
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Re: Kernel Compile slow on 5.x series?

[Subhro]

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:45:31 +0200, Simon Barner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Markie wrote:
> > Has anyone else noticed that the 5.x series kernel compile times take much
> > longer than that of the 4.x series? My friends 233MHz machine running 4.x
> > finished a kernel compile before my 500MHz machine running 5.x a while
> > back. It seems to take forever? Is there a reason for this, or is it just
> > me seeing this problem?

The reason why it takes longer to compile a 5.* kernel is the
difference in the architecture. The 5.* kernels handle the hardware
differently than the 4.* kernels.

> 
> FreeBSD 5 uses GCC 3.x as system compiler, whereas 4 is based on GCC
> 2.y.

Negative, the gcc 3.* compiler is used only in FreeBSD versions onwards 5.3. 

Regards
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Re: Disk quotas

[Richard Lynch]

John Oxley wrote:
> has gallery setup on his webpage and the albums directory is chmod
> 707'd so that httpd can write to it.

Does that user realize that everybody else on the server can use PHP to
write web content to that directory?...

Perhaps if a defacement example were demonstrated, he'd move those files
out of his web directory, and add in some PHP scripts to read/write the
image files with validation-checking, such as using
http://php.net/getimagesize to make sure the image file *IS* an image
file.

> The problem is that httpd creates files as http:group and quota is not
> picking up that he is using more disk space than we want him to.

One possibility, if you are running Apache 2.0, is to set each PHP user on
a directory by directory basis in httpd.conf

Or so I've been told.

Never done it yet.

It cannot (readily) be done in Apache 1.x

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Re: VoIP World Leaders

[Gary Kline]

On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 03:38:02PM -0500, Jay Moore wrote:
> On Monday 27 September 2004 05:44 am, Spidey Knepscheld wrote:
> > Hi Guys
> >
> >
> > Can anyone perhaps inform me on the world leader in VoIP Solutions.We
> > were granted a license to supply VoIP in South Africa and we would like
> > to get in contact with the big guys in this field.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> >
> > Spidey
> 
> This might be the lamest question ever asked on any mailing list or usenet 
> group in the history of the Internet... where's that Guinness Records book?
> 

Naah, I cam easily come up with something lamer: like:
"Why do we even need computers besides those of 
Microsoft's multi-billion-dollar expertise?"

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Re: Starting apache at boot with SSL.

[Gerard Samuel]

Eric Crist wrote:
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I must be missing something.  I have apache starting correctly during 
boot, but without SSL.  I have to log in and type apachectl startssl to 
get it to work correctly.  What did I miss?


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20040605:
  AFFECTS: users of www/apache2
  AUTHOR: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  The apache2 port must now be enabled / disabled and configured in
  rc.conf.  See the pkg-message or script for details.
Im not sure about apache13
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Re: VMWare 2 works on FreeBSD 4.10-Stable (SOLVED!)

[bsdfsse]

I have mostly everything working now: special thanks to George Hartzell, 
Christian Hiris, Phusion, and Orlando Bassotto.

I will write up my experience after I digest it a little more.
A few of the gotchas were that I originally did not install "bridging" 
when I installed vmware, and when I did, I was binding it to the wrong 
NIC (I was binding it to Christian's NIC, lol).

For some reason I *had* to select "Custom" as the VM's ethernet type, 
and use the value of "/dev/vmnet1" when I did. "Bridged" and "HostOnly" 
did not work.

Also the VM's gateway setting had to be that of my Linksys router, and 
not the "Host IP" of my FreeBSD machine.

I ended up running VMWare 2.0 on FreeBSD 4.10-Stable.  I will make 
another attempt at VMWare 3.2 and also using FBSD 5.x when I have more 
time (in about 2 months).

I am ecstatic, I get to run FreeBSD now! Woo Hoo!!
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Starting apache at boot with SSL.

[Eric Crist]

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I must be missing something.  I have apache starting correctly during 
boot, but without SSL.  I have to log in and type apachectl startssl to 
get it to work correctly.  What did I miss?

- -
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks
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Re: pf for FreeBSD

[Jay Moore]

On Tuesday 28 September 2004 07:33 am, shane mullins wrote:

<< reformatted to correct top-posting >>

> > - Original Message -
> >hello folks,
> >i want to install the packet filter for FreeBSD so i recompile the
> > kernel with the options :

> Why not just run OpenBSD if you want to use pf?  I use both Free and
> OpenBSD.  But, pf is much easier to set up on OpenBSD.  Just install
> OpenBSD, enable routing, enable pf in rc.conf and you are done.
>
> Shane

Why not...? One reason might be that he is not a masochist.

Jay
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Re: VoIP World Leaders

[Jay Moore]

On Monday 27 September 2004 05:44 am, Spidey Knepscheld wrote:
> Hi Guys
>
>
> Can anyone perhaps inform me on the world leader in VoIP Solutions.We
> were granted a license to supply VoIP in South Africa and we would like
> to get in contact with the big guys in this field.
>
> Thank you
>
>
> Spidey

This might be the lamest question ever asked on any mailing list or usenet 
group in the history of the Internet... where's that Guinness Records book?

Jay
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Re: IP address conflicts

[Bart Silverstrim]

On Oct 2, 2004, at 2:27 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
The problem is that if the attacker has a modicum of intelligence they
will have done this to someone elses' system.
Yet you say this is taking place in colleges... :-)
This is a college.  For example, someone in a dorm room just surfing 
the web
gets up to take a piss.  As soon as they walk out the door and go down 
the
hall, some joker down the hall runs into their room and in a few 
seconds
changes the IP number of their PC to that of the mailserver then runs 
out.
Bullshit like this happens all the time.
Funny how just yesterday there was some slash story about users not 
being careful with security.  My systems this wouldn't be effective.  
Screen saver is hot cornered and password protected.  In the school 
office, control-alt-del->k.  When I was in college, there was this 
thing where your "friends" would steal your mattress...mattress police. 
 They would hide it somewhere on campus.  Never happened to my roommate 
and I, because we carried our keys with us and locked the bedroom when 
we weren't there (or in the living room connected to the hallway); no 
reason to leave the door open if we weren't there, and our "community  
belongings" were already outside of that room for the other roommates 
and friends to use.

We try to have a policy where I work where if your account is used to 
do something against the rules, like browse porn, you must have given 
that person your account password or you left your account logged in 
and walked away.  There's no way to prove who the body was sitting at 
that console, so it is assumed to be you.  You get in trouble for it.  
You allowed it, you were irresponsible, and you're going to get hassled 
for it until you learn to take responsibility for your belongings 
(including your identity) within reason.  It is not unreasonable to 
expect people to not give their passwords out and to log off of a 
console when they're done using it.

Your reactions are your policies and your rules; if they work for you, 
that's all and good.  If students continue to play stupid and allow 
things like this to happen to their computers, then so be it.  Or you 
can nail them a couple times and have them wise up for it.  "Honest! I 
didn't put kiddie porn on that computer...my...my roommate did it!  Or 
a computer virus did it!"  "OH!!! Nevermind then..."

The only solution is to use managed switches with a modicum of 
intelligence
to where you can build a MAC filter that disallows packets that 
originate
from
the end users that have the same MAC as the mailserver, (to block 
spoofers)
and that allows you to dump the internal MAC table.
This is a good infrastructure to the network change and it would also 
solve the problem.  I thought he was having money troubles and needed a 
quick solution to try solving the problem, while this solution would be 
done in the future once funds are released and time can be allocated to 
switch things over.  It sounded like his network was somewhat in 
shambles at the moment.

That way when someone pulls their fun your going to see their MAC in 
your
routers, and you can then look at the switches and see exactly what 
port is
being used.
Any way to have it send a 50,000 volt spike through that port?
-Bart
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RCS tutorial (was: Re: "$Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004...)

[Tom Huppi]

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:

> [redirected to FreeBSD-questions; this is a technical issue]

 

> You can also check out older versions and compare things; somewhere
> there must be a tutorial.

 

I've found Dave Plonka's tutorial to be most usefull.  It's all
over the place.  A quick search pulls it up here for instance:

 http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1184/sam9812a/

I'm one of those guys who is paranoid about forgetting how I did
something or what I did to a machine, so I try to use RCS
religiously for sys-admin details.  Note from Plonka's document
that it is a one-liner to see every file that has ever been
tweaked over the life of the machine (assuming one used RCS for
it.)

There are some down-sides and hassles, but I think it's worth
using RCS in many situations, and developing a basic understanding
of how RCS works helps get around these issues.  RCS is a
relatively simple and understandable system.

Thanks,

 - Tom
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Re: Is there a way to clean up the ports database without a lot of manual intervention?

[kent]

On Saturday 02 October 2004 11:49 am, Doug Lee wrote:
> I have reason to believe I've made some mistakes trying to run pkgdb
> -F to clean up a couple ports trees on different FreeBSD systems I
> run.  I confess I've never fully understood how to answer some of the
> prompts during that process.  Also though, my ports tree was formed
> before portupgrade/portinstall were available, so I have some ports
> that were installed via a simple "make install," some by
> portinstall/portupgrade, some I installed first with "make install"
> and then tried to upgrade with portupgrade, etc.

I like the information provided by portsearch. You can find it 
in /usr/ports/Tools/scripts. I created an alias called search, which is 
equated to 'portsearch -n $1'. It is handy when you are told to run "pkgdb 
-F" because you can see what the index thinks the port should be linked to 
and not the strange link you are provided with as a choice at times. I only 
see the strange choice when the port it needs is not installed. The easy way 
out for me is to install the missing port manually.

>
> Is there a process I can run that will make the database consistent
> again so I can install/upgrade ports without error?  I don't care if
> it takes two days to run. :-)  I also know I may be asking the
> impossible here, but I figure it doesn't hurt to try.

I think that "pkgdb -fu" is going to be the only automated recovery.

Kent

>
> Please email responses directly to me so they don't get lost in
> traffic.

-- 
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Richland, WA

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Re: A packages question.

[doug]

Well actually its looking better and better. What's the worst that can happen? I
have done 'pkg_delete -a' now several times because removing one of the packages
for XFree86 4.3 and replacing it with the newer version removes xterm. While twm
is not my window manager of choice, it is better than the console.

pkg_add -f -r package-name does not force the installation of 2nd level
dependencies. So installing kde 3.<{anything -gt 1}> means finding all the
dependencies such as imake, expat, ..., qt, ... and installing or forcing them
before going after kdelib and then kdebase which must be done in this order
(maybe not if all the lower level dependencies are met).

I am going to try this just just for grins even though I suspect this will fail
and I will drop back for 4.10 because of one or more of the following
possibilities:

   1) Xorg and XFree 86 have (inadvertently?) dropped support for the video
  card used by my laptop. Due to its age, I suspect this is not a
  pressing problem. To report the problem I need to reinstall one or
  both to provide the information that either fails without an error.

   2) Some where in the maturation of 5.x, the C++ compiler changes have
  probably introduced changes in the BPI (if not the API) that may make it
  impossible to run X-based packages without moving forward. This is
  the supposition I think I am testing by trying to use kde 3.4 which
  has been built with Xorg.

   3) Buy a new PC is the wrong answer.

   4) building KDE and every other X application on a 400MHz laptop is the wrong
  answer.

All of that was background so I could say this. Perhaps it is time to introduce
branches into the packages tree. The alternative (IMO) is to require that only
packages that were on the CD set when you burned or purchased it can be
installed. Like #3 above I believe this to be the wrong answer because its
greatly limits the population that will use FreeBSD as a workstation.

After re-reading this, please do not consider this a rant. I love FreeBSD and
will solve my problem one way or the other, help now in the form of ideas would
be nice, but worst case, evenutally I will buy a newer PC.

The idea here was to to float the idea of a branch in the package tree.


On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> thanks - I will try it this way
>
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote:
>
> > While this idea may seem good on the surface, it's really a very bad idea
> > (and I speak from experience) to hand-modify your package database.  What
> > you /should/ do instead is force the addition of the packages.  `pkg_add -f
> > `
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Neither XFree86 4.4 nor Xorg supports the video on my laptop while XFree86
> > > 4.3 works.
> > >
> > > I want to set up the package database to say XFree 4.4 is installed to see
> > > if I can install the latest packages. Does anyone know that this will not
> > > work? Also if I could get some pointer on how to modify the package db or
> > > where this may be documented
> > >
>


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Is there a way to clean up the ports database without a lot of manual intervention?

[Doug Lee]

I have reason to believe I've made some mistakes trying to run pkgdb
-F to clean up a couple ports trees on different FreeBSD systems I
run.  I confess I've never fully understood how to answer some of the
prompts during that process.  Also though, my ports tree was formed
before portupgrade/portinstall were available, so I have some ports
that were installed via a simple "make install," some by
portinstall/portupgrade, some I installed first with "make install"
and then tried to upgrade with portupgrade, etc.

Is there a process I can run that will make the database consistent
again so I can install/upgrade ports without error?  I don't care if
it takes two days to run. :-)  I also know I may be asking the
impossible here, but I figure it doesn't hurt to try.

Please email responses directly to me so they don't get lost in
traffic.


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Bartimaeus Group   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.bartsite.com
"If you refuse to be made straight when you are green,
you will not be made straight when you are dry." {African}
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VMWare 2 works on FreeBSD 4.10-Stable (except for NIC)

[bsdfsse]

I have everything working except for the networking (which is proving to 
be very difficult).

I followed Phusion's guide for VMWare 2 and FreeBSD 4.10 located here:
http://www.packetwatch.net/documents/guides/freebsd/vmware2.php
Previously I had tried 4.10, but I think at that time I was erroneously 
entering "vmnet1" in to the NIC config, instead of "/dev/vmnet1".  I was 
also getting ATA errors on that particular machine's 200GB drives, which 
is prolly a completely different problem.

My Win 2000 Pro virtual machine can ping itself, but not the host 
machine, or any of my other LAN machines.  Christian emailed me some 
instructions that differ from Phusion's regarding the configuration of 
the /usr/local/etc/vmware/config file.  Christian has these 2 lines 
while Phusion does not (and I tried it both ways):

  vmnet1.Bridged = "YES"
  vmnet1.BridgedInterface = "x10"
Phusion does mention the "x10" in his instructions for the /etc/rc.firewall.
My IP setting are:
 Linksys Router: 192.168.0.1
 FreeBSD 4.10-Stable PC
  Static IP:  192.168.0.24
  DNS Server: 167.206.1.103
  Gateway:192.168.0.1
  SubnetMask: 255.255.255.0
 VMWare /usr/local/etc/vmware/config:
  vmnet1.HostOnlyAddress = "192.168.0.10"
  vmnet1.HostOnlyNetMask = "255.255.255.0"
  (also from Christian's doc)
  vmnet1.Bridged = "YES"
  vmnet1.BridgedInterface = "x10"
 Win2000 Pro Virtual PC
  Static IP: 192.168.0.11
  Gateway:   192.168.0.10
  SubnetMask: 255.255.255.0
I made the changes to my kernel, /etc/rc.conf, /etc/rc.firewall, and 
/etc/fstab that Phusion indicated.

Any ideas why my Virtual Machine cannot ping either the "HostOnly" IP or 
the FreeBSD's machine normal IP?  It also cannot ping my Linksys router, 
or any of my other machines.

Inside the VM I have the NIC defined as "Custom" and "/dev/vmnet1".  The 
 HostOnly and Bridged options did not work, as they seemed to be 
leaving off the "/dev/" in front of vmnet0 and vmnet1 (as I did too!).

Aside from no networking, Win 2000 Pro seems to be running pretty well 
inside VMWare 2.0.

thx!
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RE: IP address conflicts

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bart
> Silverstrim
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:03 AM
> To: Tim Aslat
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: IP address conflicts
>
>
>
> On Sep 27, 2004, at 12:49 AM, Tim Aslat wrote:
>
> > In the immortal words of "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
> >> Once again, I must assume that these notebooks legitimately owned by
> >> students and staff are NOT owned by the people that are changing the
> >> IP numbers.
> >
> > I actually think it's more than 1 culprit, and I couldn't be 100%
> > certain whether they are using their own notebooks or school machines
> > until I catch them in the act.
>
> Do what spammers do...set up all the school machines to act as zombies
> and when you detect the asshats pulling their little trick, flood them
> with connection requests to poof them off the network :-)
>
> >> If you have a situation where you KNOW who is doing it, and they are
> >> getting away with this, with the full knowledge of the Dean and others
> >> in the college,
> >> then you may as well just start looking for another job.  If I was in
> >> your shoes
> >> I would.
> >
> > Nobody is actually getting away with it, it's just frustrating not
> > knowing who.
>
> Doesn't arpwatch look for the mac changes on the network, which could
> help you track down the MAC which is pulling the address when it
> shouldn't?  I see messages from arpwatch from some of our servers when
> DHCP leases change.  Will at least help you narrow down the
> suspects...If you get a MAC address, you can run a detailed NMap
> against them to try identifying platform information as well as get the
> make/model of their network card from the MAC.
>
> That MAC, unless they're spoofing it, will give you evidence to use
> against them.
>
> There's also Nessus you can use on the system once you narrow it
> down...see what if any vulnerabilities there may be.  Not that *I*
> advocate doing something like this.  I'd *never* advocate breaking into
> another machine just because it was causing problems on your network.
>
> Once you have their MAC, you could also watch and see what address that
> MAC is magically changed to when the "attack" stops...then redirect
> their traffic using some ARP redirection (etherpeek? dsniff?) to
> redirect their requests through a local BSD machine acting as a gateway
> (forwarding packets).  Sniff the traffic for awhile until a username
> comes through when looking for POP mail or some other text-based
> requests, then you know who it is (or at least who's at that machine).
> It's your school's network, and usually there's policies in place
> saying that a user does not have guaranteed privacy to information
> going over school or university networks (or business networks, for
> that matter), especially if the hardware is school owned (and you don't
> really have a way of telling this with this attack, unless you have a
> list of MACs owned by the school and know for a fact that the user
> isn't spoofing the MAC).
>
> Just some ideas I'd consider.
>


The problem is that if the attacker has a modicum of intelligence they
will have done this to someone elses' system.

This is a college.  For example, someone in a dorm room just surfing the web
gets up to take a piss.  As soon as they walk out the door and go down the
hall, some joker down the hall runs into their room and in a few seconds
changes the IP number of their PC to that of the mailserver then runs out.
Bullshit like this happens all the time.

The only solution is to use managed switches with a modicum of intelligence
to where you can build a MAC filter that disallows packets that originate
from
the end users that have the same MAC as the mailserver, (to block spoofers)
and that allows you to dump the internal MAC table.

That way when someone pulls their fun your going to see their MAC in your
routers, and you can then look at the switches and see exactly what port is
being used.

Ted

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[OT] gmail invites

[Doctor Who]

I have a few gmail invites.  If you'd like one, email me *off-list*.
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Re: video memory on intel extreme graphics?

[yuri van Overmeeren]

Jason wrote:
thanks for the info..
my bios only has settings for 1Mb and 8M. Ive got it set to 8Mb now..
so If in my xorg.conf, I haveVideoRam32768
does this influence what the video card will use? I have that in my 
config now.. can I tell how much memory my video card is using?
 

Yes, if you set it to  1 Mb you probably can not go above 640x480 24bit 
colour in X, I think 1024x768 max but only at 8 bit colour, so 8 Mb is 
better.
As far as I know it's best to leave the VideoRam setting in xorg.conf 
commented out, In most cases the driver detects the memory X can use. 
The setting influences how much memory X uses for video modes, setting 
it too high can cause problems.

-yuri
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Re: video memory on intel extreme graphics?

[yuri van Overmeeren]

yuri van Overmeeren wrote:
Jason wrote:
can someone explain this to me please
from dmesg
agp0: detected 8060k stolen memory
agp0: aperture size is 128M
so is my i810 video using 8meg or 128 meg or what?
 

Hi,
The 128 Mb aperture is the maximum amount of system memory the AGP can 
use as graphics memory, it's using 8Mb currently (but it can use 128 
Mb max). you can usually adjust aperture size in your bios.
ehm no, that's not quite correct...it's using a maximum of 128 Mb of 
system memory as graphics memory as said before, AND 8 Mb of stolen 
memory (I think..., used as framebuffer?, to do all vga/vesa modes?)

To be honest I read about the intel graphics and how they work...but can 
quite remember it (brain probably did not use enough stolen memory)

-yuri
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Re: How do you duplicate a drive?

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> 
> I have a RAID mirror (2x 160GB) which I would like to back up onto a spare 
> 160GB drive.
> 
> I do not have a hot-swap caddy so I was planning on powering down the 
> system to get the backup drive in and out.
> 
> But once I have the new blank drive in, what is the best way to duplicate 
> the RAID? Ideally I would like to create a disk that could boot the system 
> (and rebuild the RAID) in case disaster strikes.
> 
> Can dd do this?
> 
> I am new to Unix disk operations... Many thanks in advance for the help.

I am just a bit unsure of what you are asking.   Do you mean to try
and duplicate the raid mirror set on the single 160GB spare disk?  

Or do you mean that you just want to make a backup copy of the files
on the raid mirror set to the spare drive?

I don't think you can do the first.   But the second would be
easily accomplished using dump(8) (and restore(8) if you wish).

Depending on whether you want to access the files in place while they 
are on the spare disk or you want to just have a convenient backup
of the raid mirrot set in case something happened you would either:

 - dump the file system[s] on the raid mirror set to [a] file[s] on
   the spare disk.   
   example:  if you had a file systems named /usr and /home on the mirror
 dump 0af /spare/usr.dump /usr
 dump 0af /spare/home.dump /home
   would give you an easily accessible dump files of /usr and /home
   You would have to  'restore -if'  any files that you want to use
   from the dump files.  But if the mirror crashed, it would be easy
   to (first repair or replace it) and then do a standard restore of
   the whole dump files in to the rebuilt mirror file systems.
or

 - pipe the dump[s] of file system[s] on the raid mirror to restore[s]
   on the spare disk.   You need to premake at least directories on the
   spare to receive the dumps.  Better to make file systems on the spare
   for each file system on the mirror set.  In case you ever need to do
   a complete restore of the mirror set then you can just do a reverse
   of this  dump | restore
   So, assuming you have done the slicing, partitioning and newfsing of
   the needed size file systems on the spare disk and mounted them
   as something like   /spareusr and /sparehome  then:
 cd /spareusr
 dump 0af - /usr | restore -rf -
 cd /sparehome
 dump 0af - /home | restore -rf -
   would duplicate the file systems and make the files all usable in place.
   To rebuild the mirror set if it crashed and after you repaired it
   and rebuilt the filesystems and mounted them in their original places
   you would have to reverse the dump-restore as is
 cd /usr
 dump 0af - /spareusr | restore rf -
   Or you could just remount the spares as /usr and /home and use them
   just like that without reviving the raid.


Anyway, using dd to copy the device would not work I don't think because 
it would try a byte for byte copy and the spare disk is definitely not
an identical device to the raid mirror set.

Hope that is all clear.

jerry 
 
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Re: video memory on intel extreme graphics?

[yuri van Overmeeren]

Jason wrote:
can someone explain this to me please
from dmesg
agp0: detected 8060k stolen memory
agp0: aperture size is 128M
so is my i810 video using 8meg or 128 meg or what?
 

Hi,
The 128 Mb aperture is the maximum amount of system memory the AGP can 
use as graphics memory, it's using 8Mb currently (but it can use 128 Mb 
max). you can usually adjust aperture size in your bios.

-yuri
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Re: Boot floppies for FreeBSD 4,8

[W. D.]

At 10:14 10/2/2004, nigel henry, wrote:
>Having multiple linux installs on my machines, I've had to use boot floppies 
>to boot some of em. I'm not too good at configuring GRUB or LiLo to chainload 
>to other bootloaders at the moment, so, is it possible when installing 
>FreeBSD to make a boot floppy. I hav'nt installed it yet, just reading the 
>docs, and trying to find a spare harddrive to put it on. Any help would be 
>very gratefully received. Nigel.

Hi Nigel,

Here are some helpful links:
http://tinyurl.com/4paps
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-pre.html
http://www.Google.com/search?q=boot+floppy+freebsd.org
http://www.US-Webmasters.com/FreeBSD/Install/



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RE: Are there step-by-step VMWare instructions? (giving up)

[JohnsoBS]

> -Original Message-
> From: bsdfsse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:54 PM
> To: Christian Hiris
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Are there step-by-step VMWare instructions? (giving up)
> 
> 
> 
>  > Oct  2 06:28:24 matrix010 kernel: ad0: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA 
> retrying (2 
> retries left) LBA=171871667
>  > Oct  2 06:28:24 matrix010 kernel: ad0: WARNING - READ_DMA no 
> interrupt but good status
> 
> 
> Those are the same errors I am getting!
> 
> It's somewhat of a relief to see other people getting the 
> same error, at 
> least now we know it isn't me doing something silly.
> 
> thx!

I've been getting this for a while now to. I only have it with my 160GB and
greater disk. I have researched and it seems to be a problem with 48bit
addressing above 137GB. Its an older board without bios support to read it
properly. I only have the problem on the higher LBA addresses to. I have had
it FAR FAR less since beta4 though.
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Boot floppies for FreeBSD 4,8

[nigel henry]

Having multiple linux installs on my machines, I've had to use boot floppies 
to boot some of em. I'm not too good at configuring GRUB or LiLo to chainload 
to other bootloaders at the moment, so, is it possible when installing 
FreeBSD to make a boot floppy. I hav'nt installed it yet, just reading the 
docs, and trying to find a spare harddrive to put it on. Any help would be 
very gratefully received. Nigel.

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Re: Are there step-by-step VMWare instructions? (giving up)

[bsdfsse]

> Oct  2 06:28:24 matrix010 kernel: ad0: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (2 
retries left) LBA=171871667
> Oct  2 06:28:24 matrix010 kernel: ad0: WARNING - READ_DMA no 
interrupt but good status

Those are the same errors I am getting!
It's somewhat of a relief to see other people getting the same error, at 
least now we know it isn't me doing something silly.

thx!
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Re: Are there step-by-step VMWare instructions? (giving up)

[Christian Hiris]

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On Saturday 02 October 2004 05:09, bsdfsse wrote:
[...]
> The only time I got it to run was with a 5.2-Release installation with
> networking disabled (following Christian's docs).  Every other
> configuration resulted in losing access to the hard-drive as soon as I
> hit the VM's "Power On" button.

Curiously I tried to install VMware on an other, faster machine.
The slow machine was a P3-850MHz 440BX chipset and a SiI 0680 with 2 gvinum 
mirrored hdds in UDMA133 mode - worked w/o problems.

I moved the data over to the faster XP2800+ KT600 chipset with VIA 8237 
controller w/ 2 gvinum mirrored hdds (ad0/ad1) in UDMA133 mode and a Promise 
PDC20269 with 2 hdds (ad4/ad6) in UDMA133 mode. 

I observed similar symptoms: read and write DMA timeouts on the faster 
machine. After the guest OS had started I got lots of timeouts until the 
system is hard locked. All VMware data on ad6. / and /usr on the ad0/ad1 
mirror. I will try to find out more on this and pr results when I have some 
more sparetime. 
 
/var/log/messages output:

Oct  2 06:28:24 matrix010 kernel: ad0: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (2 retries 
left) LBA=171871667
Oct  2 06:28:24 matrix010 kernel: ad0: WARNING - READ_DMA no interrupt but 
good status
Oct  2 06:28:30 matrix010 kernel: ad1: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (2 retries 
left) LBA=171872247
Oct  2 06:28:30 matrix010 kernel: ad1: WARNING - READ_DMA no interrupt but 
good status
Oct  2 06:28:35 matrix010 kernel: ad0: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA retrying (2 retries 
left) LBA=170673789
Oct  2 06:28:35 matrix010 kernel: ad0: WARNING - WRITE_DMA no interrupt but 
good status
Oct  2 06:28:40 matrix010 kernel: ad0: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA retrying (2 retries 
left) LBA=170674433
[...]

Cheers,
ch

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Re: ask for information

[Remko Lodder]

Elwaleed Khafagy wrote:
dear sir;
i can not tell you how happy we am to use free BSD
but i need some information .
I am from egypt and our language is arabic , so our
company really need to know how to make free BSD
support for arabic .
we have informix database on our server and sometimes
we need to use arabic .
would you please tell me if there is a way to make
free BSD support arabic
thank you 

Hi Elwaleed,
You can have a look at
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/l10n.html
for more information, this goes about localizing FreeBSD etc, so i 
figure that that would be the best place.

Hope this helps and good luck ;)
Cheers!
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Re: Disk quotas

[Matthew Seaman]

On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 11:29:00AM +0200, John Oxley wrote:
 
> The Question:
> 
> Can quota be told that all files in ~luser belong to luser as well as
> all files owned by luser.

The simplest way to do that is to give each user their own individual
group, and then simply use the *group* quotas rather than the
individual per-user quotas.

This works very well where the user is having files created on their
behalf by other UIDs (eg. httpd in this case) because of the standard
BSD behaviour that files default to inheriting the same group
ownership as the directory they are created in.  With some exceptions
for files created by root, or where the sticky bit is set on the
directory.

Cheers,

Matthew

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video memory on intel extreme graphics?

[Jason]

can someone explain this to me please

from dmesg
agp0: detected 8060k stolen memory
agp0: aperture size is 128M

so is my i810 video using 8meg or 128 meg or what?

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Re: ask for information

[Simon Barner]

Elwaleed Khafagy wrote:
> dear sir;
> i can not tell you how happy we am to use free BSD
> but i need some information .
> I am from egypt and our language is arabic , so our
> company really need to know how to make free BSD
> support for arabic .
> we have informix database on our server and sometimes
> we need to use arabic .
> would you please tell me if there is a way to make
> free BSD support arabic

This is probably not what you are looking for right now, but it might be
interesting anyways: AFAIK the GNOME desktop enviroment has support the
arabic language, which means that text is displayed properly form right
to left, and there's some sort of advanced text input technique, and
according to http://www.gnome.org/start/2.8/notes/rni18.html, most of
GNOME's base is also translated.

I don't know about other desktop environments, e.g. KDE, but I guess
that making similar efforts are under way.

Regards,
 Simon


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Re: Kernel Compile slow on 5.x series?

[Markie]

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From: "Simon Barner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Markie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Kernel Compile slow on 5.x series?

Markie wrote:
>> Has anyone else noticed that the 5.x series kernel compile times take
much
>> longer than that of the 4.x series? My friends 233MHz machine running
4.x
>> finished a kernel compile before my 500MHz machine running 5.x a while
>> back. It seems to take forever? Is there a reason for this, or is it
just
>> me seeing this problem?
>
>FreeBSD 5 uses GCC 3.x as system compiler, whereas 4 is based on GCC
>2.y.
>
>Due to enhenced code optimization, support for modern language features
>and other things the _compilation_ times increased considerably in the
newk
>version of the compiler (the resulting code is often much faster).
>
>Fortunately, things are getting better with the most recent compilers from
>the GCC 3.x series.
>
>Simon
>

Oh right, that's fair enough then :-) Thanks very much!

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Re: Kernel Compile slow on 5.x series?

[Simon Barner]

Markie wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed that the 5.x series kernel compile times take much
> longer than that of the 4.x series? My friends 233MHz machine running 4.x
> finished a kernel compile before my 500MHz machine running 5.x a while
> back. It seems to take forever? Is there a reason for this, or is it just
> me seeing this problem?

FreeBSD 5 uses GCC 3.x as system compiler, whereas 4 is based on GCC
2.y.  

Due to enhenced code optimization, support for modern language features
and other things the _compilation_ times increased considerably in the newk
version of the compiler (the resulting code is often much faster).

Fortunately, things are getting better with the most recent compilers from
the GCC 3.x series.

Simon


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Re: problem installing firefox

[Lowell Gilbert]

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> I'm having trouble installing firefox on freebsd-4.10. When i try to install it it 
> gives me this error: 
> 
> /usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot find -lXcursor
> gmake[2]: *** [libgtkxtbin.so] Error 1
> gmake[2]: Leaving Directory '/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla
> /widget/src/gtkxtbin'
> gmake[1]: *** [tier_9] Error 2
> gmake[1]: Leaving Directory`/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla'
> gmake: *** [default] Error 2
> *** Error code 2
> 
> any help would be appreciated.

Had you done a build before this? 
It looks like the problem is in the build part, not the install.

Are your ports up-to-date?  
There have been some major changes in the port since the release of
FreeBSD 4.10.
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Re: gnome 2.8 mime associations

[Anton Alin-Adrian]

Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 20:59, Anton Alin-Adrian wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I just installed gnome 2.8 from the marcuscom.com tinderbox, and
>>everything is great and neat, except mimes are completely broken.
>
>
> Define, "completely broken."
>
>
Hi Marcus, I appologise for putting the problem in fast words. I really 
appreciate the fact that I can install gnome 2.8 because of your work, 
instead of waiting the ports freeze.

Maybe I did something wrong here. Nautilus is unable to open any sort of 
files, because "there is no application associated with this file type". 
This include text files, pictures, and even directories. It can't open 
simple directories, it gives the same error.

I run FreeBSD 4.10 as desktop.
For example, when I click the homedir icon on my desktop, it sais "There is 
no action associated with "bu".", and bu is my username.

The same window provides a button for "Associate Application", but clicking 
on it makes the window vanish, and nothing happens (because the applet 
which is called when this button is pushed, is not found. I found it in the 
gnome 2.6 port source, as a tool in sysutils/gnome-control-center, but 
nowhere else in the filesystem.)

Here's a sample error:
(nautilus:332): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols 
specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.

(nautilus:332): Eel-WARNING **: Error starting command 
'gnome-file-types-properties 'x-directory/normal' 'Pseudo'': Failed to 
execute child process "gnome-file-types-properties" (No such file or directory)

(nautilus:332): Bonobo-WARNING **: Leaked a total of 1 refs to 1 bonobo 
object(s)

Thanks for your hard work, Marcus, and again, I appologise if I managed to 
offend you.

If I shall make snapshots, I believe it is not proper to submit them on the 
list, so please let me know, and thanks for your time again.

Yours,
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skype and audio distortion (aka: donald duck imitation)

[edwinculp]

I've installed skype and am able to call with no problem.  The recieving end hears me 
as if I were there but when they respond it sounds like a bad imitation of Donald 
Duck.  I've tried using the connection test service of skype, echo123 with the same 
results, both the skype voice and my recorded and played back voice sound like Donald 
Duck.  I've tried it on different machines with different sound chipsets and it seems 
to be accross the board.

Has anyone experienced this?  Were you able to fix it?  Is it working as expected for 
anyone without distortion?  

Any suggestions appreciated.

TIA,

ed

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Re: ask for information

[Matthew Seaman]

On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 11:57:12AM -0700, Elwaleed Khafagy wrote:

> i can not tell you how happy we am to use free BSD
> but i need some information .
> I am from egypt and our language is arabic , so our
> company really need to know how to make free BSD
> support for arabic .
> we have informix database on our server and sometimes
> we need to use arabic .
> would you please tell me if there is a way to make
> free BSD support arabic

As far as I can tell, there is no support for an Arabic language
locale in the base system.  However many ports exist with Arabic
support -- eg. OpenOffice.  There is an arabic category in the ports
-- mostly containing a number of Arabic fonts.

I wasn't aware that Informix databases were available or supported
under FreeBSD -- perhaps this is a Linux version of Informix being run
under emulation?  Anyhow, I'd expect that IBM as the vendors of
Informix software would be good people to ask about localization
support.  I can state for certain that the two biggest free RDBMS
available -- MySQL and PostgeSQL -- both provide excellent support for
many different languages.

Certainly, there is no problem with such things as hosting (or
viewing) Arabic language web sites under FreeBSD -- all of the web
application programming languages do support Arabic in principle,
although examples and localized documentation may be hard to come by.

FreeBSD depends entirely on people donating their time and expertise
for all of its code development, web sites and documentation.  As far
as I can see there is no ongoing project to translate FreeBSD
documentation and other material into Arabic, or to provide an Arabic
locale in the base system.  However, anyone stepping forward and
volunteering to produce such things would be welcomed with open arms.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Kernel Compile slow on 5.x series?

[Markie]

Has anyone else noticed that the 5.x series kernel compile times take much
longer than that of the 4.x series? My friends 233MHz machine running 4.x
finished a kernel compile before my 500MHz machine running 5.x a while
back. It seems to take forever? Is there a reason for this, or is it just
me seeing this problem?

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Problem with LG 8525B CD Writer.

[Livhu Tshisikule]

Hi

I am trying to burn some iso images using burncd
Dmesg : acd0: CDRW  at ata1-master PIO4

burncd -f  /dev/acd0 data image.iso fixate

Everything works fine but when I try to do mount_cd9660  /dev/acd0 /mnt I am 
getting the following error 
mount_cd9660: /dev/acd0: Input/output error

I am trying to make a bootable CD

Regards 
Livhu Tshisikule

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ask for information

[Elwaleed Khafagy]

dear sir;
i can not tell you how happy we am to use free BSD
but i need some information .
I am from egypt and our language is arabic , so our
company really need to know how to make free BSD
support for arabic .
we have informix database on our server and sometimes
we need to use arabic .
would you please tell me if there is a way to make
free BSD support arabic
thank you 



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Re: Backup/Restore

[Brian McCann]

We actually came up with another solution, for those of you who
care...we are going to rewrite part of the mail handler so that it
writes to multiple file systems on multiple servers and to a log
indicating if it failed on any of them.  When one comes up, a client
will check the log to see what it missed.

Thanks again everyone!
--Brian


On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:35:06 +0100 (BST), Jan Grant
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Brian McCann wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:59:05 -0700 (PDT), Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian McCann wrote:
> > > >  Hi all...I'm having a conceptual problem I can't get around and
> > > > was hoping someone can change my focus here.  I've been backing up
> > > > roughly 6-8 million small files (roughly 2-4k each) using dump, but
> > > > restores take forever due to the huge number of files and directories.
> > > >  Luckily, I haven't had to restore for an emergency yet...but if I
> > > > need to, I'm kinda stuck.  I've looked at distributed file systems
> > > > like CODA, but the number of files I have to deal with will make it
> > > > choke.  Can anyone offer any suggestions?  I've pondered running
> > > > rsync, but am very worried about how long that will take...
> > >
> > > Do the files change a lot, or is it more like a few files added/changed
> > > every day, and the bulk don't change?
> > >
> > > If it's the latter, you could maybe get best performance from something
> > > like Subversion (a CVS derivative).
> > >
> > > Though I suspect rsync would also do well in that case.
> > >
> > > If a ton of those files are changing all the time, try doing a test on
> > > creating a tarball and then backing up the tarball.  That may be a simple
> > > managable solution.  There are probably other more complex solutions of
> > > which I am ignorant :-)
> >
> > I have the case where a new file is created about every second or two,
> > nothing gets changed, but files get deleted occasionally (it's a mail
> > server).  I thought of using tar, but it would be just as slow as dump
> > I would think.  I've thought of breaking it up into chunks, but that
> > still doesn't solve my speed issue...i'm beginning to consider using
> > dd since it reads the actual disk bits, and just hope that a)I don't
> > ever need one file and b) the system I restore to has at least or more
> > space then the original server.  Any other thoughts anyone?
> 
> You might want to experiment with something like rsync to maintain a
> "live" (ie, on a FS) second copy. If you do this don't be put off by the
> initial rsync time (which may well take ages - tar or dump/restore may
> be faster to get the second copy in place initially). Rsync over such a
> large filesystem may take quite a while but the best bet is to actually
> try it to see if it meets your needs.
> 
> Obviously a restore of a mail repository is a pretty awful thing to have
> to do. Amongst other things, users can find the "ressurrection" of
> deleted mails to be a real pain. You might want to see if your mail repo
> can generate some kind of replay log - if so, this might be the best
> route for minimising the amount of time needed to synchronise mailstores
> and to get the closest fidelity out of the copy.
> 
> Breaking your mailstore into separate chunks may well help. Yes, the
> total time for a dump/restore may be close to your current state of
> play, but if you can split the partitions between machines then you have
> the option to perform these in parallel.
> 
> --
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JBoss ports in use - tomcat

[Peter Ryan]

I am running 4.10R and have installed JBoss3.2.5.
I also installed Tomcat5

When i boot the machine and try to startup JBoss it
reports ports in use.  I have to run the shutdown script
first, and then the startup script works fine.

I notice when I boot up that three packages appear
to start under 'local package initialisation'. These
are Tomcat4, Tomcat5, and JBoss3starting.

I did not install Tomcat4 - i think this might have come
from the JBoss installation.

I have found a directory called rc.d which seems to
hold the scripts which run these initialisations.

I think my solution to the JBoss problem is to prevent
these scripts running, but I dont know how to do this.

Has anyone else had this problem with JBoss ?
(it does not seem have been reported)

How do I get rid of these initialisation scripts in an
orderly manner ?

I am very new to all this.
Any suggestions gratefully received.

Thanks
Peter


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"shutdown -p now" reboots my computer

[Rae]

I'm using 5.2.1-Release
"shutdown -p now" command worked well couple of days ago.
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Problem while installing GLIB-2.4.0 FOR GTK2.0 on freeBSD5.2.1

[Ndolo Patrick]

Hello,
 
I need to install glib-2.4.0 prior to installing gtk2.0
 
I am using source package glib-2.4.0.tar.gz
 
I have libiconv installed with prefix /usr/local
 
According to consulted documentation, the sequence of commands to compile and install 
is
 
./configure --with-libiconv=/usr/local
make
make install
 
The ./configure exits with error message iconv or libiconv not found. I have also 
tried ./configure without prefix but did not achieve any results.
 
Can anyone help?
 
Papy
 


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Re: rc.firewall (was no subject)

[Richard Collyer]

Hello,

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html

Cheers
Richard

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:01:44 +0400 (MSD)
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> 
> How can i add the computer in rc.firewall?
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[no subject]

[dextermetall]

How can i add the computer in rc.firewall?
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Disk quotas

[John Oxley]

The Scenario:

I am running a multiuser FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE box for ~500 users.  We
have enforced disk quotas on /home and /tmp of 250MB soft and 256MB
hard

The Problem:

One user has inadvertently snaked around this. (btw I like users who
tell you when they have found a problem that works in their favour) 
We're running Apache 1 with mod_php, mod_ssl etc etc etc.  This user
has gallery setup on his webpage and the albums directory is chmod
707'd so that httpd can write to it.

The problem is that httpd creates files as http:group and quota is not
picking up that he is using more disk space than we want him to.

The Question:

Can quota be told that all files in ~luser belong to luser as well as
all files owned by luser.

If not, where would the appropriate place for hacking be, the kernel
or usr.bin/*quota*

-Ox
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Re: dictd, UTF-8, & FreeBSD 4.10

[Sandy Rutherford]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 you wrote:

 >> Has anybody been able to get dictd working with UTF-8 dictionaries in
 >> FreeBSD 4.10?  When I start "dictd --locale de_DE.UTF-8" it
 >> seg. faults.  I do have the UTF-8 locales installed and the dictionary
 >> should be fine as it works for dictd running on a Linux machine.

 >> I'm using dictd-1.9.11 installed from the ports.

 >> Thanks,
 >> Sandy


 > Try to use dictd-1.9.14.
 > A few FreeBSD related bugs have been fixed since 1.9.11 release.

Tried this and now "dictd --locale de_DE.UTF-8" returns "UTF-8
disabled in this version".  With some checking I found that UTF-8 is
disabled because FreeBSD-4.10 doesn't have the iswalnum, iswspace, and
towlower functions.  These appear to exist in FreeBSD 5.  Does anybody
know if FreeBSD 4.10 can be patched to have these functions, or is
upgrading to 5 the only option?

Thanks,
Sandy
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Re: about ports reinstall

[E.Girkantas]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 23:07:45 -0500
"Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Lila wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > The php4 ports that I installed did not work with mysql,
> > it seems like it never able to configure to work with mysql.
> > No mysql info can be found with phpinfo().
> >
> > I tried to reinstall php4 many times but no luck for me.
> > I want to ask is there a way to completely remove the
> > installed ports and related deps so that I can do a very
> > clean install of php4 and maybe with apache and mysql.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Regards,

cd /usr/ports/database/php4-mysql
make install

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Re: "$Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004/08/19 23:15:05 grog Exp $" ?

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

[redirected to FreeBSD-questions; this is a technical issue]

On Saturday,  2 October 2004 at  0:10:40 -0400, robg wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I see this at the end of a lot of documents:
>
> $Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004/08/19 23:15:05 grog Exp $
>
> or something similar.  How is that done?  Is it done from a text
> editor that just appends it by itself?

This comes from RCS or CVS.  I'll talk about RCS below, because it's
easier.

> How would I go about doign it?

Start with a file with just $Id$ in it.  This file is obviously called
index.html (in fact, to judge by the date and revision ID, it's the
current version of my home page,
http://www.lemis.com/grog/index.html).  Then check it in with the ci
command:

  $ ci -u index.html
  index.html,v  <--  index.html
  enter description, terminated with single '.' or end of file:
  NOTE: This is NOT the log message!
  >> Home page
  >> ^D
  initial revision: 1.1
  done

If you now look at the file, the $Id$ will have changed to (in this
case) $Id: index.html,v 1.1 2004/10/02 05:29:27 grog Exp $.

When you then want to update the file, you first need to check it out
(the version you have is write-protected).  Do this with:

  $ co -l index.html

Make your changes; when you're done, check in again with ci:

  $ ci -u index.html
  index.html,v  <--  index.html
  new revision: 1.2; previous revision: 1.1
  enter log message, terminated with single '.' or end of file:
  >> Added text
  >> ^D
  done

The text after >> gets put into the revision log.  You can look at it
with rlog:

  $ rlog index.html
  RCS file: index.html,v
  Working file: index.html
  head: 1.2
  branch:
  locks: strict
  access list:
  symbolic names:
  keyword substitution: kv
  total revisions: 2; selected revisions: 2
  description:
  Home page
  
  revision 1.2
  date: 2004/10/02 05:33:39;  author: grog;  state: Exp;  lines: +2 -1
  Added text
  
  revision 1.1
  date: 2004/10/02 05:29:27;  author: grog;  state: Exp;
  Initial revision
  
  =

You can also check out older versions and compare things; somewhere
there must be a tutorial.  One thing you should note is that for any
file index.html, the "control file" (that contains all the revisions
and the logs and things) is called index.html,v.  By default it gets
put in the same directory as the file you're tracking, but if you have
a subdirectory RCS (which I recommend), it'll get put there instead.

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Re: Are there step-by-step VMWare instructions? (giving up)

[Joshua Tinnin]

On Saturday 02 October 2004 12:18 am, bsdfsse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Just saw this.. There is a new kid on the block called. Serenity
> > Virtual Station, very similar to VMWare, but they have just
> > released a version specifically for FreeBSD.. This is beta
> > software, (not free), and although
>
> If they supporr FreeBSD, then I will support them.  I tried to
> purchase their stuff for $50, but Iam waiting for a confirmation
> email.  Tonigh I gad 11 beers while tryint to get VMWare to work on
> FreeBSD.  ANother option is highly welcomed.

Try 12 beers.

- jt

(sorry for the noise ... couldn't help it ;)
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Re: Are there step-by-step VMWare instructions? (giving up)

[bsdfsse]

Just saw this.. There is a new kid on the block called. Serenity Virtual
Station, very similar to VMWare, but they have just released a version
specifically for FreeBSD.. This is beta software, (not free), and although
If they supporr FreeBSD, then I will support them.  I tried to purchase 
their stuff for $50, but Iam waiting for a confirmation email.  Tonigh I 
gad 11 beers while tryint to get VMWare to work on FreeBSD.  ANother 
option is highly welcomed.

thx!
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